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fintail

I like those movie tribute cars too. It'd also be cool to have a Marty McFly Toyota 4x4 and maybe a DeLorean with a time machine conversion - there have been several customs based on those.

For the Truckster, I only could watch it with subtitles, is that really a 1981 model car? Interior looks like a later run model. I remember the car in the movie had upholstery that almost looked like burlap - I suspect that was some of John Hughes' car casting genius at work.

driver100

dino001 said:

My thoughts on depreciation are - it is a factor if two cars are otherwise equal to me. It's something like number 10 on my list of important items, I almost never get to that, the decision is usually made at number 3 to 5. I don't buy my car to please the next owner, I buy it to please myself and satisfy my own needs. If depreciation is a real financial worry, then would be an indicator that I can't afford this product. Since I never leased (never even came close to considering leasing), my mindset is - I bought it, the money is gone. I'll worry about the "salvage" recovery, when it's time to change the car. I'm sure if I ever lease, the mindset will likely change. Then two seemingly same vehicles at same price can have vastly different cost of the "rental".

Two great posts Dino.....right on. Depreciation is way down the list for me too.....except I have it a little higher on my list of priorities. I am a long way from buying a new car, but it does go through my mind, that the E400 sits in the garage for 5 months and depreciates $8000 a year, while a C class could sit in the garage for 5 months and depreciate at $5000 a year....and I would probably like the C as much. Just wild and crazy thoughts.

But, in reality, I would probably buy what I really wanted anyway....who cares, it isn't my money, it's the kids inheritance money.

houdini2

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long.

jmonroe

Gas mileage isn't going to add up the way depreciation can. It hurts to pay $120000, and then 4 years later want to trade into a similar car and have to pay $80000 difference....that is costing $20000 a year in depreciation. In this case leasing is probably a lot less.

Like I said, if you're concerned with depreciation, you're in a league you can't afford to be in.

jmonroe

Don't most people who know about cars.....consider depreciation to some degree? I consider it, it is one reason (not the main one) that I would consider going to a C Class car next time around. I got the E size mostly for the trip to Florida and back, and I like the safety a larger car offers - we may be alive because of the E400, or at least able to walk, but, I think I could be content with a C a 3 or an A4.

Since I have a track record of keeping cars 6 or 7 years I don't give depreciation any thought at all. Now, if I only kept my cars 2 or 3 years, then yeah, I'd consider depreciation. Life is good in the slow lane and that is fine for me but I know it isn't for everybody. If everyone liked chocolate ice cream there wouldn't be any of it left when I went to the store.

jmonroe

Just a wild theory....but, if you buy a Genesis you are buying the car because you are getting a car comparable to a Mercedes, BMW, Audi, for a lower price.....which is fine.
My concern would be what will it be worth as a trade-in? And, what if I don't want another Genesis and if I show up at the MB, Audi, BMW dealer and want to trade how much will I get for it?

Even after 6 or 7 years of driving I don't like to be told there is no demand for my trade-in, so it is not worth much. You could be stuck getting another Genesis...not too bad, but, I like having as many options as possible.

I bought my Genny because it had features that I wanted and it was priced at a point where I wasn't willing to pay more for those features. If I valued those features more and I couldn't live without them and the Genny didn't have them, then I'd have to get them in another car. I'm at the point in my life if I want something bad enough, come hell or high water, I'm going to get it.

I'm not even close to thinking about replacing my '15 Genny. After what it took to get Mrs. j to let go of her beloved '12 Subie, I'm still thanking the car gods that I was able to pull that off.

As for being "stuck" having to get another Genny because no other car dealer wants it, again, I'm at the point in my life where it's going to be a cold day in Hawaii for that to happen.

jmonroe

My car buying strategy is that every few years I get the itch for a new car, and just like an itch, I have to scratch it.

dino001

driver100 said:

Enjoying driving the car is my main concern......but, I consider resale value too. I don't like trying to trade in a car nobody wants. Imagine trying to buy a 2005 BMW and you brought your 2000 Aztek as your trade

It's a wrong example. The car was ugly when you bought it in 2000 and everybody was saying so. So if you loved that Aztek for those five years, why selling it after just five? If you didn't, why you got it? If it turned to be a disappointment, that's not a depreciation problem, that's a product quality problem.

You are reaching. Just admit it - you like nice, expensive stuff and the three prong star or white and blue rotor signs are important to you to the point you'd rather drop 20 grand more than try that other thing. We buy things we trust and we shun things we don't know, especially when we get to certain age. It's OK, man.

snakeweasel

berri said:

I knew a guy who worked at Oscar Meyer while in college. Don't ask Actually, you don't want to see the back of a restaurant either. Ignorance can be bliss!

If you are familiar with White Castle one of the things they came out with in designing their restaurants was the customer being able to see the area where the food was being prepared. That way you could see how clean it was, this idea made its way into many future fast food chains. 

