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driver100

Michaell said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.

Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

Sometimes those Nissan CVTs can be revived with a trans fluid flush and refill. That is assuming no broken parts internally I believe @Michaell has some experience with this. 

Yes, I have a friend who bought a new Nissan Versa sedan with the CVT, and put over 100k on it in 4 years. The transmission started acting up and they thought it would have to be replaced. The flush and refill of the transmission fluid did the trick and the cost was less than $1000.

I will let him know, but, there is a class action law suit to consider. Worth a try though.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

sda said:

I don't do much maintenance myself on our cars anymore. When I found out how easy it was to change the air filter, cabin filter on our cars I order the filters online and save a lot of $$. The air filter on the Pilot is a little more involved to change but not difficult. The Accord also has a stout strut bar, which surprised me.

I still tackle oil changes and minor maintenance like filters, brakes, etc.

Used to do my own oil changes. At least on relatively current vehicles, when using coupons, I just can’t justify it. $45 for a full synthetic and tire rotation plus inspections, I can’t really beat that by doing it on my own. Plus, I don’t have to carry the used oil in the trunk to take it to a designated disposal place.

I also haven’t owned a car long enough in recent years for me to have to pull the wheels for any reason. Maybe that’s about to change. Tune ups are little more than plug swaps these days. Already covered most filters......I will probably do my own fuel filter if/when needed.

That said, I do understand the benefit of doing routine maintenance yourself. It gives you a chance to give your car a good inspection.

When I was younger (and much poorer), I used to bust knuckles all the time. Now? Hardly at all. Not a lot an owner can do themselves, anymore.

driver100

Michaell said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.

Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

Sometimes those Nissan CVTs can be revived with a trans fluid flush and refill. That is assuming no broken parts internally I believe @Michaell has some experience with this. 

Yes, I have a friend who bought a new Nissan Versa sedan with the CVT, and put over 100k on it in 4 years. The transmission started acting up and they thought it would have to be replaced. The flush and refill of the transmission fluid did the trick and the cost was less than $1000

.

Confirmation...I will definitely pass the info on.

Then again, just thought, $1000 is a lot to try something that may or may not work. I will pass on and he can decide.

graphicguy

@iluvmysephia1 ....man, I can’t give you relationship advice, as I’m not anywhere near remotely qualified. But, telling your wife that your car is about to catch fire.....well.....I just don’t think that’s something I would recommend as a way to justify a new car. But, do as you wish.

Personally, I don’t care what car you like. If it’s a Sentra....go for it.

What’s wrong with working out a plan with your wife on your next car purchase? Why not discuss the time frame, when it makes sense to start looking, and the budget you can both agree to?

I dunno....wouldn’t that be the more sensical and easier path? Who knows? You may fall in love with something else with four wheels when/if that time rolls around.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

I filled up with PUG the other day at Costco at $3.09.9 a gallon.  All other gas within 3 miles of where I live was $3.39.9 or higher.  The manager was there and I asked him how they ensure their gasoline is TopTier.  He responded that the detergents and additives are mixed in with the gasoline from the Ft. Lauderdale terminal right there at the station.

He explained that they have contracts with gasoline distributors for fuel from various refineries   They add the detergents right at the station from the fuel tanker that is pre-measured to ensure the gasoline is TopTier.  I found that interesting.

As far as filling up at Costco, it is 2 miles from where I live.  I only buy gas on my way to or from areas where I pass by the station - I don’t drive there just to buy gas.  I have never had a problem with their gasoline in the 15 years I have been buying gas from them.  Saving $$5.00+ a tankful 4 times a month makes it worth having a Costco membership. I also by liquor there and most of my cheeses.

That's not how I understand it. Guys who used to transport gas for a living have told me that proprietary additives are mixed in at the refinery as adding them at the station could cause uneven incorporation. Each load is mixed according to the retailer's formula. I suppose tbeycoulddo it differently in your area.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.

Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

I think the design life of most domestic brands is 150k. Don't know about CVTs but I would assume it's the same. Like any other part I would think regular maintenance is necessary. That's always the big question with buying a used car, you don't know if the seller was OCD on maintenance or ignored it entirely. On cheapos like I usually buy lack of records is no biggie but on a $10k+ purchase I'd really want to see some.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

I like not having to get out of the car and get my hands dirty. especially in lousy weather. Occasionally it gets annoying when they are short attendants, but waiting a couple minutes is not worth having a stroke over.

I really don't enjoy having to get out to pump gas in sub zero weather when I am up in the Adirondacks over Christmas. Can lose a finger or two doing that.

