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fintail

Food deserts are a big contributor to the obesity issue. Abundance of crap, yeah. It's amazing how people look different in other developed countries, or even specific regions of the US.

stickguy

true. Big issue in a lot of parts of Philly. No real markets so people end up basically shopping at a glorified convenience store. Can be tough to get fresh meat or veggies.

stickguy

Jip, here is an interesting model to look at. I don't think I've ever seen one in person. Miles slightly high, but it is at least all loaded up with features. And probably gets really good MPG.

http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2013-hyundai-sonata_hybrid-4dr_sedan_limited-used-18813403.html

sda

Those are nice cars and still look current, though it is the previous version. It is important to confirm if this one has been included with the engine replacement recall and if it was addressed. Rogue metals circulating internally meant for some short lived engines.

abacomike

fintail said:

Food deserts are a big contributor to the obesity issue. Abundance of crap, yeah. It's amazing how people look different in other developed countries, or even specific regions of the US.

Food deserts?  You must mean Oases with fresh dates off the trees! 

abacomike

stickguy said:

true. Big issue in a lot of parts of Philly. No real markets so people end up basically shopping at a glorified convenience store. Can be tough to get fresh meat or veggies.

Stick, as I read your post, I began to realize I do not buy meats for consumption when I shop for food, especially red meats.  It’s not that I don’t enjoy a filet mignon every once in a while at a nice restaurant, but rather I try not to eat red meat frequently.  I buy chicken and turkey, but not red meat.

driver100

stickguy said:

Jip, here is an interesting model to look at. I don't think I've ever seen one in person. Miles slightly high, but it is at least all loaded up with features. And probably gets really good MPG.

http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2013-hyundai-sonata_hybrid-4dr_sedan_limited-used-18813403.html

I don't know, but seems to me a Hybrid could mean more could go wrong. Those were probably early editions of hybrid Hyundai's.....does it make the engine more complicated and thus more prone to failure.

houdini2

Mazda is finally bringing the CX5 diesel to U.S. Supposedly this Fall. It doesn't appear to get much better mpg than their gas version. Not much, if any, of the new tech they were touting.

Also Hyundai is touting smallest SUV for U.S. this year. The Venue. Looks to be a city car or grocery getter, but a cute little dude.

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

Food waste is a tricky statistic. It can be lost in the field due to disease, weather or animal predation. I’ve lost 100% due to deer alone.

Then there is voluntary waste. Large commercial farms may dump or simply not pick a portion of a crop because it doesn’t meet wholesale criteria. A friend of mine has huge beautiful apples but he says he can’t sell them because the large accounts specify fruit exactly 23/4” in diameter. This is due to portion control programs which dictate that a larger Apple wouldn’t be fully eaten and therefore anything bigger is paying for product not used. His big apples are considered garbage.

Then you have spoilage from limited shelf life and shrinkage from crooked customers.

It all adds up. The figure I’ve heard is 50% from all causes combined.

I don’t know any thing about produce, but claiming “waste” on yield is a slippery slope in food production, period.

What is considered unfit for human consumption can very well be used in animal food. Mentioned my Father’s business.....he sold feathers to a firm that cleaned and sanitized them to use in all sorts of products.

One company would come and buy the entrails to make all sorts of linings for clothing (yeah....crazy).

Chicken heads were frozen and sold to a transport company to ship them overseas to a culture that valued them as a food source.

Just a few examples.

So, stating yield is xx% isn’t giving the entire picture. In food production, just because you can’t/won’t eat it, doesn’t mean it isn’t used somewhere for something else.

jipster

stickguy said:

Jip, here is an interesting model to look at. I don't think I've ever seen one in person. Miles slightly high, but it is at least all loaded up with features. And probably gets really good MPG.

http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2013-hyundai-sonata_hybrid-4dr_sedan_limited-used-18813403.html

Thx Stickguy. Looks like a really nice car. 36 city and 40 mpg hwy isn't too bad. :-). Can't say I know a lot about hybrids. Was doing a bit of research about a week ago on their batteries. They're expensive. Unclear, from what I read, if there was a way to test those batteries for how much life would be remaining in one. Charging patterns and extreme temperature can effect life. Would think a 2013 model year would have plenty.of life in that battery. The color is good, Venecian red. Looking for black, silver, red, maybe white. Priced a little out of my budget. They'd have to really want.to deal.

