Jay- Management decisions like that is why Wards is no longer with us. I think a lot of auto dealers have that same decision making style.
Montgomery Wards is gone ??
I actually never shopped in a Wards or bought anything from their catalogue. They were very big in the Chicago area and I remember their commercials.
When I went to a mall, I do remember seeing their stores, but I resisted going in mainly because they were not well lit inside. I get a similar feeling when I see Sears now. I heard they are closing many, many stores. It would be a shame to see them go the way Wards did.
I always bought my Craftsman tools there - all guaranteed for life. Their appliances were always first-rate.
The Keystone XL is a prime example of lies, damn lies, statistics in works. Boths sides. I listened a show, where the host listed assumptions of BS mallarky pieces called research by either sides. Here are my favorites:
Opponents: For carbon emission contribution, assume the oil will not be sold without the pipeline (essentially stay in the ground), it will displace the cleanest oil currently used by the destination refineries (so delta us highest possible), and couple of more equally ridiculous assumptions. Proponents: Use similar methodology for new job impact, as those used for Superbowl (essentially assume zero economic activity in case), inflated multipliers, etc. Same thing regarding impact on oil and gas prices. I think it will probably better if built, but the benefits are probably less than quarter of those advertised.
Embelishments, exaggerations, lies. Both sides. Disgusting.
Mike, I think it's true for all sales jobs. Retail used to be a career, today it's a menial job. Wall Street decided long time ago skills are not needed in sales (they are wrong of course and the approach is visibly collapsing, as it exhausted its course, just look at number of bankrupt or near bankrupt retailers and last Walmart wage announcement). Same disease is getting to car retail business, for bigger and bigger entities own those stores. Those owners confuse no formal education (not needed in sales) with actual lack of skills. It will have to get worse before it gets better. Or coversely, all salespeople will get replaced by computers and robots. It's possible, if people decide they don't want an interaction.
Mike, I think it's true for all sales jobs. Retail used to be a career, today it's a menial job. Wall Street decided long time ago skills are nit needed in sales (they are wrong of course and the approach is visibly collapsing, as it exhausted its course, just look at number of bankrupt or near bankrupt retailers and last Walmart wage announcement). Same disease is getting to car retail business, for bigger and bigger entities own those stores. Those owners confuse no formal education (not needed in sales) with actual lack of skills. It will have to get worse before it gets better. Or coversely, all salespeople will get replaced by computers and robots. It's possible, if people decide they don't want an interaction.
Just had a long talk with my son in California. He says he is feeling much better now that the harsh radiation treatments have ended. In about 8 weeks, he goes in for another full body MRI to make sure there has been no recurrence of the cancer.
We discussed his upcoming visit to South Florida sometime in July. I'm thinking of taking him to Hilton Head SC to a resort where he can play golf and just kick back and relax. Other options we talked about include Sanibel Island near Naples, FL (just across the peninsula on the west coast), Islamorada (just south of Key Largo) or Key West. Just want to spend some quality time with him.
GG, inertia is common. I was at a company a long time. Not happy, but comfy. Settled. I finally left after a merger and rif " purge". Ended up at a different company and the change was incredible. Wished I had done it years earlier.
Just look at why you stay. Do you really want to be there? Sounds like you must be close enough to retirement age that you should do something you want to be.
Just had a long talk with my son in California. He says he is feeling much better now that the harsh radiation treatments have ended. In about 8 weeks, he goes in for another full body MRI to make sure there has been no recurrence of the cancer.
We discussed his upcoming visit to South Florida sometime in July. I'm thinking of taking him to Hilton Head SC to a resort where he can play golf and just kick back and relax. Other options we talked about include Sanibel Island near Naples, FL (just across the peninsula on the west coast), Islamorada (just south of Key Largo) or Key West. Just want to spend some quality time with him.
Mike - Really, really glad to see your son is doing so well. He deserves some time to kick back and enjoy himself with his Dad.
Just had a long talk with my son in California. He says he is feeling much better now that the harsh radiation treatments have ended. In about 8 weeks, he goes in for another full body MRI to make sure there has been no recurrence of the cancer.