LOL, Amsterdam isn't exactly the Adirondacks. You city folks are funny.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

That's not how I understand it. Guys who used to transport gas for a living have told me that proprietary additives are mixed in at the refinery as adding them at the station could cause uneven incorporation. Each load is mixed according to the retailer's formula. I suppose tbeycoulddo it differently in your area.

I concur about the additives AND ethyl alcohol having been added at the storage facility when the tanker trucks pick up the product from the huge storage tanks at the end of the pipelines. The alcohol and additives mix as the truck rocks and rolls its way to the local station. If the ethanol and additives aren't thoroughly mixed during transport, they are when they go through the drain hose and into the storage tank below ground, stirring the new in with the remaining product in the tank. Sort of like filling a bathtub from one end mixes all the soaps put in.

I got a copy of a delivery slip from the local UDF store's fuel delivery of the two grades, premium and regular. Both showed 10% alcohol added and the same additive package having been added. Both grades the same. So much for the premium having a better additive package! LOL The various companies get their fuel from the same tank farm and deliver it to the local stations under different names. Only difference will have to be in the additives, if there is any.

The national company that is related to the company operating the pipelines and holding tanks has a different driveway across a side road for their trucks with their known brand name on the side to go in and out. I've gone by that location lots of times going to car shows and to eat at a historic inn in the nearby city, Lebanon, OH.

oldfarmer50

iluvmysephia1 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

Time for an iluvmysephia1 2017 Nissan Sentra SR Turbo hunt update. Remember, driver100, the 2 Sentra's I am interested in are stick shift transmissions. Both Sentra's I'm still pursuing are Nissan 6-speeds, which are sound as a pound.

The 2017 Nissan Sentra NISMO 6-speed stick is selling for $17,995 in El Paso and it's price has not moved downward at all. This NISMO is Brilliant Silver.

The one I'm starting to focus closer on is a Super Black 2017 Nissan Sentra SR Turbo 6-speed stick. It's got 12,531 miles on it. It's price has now dropped $2,000 and it's currently selling for $14,981. It's price has now dropped to about $3,000 less than the silver '17 NISMO.

Some things I like about the black SR Turbo 6-speed are the fact that it has the Premium Package, which includes a sunroof, leather seats, steering wheel and gearshift, bigger entertainment screen, several safety nannies, heated seats, etc. The rear camera, lip spoiler with the third LED thin brake light, standard fog lights, etc., are nice extras. I think that I would love the Super Black and painted wheel combo a lot. I messaged the dealer and asked them if the Black Sentra SR Turbo has the balance of the Nissan factory Warranty and they said it does. So, as my wife continues to reject the idea, I further embrace it, but still need to pull the trigger on one of these cars.






Remember, a fine wine can not be consumed before it's time. 

Just be sure to line up an independent inspection of that fine wine before you swoop in and buy. The emotion of the moment, especially after waiting so long, can blind you to the vinegar in your wine.

stickguy

There are hills there farmer. And I can see the mountains. So close enough. And it gets dang cold up there anyway. My BIL lives on the side of a large hill, and always windy.

stickguy

After a while, my wife just tells me to go get whatever I want (as long as it doesn’t involve her car). She gets tired of hearing about it. Plus, she knows that I am too cheapReally cheapFrugal to do anything that will break us financially!

I also believe in the theory that it is better to ask forgiveness than permission. Or at least, more fun.

venture

stickguy said:

I like not having to get out of the car and get my hands dirty. especially in lousy weather. Occasionally it gets annoying when they are short attendants, but waiting a couple minutes is not worth having a stroke over.

I really don't enjoy having to get out to pump gas in sub zero weather when I am up in the Adirondacks over Christmas. Can lose a finger or two doing that.

How tall do they have to be so as not to annoy you?

stickguy

Tall enough to see them out the window

oldfarmer50

Michaell said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.

Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

Sometimes those Nissan CVTs can be revived with a trans fluid flush and refill. That is assuming no broken parts internally I believe @Michaell has some experience with this. 

Yes, I have a friend who bought a new Nissan Versa sedan with the CVT, and put over 100k on it in 4 years. The transmission started acting up and they thought it would have to be replaced. The flush and refill of the transmission fluid did the trick and the cost was less than $1000.

When I bought the Lincoln Mark VIII I noticed it had a torque converter shudder. Having read up on this prior to looking at it I knew that the fix for this common problem was a fluid change. I bought it, changed the fluid and filter, and enjoyed the next 40k miles trouble free. The shudder may have prompted the seller to let it go so cheap.

Sometimes knowing that a problem isn't really a problem can pay off.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.

Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

I think the design life of most domestic brands is 150k. Don't know about CVTs but I would assume it's the same. Like any other part I would think regular maintenance is necessary. That's always the big question with buying a used car, you don't know if the seller was OCD on maintenance or ignored it entirely. On cheapos like I usually buy lack of records is no biggie but on a $10k+ purchase I'd really want to see some.

I found out more information so I changed my reply to jmonroe1 above. Your estimate was very close OF.


Most car transmissions are designed to live as long as the car lives. So most cars which are put out of service still have their first transmission installed. When designing a car, the engineers usually aim at a life span of approx. 155,000 miles. That means that all major components of zhe car are designed to live that long if you maintain them according to factory reccomendations. There are parts which will probably wear out earlier, such as timing belt, water pump, clutch, muffler, of course break pads and dics. But the engine as a whole is not a wear part, as well as the gearbox.

I have seen cars with 450,000 miles on the clock - which still had their first transmission. You cannot tell in advance.

One has to take into consideration, that an ordinary driver needs ten to twenty years to travel 155k miles. A car of thar age and milage usually has lost at least 90 percent of its value. Even a Mercedes S600 (V12 engine) with a new sticker price of 150,000 USD costs less than 5,000 USD when it is that old and that much used. If the transmission crashes on a car of that age, it usually is doomed, because it is cheaper to buy another used car than to replace the gearbox.

I based 300k on cars where drivers said I got to 300k with no major repairs. I figured then 300k was normal, and I am surprised a transmission only lasts 155k miles.

oldfarmer50

suydam said:

I would never ever have a black car with black upholstery in the Southwest. To each his/her own.

That would be a great negotiating tool. "Gee, if I bring a black car with hot seats back to my wife, she'll kill me! How about another grand off?"

stickguy

That’s like looking at a RWD car in the winter in the northeast. Lowball city baby!

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I filled up with PUG the other day at Costco at $3.09.9 a gallon.  All other gas within 3 miles of where I live was $3.39.9 or higher.  The manager was there and I asked him how they ensure their gasoline is TopTier.  He responded that the detergents and additives are mixed in with the gasoline from the Ft. Lauderdale terminal right there at the station.

He explained that they have contracts with gasoline distributors for fuel from various refineries   They add the detergents right at the station from the fuel tanker that is pre-measured to ensure the gasoline is TopTier.  I found that interesting.

As far as filling up at Costco, it is 2 miles from where I live.  I only buy gas on my way to or from areas where I pass by the station - I don’t drive there just to buy gas.  I have never had a problem with their gasoline in the 15 years I have been buying gas from them.  Saving $$5.00+ a tankful 4 times a month makes it worth having a Costco membership. I also by liquor there and most of my cheeses.

That's not how I understand it. Guys who used to transport gas for a living have told me that proprietary additives are mixed in at the refinery as adding them at the station could cause uneven incorporation. Each load is mixed according to the retailer's formula. I suppose tbeycoulddo it differently in your area.

I buy Top Tier 93 octane for every vehicle except the Jeep(which usually just gets Kroger 87 octane). I have six Top Tier stations within 5 minutes of my house, so it's no hardship to find quality fuel.

berri

Rumors coming out that the Ford VW alliances may become something much larger and significant. Maybe eventually a VW buyout of Ford. I dunno, Daimler Chrysler didn't work out all that well. Kind of a mismatch of cultures perhaps.

ab348

We used to have two refineries locally (Valero and Exxon) but in recent times both of them have been decommissioned. Now all of the gasoline sold locally regardless of brand comes either from the Irving refinery about 300 miles away, or from parts unknown via ocean tanker, for stuff that is bought on the spot market. I hear some of it can even come from Europe. It is offloaded to a tank farm where truck tankers pick it up for delivery to retailers. It is at that point of loading the tanker that each manufacturer's specific additive package gets added. Luckily, we do not need to deal with the addition of 10% ethanol here.

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.

Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

I would say 124K for a transmission failure is at the low end of statistical probability. More like 150K-175K would be "normal" for a failure. A class action suit with that mileage? Yeah, well good luck.

28firefighter

Can one of you guys who are much smarter than I explain why I can only find up to 92 octane here in the PNW? Back in Philly, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland when I was driving I always used 93.

Mr_Shiftright

You can buy 93 octane in Seattle I believe.

oldfarmer50

28firefighter said:

Can one of you guys who are much smarter than I explain why I can only find up to 92 octane here in the PNW? Back in Philly, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland when I was driving I always used 93.

Altitude? Environmentalism? Witches?

