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abacomike

imidazol97 said:

On the Michelin Pilot Sports..., those are designated summer tires. Does that mean @driver100 can't drive the car if it's below 32 deg F in FL?

Actually, true “Summer Performance Tires” should not be driven in areas where ambient outside temperatures are below 50 degrees.  When I had the 2016 CLS400, it had those ultra-high performance summer tires (Pirelli’s).  The tire manufacturer stipulated that driving in temps below 50 degrees could result in damage to the tires.

I have high performance RF tires now on my car and there are no warnings about low-temp driving performance.  I believe it’s due to the fact that they are not true summer ultra-high performance tires.

tjc78

graphicguy said:

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/04/ford-fusion-sport-discontinued-2020/ I was mildly interested in this car when it first came out. I recall going to the Ford dealer where my son bought his ill-fated Ford Fiesta (dangerous transmission). True to form, the sales person said I should test drive the Fusion Sport. They had two of them. Unfortunately, after waiting around for 20 minutes they couldn’t find the keys to either one. Test drive thwarted.

It has to be a quick car straight line, but I’d think your TLX is a sportier ride.

Speaking of the Fusion...my wife really likes the idea of a electric/hybrid car.  I’ve always liked the Fusion since this generation came out so I showed her the Energi Plug in hybrid.  She liked it. 

So may go check one out in a month or so as I get closer to replacing the Elantra. 

Ford has a huge 9k lease cash and MF close to 0.  Residual is god awful but by my calculations should be a sign and drive  lease in the $360 range on a nearly 39k MSRP.  They come very well equipped with all the safety nannies, cooled seats, Sony stereo etc. 

qbrozen

graphicguy said:

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/04/ford-fusion-sport-discontinued-2020/

I was mildly interested in this car when it first came out. I recall going to the Ford dealer where my son bought his ill-fated Ford Fiesta (dangerous transmission). True to form, the sales person said I should test drive the Fusion Sport. They had two of them.

Unfortunately, after waiting around for 20 minutes they couldn’t find the keys to either one. Test drive thwarted.

They've discontinued all of their sedans, right? So this particular one should be no surprise.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

imidazol97 said:

On the Michelin Pilot Sports..., those are designated summer tires. Does that mean @driver100 can't drive the car if it's below 32 deg F in FL?

Actually, true “Summer Performance Tires” should not be driven in areas where ambient outside temperatures are below 50 degrees.  When I had the 2016 CLS400, it had those ultra-high performance summer tires (Pirelli’s).  The tire manufacturer stipulated that driving in temps below 50 degrees could result in damage to the tires.

I have high performance RF tires now on my car and there are no warnings about low-temp driving performance.  I believe it’s due to the fact that they are not true summer ultra-high performance tires.




That’s been my hesitation in buying summer tires. While I don’t drive the Ford (Stang) after the first snow, I do drive occasionally in below freezing temps. I always worried it would damage the rubber or degrade the handling to unsafe levels.

I’d like to see Tire Rack do a real world demonstration of summer tire performance degradation as temperatures went from 50 degrees to 32.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/04/ford-fusion-sport-discontinued-2020/

I was mildly interested in this car when it first came out. I recall going to the Ford dealer where my son bought his ill-fated Ford Fiesta (dangerous transmission). True to form, the sales person said I should test drive the Fusion Sport. They had two of them.

Unfortunately, after waiting around for 20 minutes they couldn’t find the keys to either one. Test drive thwarted.

For that price get a Mustang with 460 hp.

henryn

With destination fees included, the '19 Fusion Sport costs just over $41,000, which is surely the reason why it hasn't sold like hot cakes. Keep in mind that's almost double the price of a base 2.5-liter Fusion S.


When the it was introduced and we drove it back in 2016, the Sport's starting price tag was a lot more palatable, at $34,350. Like Cars Direct notes, a 301-horsepower Camry XSE is cheaper than the 2019 Fusion Sport by more than $5,200, which buys a lot of replacement front tires.

And I expect the Camry will have a lot higher resale value, a few years down the road.

pensfan83

Despite it's weight the Fusion Sport is very quick but that's where the fun stops, at least for me. I really liked my 2011 Fusion Sport and wanted to like the new one but I was let down by the handling, interior, and AWD that wasn't tuned for performance.

jipster

Hey guys, what happened to isellhondas? Haven't seen him post in awhile. Edmunds delete his account again?

stickguy

well, he has a couple of spare accounts, so no excuses allowed.

jmonroe1

jipster said:

roadburner said:

I put PSS tires on my MS3 while the M235i came with them from the factory- I run out of nerve before I run out of grip- amazing tires.

"I run out of nerve before I run out of grip"... now that would be a great performance tire slogan!
I'd copyright that fast before jmonroe steals it. ;-).

Too late.

jmonroe

carnaught

@ilu

jipster said:

Hey guys, what happened to isellhondas? Haven't seen him post in awhile. Edmunds delete his account again?