We discussed his upcoming visit to South Florida sometime in July. I'm thinking of taking him to Hilton Head SC to a resort where he can play golf and just kick back and relax. Other options we talked about include Sanibel Island near Naples, FL (just across the peninsula on the west coast), Islamorada (just south of Key Largo) or Key West. Just want to spend some quality time with him.
Mike - Really, really glad to see your son is doing so well. He deserves some time to kick back and enjoy himself with his Dad.
Exactly!!!
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Just had a long talk with my son in California. He says he is feeling much better now that the harsh radiation treatments have ended. In about 8 weeks, he goes in for another full body MRI to make sure there has been no recurrence of the cancer.
We discussed his upcoming visit to South Florida sometime in July. I'm thinking of taking him to Hilton Head SC to a resort where he can play golf and just kick back and relax. Other options we talked about include Sanibel Island near Naples, FL (just across the peninsula on the west coast), Islamorada (just south of Key Largo) or Key West. Just want to spend some quality time with him.
Mike - Really, really glad to see your son is doing so well. He deserves some time to kick back and enjoy himself with his Dad.
Just had a long talk with my son in California. He says he is feeling much better now that the harsh radiation treatments have ended. In about 8 weeks, he goes in for another full body MRI to make sure there has been no recurrence of the cancer.
We discussed his upcoming visit to South Florida sometime in July. I'm thinking of taking him to Hilton Head SC to a resort where he can play golf and just kick back and relax. Other options we talked about include Sanibel Island near Naples, FL (just across the peninsula on the west coast), Islamorada (just south of Key Largo) or Key West. Just want to spend some quality time with him.
Mike - Really, really glad to see your son is doing so well. He deserves some time to kick back and enjoy himself with his Dad.
Mike....I second VENTURE;s sentiments.
More hijcacking by me. I knew I had the exact right group here to bounce ideas off of. ALL OF YOU make very good points.
I'm taking a few days off because this decision is probably life changing for me. Need to think it through (and, I've got 60 days of vacation I've rolled over throught the years that I may not be able to cash in on).
I figure I'm working for another 10 years. That way, the wife (a teacher) and I can retire together. As she'll be the first to tell anyone, being a teacher for the first 10 years makes you wonder why you chose such a profession (she taught inner-city her first 10). The reward comes on the back end, as she's maxed out whatever retirement she could. On her retirement alone, we'd be comfortable. With both of us, we'll be fine. We both still like our work. So, onward and upward.
As for me, it's flattering to know someone values you more than your currently incumbent company. After taking stock of my service with the company, I've built a marketing force and a sales force that I will put up against any others, big or small, in the tech industry. They all have high motors. They all feel like they have to ;prove to themselves every day that they are the best. And, for the most part, they're loyal to me. Unfortunately, it seems every year, I have some turnover, especially in the sales dept. But, from what I'm hearing from you guys, that's not unusual across industries. I've told my sales force over and over in the past....your number (quota) is the biggest measuring stick that you can affect. No, you can't be a felon, you can't have drug or alcohol problems (have dealt with that in some people over the years....not pleasant). I brought them on board because I believed and trusted in them. Don't betray it, and you'll love me as a boss.
I have been promoted, but have been passed up for promotions just as much. I've probably gone about as far as I can go with the company. Not a deal breaker, but I do believe I have more to offer.
But, it's defense contracts we live on. As such, it's filled with sleazy, back room, slap the customer on the back, "wink-wink" as they shake your hand while trying to "gift" their way to earn business types. They don't call vendors to the U.S. Gov't "Beltway Bandits" for nothing.
I can't.....no....make that "WON'T" entertain that as a way to do business. I know I've missed out on lots of business because of that stance. When things are going good, my Board and my boss (the President) take no notice. When we plateau, like now, I'm "urged" to look at "other ways" to earn business. I know what they mean. Still won't do it. Let's just say I don't get any congratulatory comments by sticking to my beliefs (more like sideways glances). Made it this far, won't start comprimising now.