A week ago the most I was wanting to spend was $6,500-7,000. Now, for the right car, $8,000-8,500. Son will be graduating in 3 weeks, so really need a car!!

qbrozen

jipster said:

Thx Stickguy. Looks like a really nice car. 36 city and 40 mpg hwy isn't too bad. :-). Can't say I know a lot about hybrids. Was doing a bit of research about a week ago on their batteries. They're expensive. Unclear, from what I read, if there was a way to test those batteries for how much life would be remaining in one. Charging patterns and extreme temperature can effect life. Would think a 2013 model year would have plenty.of life in that battery. The color is good, Venecian red. Looking for black, silver, red, maybe white. Priced a little out of my budget. They'd have to really want.to deal.

A week ago the most I was wanting to spend was $6,500-7,000. Now, for the right car, $8,000-8,500. Son will be graduating in 3 weeks, so really need a car!!

Stick has said those guys don't negotiate. Their price on that one is pretty fair, though.

But an 85k-mile hybrid is not how I'd want to spend $10k, personally.

tjc78

houdini2 said:

Mazda is finally bringing the CX5 diesel to U.S. Supposedly this Fall. It doesn't appear to get much better mpg than their gas version. Not much, if any, of the new tech they were touting.

Also Hyundai is touting smallest SUV for U.S. this year. The Venue. Looks to be a city car or grocery getter, but a cute little dude.

I'm calling it now... that CX-5 will flop. I like the idea of a diesel... but in the US they never seem to take off.

A smaller SUV than the Kona? Wow, that's going to be tiny.

jmonroe1

jipster said:

stickguy said:

Jip, here is an interesting model to look at. I don't think I've ever seen one in person. Miles slightly high, but it is at least all loaded up with features. And probably gets really good MPG.

http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2013-hyundai-sonata_hybrid-4dr_sedan_limited-used-18813403.html

Thx Stickguy. Looks like a really nice car. 36 city and 40 mpg hwy isn't too bad. :-). Can't say I know a lot about hybrids. Was doing a bit of research about a week ago on their batteries. They're expensive. Unclear, from what I read, if there was a way to test those batteries for how much life would be remaining in one. Charging patterns and extreme temperature can effect life. Would think a 2013 model year would have plenty.of life in that battery. The color is good, Venecian red. Looking for black, silver, red, maybe white. Priced a little out of my budget. They'd have to really want.to deal.

A week ago the most I was wanting to spend was $6,500-7,000. Now, for the right car, $8,000-8,500. Son will be graduating in 3 weeks, so really need a car!!

That is a pretty nice color combo on that car. You better not drag your feet too long on this one. It won't take long to sell that beauty.

jmonroe

berri

I buy chicken and turkey, but not red meat.
I understand your dilemma aba. But man, in Florida you can rinse the wrappings of that poultry and double bag it, but the heat and humidity will still make it stink up your garbage can! Sometimes I wonder if we could subsist drinking protein drinks and eating fruits and vegetables? Alas, probably issues with that too. You can't win buddy

qbrozen

How about a RWD 2-seater?

TDI

Nice little hatchback

Low miles

Cute car, if you can get past the upholstery

If he can drive stick, I think we have a winner here.

stickguy

I like the soul. Great student car too. Just a bit short on options for me.

jmonroe1

berri said:

I buy chicken and turkey, but not red meat.
I understand your dilemma aba. But man, in Florida you can rinse the wrappings of that poultry and double bag it, but the heat and humidity will still make it stink up your garbage can! Sometimes I wonder if we could subsist drinking protein drinks and eating fruits and vegetables? Alas, probably issues with that too. You can't win buddy

I don't live in Florida but I can't remember the last time we had a smelly garbage can and our garbage can sits in the kitchen, hidden behind a door, placed under the clothes shoot catcher bin until it goes to the curb on Sunday evening. If it is food waste (all plate scrapings, veggies and fruits) it goes into the disposal. I didn't buy a 1 HP disposal just to sit under the sink and look pretty.

jmonroe

jipster

jmonroe1 said:

jipster said:

stickguy said:

Jip, here is an interesting model to look at. I don't think I've ever seen one in person. Miles slightly high, but it is at least all loaded up with features. And probably gets really good MPG.

http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2013-hyundai-sonata_hybrid-4dr_sedan_limited-used-18813403.html

Thx Stickguy. Looks like a really nice car. 36 city and 40 mpg hwy isn't too bad. :-). Can't say I know a lot about hybrids. Was doing a bit of research about a week ago on their batteries. They're expensive. Unclear, from what I read, if there was a way to test those batteries for how much life would be remaining in one. Charging patterns and extreme temperature can effect life. Would think a 2013 model year would have plenty.of life in that battery. The color is good, Venecian red. Looking for black, silver, red, maybe white. Priced a little out of my budget. They'd have to really want.to deal.