28firefighter

Mr_Shiftright said:

You can buy 93 octane in Seattle I believe.

I'm sure I could find somewhere with it, but unlike home where every station has 93, here the most I see at most stations is 92.

imidazol97

ab348 said:

we do not need to deal with the addition of 10% ethanol here.

Another example of lobbyists with a purpose getting their way supposedly saving us from some doom and gloom ending.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

After a while, my wife just tells me to go get whatever I want (as long as it doesn’t involve her car). She gets tired of hearing about it. Plus, she knows that I am too cheapReally cheapFrugal to do anything that will break us financially!

I also believe in the theory that it is better to ask forgiveness than permission. Or at least, more fun.

My wife will get tired of me moping around and eventually gives permission. On the cheap beaters she says "go for it". On the new cars it's "go ahead and buy it, you always do what you want anyway".

She sometimes even gets amused when I dance around in joy on the arrival of some new performance part.

Car buying is so much more fun when your SO is on board.

Michaell

28firefighter said:

Can one of you guys who are much smarter than I explain why I can only find up to 92 octane here in the PNW? Back in Philly, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland when I was driving I always used 93.

You're lucky to see 92.

Here in CO, it's 85 (RUG), 87 (mid-grade) and 91 (premium). The Subaru and Jetta both get 87.

In NM it's 86 / 88 / 91

oldfarmer50

berri said:

Rumors coming out that the Ford VW alliances may become something much larger and significant. Maybe eventually a VW buyout of Ford. I dunno, Daimler Chrysler didn't work out all that well. Kind of a mismatch of cultures perhaps.

Where would VW come up with that kind of money after paying out all those billions after the diesel scandal?

Maybe Ford will buy VW sedans and slap a Ford body on them like Chrysler did with Mitsu. Might allow them to keep selling sedans. Or maybe rebadging VW electric cars as their own.

sda

Small engine repair shops love ethanol gas as it creates work $$ for them. I have had the carb on a lawn mower and pressure washer require rebuilding because of ethanol in gas. Fortunately I can now buy ethanol free gas locally and haven't had an issue since.

oldfarmer50

Ha ha I was just watching Wayne Carini from Chasing Classic Cars and I noticed that the car he pulled up in was from Enterprise. I can tell from the small white ID tag we put on the windshield. I wonder if the company pays for product placement.

dino001

oldfarmer50 said:

berri said:

Rumors coming out that the Ford VW alliances may become something much larger and significant. Maybe eventually a VW buyout of Ford. I dunno, Daimler Chrysler didn't work out all that well. Kind of a mismatch of cultures perhaps.

Where would VW come up with that kind of money after paying out all those billions after the diesel scandal?

Maybe Ford will buy VW sedans and slap a Ford body on them like Chrysler did with Mitsu. Might allow them to keep selling sedans. Or maybe rebadging VW electric cars as their own.

There are ways. VW-Ford would not be a buyout, but rather a merger, i.e. shareholders would be paid largely in stock, only small portion cash. However, I don't see it happening. Rebadging idea may not be a bad one, but still a lot of issues to work out. Remember, Ford will still make passenger cars outside of the US, so branding would be a nightmare of complication. I think this it's more likely about EV, or powertrains in general.

Another possibility is VW buying Euro (or ROW) business from Ford, or some of its portion, just like Peugeot did from GM. Ford used to be a force in Europe (just like Opel), but it's definitely not as much today.

stickguy

Had not heard about it, but a working agreement could make sense. Ford could get access to cars, and VW trucks, and coordinate to cover different markets.

driver100

28firefighter said:

Can one of you guys who are much smarter than I explain why I can only find up to 92 octane here in the PNW? Back in Philly, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland when I was driving I always used 93.

Elevation- lower air density means lower cylinder pressure, which means lower octane requirements.
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I think in Florida (Mike can correct me) which has low elevation it is 93.

ab348

28firefighter said:

Can one of you guys who are much smarter than I explain why I can only find up to 92 octane here in the PNW? Back in Philly, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland when I was driving I always used 93.

Here in Nova Scotia most premium is 91 octane. One chain (Irving) has 92. Our choices are usually 87, 89 mid-grade, and 91. The mid-grade is mixed at the pump from the regular and premium tanks.

Interestingly I happened to visit the Exxon/Mobil Canada website over the weekend looking for something else and discovered by accident that their premium nationwide here is 91, except for the Metro Toronto market, where they also offer 93 octane product. Not sure why that is, maybe lots of tuners and Porsche owners in that market. I also learned subsequently that 93 or 94 octane is available from other brands in major markets like Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary. Some of them apparently achieve that by adding ethanol to their 91 octane fuel.

abacomike

driver100 said:

Can one of you guys who are much smarter than I explain why I can only find up to 92 octane here in the PNW? Back in Philly, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland when I was driving I always used 93.