How ‘bout iluvmysephia1 and fezo? Where are they now?

jmonroe1

berri said:

@cdnpinhead
Standard in much of the Midwest became Amoco, then BP bought them. Amoco had some major research labs and executive offices in the Chicago area back then. Amoco was probably the most popular brand in Chicago back then followed by Shell. I remember as a kid that Standard had those different colored glass globes atop their pumps to reflect the grade of gas.

When I was younger I remember Amoco's claim to fame was that their gas was lead free but still had enough octane to power the big V8's back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. I seem to remember their gas was always a few cents more per gallon, probably because of the lead thingy. Im pretty sure Amoco stood for American Oil Company.

jmonroe

henryn

Everyone had high octane lead free gasoline. The octane (anti-knock) level was not the problem. There was great concern about the unleaded gasoline burning up the exhaust valve seats.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/will-unleaded-gas-burn-exhaust-valves-in-muscle-car-engine/

For the most part, it turned out not to be a big deal. But there were cases ...

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

Hey guys, what happened to isellhondas? Haven't seen him post in awhile. Edmunds delete his account again?

Maybe he and Shifty opened a used car lot.

oldfarmer50

carnaught said:

@ilu

jipster said:

Hey guys, what happened to isellhondas? Haven't seen him post in awhile. Edmunds delete his account again?

How ‘bout iluvmysephia1 and fezo? Where are they now?

Iluv got upset at some of the teasing and I thought fezo was having some health problems. I hope they’re both doing well.

tjc78

Teasing?  It was a bit more than that!  (Rightfully so) 

driver100

imidazol97 said:

On the Michelin Pilot Sports..., those are designated summer tires. Does that mean @driver100 can't drive the car if it's below 32 deg F in FL?

Probably, but, it only goes to 32F or less a few days of the year.......usually only overnight

driver100

tjc78 said:

Teasing?  It was a bit more than that!  (Rightfully so) 

I wonder if he ever got his NISMO?
We sure heard about it a lot.
It was the most talked about car someone never bought.

imidazol97

Did Tbirdmarco leave us?

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

tjc78 said:

Teasing?  It was a bit more than that!  (Rightfully so) 

I wonder if he ever got his NISMO?
We sure heard about it a lot.
It was the most talked about car someone never bought.

I'd say at least two someone's.

jmonroe

tjc78

imidazol97 said:

Did Tbirdmarco leave us?

Active over on CCBA

stickguy

he switched user names for some reason, but still here.

imidazol97

What's his new user name?

cdnpinhead

jmonroe1 said:

I remember Amoco's claim to fame was that their gas was lead free but still had enough octane to power the big V8's back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. . . .. Im pretty sure Amoco stood for American Oil Company.

In fact, Amoco had figured out how to refine gasoline such that they got 91-93 octane without adding tetra-ethyl lead. It was called white gas back then, and was considered the best in the industry. This goes back to the '60s, so there aren't that many of us who remember those times.

cdnpinhead

I also am curious regarding isell and fezo; with luck we'll hear from them in the not-too-distant future.

qbrozen

imidazol97 said:

What's his new user name?

@marcogallo1986

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

It was the most talked about car someone never bought.

There's a lot of that that goes on here. Then there are the ones that are bought and never driven to any extent. Oh well. . .

berri

I seem to also recall American Oil gas stations way back when, but I'm not sure of the locations. Maybe Indiana or the west coast? Maybe American and Standard combined to become Amoco? Throw in Standard, Enco. maybe Chevron and others, and I think they all have genetic lines to the old Rockefeller days.

oldfarmer50

I think I’m gonna buy me a ticket.

https://youtu.be/FkUEjI2dB7g

qbrozen

OMG. I'm extremely impressed by that trailer.

I'm also quite saddened because the only person in my life who would have been as psyched as me to see it would have been my dad.

PF_Flyer

It will depend on how realistic the racing scenes come across (hope they didn't shoot it to make a 3d version with crashing cars flying at the camera), but that looks like it will be a fun watch!

Sort of leads to the question about best racing/car movies...heh

Michaell

Looking forward to that movie, as well.

However, "Gimme Shelter" was released in 1969, I think, and the events of the movie were in 1965-1967.

Sigh.

abacomike

cdnpinhead said:

I remember Amoco's claim to fame was that their gas was lead free but still had enough octane to power the big V8's back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. . . .. Im pretty sure Amoco stood for American Oil Company.

In fact, Amoco had figured out how to refine gasoline such that they got 91-93 octane without adding tetra-ethyl lead. It was called white gas back then, and was considered the best in the industry. This goes back to the '60s, so there aren't that many of us who remember those times.

I remember “white gas” from Amoco.  My Dad used to buy a gallon every time we went to a Forest Preserve on Long Island for a picnic cookout.  I think it was Cunningham Park.  He had this portable burner that worked like a gas stove once it was opened up and laid flat.  He would use a funnel to pour the white gasoline into the tank attached to the portable stove. He had to use the attached pump which would pressurize the gasoline fumes.  He would then open the jets using valves and ignite the flame on the stove.  It would boil water for hot dogs and even cook ribs in a frying pan.