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long.

jmonroe

Gas mileage isn't going to add up the way depreciation can. It hurts to pay $120000, and then 4 years later want to trade into a similar car and have to pay $80000 difference....that is costing $20000 a year in depreciation. In this case leasing is probably a lot less.

Like I said, if you're concerned with depreciation, you're in a league you can't afford to be in.

jmonroe

Don't most people who know about cars.....consider depreciation to some degree? I consider it, it is one reason (not the main one) that I would consider going to a C Class car next time around. I got the E size mostly for the trip to Florida and back, and I like the safety a larger car offers - we may be alive because of the E400, or at least able to walk, but, I think I could be content with a C a 3 or an A4.

Since I have a track record of keeping cars 6 or 7 years I don't give depreciation any thought at all. Now, if I only kept my cars 2 or 3 years, then yeah, I'd consider depreciation. Life is good in the slow lane and that is fine for me but I know it isn't for everybody. If everyone liked chocolate ice cream there wouldn't be any of it left when I went to the store.

jmonroe

Just a wild theory....but, if you buy a Genesis you are buying the car because you are getting a car comparable to a Mercedes, BMW, Audi, for a lower price.....which is fine.
My concern would be what will it be worth as a trade-in? And, what if I don't want another Genesis and if I show up at the MB, Audi, BMW dealer and want to trade how much will I get for it?

Even after 6 or 7 years of driving I don't like to be told there is no demand for my trade-in, so it is not worth much. You could be stuck getting another Genesis...not too bad, but, I like having as many options as possible.

I bought my Genny because it had features that I wanted and it was priced at a point where I wasn't willing to pay more for those features. If I valued those features more and I couldn't live without them and the Genny didn't have them, then I'd have to get them in another car. I'm at the point in my life if I want something bad enough, come hell or high water, I'm going to get it.
jmonroe

I get that too. You got what you want and why pay more for things you don't need or won't appreciate. Besides, getting a "real" BMW past Mrs JM would be a lot harder.....

I know I will be satisfied with "The real thing", an MB or BMW, just like if I like Coke I won't be satisfied with No Name Cola.

driver100

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

Enjoying driving the car is my main concern......but, I consider resale value too. I don't like trying to trade in a car nobody wants. Imagine trying to buy a 2005 BMW and you brought your 2000 Aztek as your trade

It's a wrong example. The car was ugly when you bought it in 2000 and everybody was saying so. So if you loved that Aztek for those five years, why selling it after just five? If you didn't, why you got it? If it turned to be a disappointment, that's not a depreciation problem, that's a product quality problem.

You are reaching. Just admit it - you like nice, expensive stuff and the three prong star or white and blue rotor signs are important to you to the point you'd rather drop 20 grand more than try that other thing. We buy things we trust and we shun things we don't know, especially when we get to certain age. It's OK, man.

You are right!

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

Well, our useless city council, who never saw any wasteful spending they didn't like (except for fixing the roads) today went and approved $500K for the police dept to buy one of these: The most bizarre part was that the guy making the case from the police dept for it admitted they had never had any previous need for one, could not provide any credible case for why they would now need one, and really did not provide any kind of a rationale for it. Yet the spend-happy Council went and approved it. This is for a police dept that is presently being barbecued in the press for excessive use of street checks and carding, especially in certain areas, to the point where a provincial review had to be undertaken and the Attorney-General had to order a ban on it until they could come up with some kind of policy as to when it can and cannot be used. If our entire municipal council doesn't get tossed next election something is seriously wrong.

Maybe they need it to silence their critics.

It had me wondering what top-secret stuff the police have on some members of Council.

It costs $500k. think kickbacks.

snakeweasel

ruking1 said:

The American grading system WASTES approximately 95.5% of food. Farther down the food chain, food that is cultivated organically wastes approximately 33 1/3% of its YIELD vs pesticides used. So yes “organic IS the racket.

94.5% waste? If that were true we would be starving. 

Part of the reason organic is more expensive is that is more labor and land intensive that regular farming. 

snakeweasel

tjc78 said:

https://www.usda.gov/oce/foodwaste/faqs.htm

...”The United States currently does not have a single baseline estimate of food loss and waste”... Yet, they want to reduce not even one baseline food waste study by 50%? 50%/0 zero=0 zero?

If you are going to quote the article, let’s not take it out of context...complete quote What baseline estimates of food loss and waste will be used to measure progress in reaching the 50 percent reduction goal? The United States currently does not have a single baseline estimate of food loss and waste. Instead, two very different measures describe the amount of food loss and waste in the United States: EPA estimates: 2010 was selected as a baseline at 218.9 pounds of food waste per person sent for disposal. The 2030 FLW reduction goal aims to reduce food waste going to landfills by 50 percent to 109.4 pounds per person. USDA estimates the amount of food loss and waste from the food supply at the retail and consumer levels: in 2010 food loss and waste at the retail and consumer levels was 31 percent of the food supply, equaling 133 billion pounds and almost $162 billion. Now, I’ll ask one more time.. where is your source of the 95.5%?