A week ago the most I was wanting to spend was $6,500-7,000. Now, for the right car, $8,000-8,500. Son will be graduating in 3 weeks, so really need a car!!

That is a pretty nice color combo on that car. You better not drag your feet too long on this one. It won't take long to sell that beauty.

jmonroe

Maybe I should go over to the "Chronic Car Buyers" discussion and get some pointers on "pulling the trigger"?

berri

JM - we once rented a home where the landlord also owned a restaurant. He had installed a big, honkin' restaurant sized disposal in the rental house. Always afraid its suction would make hamburger of my arm
But, southern summer weather is a beast on garbage cans.

jipster

Miles are a bit high. The yellow paint is sporty looking. Safe for a teenage boy.. "Vary" reliable and runs great. Great price. I'm sold!!!

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/canaan-school-bus/6868193847.html

ruking1

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Food waste is a tricky statistic. It can be lost in the field due to disease, weather or animal predation. I’ve lost 100% due to deer alone.

Then there is voluntary waste. Large commercial farms may dump or simply not pick a portion of a crop because it doesn’t meet wholesale criteria. A friend of mine has huge beautiful apples but he says he can’t sell them because the large accounts specify fruit exactly 23/4” in diameter. This is due to portion control programs which dictate that a larger Apple wouldn’t be fully eaten and therefore anything bigger is paying for product not used. His big apples are considered garbage.

Then you have spoilage from limited shelf life and shrinkage from crooked customers.

It all adds up. The figure I’ve heard is 50% from all causes combined.

I don’t know any thing about produce, but claiming “waste” on yield is a slippery slope in food production, period.

What is considered unfit for human consumption can very well be used in animal food. Mentioned my Father’s business.....he sold feathers to a firm that cleaned and sanitized them to use in all sorts of products.

One company would come and buy the entrails to make all sorts of linings for clothing (yeah....crazy).

Chicken heads were frozen and sold to a transport company to ship them overseas to a culture that valued them as a food source.

Just a few examples.

So, stating yield is xx% isn’t giving the entire picture. In food production, just because you can’t/won’t eat it, doesn’t mean it isn’t used somewhere for something else.

That’s already a given & should be obvious. Again, it’s a slightly different question, what (unknown) % is being “recycled”, used, but still counted as waste. Just because waste is being recycled does it mean that there is no waste in the waste.

ruking1

tjc78 said:

houdini2 said:

Mazda is finally bringing the CX5 diesel to U.S. Supposedly this Fall. It doesn't appear to get much better mpg than their gas version. Not much, if any, of the new tech they were touting.

Also Hyundai is touting smallest SUV for U.S. this year. The Venue. Looks to be a city car or grocery getter, but a cute little dude.

I'm calling it now... that CX-5 will flop. I like the idea of a diesel... but in the US they never seem to take off.

A smaller SUV than the Kona? Wow, that's going to be tiny.

Diesel are fully 5% of the passenger vehicle fleet. The Mazda CX-5 could signal a reigniting of diesels, diesel/hybrids. I hope Mazda meets to exceeds their diesel CX-5 sales goals.

Michaell

ruking1 said:

tjc78 said:

houdini2 said:

Mazda is finally bringing the CX5 diesel to U.S. Supposedly this Fall. It doesn't appear to get much better mpg than their gas version. Not much, if any, of the new tech they were touting.

Also Hyundai is touting smallest SUV for U.S. this year. The Venue. Looks to be a city car or grocery getter, but a cute little dude.

I'm calling it now... that CX-5 will flop. I like the idea of a diesel... but in the US they never seem to take off.

A smaller SUV than the Kona? Wow, that's going to be tiny.

Diesel are fully 5% of the passenger vehicle fleet. The Mazda CX-5 could signal a reigniting of diesels, diesel/hybrids. I hope Mazda meets to exceeds their diesel CX-5 sales goals.