Yep, Amoco white was the only gasoline he could use.  Boy, this sure brought back some great memories I hadn’t thought about in over 50 years.

PF_Flyer

Not in any order, and I'm sure there are plenty of others, but 3 movies flashed right to my brain. Fun stuff

James Garner in Grand Prix



Clark Gable in To Please a Lady



Mickey Rooney in The Big Wheel

omarman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=228f-dPxI3Q

henryn

White gas? The only thing that comes to my mind is my father using it to kill bugs in a roach infested building. It worked pretty good for that.

I did like that trailer. Might be worth going to the theater to see on the big screen.

oldfarmer50

omarman said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=228f-dPxI3Q

There was a rumor that the asbestos mask McQueen use in that movie and his racing career is what caused his lung cancer.

explorerx4

Le Mans is definitely my favorite, put the poster on the wall when I was a teenager, although I also like Days of Thunder.
Not sure how I feel about Matt Damon(a younger Scott Glenn would have been a good fit) as Shelby, but Christian Bale as Ken Miles seems to be a great edgy character.
'Gimme Shelter' gave me goose bumps watch the trailer.

explorerx4

I'm pretty sure 2019 is the last year for the Fusion Sport.
They pretty much come one way, loaded, for 41k msrp.
Nav, sunroof, heated seats, stop and go cruise.
A dealer in NY, about 1 1/2 hours away has 7 last time I checked.
Probably will look in August.
I really like my current Fusion, although it's a heavy car with a 1.5 liter turbo, so kind of slow.
Fits 5 people comfortably if back seat passengers are under 6 ft.
Mileage is good @29 mpg.

henryn

explorerx4 said:

I'm pretty sure 2019 is the last year for the Fusion Sport.
They pretty much come one way, loaded, for 41k msrp.
Nav, sunroof, heated seats, stop and go cruise.
A dealer in NY, about 1 1/2 hours away has 7 last time I checked.
Probably will look in August.
I really like my current Fusion, although it's a heavy car with a 1.5 liter turbo, so kind of slow.
Fits 5 people comfortably if back seat passengers are under 6 ft.
Mileage is good @29 mpg.

I can testify that you WILL like the 2.7L ecoboost engine in that Fusion Sport. No idea about the rest of the car, but the engine you will like. If that engine can make a hot rod out of a crewcab F150, imagine what it will do in a sedan?

roadburner

Today there was little traffic on my 12 mile commute, and almost every traffic light was green. The result was that the Clubman returned 49.7 mpg(adjusted, since the OBC is 5% optimistic). The drive home was a bit more congested so adjusted mileage for the round trip was 42.0 mpg.
Still, I’ll take it. 

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

I'm pretty sure 2019 is the last year for the Fusion Sport.
They pretty much come one way, loaded, for 41k msrp.
Nav, sunroof, heated seats, stop and go cruise.
A dealer in NY, about 1 1/2 hours away has 7 last time I checked.
Probably will look in August.
I really like my current Fusion, although it's a heavy car with a 1.5 liter turbo, so kind of slow.
Fits 5 people comfortably if back seat passengers are under 6 ft.
Mileage is good @29 mpg.

The Sport is pretty rare in my area, in fact local dealers don’t have much of a selection at all. Mostly SE trims.

omarman

McQueen recalled stripping asbestos off pipes in a ship’s engine room during his service in the U.S. Marine Corps. He later worked around sound stage insulation and wore fireproof racing suits that likely contained asbestos.

It was everywhere then and even now. I read a Wiki claim that an estimated 1,000 tons of asbestos was released into the air following the WTC buildings' destruction.

ab348

I don’t know about that casting. The choices for Shelby, Iacocca and HFII seem way off. Maybe the script can overcome that. I have my doubts though.

explorerx4

Guess I'm not sure about the casting for HF II.
https://toofab.com/2019/06/03/henry-ford-son-unhappy-matt-damon-christian-bale-ford-v-ferrari/

I will say that I didn't think much of Damon being cast in 'True Grit', but did make his character work.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Hey guys, what happened to isellhondas? Haven't seen him post in awhile. Edmunds delete his account again?

Maybe he and Shifty opened a used car lot.

The car lot would probably be called "Isellhondas" as it surely wouldn't be called "Shifty's".

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

It was the most talked about car someone never bought.

There's a lot of that that goes on here. Then there are the ones that are bought and never driven to any extent. Oh well. . .

I still need a car..............

explorerx4

@henryn,
The 2.7 is an amazing engine. I'm sure there is a lot of power management(limiting) designed into a Fusion with it.

driver100

Best car racing movies....agree with others, but did we mention RUSH?
https://youtu.be/sT_arCRoDHk
Ford V Ferrari looks good, can't wait.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@henryn,
The 2.7 is an amazing engine. I'm sure there is a lot of power management(limiting) designed into a Fusion with it.

Ford seems to have done a good job with it’s turbocharged engines. I haven’t heard much bad about them.