I would like a clear definition of food waste.

I have an orange, I eat the orange and throw away the peel. The peel by definition is waste but is it considered food waste as stated above? 

henryn

driver100 said:

Subies seem to be the car of choice for retired people. Reliable, and AWD, no fuss no muss, gets you there and back with no hassle.

Not in those parts of the world where it never snows.

snakeweasel

berri said:

I buy chicken and turkey, but not red meat. I understand your dilemma aba. But man, in Florida you can rinse the wrappings of that poultry and double bag it, but the heat and humidity will still make it stink up your garbage can! Sometimes I wonder if we could subsist drinking protein drinks and eating fruits and vegetables? Alas, probably issues with that too. You can't win buddy

You would have issues with that long term. Humans are omnivores and need nutrients from a variety of food sources to stay healthy. The key is moderation.

graphicguy

@jipster @qbrozen

Saw the post about the possibility of buying a Ford Fiesta. One word.....DON’T!

Before my son bought his GTI he had a Fiesta. Transmission was TERRIBLE.....jerky-never in the right gear...almost to the point of being dangerous.

After my son traded it in (and took a big hit because of the trans), he got notices about a class action suit against Ford because of the trans failures. Never followed up to see what the results would have been, but I felt confident he could have had it bought back under “lemon laws”. He just didn’t have the stomach to go through that, seeing what I had to go through.

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it. *He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in. *He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little. *Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000. *Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor. *We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price, OR Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year. *I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long. jmonroe

Or like my sister who moved next to an airport and is complaining about the noise.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

I like those movie tribute cars too. It'd also be cool to have a Marty McFly Toyota 4x4 and maybe a DeLorean with a time machine conversion - there have been several customs based on those. For the Truckster, I only could watch it with subtitles, is that really a 1981 model car? Interior looks like a later run model. I remember the car in the movie had upholstery that almost looked like burlap - I suspect that was some of John Hughes' car casting genius at work.

At area car shows there are at times a Delorean that has a flux capacitor in it, but none of the time machine bodywork.

oldfarmer50

houdini2 said:

stickguy said:

I like that little Hyundai. other than the bulkier grill, the profile reminds me of the Volvo XC40. Another mini-ute that in person, seems a lot bigger (quite roomy inside).

stickguy said:

I like that little Hyundai. other than the bulkier grill, the profile reminds me of the Volvo XC40. Another mini-ute that in person, seems a lot bigger (quite roomy inside).

You also have a choice between a cvt or a manual transmission.

Same engine, same transmission choices in it’s corporate twin the base Soul. I tried looking up to see if they were both developed off the same platform but couldn’t find anything. I could be wrong but these vehicles remind me of many Ford-Mercury twins where the Merc got the slightly nicer styling but were basically the same car.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long.

jmonroe

Gas mileage isn't going to add up the way depreciation can. It hurts to pay $120000, and then 4 years later want to trade into a similar car and have to pay $80000 difference....that is costing $20000 a year in depreciation. In this case leasing is probably a lot less.

Like I said, if you're concerned with depreciation, you're in a league you can't afford to be in.

jmonroe

Don't most people who know about cars.....consider depreciation to some degree? I consider it, it is one reason (not the main one) that I would consider going to a C Class car next time around. I got the E size mostly for the trip to Florida and back, and I like the safety a larger car offers - we may be alive because of the E400, or at least able to walk, but, I think I could be content with a C a 3 or an A4.

Since I have a track record of keeping cars 6 or 7 years I don't give depreciation any thought at all. Now, if I only kept my cars 2 or 3 years, then yeah, I'd consider depreciation. Life is good in the slow lane and that is fine for me but I know it isn't for everybody. If everyone liked chocolate ice cream there wouldn't be any of it left when I went to the store.

jmonroe

Just a wild theory....but, if you buy a Genesis you are buying the car because you are getting a car comparable to a Mercedes, BMW, Audi, for a lower price.....which is fine.
My concern would be what will it be worth as a trade-in? And, what if I don't want another Genesis and if I show up at the MB, Audi, BMW dealer and want to trade how much will I get for it?

Even after 6 or 7 years of driving I don't like to be told there is no demand for my trade-in, so it is not worth much. You could be stuck getting another Genesis...not too bad, but, I like having as many options as possible.

If resale is your main concern just buy a Honda or Toyota.

Enjoying driving the car is my main concern......but, I consider resale value too. I don't like trying to trade in a car nobody wants. Imagine trying to buy a 2005 BMW and you brought your 2000 Aztek as your trade.

btw....there is a similarity OF in the Venue and Soul....small lights over the larger lights - squarish grill.