I'll admit I was excited by the introduction of the diesel engine in the CX-5.

Then we waited ... and waited ... and waited ...

And, in the meantime, Mazda decided to drop the 2.5T into the CX-5, which amply addressed the lack of power issue.

The diesel is a full $4000 more expensive than the 2.5T, and it has less torque (290 ft/lbs vs 310 for the turbo).

I'm just not sure the take rate will be what Mazda hopes.

28firefighter

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Michaell

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

tjc78 said:

houdini2 said:

Mazda is finally bringing the CX5 diesel to U.S. Supposedly this Fall. It doesn't appear to get much better mpg than their gas version. Not much, if any, of the new tech they were touting.

Also Hyundai is touting smallest SUV for U.S. this year. The Venue. Looks to be a city car or grocery getter, but a cute little dude.

I'm calling it now... that CX-5 will flop. I like the idea of a diesel... but in the US they never seem to take off.

A smaller SUV than the Kona? Wow, that's going to be tiny.

Diesel are fully 5% of the passenger vehicle fleet. The Mazda CX-5 could signal a reigniting of diesels, diesel/hybrids. I hope Mazda meets to exceeds their diesel CX-5 sales goals.

I'll admit I was excited by the introduction of the diesel engine in the CX-5.

Then we waited ... and waited ... and waited ...

And, in the meantime, Mazda decided to drop the 2.5T into the CX-5, which amply addressed the lack of power issue.

The diesel is a full $4000 more expensive than the 2.5T, and it has less torque (290 ft/lbs vs 310 for the turbo).

I'm just not sure the take rate will be what Mazda hopes.

And, while 5% of the current fleet may be diesel, I believe less than 1% of new cars sold are diesel. The market has spoken, and there just aren't that many diesel offerings left in the US.

houdini2

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

stickguy

Good deal on the bus. I could see it turned into a tailgate bus by a football fan.

jmonroe1

jipster said:

Miles are a bit high. The yellow paint is sporty looking. Safe for a teenage boy.. "Vary" reliable and runs great. Great price. I'm sold!!!

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/canaan-school-bus/6868193847.html

Oh man, I better be careful how I say this but I don't think it's a good idea to buy one of those if it was driven by one of our poster buddies in his previous life.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

jipster said:

Miles are a bit high. The yellow paint is sporty looking. Safe for a teenage boy.. "Vary" reliable and runs great. Great price. I'm sold!!!

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/canaan-school-bus/6868193847.html

Oh man, I better be careful how I say this but I don't think it's a good idea to buy one of those if it was driven by one of our poster buddies in his previous life.

jmonroe

I was thinking our fellow poster buddy might like to buy that bus....for old times sake, might bring back some fond memories.

fintail

No doubt that stat was true at one time, but now that BMW and MB have abandoned diesel in this market, I bet it is less in 2019.

ruking1 said:

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Diesel are fully 5% of the passenger vehicle fleet. The Mazda CX-5 could signal a reigniting of diesels, diesel/hybrids. I hope Mazda meets to exceeds their diesel CX-5 sales goals.

Mr_Shiftright

I think the diesel passenger car market is dead in the USA and it's going to stay dead. But, we will still see them for private use in pickups, of course, maybe some Jeeps, and certainly in Class A motor homes.

@qbrozen -- Q, that Jetta TDI is missing a pedal. Didn't that year still have the dreaded VW DSG, or is it the improved transmission?

ruking1

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

To 28firefighter

Yes You might think, say & write that, but for almost any diesel car that I’ve bought, “one not in the know” can only tell only by lettering. Lettering is not hard to remove. Really, the vast majority could care less about lettering on a (your, my) car that looks IDENTICAL to gasoline models.

So we shall see how Mazda does with the diesel CX- 5, all the best! Unfortunately, since I am not in the market, for any car, let alone diesel, I can only be a grand standing fan, when Mazda would like to book a diesel sale.

My daughter is extremely happy with her late model gasoline CX-5, sans diesel fuel mileage + diesel torque. She got super spoiled when I let her use the VW Touareg TDI , mated to a Japanese 8 speed. 406 # ft. torque. 32 mpg in both higher speed highway travel & horrendous commute traffic. It can post .85 G. Not many other MS CUV’s can match. She took the now Sonoma Raceway car handling highway survival course & knows how to take cars to their limits & beyond. She of course didn’t do that with the dog in back.😎

jmonroe1

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

Damn, now you know why I have purchased two Genny's.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

Post removed for specific political comments.