New company.....highly regarded...much bigger than my current company....in a totally different industry (non-defense related but still in tech field). Interviewed with them 6 times over the last month. All went well...I liked everyone I met with. Don't have to get rid of my home office, but will be doing more travelling than I have over the past couple of years if I accept. About 30% higher salary, bigger bonus structure, some nice perks with the potential new company. That is nothing to sneeze at. Same duties as my current company.....(re) build sales force. Rework the marketing dept. Set direction for both and advise company on marketing strategy.
They've given me a deadline of next week to give them a decision.
I think it's only fair to approach my current company with what's going on. We'll see what they say. Not looking forward to that conversation because it could go either way....contentious ("all we've done for you and you're leaving"....or...."don't let the door hit you in the poseterior on the way out").
Thanks again for letting me bounce this off you guys. Lots of smart people in here.
Companies have no loyalty so I don't think "fairness" comes into play. If you decide to jump ship, I'd tell your company after you've decided to jump ship. If you tell them now and decide to stay, they'll just figure you're going to catch the next (better) train that comes along, and treat you accordingly.
Companies have no loyalty so I don't think "fairness" comes into play. If you decide to jump ship, I'd tell your company after you've decided to jump ship. If you tell them now and decide to stay, they'll just figure you're going to catch the next (better) train that comes along, and treat you accordingly.
I guess you know about Glassdoor.
I will second Steve's comments ... loyalty is a two way street.
Sounds like you've done all you can do for your current employer and the next 10 years will be more of a 'status quo' situation.
With the new company, it's a fresh situation - new team, new challenges, new rewards, new frustrations.
You ever done a SWOT analysis? "Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats". Do that for the current job and the new job and see how they line up.
But, 30% increase in pay is hard to ignore .. doesn't matter if you're entry level going from $10/hr to $13/hr or a senior executive going from $200K/year to $260K/year.
Wife took about a 20% pay cut with her last job change two years ago. But, she's now making 10% more than she did when she walked away. She's proven her value to the executive director and has been rewarded accordingly. Step daughter now works for the same organization and takes after her mother. She may be transferring into a new role and I'd be very surprised if she didn't get a raise with the move.
I think you have a 'win win' situation in front of you.
Companies have no loyalty so I don't think "fairness" comes into play. If you decide to jump ship, I'd tell your company after you've decided to jump ship. If you tell them now and decide to stay, they'll just figure you're going to catch the next (better) train that comes along, and treat you accordingly.
I guess you know about Glassdoor.
Welll said Stever and I agree completely. That struck me too as I read GG's post. I think by going in to your present employer you are waffling, you are saying if you can make it worthwhile for me to stay I will stay. And, if they do get you to stay you will really be low man around.....you aren't loyal and you can't be trusted.
The new company sounds like it has a lot of positives compared to the old. Write down a list of the negatives and positives....of staying or leaving.
Since you only have 10 years to go until retirement.....and that will fly by, and since you have a fallback support plan, it sounds like a good time to make the move. What's the worse that can happen, you won't like the new company and will have to look around some more....but, you aren't happy where you are now. You have a chance to make for a brighter happier future. I always say, make your decision and let the chips fall where they may.......keep moving forward!
Just had a long talk with my son in California. He says he is feeling much better now that the harsh radiation treatments have ended. In about 8 weeks, he goes in for another full body MRI to make sure there has been no recurrence of the cancer.
We discussed his upcoming visit to South Florida sometime in July. I'm thinking of taking him to Hilton Head SC to a resort where he can play golf and just kick back and relax. Other options we talked about include Sanibel Island near Naples, FL (just across the peninsula on the west coast), Islamorada (just south of Key Largo) or Key West. Just want to spend some quality time with him.
Mike - Really, really glad to see your son is doing so well. He deserves some time to kick back and enjoy himself with his Dad.
Mike....I second VENTURE;s sentiments.
More hijcacking by me. I knew I had the exact right group here to bounce ideas off of. ALL OF YOU make very good points.