Trade my Aztek? No way! I’d be saving it until it came back into fashion and then clean up at Barrett-Jackson.

tjc78

fintail said:

I like those movie tribute cars too. It'd also be cool to have a Marty McFly Toyota 4x4 and maybe a DeLorean with a time machine conversion - there have been several customs based on those.

For the Truckster, I only could watch it with subtitles, is that really a 1981 model car? Interior looks like a later run model. I remember the car in the movie had upholstery that almost looked like burlap - I suspect that was some of John Hughes' car casting genius at work.

The seats are clearly wrong. The movie car certainly had the twead material. I do believe it's an 81, based on the LTD name plate above the glove box and the door panels.

I couldn't find a pic of the beige... but this is the interior the truckster had.

ruking1

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long.

jmonroe

Gas mileage isn't going to add up the way depreciation can. It hurts to pay $120000, and then 4 years later want to trade into a similar car and have to pay $80000 difference....that is costing $20000 a year in depreciation. In this case leasing is probably a lot less.

Like I said, if you're concerned with depreciation, you're in a league you can't afford to be in.

jmonroe

Don't most people who know about cars.....consider depreciation to some degree? I consider it, it is one reason (not the main one) that I would consider going to a C Class car next time around. I got the E size mostly for the trip to Florida and back, and I like the safety a larger car offers - we may be alive because of the E400, or at least able to walk, but, I think I could be content with a C a 3 or an A4.

We got off the negative equity roller coaster when we bought the Outback. Rolled over $3000+ from the previous loan, and also added an extended warranty (wife's car, wife's decision).

We chose the Outback, partially, because of the retained value in Colorado. Four years into the loan, we are now positive to the tune of $5000. We plan to keep it a good long time - with only 31,000 miles in those four years, it has a lot of life left. Got a complement on it just the other day.

If I decide to buy the next time around, I will absolutely consider depreciation. Which is why Honda (if new) or Acura (if used) are at the top of my list.

That’s the joy of buying fully deprecated old cars. I pay less than 10% of MSRP for my hoopties which have hopefully 1/3 to 1/2 of their life left. The guy with the R8 paid $80,000 for 30,000 miles. I pay $3,000 and get 50,000 miles.

The concept got across! $2.67 per mile driven vs $.06 per mile driven. One can also evaluated if it can be a so called “classic” & be worth more?

I’ve done that (any number of times) on past cars with 250,000 miles. One example was a 1987 Toyota Landcruiser, $.028 per mile driven: depreciation in 14 years of hard business/es (ACRES depreciations, more than once) & vacation use.

Toyota even did one full brake pads & rotors change, flush, free of charge due to fast pad & rotor wear. The thing got (lifetime) alignment from Sears @ every rotation. It also needed 5 sets of Michelin tires.

I’m told 1987 TLC can now fetch $1 to $3 k more than I let it go for, years ago.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long.

jmonroe

Gas mileage isn't going to add up the way depreciation can. It hurts to pay $120000, and then 4 years later want to trade into a similar car and have to pay $80000 difference....that is costing $20000 a year in depreciation. In this case leasing is probably a lot less.

Like I said, if you're concerned with depreciation, you're in a league you can't afford to be in.

jmonroe

Don't most people who know about cars.....consider depreciation to some degree? I consider it, it is one reason (not the main one) that I would consider going to a C Class car next time around. I got the E size mostly for the trip to Florida and back, and I like the safety a larger car offers - we may be alive because of the E400, or at least able to walk, but, I think I could be content with a C a 3 or an A4.

Since I have a track record of keeping cars 6 or 7 years I don't give depreciation any thought at all. Now, if I only kept my cars 2 or 3 years, then yeah, I'd consider depreciation. Life is good in the slow lane and that is fine for me but I know it isn't for everybody. If everyone liked chocolate ice cream there wouldn't be any of it left when I went to the store.

jmonroe

Just a wild theory....but, if you buy a Genesis you are buying the car because you are getting a car comparable to a Mercedes, BMW, Audi, for a lower price.....which is fine.
My concern would be what will it be worth as a trade-in? And, what if I don't want another Genesis and if I show up at the MB, Audi, BMW dealer and want to trade how much will I get for it?

Even after 6 or 7 years of driving I don't like to be told there is no demand for my trade-in, so it is not worth much. You could be stuck getting another Genesis...not too bad, but, I like having as many options as possible.

If resale is your main concern just buy a Honda or Toyota.

Enjoying driving the car is my main concern......but, I consider resale value too. I don't like trying to trade in a car nobody wants. Imagine trying to buy a 2005 BMW and you brought your 2000 Aztek as your trade.

btw....there is a similarity OF in the Venue and Soul....small lights over the larger lights - squarish grill.

Trade my Aztek? No way! I’d be saving it until it came back into fashion and then clean up at Barrett-Jackson.

Actually, when I see one these days....they kind of look cool. They are so ugly they look in. Last time I saw one I thought that might be fun to actually drive around in.

ruking1

snakeweasel said:

tjc78 said:

ruking1 said:

tjc78 said:

https://www.usda.gov/oce/foodwaste/faqs.htm

...”The United States currently does not have a single baseline estimate of food loss and waste”...