Michaell

jmonroe1 said:

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

Damn, now you know why I have purchased two Genny's.

jmonroe

I was poking around on cars.com yesterday, and found a 2017 Genesis G80 AWD with 33,000 miles on it. Asking price $28K.

That's a lot of car for the money. Those were, what, $50K brand new?

ruking1

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

Damn, now you know why I have purchased two Genny's.

jmonroe

I was poking around on cars.com yesterday, and found a 2017 Genesis G80 AWD with 33,000 miles on it. Asking price $28K.

That's a lot of car for the money. Those were, what, $50K brand new?

Well, I guess is still a Hyundai ? But then again, it is in the forsaken full-size sedan category! ?

Mr_Shiftright

Yes, yes, and a Lexus is a Toyota and a Lincoln is a Ford and a Ferrari used to be a Fiat and a Porsche is a VW.

Or not.

ruking1

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yes, yes, and a Lexus is a Toyota and a Lincoln is a Ford and a Ferrari used to be a Fiat and a Porsche is a VW.

Or not.

Lexus/Toyota has held the reliability, durability crowns across multiple models & other +sources for MANY years!? Yet EVERY brand had/have had multiple chances & YEARS to inch to race ahead, but.......🤑NADA.

So for me, it was a “stretch” to go VW, MB, even as I knew diesels were both reliable & durable. If it wasn’t for diesels, it was an absolute no brainer for me to STAY Lexus/Toyota.

But as I have said, ANY car should be able to go to the “First Major Tune” @ 100,000 miles to 150,000 miles.
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What I have found interesting about these diesel engines (1.9 L, 2.0 L, 2.1 L, 3.0 L) on 30,000 mile oil change intervals, every one of the engines have used/consumed less than 1 L of oil.

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

Damn, now you know why I have purchased two Genny's.

jmonroe

I was poking around on cars.com yesterday, and found a 2017 Genesis G80 AWD with 33,000 miles on it. Asking price $28K.

That's a lot of car for the money. Those were, what, $50K brand new?

At least and probably 5 grand more for a V8.

jmonroe

ruking1

Dupe

ruking1

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

Damn, now you know why I have purchased two Genny's.

jmonroe

I was poking around on cars.com yesterday, and found a 2017 Genesis G80 AWD with 33,000 miles on it. Asking price $28K.

That's a lot of car for the money. Those were, what, $50K brand new?

At least and probably 5 grand more for a V8.

jmonroe

So it would seem that one key thing to do is either to talk to people who have owned the Genesis (100,000 miles) or to the mechanics who fix them. It may turn out to be one of the greatest hidden deals (full size luxury sedan) around or… NOT.

ruking1

Dupe

henryn

jmonroe1 said:

I was poking around on cars.com yesterday, and found a 2017 Genesis G80 AWD with 33,000 miles on it. Asking price $28K.

That's a lot of car for the money. Those were, what, $50K brand new?

At least and probably 5 grand more for a V8.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

Damn, now you know why I have purchased two Genny's.

jmonroe

.........................because you are a wannabe?

driver100

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

ruking1

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000/120k, -63% , or - minus 16% per year. You are also implying that a car is a good convenience rather than need. Cheaper (LEAST depreciation) the better would be my vote.

Michaell

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

houdini2 said:

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

28firefighter said:

It's funny about the CX-5 diesel. I had someone reach out to me yesterday for a list of cars to look at and they are hellbent on a hybrid or a diesel crossover for "efficiency." I had to explain that those two things no longer are the sole drivers of efficiency - that many of the new turbo 4 engines are just as efficient, if not more so, than some hybrid and diesel engines. They don't care - which tells me it isn't about reality, it is also about the image.

Image has always been and will continue to be important in all automobile purchases.

Damn, now you know why I have purchased two Genny's.

jmonroe

.........................because you are a wannabe?

And more importantly, I know my place in life.

jmonroe

ruking1

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

WAG = $3.75 to $2.34 cost per mile driven: depreciation.

Well, golly gee, those WAG figures beat the hell out of the 2003 Honda Civics $.0332 per mile driven: depreciation x 113 x’s. Just the loss only would have bought 6 civics.

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long.

jmonroe