I'm taking a few days off because this decision is probably life changing for me. Need to think it through (and, I've got 60 days of vacation I've rolled over throught the years that I may not be able to cash in on).
I figure I'm working for another 10 years. That way, the wife (a teacher) and I can retire together. As she'll be the first to tell anyone, being a teacher for the first 10 years makes you wonder why you chose such a profession (she taught inner-city her first 10). The reward comes on the back end, as she's maxed out whatever retirement she could. On her retirement alone, we'd be comfortable. With both of us, we'll be fine. We both still like our work. So, onward and upward.
As for me, it's flattering to know someone values you more than your currently incumbent company. After taking stock of my service with the company, I've built a marketing force and a sales force that I will put up against any others, big or small, in the tech industry. They all have high motors. They all feel like they have to ;prove to themselves every day that they are the best. And, for the most part, they're loyal to me. Unfortunately, it seems every year, I have some turnover, especially in the sales dept. But, from what I'm hearing from you guys, that's not unusual across industries. I've told my sales force over and over in the past....your number (quota) is the biggest measuring stick that you can affect. No, you can't be a felon, you can't have drug or alcohol problems (have dealt with that in some people over the years....not pleasant). I brought them on board because I believed and trusted in them. Don't betray it, and you'll love me as a boss.
I have been promoted, but have been passed up for promotions just as much. I've probably gone about as far as I can go with the company. Not a deal breaker, but I do believe I have more to offer.
But, it's defense contracts we live on. As such, it's filled with sleazy, back room, slap the customer on the back, "wink-wink" as they shake your hand while trying to "gift" their way to earn business types. They don't call vendors to the U.S. Gov't "Beltway Bandits" for nothing.
I can't.....no....make that "WON'T" entertain that as a way to do business. I know I've missed out on lots of business because of that stance. When things are going good, my Board and my boss (the President) take no notice. When we plateau, like now, I'm "urged" to look at "other ways" to earn business. I know what they mean. Still won't do it. Let's just say I don't get any congratulatory comments by sticking to my beliefs (more like sideways glances). Made it this far, won't start comprimising now.
New company.....highly regarded...much bigger than my current company....in a totally different industry (non-defense related but still in tech field). Interviewed with them 6 times over the last month. All went well...I liked everyone I met with. Don't have to get rid of my home office, but will be doing more travelling than I have over the past couple of years if I accept. About 30% higher salary, bigger bonus structure, some nice perks with the potential new company. That is nothing to sneeze at. Same duties as my current company.....(re) build sales force. Rework the marketing dept. Set direction for both and advise company on marketing strategy.
They've given me a deadline of next week to give them a decision.
I think it's only fair to approach my current company with what's going on. We'll see what they say. Not looking forward to that conversation because it could go either way....contentious ("all we've done for you and you're leaving"....or...."don't let the door hit you in the poseterior on the way out").
Thanks again for letting me bounce this off you guys. Lots of smart people in here.
GG, maybe I missed this, but does your current company have a retirement plan? If they do, are you currently fully vested? Also, do you have any stock options that you have not exercised? If so, should you before you tell them you might leave? Anything else you need to clean up before the cat is out of the bag?
Mike - good to hear. You and your son deserve a bunch of good quality time. you both have been through the grinder.
GG - I know it's not my decision, but base on what you've been saying and how you've been saying it If I were you I'd jump. I have no doubt you'll have a good next ten years regardless.
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Someone sent me this interesting article about the oil supply, for those who follow these things. Article says storing oil is getting to be a problem in the USA,
According to the article: For the past seven weeks, the United States has been producing and importing an average of 1 million more barrels of oil every day than it is consuming. That extra crude is flowing into storage tanks, especially at the country's main trading hub in Cushing, Oklahoma, pushing U.S. supplies to their highest point in at least 80 years, the Energy Department reported last week.
If this keeps up, storage tanks could approach their operational limits, known in the industry as "tank tops," by mid-April and send the price of crude — and probably gasoline, too — plummeting.
Other options we talked about include Sanibel Island near Naples, FL (just across the peninsula on the west coast), Islamorada (just south of Key Largo) or Key West. Just want to spend some quality time with him.