Yet, they want to reduce not even one baseline food waste study by 50%? 50%/0 zero=0 zero?

If you are going to quote the article, let’s not take it out of context...complete quote

What baseline estimates of food loss and waste will be used to measure progress in reaching the 50 percent reduction goal?
The United States currently does not have a single baseline estimate of food loss and waste. Instead, two very different measures describe the amount of food loss and waste in the United States:

EPA estimates: 2010 was selected as a baseline at 218.9 pounds of food waste per person sent for disposal. The 2030 FLW reduction goal aims to reduce food waste going to landfills by 50 percent to 109.4 pounds per person.
USDA estimates the amount of food loss and waste from the food supply at the retail and consumer levels: in 2010 food loss and waste at the retail and consumer levels was 31 percent of the food supply, equaling 133 billion pounds and almost $162 billion.

Now, I’ll ask one more time.. where is your source of the 95.5%?

I would like a clear definition of food waste.

I have an orange, I eat the orange and throw away the peel. The peel by definition is waste but is it considered food waste as stated above? 

When it does comes out, it will probably be falsely linked to global warming.

Here’s a link to farmer Al who helped to start the organic movement. https://www.froghollow.com/

Sentence # 2, yes/no many uses/things can be made with orange rind. It’s basically TMI for this board.

Michaell

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

*My friend has a 2015 Audi RS 8....says it cost $120k when he bought it.
*He was looking at new ones and the dealer says they would give him $45000 as a trade in.
*He is disappointed his car has low mileage, only uses it half the year, and it is worth so little.
*Salesman says it is out of warranty and a repair could easily be $6000.
*Salesman said not too many people are buying expensive cars....they lease them because the value is falling and people are uncertain whether electric is going to take over, they don't want to be stuck with a gas burner if out of favor.
*We decided, for people like us, we should get either a used big luxury car.......maybe executive driven so the big depreciation hit will be in our favor, and since we do few miles we can benefit from a lower price,
OR
Since we only use the car for half a year we should downsize to an A4 or C Class (or 3 Series) where the car won't sit in a garage and depreciate a huge amount every year.
*I wonder if todays cars will make good used cars...because a lot of the electronics and stuff make them complicated and expensive to fix.

Not enough information, what are the actual miles, etc? . You already said the loss is -minus $75,000, or - minus 16% per year.

If only driven 6 months a year, I'll guess the annual mileage is 5-8K per. In 4 years, that would be 20,000 to 32,000 miles. That's a big drop for so few miles, but I agree with the dealer that there aren't a lot of folks lining up to buy a 4 year old Audi for $45K (or more).

I'm of the belief that if you can truly afford a car that costs 120K, you shouldn't be concerned about depreciation just like a guy who buys a V8 shouldn't be concerned with gas mileage. You can only pretend so long.

jmonroe

Gas mileage isn't going to add up the way depreciation can. It hurts to pay $120000, and then 4 years later want to trade into a similar car and have to pay $80000 difference....that is costing $20000 a year in depreciation. In this case leasing is probably a lot less.

Like I said, if you're concerned with depreciation, you're in a league you can't afford to be in.

jmonroe

Don't most people who know about cars.....consider depreciation to some degree? I consider it, it is one reason (not the main one) that I would consider going to a C Class car next time around. I got the E size mostly for the trip to Florida and back, and I like the safety a larger car offers - we may be alive because of the E400, or at least able to walk, but, I think I could be content with a C a 3 or an A4.

Since I have a track record of keeping cars 6 or 7 years I don't give depreciation any thought at all. Now, if I only kept my cars 2 or 3 years, then yeah, I'd consider depreciation. Life is good in the slow lane and that is fine for me but I know it isn't for everybody. If everyone liked chocolate ice cream there wouldn't be any of it left when I went to the store.

jmonroe

Just a wild theory....but, if you buy a Genesis you are buying the car because you are getting a car comparable to a Mercedes, BMW, Audi, for a lower price.....which is fine.
My concern would be what will it be worth as a trade-in? And, what if I don't want another Genesis and if I show up at the MB, Audi, BMW dealer and want to trade how much will I get for it?

Even after 6 or 7 years of driving I don't like to be told there is no demand for my trade-in, so it is not worth much. You could be stuck getting another Genesis...not too bad, but, I like having as many options as possible.

If resale is your main concern just buy a Honda or Toyota.

Enjoying driving the car is my main concern......but, I consider resale value too. I don't like trying to trade in a car nobody wants. Imagine trying to buy a 2005 BMW and you brought your 2000 Aztek as your trade.

btw....there is a similarity OF in the Venue and Soul....small lights over the larger lights - squarish grill.

Trade my Aztek? No way! I’d be saving it until it came back into fashion and then clean up at Barrett-Jackson.