Elevation- lower air density means lower cylinder pressure, which means lower octane requirements. . I think in Florida (Mike can correct me) which has low elevation it is 93.

Yes, 93 octane in the premium grade!

abacomike

Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try! 

I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

dino001

driver100 said:

28firefighter said:

Can one of you guys who are much smarter than I explain why I can only find up to 92 octane here in the PNW? Back in Philly, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland when I was driving I always used 93.

Elevation- lower air density means lower cylinder pressure, which means lower octane requirements.
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I think in Florida (Mike can correct me) which has low elevation it is 93.

I wonder if the same principles work for the forced induction engines (super- and turbocharged). If not, people in highland states are getting low grade fuel for their high performance turbos that require 92+.

jmonroe1

sb55 said:

iluvmysephia1 said:

Remember, a fine wine can not be consumed before it's time. 

Have you ever driven either one?  Wouldn’t that make sense rather than what they looked like?

Why bring logic into this discussion? He seems to be perfectly happy getting drunk watching others test drive the car/s he lusts for. I didn't think we did it like that in here.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

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ab348 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.

Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

Sometimes those Nissan CVTs can be revived with a trans fluid flush and refill. That is assuming no broken parts internally I believe @Michaell has some experience with this. 

Yes, I have a friend who bought a new Nissan Versa sedan with the CVT, and put over 100k on it in 4 years. The transmission started acting up and they thought it would have to be replaced. The flush and refill of the transmission fluid did the trick and the cost was less than $1000.


I hope it was a lot less than $1000 for just a fluid change. Like $800 less or more. When Mrs. j's 2012 Subie Legacy was in for an engine oil change about a year ago, although her car did not need a tranny flush and refill, I asked how much that would be and the guy said, "with the low miles on your car I doubt you'll ever need one but if it did, it's around $150 today".

jmonroe

sda

abacomike said:

Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try! 

I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

Boo, hiss.  lol

jmonroe1

abacomike said:

Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try! 

I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

You ain't outta of there yet.

Guys, there is still hope for a Mike sales story today.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try! 

I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

Not that you didn't try? Are you saying you tried to buy a cat and for whatever reason it fell through? Please give us the details.

bwia

abacomike said:

Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try! 

I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

Well I hope it is complimentary because a three-hour wait is punishment enough for hanging around for 3+ hours without buying a car. 

By the way, don't forget to look at some low hanging fruit i.e. an SUV.

benjaminh

iluvmysephia1 said:

....Ahh...memories of car quests past. Suggestions accepted, folks. 

Good luck with your car quest. Didn't read all of your post, but it seems like you have a fondness for Sentras. I don't understand that. I had one a few years back as a rental car and it seemed adequate at best, and a notch or two or three below a Corolla or Civic. If I may ask, what's your budget? Anything else you're considering, or is a Sentra the only thing that works for you?

imidazol97

abacomike said:

Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try! 

I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

But you haven't left yet, right?

And the day isn't over?

imidazol97

It was on the order of $50-60 for a transmission fluid drain and fill for the Cruze. I believe in having it done by around 50,000 miles.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

After a while, my wife just tells me to go get whatever I want (as long as it doesn’t involve her car). She gets tired of hearing about it. Plus, she knows that I am too cheapReally cheapFrugal to do anything that will break us financially!

I also believe in the theory that it is better to ask forgiveness than permission. Or at least, more fun.

Yeah, I'm afraid I've done that too. We laughed about it just today, about how when I got my TLX I called to say I was sheltering from a huge rain storm at the Acura dealer—which was true as far as it went, but only part of the story. It was only an hour or so later that I called to confess that I was really there because I considering getting one. She was surprised to say the least, but when I told her about the good deal, the qualities of the car, etc., she decided it was ok. She trusted I wouldn't do something against the financial interests of the family.

benjaminh

abacomike said:

Yes, 93 octane in the premium grade!

We have 93 octane here in Louisville.

benjaminh

driver100 said:

.... When designing a car, the engineers usually aim at a life span of approx. 155,000 miles. That means that all major components of zhe car are designed to live that long if you maintain them....

My guess is that varies according to the manufacturer and the model. My new 2000 Ford Focus was having major problems in its first years, and seemed like it would be very lucky to limp to 150k. A Cadillac, Acura, Lexus, etc. are probably designed and engineered to often make it to 200k with careful care and a garage.