Mike, great news.....must be so good to have heard this. Great plan to spend some time together.
....(re) build sales force. Rework the marketing dept. Set direction for both and advise company on marketing strategy.
There's no loyalty from companies now a days. You have to look out for #1 (actually, your wife is #1, so you have to look out for #2, you. )
With the job description/responsibilities you described, even if things don't work long term in the new company, your skills will be in such high demand, that you won't have any issues finding another job.
If things don't work out, your only option won't be only going back to your old company. You can go anywhere!
If you look at the long term picture, 30% higher salary will translate into a much more comfortable retirement. Maybe you'll be in a position that you can retire earlier. That 30% extra gives you options.
One word of caution, right now they're saying that you can keep your home office. Make sure that 1 year from now they don't say that you have to move to HQ.
Sadly, in the '90s I realized that job loyalty runs in 2 week cycles; i.e. from paycheck to paycheck. If times get tough most companies won't bat an eye at doing a round of layoffs (and Wall Street typically rewards such behavior so it's actually encouraged).
So no, you don't really have a need to discuss future job plans with your current employer. If management is competent they already know what you're worth and if you aren't getting that now then they know they can treat you unfairly and there's no reason to expect any other behavior should you put them in the position of competing with others. They won't appreciate it.
If you're unsatisfied enough that you're entertaining serious offers then you're ready to leave. Consciously maybe not but subconsciously, yeah, you are.
Dang you guys are smart and make lots of good points.
I know talking this through with my wife, she becomes a dutiful listener, but as she says..."you're so far removed from anything I've experienced I don't know that I can give advice other than to support whatever decision you make".
Good enough. That's all I need.
I'm not unhappy where I'm at. I'm not really happy either. I'm in that spot no one wants to be....ambivalent. I also agree that the days of rewarding employee loyalty are long gone.
Verdugo....I agree, what the terms are today, might not be the terms a year from now.
As most of you point out, if things go sideways, and they ask me to move (to Austin TX where the HQ is) I could always leave. Then again, Austin is a really nice city, too.
Fushigi....one always hopes that the company they work for recognizes their good employees. That's not always a given, though.
houdini....very good point about stock options. I do have them and they are vested. I received more options at the end of 2014. Those won't vest for another 8 months. So, right now I don't care about them. Some shares are underwater right now. So, I don't care about those, either. I have enough stock that as soon as I make the decision to leave/if I make the decision to leave, and start divesting them, it will hit the Presiden's desk. He'll know something's up. Personally, I'd rather not take the capital gains hit right now by selling them. May not have a choice but to sell, but now would not be ideal for me. Matching contributions for the retirement plan were totally vested up until 12/31/14. There are some matching funds that aren't vested for the last 60-90 days. But, those are paper funds.
This is something that has to be talked about face-to-face. If I tell him I'm coming out to CA for a sit down, I have to either state my case and ask for something equivalent to what the new company is offering, or be willing to walk.
Yep, and how many people keep buying the same make/model year after year? Besides Mike's annual Mercedes update that is.
You can always become a consultant. I interviewed in Austin when we were ready for a change from Boise but the traffic is a killer, even if you do work at home.
GG, once you reveal to your current employer that you had been offered a better paying position with another company and you are seriously considering it, things will go downhill for you, IMHO!
My my suggestion is to make the decision about taking the new job or staying at your present job "DEVOID" of any discussions with your current employer. Quite frankly, from your post, the new job probably has more short-term security (3-5 years) than your current job because you will be given sufficient time and resources to get the job done. Does the new job come with a CONTRACT! In other words, will they provide you with a 3-year contract and salary and bonus guarantees? What about benefits?
When teachers came to me to tell me they are considering going to another school (when I was a principal or headmaster), I lost all faith and trust in that individual. However when they came in to my office with the decision already made, I had much more respect for them because they would share the rationale for the decision they made.
Best not to involve your current boss prior to making your decision. Either the new job is the best move or it isn't.