Actually, when I see one these days....they kind of look cool. They are so ugly they look in. Last time I saw one I thought that might be fun to actually drive around in.

You could channel your inner Walter White!

PF_Flyer

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

houdini2 said:

Mazda is finally bringing the CX5 diesel to U.S. Supposedly this Fall. It doesn't appear to get much better mpg than their gas version. Not much, if any, of the new tech they were touting.

Also Hyundai is touting smallest SUV for U.S. this year. The Venue. Looks to be a city car or grocery getter, but a cute little dude.

I'm calling it now... that CX-5 will flop. I like the idea of a diesel... but in the US they never seem to take off.

A smaller SUV than the Kona? Wow, that's going to be tiny.

The Kona is pretty small.

Hyundai just announced an even smaller CUV, called the Venue (dumb name), a bit more upright and traditional looking. Just what the world needs.

Odd, it is supposed to be small but doesn't look too small...at least it looks boxy and substantial.

Price point supposed to be to start about $17K. A lot of people will be interested in affordable, basic transportation

Michaell

PF_Flyer said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

houdini2 said:

Mazda is finally bringing the CX5 diesel to U.S. Supposedly this Fall. It doesn't appear to get much better mpg than their gas version. Not much, if any, of the new tech they were touting.

Also Hyundai is touting smallest SUV for U.S. this year. The Venue. Looks to be a city car or grocery getter, but a cute little dude.

I'm calling it now... that CX-5 will flop. I like the idea of a diesel... but in the US they never seem to take off.

A smaller SUV than the Kona? Wow, that's going to be tiny.

The Kona is pretty small.

Hyundai just announced an even smaller CUV, called the Venue (dumb name), a bit more upright and traditional looking. Just what the world needs.

Odd, it is supposed to be small but doesn't look too small...at least it looks boxy and substantial.

Price point supposed to be to start about $17K. A lot of people will be interested in affordable, basic transportation

Despite its looks, FWD only. Similar to the Nissan Kicks.

fintail

I just saw IMCDB claims it is an 80, but probably little difference in those cars, they were debating specific badge and mirror styles.

The seats in your pic are what I recall in the movie (can't find a pic), a somewhat unusual looking high back bench with a maybe slightly coarse looking fabric.

The wood on the hood and the gas door location always amused me, too.

tjc78 said:

The seats are clearly wrong. The movie car certainly had the twead material. I do believe it's an 81, based on the LTD name plate above the glove box and the door panels.

I couldn't find a pic of the beige... but this is the interior the truckster had.

henryn

driver100 said:

Trade my Aztek? No way! I’d be saving it until it came back into fashion and then clean up at Barrett-Jackson.

Actually, when I see one these days....they kind of look cool. They are so ugly they look in. Last time I saw one I thought that might be fun to actually drive around in.


-=-=-=-==-=-=- end quoted material -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Anyone remember the VW Thing? Now there's a definite case of so ugly it's cool!

jipster

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

ruking1

And here I thought you were going to show a link to that attractive young lady.

The two issues might be instructive 1. DIY vs dealer body shop work 2 logistics supply chain.

sda

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Overall I think it looks good. You can probably get a replacement mirror insert thru Rock Auto, and mirror cap on eBay. A decent cleaning inside and out, perhaps wax, and it will be good to go. It doesn’t look abused and with recent service records, tires, that’s promising.

driver100

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Show us the picture of the young lady and I will give you some tips.
Why wouldn't someone vacuum and straighten the front mat before taking a picture?

The broken side mirror says something too.......that could cost a few $100 to fix.
Overall looks in nice shape....I just find it hard to justify $7800 for a car with 100000 miles which is about 10 years of driving life gone forever, when you could lease a Venue for probably $200 a month for 3 years, then when the kid is working buy it back for $11000 and it will be a car he can use for another 7 or 8 years and not have to pay to have it towed away....but, that is just my opinion Jip.

tjc78

fintail said:

I just saw IMCDB claims it is an 80, but probably little difference in those cars, they were debating specific badge and mirror styles.

The seats in your pic are what I recall in the movie (can't find a pic), a somewhat unusual looking high back bench with a maybe slightly coarse looking fabric.

The wood on the hood and the gas door location always amused me, too.

tjc78 said:

The seats are clearly wrong. The movie car certainly had the twead material. I do believe it's an 81, based on the LTD name plate above the glove box and the door panels.

I couldn't find a pic of the beige... but this is the interior the truckster had.

Yes, the Movie car is an 80. In 81 the outside mirrors changed. The 81+ have the mirrors attached with a little arm versus a more integrated unit on the 79-80.

You are correct, there aren't many things that changed from 79-81.

jipster

driver100 said:

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Show us the picture of the young lady and I will give you some tips.
Why wouldn't someone vacuum and straighten the front mat before taking a picture?

The broken side mirror says something too.......that could cost a few $100 to fix.
Overall looks in nice shape....I just find it hard to justify $7800 for a car with 100000 miles which is about 10 years of driving life gone forever, when you could lease a Venue for probably $200 a month for 3 years, then when the kid is working buy it back for $11000 and it will be a car he can use for another 7 or 8 years and not have to pay to have it towed away....but, that is just my opinion Jip.

Mrs. Jip catch me posting photos of attractive young ladies...I get this... :@

But, the sale.price on this one is $5,800. You must be thinking of that Fusion I had written about. I'm thinking she'd go $5,000. Afraid if I offered Edmunds TMV I'd get beat up.($3,600)

oldfarmer50

sda said:

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Overall I think it looks good. You can probably get a replacement mirror insert thru Rock Auto, and mirror cap on eBay. A decent cleaning inside and out, perhaps wax, and it will be good to go. It doesn’t look abused and with recent service records, tires, that’s promising.

Yep, I’ve replaced the mirror glass for $20-40 at Autozone. They even have the heating element.

The 3.0L has good power but it’s no race car so unless your kid is a maniac it should be just right.

As far as the pretty young girl goes, I’d play the frail old man card and tell her you couldn’t fix all that damage on your own from your walker and start weeping that it will eat up your whole social security check unless she comes down on the price. Stumble a bit and pretend to forget where you are.

Two can play that game.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Show us the picture of the young lady and I will give you some tips.
Why wouldn't someone vacuum and straighten the front mat before taking a picture?

The broken side mirror says something too.......that could cost a few $100 to fix.
Overall looks in nice shape....I just find it hard to justify $7800 for a car with 100000 miles which is about 10 years of driving life gone forever, when you could lease a Venue for probably $200 a month for 3 years, then when the kid is working buy it back for $11000 and it will be a car he can use for another 7 or 8 years and not have to pay to have it towed away....but, that is just my opinion Jip.

Mrs. Jip catch me posting photos of attractive young ladies...I get this... :@

But, the sale.price on this one is $5,800. You must be thinking of that Fusion I had written about. I'm thinking she'd go $5,000. Afraid if I offered Edmunds TMV I'd get beat up.($3,600)

Man, Edmunds is brutal on older car values. Only 9 years old and worth nothing? What does KBB say? Never mind, I checked, in your area in “good” condition (couldn’t give it better because of the damage) KBB says $5600. Quite a spread from Edmunds.

driver100

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Show us the picture of the young lady and I will give you some tips.
Why wouldn't someone vacuum and straighten the front mat before taking a picture?

The broken side mirror says something too.......that could cost a few $100 to fix.
Overall looks in nice shape....I just find it hard to justify $7800 for a car with 100000 miles which is about 10 years of driving life gone forever, when you could lease a Venue for probably $200 a month for 3 years, then when the kid is working buy it back for $11000 and it will be a car he can use for another 7 or 8 years and not have to pay to have it towed away....but, that is just my opinion Jip.

Mrs. Jip catch me posting photos of attractive young ladies...I get this... :@

But, the sale.price on this one is $5,800. You must be thinking of that Fusion I had written about. I'm thinking she'd go $5,000. Afraid if I offered Edmunds TMV I'd get beat up.($3,600)

If it looks good for $5000 it could be the answer. I have a feeling the young lady is the front man for the curbsider who is watching from behind the curtains in the house.

ab348

Probably ample Fusions with the same parts available in junkyards. I like that, the interior looks good.

henryn

So if no one else is going to ask, then I will: How do you know it's an attractive young lady if you haven't gone to look at the car yet?

dino001

I just got Edmunds' email that I received 500 likes badge. So I repeat after Sally Fields - YOU LIKE ME!!!

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Overall I think it looks good. You can probably get a replacement mirror insert thru Rock Auto, and mirror cap on eBay. A decent cleaning inside and out, perhaps wax, and it will be good to go. It doesn’t look abused and with recent service records, tires, that’s promising.

Yep, I’ve replaced the mirror glass for $20-40 at Autozone. They even have the heating element.

The 3.0L has good power but it’s no race car so unless your kid is a maniac it should be just right.

As far as the pretty young girl goes, I’d play the frail old man card and tell her you couldn’t fix all that damage on your own from your walker and start weeping that it will eat up your whole social security check unless she comes down on the price. Stumble a bit and pretend to forget where you are.

Two can play that game.

Like Driver in his Superman Costume, I'm a finely tuned athletic machine! We tennis players are.lean and mean. LOL

Thought it'd be a couple hundred dollars to fix that mirror. Auto Zone.sounds pretty good.