I think it's only fair to approach my current company with what's going on. We'll see what they say. Not looking forward to that conversation because it could go either way....contentious ("all we've done for you and you're leaving"....or...."don't let the door hit you in the poseterior on the way out").
There are a few ways to approach this, depending on how you feel about your company. You haven't painted a very pretty picture, though.
You should first accept the offer (if that is your decision). You need to have that locked up before you do anything else. Yes, if things change, you'd have to go back and basically quit from that job you accepted, but that's just the way its done. You can't take any chances. Then you could feasibly do one of the following: 1. Resign in person, but subtly suggest that you may be open to a counteroffer ("you know, I really want to stay, but this is more money, more growth opportunity, etc") 2. Go in and talk to them as if you don't have another offer, but with no fear of the consequences because you DO have one in your back pocket. This is sort of a test. If they value you, you should not need to pursue a counter. They should give you what you ask, within reason. If they give excuses or tell you its not feasible, then you can resign with peace of mind. 3. Be straight up and tell them you have an offer and ask what they'll do to make you stay.
I don't like option 3, personally. It makes you sound like you are for sale and it is burning a bridge because you are giving them an ultimatum. #2 is, as I said, a test and you have to follow through on it. Only risk here is that they might want to take time to make a decision, in which case you will have to refer to #1. #1 is a more subtle version of #3 that puts the ball in their court without putting pressure on them. They can choose to let you go or fight for you. Either way, it is more of a mutual breakup and leaves that door open as you leave.
I've used numbers 1 and 2 before. #2 resulted in me leaving because they felt no obligation to do anything. It wasn't until I actually resigned that they waffled, but they showed their true nature, so I wasn't going to stay under any circumstances. #1 got me where I am now. It was a hell of an interesting conversation, though. The nice thing about that version is that you don't have to negotiate as long as you are happy with your decision. I was fully willing to leave and head to the new job. They asked "what would it take?" and I gave 1 answer and 1 answer only. They tried to negotiate on it and, much like the Bobst method of buying a car, there was no negotiation on my end. Take it or leave it. I'm perfectly happy moving on.
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Recently, we were talking about a marketing effort on the part of Ford. I just received an interesting email from Chevrolet.
“Here’s your offer on a 2015 Chevrolet Malibu”
They are obviously playing off of the “private offers” that General Motors sometimes makes, which are very real and offer savings of $1,000 to $2,000. The possibility was there, and it was enough to make me click on the link. This time it was nothing, but they did get me to click on the link.
Guess I was lucky, got the pension for 31 years and a cheap gold watch! Unfortunately, I was forced out and wasn't well enough, mentally or physically, to fight back. I had planned to stay another 4 years but things just didn't work out. Looking back, best decision on my part was just to go and collect my pension. The wife is still working, I've got my part time gig and we can afford to live our life. Getting through these next 5 years will be fine and then we'll both retire, me for the 2nd time. Days like today when I really am not feeling well make me happy that I only work 3.5 days/week, my body just can't handle a full time job anymore. Chronic pain is not a fun thing because one never knows how tomorrow will go...I always hope for the best and move forward. All I can do now!
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Best not to involve your current boss prior to making your decision. Either the new job is the best move or it isn't.
Very good point Mike.
GG, another thing to consider is that you don't like what mgmt is asking you to do right now to get business. I think you said those kind of tactics left you feeling "icky."
I think that's your answer right there. Why would you want to work for a company that makes you feel icky?
GG, once you reveal to your current employer that you had been offered a better paying position with another company and you are seriously considering it, things will go downhill for you, IMHO!
My my suggestion is to make the decision about taking the new job or staying at your present job "DEVOID" of any discussions with your current employer. Quite frankly, from your post, the new job probably has more short-term security (3-5 years) than your current job because you will be given sufficient time and resources to get the job done. Does the new job come with a CONTRACT! In other words, will they provide you with a 3-year contract and salary and bonus guarantees? What about benefits?
When teachers came to me to tell me they are considering going to another school (when I was a principal or headmaster), I lost all faith and trust in that individual. However when they came in to my office with the decision already made, I had much more respect for them because they would share the rationale for the decision they made.