When I text drove the smaller 2.5 liter Milan a few 6 months ago, felt plenty powerful. This engine I just read was 240hp. I guess it's the 3.0 Duratec supped up a bit.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

Any thoughts on this Mercury Milan? Suppose to go look at.it tomorrow. Not available for showing today. It's the V-6 engine. 200hp I believe. Too much power for a teenage boy? Owner said she's.owned the car since 2014. Priced a bit high. Saw the ad on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. The owner is an attractive young lady. So that may negate some of my negotiating skills. Hope I don't end up paying more than asking price. ;-)
https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercury-milan-premier/6868881700.html

Show us the picture of the young lady and I will give you some tips.
Why wouldn't someone vacuum and straighten the front mat before taking a picture?

The broken side mirror says something too.......that could cost a few $100 to fix.
Overall looks in nice shape....I just find it hard to justify $7800 for a car with 100000 miles which is about 10 years of driving life gone forever, when you could lease a Venue for probably $200 a month for 3 years, then when the kid is working buy it back for $11000 and it will be a car he can use for another 7 or 8 years and not have to pay to have it towed away....but, that is just my opinion Jip.

Mrs. Jip catch me posting photos of attractive young ladies...I get this... :@

But, the sale.price on this one is $5,800. You must be thinking of that Fusion I had written about. I'm thinking she'd go $5,000. Afraid if I offered Edmunds TMV I'd get beat up.($3,600)

Man, Edmunds is brutal on older car values. Only 9 years old and worth nothing? What does KBB say? Never mind, I checked, in your area in “good” condition (couldn’t give it better because of the damage) KBB says $5600. Quite a spread from Edmunds.

Yep. She's.right on top of KBB. So somebody's formula for computing cars value is out of whack. Shouldn't be such a huge difference. It worked the first time (using Edmunds TTV) when I bought the 2007 Kia Optima I gave to my daughter. Helped some in lowering the price of that Sonata I looked at last week.

driver100

henryn said:

So if no one else is going to ask, then I will: How do you know it's an attractive young lady if you haven't gone to look at the car yet?

Sometimes you can just tell from the voice......but, sometimes that doesn't work too well.

jipster

henryn said:

So if no one else is going to ask, then I will: How do you know it's an attractive young lady if you haven't gone to look at the car yet?

She advertised on both Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. On Facebook, which I think makes this safer for a buyer, her profile and posting history pops up. Photos. She's a reporter for our local news station. Now, she's an attractive young lady, so I assume she has her burley boyfriend (in her photos) with her when people go look at the car.

driver100

dino001 said:

I just got Edmunds' email that I received 500 likes badge. So I repeat after Sally Fields - YOU LIKE ME!!!

Congratulations! We are trying to boost your moral.

explorerx4

@jipster,
The driver's seat looks darker than the passenger seat, so it looks like mostly a single person(not necessarily marital status ) in it.
The 3.0 is a PI version(Performance Improved not Police Interceptor) as of 2009, so yes, more HP.
You might just be able to replace the mirror cap and glass.
Check out some youtube videos on replacing the mirror assembly.
The wheels don't look stock to me, but not sure.

jipster

explorerx4 said:

@jipster,
The driver's seat looks darker than the passenger seat, so it looks like mostly a single person(not necessarily marital status ) in it.
The 3.0 is a PI version(Performance Improved not Police Interceptor) as of 2009, so yes, more HP.
You might just be able to replace the mirror cap and glass.
Check out some youtube videos on replacing the mirror assembly.
The wheels don't look stock to me, but not sure.

Well the owner looks to be.under 110 pounds, so not too much wear on that seat. ;-)Yeah, I didn't even notice that mirror cap till now. Thought it was just the glass. Looking to negotiate Edmunds at $3,700 ( will have a print out of the price so she doesn't think I'm full of it) When she says get lost, I'll ask her to split the difference between Edmunds ($3,700) and K BB ($5,700).....so we'll for $4,700. If she balks again, I'll say I'm all in at $5,000.

explorerx4

@jipster,
I only noticed the mirror cap because one of my kids recently knocked one off of their Fusion.

ab348

jipster said:

If she balks again, I'll say I'm all in at $5,000.

But what if she bats her eyelashes and pouts?

imidazol97

That side mirror is easily purchased through car-part.com
I would guess it's only heated without the warning lights on it, etc..
Could get one that's black from a recycler so no repaint needed,
and repair it yourself, if you're
handy and want to remove the door panel--see youtube videos.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

henryn said:

So if no one else is going to ask, then I will: How do you know it's an attractive young lady if you haven't gone to look at the car yet?

She advertised on both Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. On Facebook, which I think makes this safer for a buyer, her profile and posting history pops up. Photos. She's a reporter for our local news station. Now, she's an attractive young lady, so I assume she has her burley boyfriend (in her photos) with her when people go look at the car.

Careful, this may be some sort of expose’ of slick car negotiators like you who take advantage of poor beautiful women. You might find yourself on the evening news.

“Coming up, we reveal how a professional car buyer tried to steal our reporter’s car by offering an Edmunds TMV”.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@jipster,
I only noticed the mirror cap because one of my kids recently knocked one off of their Fusion.

Must be a fault with that particular model.