Best not to involve your current boss prior to making your decision. Either the new job is the best move or it isn't.
I agree with Mike on approaching your current employer....and make sure you have the employment offer terms set out in writing from your new employer before you talk to your current employer.
GG, one other thing. Most companies and doing everything they can to get rid of employees that are over 50 years old. It is a little bit unusual for someone to be aggressively going after someone in that age group...unless it is a proven successful CEO, etc. Have they talked about what they expect of you?
GG, if you do decide to take the new job, I suggest a few things to do when you meet with your new boss:
*Explain to him why it took you so long to make up your mind about accepting his offer of employment. Tell him that you have been with the same employer for xxx years and have created/developed a sales and marketing team that you are truly supportive of and dedicated to. Additionally, that you have extreme levels of loyalty to your previous employer and the corporation you worked for - a kind of "loyalty" you are expecting to have for your new employer and the new corporation. Explain how important loyalty and respect are to you, not just in the world of business, but also in your private life.
*Express to him the importance of integrity and honesty, something you always shared with your previous employer and the Marketing and Sales Team you developed and nurtured throughout the years.
*Share with your new employer the importance of developing a strong working relationship with your boss - one that is based upon honesty, integrity and respect.
The purpose of the above is to impress upon your new employer that you did not just "jump" at the chance to make more money, but rather wanted/yearned/needed a rejuvenating challenge to continue the high level of motivation you possess.
Just some thoughts to ensure that your new employer fully understands that it was not easy for you to leave a company and co-workers you have worked with and for - for many years. But that you don't want to get stale and need challenges to make your work ethic complete.
Sandman....henry....Mike....Verdugo....all good points. Mike, you're right. Don't get current boss entangled in what should be solely my decision. And, make sure goals and objectives, on both sides, are claerly understoood.
Houdini.....Compensation has guaranteed/salary part and variable part. The salary part is 30% more up front. Variable part is MBO related.....some of it tied to corporate perforamance, some of it is tied to my dept's performance (which in turn is directly impacted by my performance. Obviously, there's a revenue component, and a margin component. The rest is marketing related....amount of published product reviews, social media mentions, etc.
It is an employment contract. But, aside from stipulating comp, severance monies, MBOs, duties, fiduciary and ehtical responsibilities in the cotract, anyone can find any reason to break a contract. They have to pay a fixed amount for terminating the contract early, and I would have to return some upfront monies (sign on bonus), but really that's it.
There are people at an exec level at the company who are interested in me that I've worked with or for in the past. So, they know me. But, as you say, being recruited by a company knowing that I'm on the latter half of my career is unusual. As one person I interviewed with said...."we have toyed with those who are up and comers but without much experience. We've decided to go after the best we can find and hire them." That's before I got the offer, but after the interview. I'm flattered. And, that goes a long way in me taking them seriously.
There are people at an exec level at the company who are interested in me that I've worked with or for in the past. So, they know me. But, as you say, being recruited by a company knowing that I'm on the latter half of my career is unusual. As one person I interviewed with said...."we have toyed with those who are up and comers but without much experience. We've decided to go after the best we can find and hire them." That's before I got the offer, but after the interview. I'm flattered. And, that goes a long way in me taking them seriously.
GG, you got some excellent information from the guys. Just wanted to add a few thoughts...I was an employer in the last round. If someone "threatens" or even tells me they are contemplating leaving, they go way down in my estimation. I find, they are usually bluffing, and I find even if they do stay they think they are worth more than they are since they think I need them more than I do. Plus, all the trust is gone.
I think the idea of having a contract from the new guys is very important.
About age....some companies are smart enough to know experience and a track record can be more important than youth. I had a retired fellow who came to me for a job, he never thought he would work again since he was 65. His references and experience were as good as it gets. He was one of the best people I could have hired. Almost all of our employees were excellent, but I found the older one's actually worked even better. Young people have almost no loyalty, and they sometimes think they're worth more than they are - not always but sometimes. They are often unrealistic too, they don't realize we have to make a profit in order for them to get a salary...they think it just magically happens.
Only you can make the final decision, but this is like buying a car.
I think it's only fair to approach my current company with what's going on. We'll see what they say. Not looking forward to that conversation because it could go either way....contentious ("all we've done for you and you're leaving"....or...."don't let the door hit you in the poseterior on the way out").
Then you could feasibly do one of the following: 1. Resign in person, but subtly suggest that you may be open to a counteroffer 2. Go in and talk to them as if you don't have another offer, but with no fear of the consequences because you DO have one in your back pocket. This is sort of a test. If they value you, you should not need to pursue a counter. They should give you what you ask, within reason. 3. Be straight up and tell them you have an offer and ask what they'll do to make you stay.
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Good stuff qbrozen, sounds like you have done this several times in the past.
Did these plans of actions also work when you wanted to get out of relationships with old girlfriends?
I was always told to try to break up just before a birthday or a holiday when a gift is required.
One of my team members just left to take a better job. When he originally got the offer, he discussed it with me. I told him I would hate to see him go, but it was a better offer, and I thought he should take it. I also advised him to discuss the matter with our boss as she is a reasonable person and not the type to hold a grudge.
He did discuss it with her, but eventually went with the new job. It was too good to pass up. Everyone on our team, and our boss, would be happy if he were to wind up back here at some time in the future.
On the subject of retirement and age related hiring, many companies are reluctant to hire over 50. For those companies who still have an actual pension plan (not that many still do, granted), this becomes important. Say the company offers full retirement at 75 points (age plus years of service). For a 30 year old to earn full retirement, he/she would have to work 23 years. For a 60 year old, he/she would only have to work 8 years to earn the same retirement.
And the older the work force, the more the employer will have to pay for insurance.
Which is one reason I am now working contract. At age 64, no one wants to hire me and provide benefits. It all works out, as I am happy to take the money, I already have one retirement set aside, and I have health insurance through other avenues.
If I were afraid to talk about anything with my present boss, I would consider that to be a negative factor. You should be able to talk to him/her about anything that affects your job, your job performance, your career, anything in those areas.
If I were afraid to talk about anything with my present boss, I would consider that to be a negative factor. You should be able to talk to him/her about anything that affects your job, your job performance, your career, anything in those areas.
Excellent info henryn. I would agree, you should be able to tslk over these matters with your boss...but, if you aren't that happy, and if the culture of the company is not satisfactory, then those things probably aren't going to change enough to make staying on acceptable.
At least with change (a researched and calculated change), there is hope work can be positive and fulfilling.
If I were afraid to talk about anything with my present boss, I would consider that to be a negative factor. You should be able to talk to him/her about anything that affects your job, your job performance, your career, anything in those areas.
I'm with you. Luckily, I have a good relationship with those on my team, and they even tell me when they are going for an interview and ask if I know anything about the company they are visiting. As I tell them, I encourage taking a look at what's out there. I don't fear it because I do everything I can to keep them engaged and provide an enjoyable working environment. I don't, however, control the money, so there is a limit to my power. Even with that caveat, I have only had 1 direct report resign so far in my 4.5 years as department head, and that was because his wife got a job on the other side of the continent.
@driver100 - pretty funny you should say that... I used #2 on a girlfriend once. ;b I'm not proud of it, but I was young and stupid. If its any consolation, I made the wrong choice in that instance. haha. Other times, it was just the "its not you, its me" ploy.
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GG, after all the clarifications, this sounds like it could be a great opportunity for you. It appears that you have done a good job of "vetting" your prospective employer. Whatever you decide, you can be sure that we all wish you the best. Being honest and forthright is not just a good policy in business....it is the ONLY policy.
Matthew McConnahay has been doing endorsement commercials on TV for Lincoln for quite some time now.
I would think the 35-50 year olds are the target. I also believe the targets to be both single male and single female (male because of his macho image and female due to his sexual appeal).
Since he drives most of the models in his commercials, Lincoln is not targeting the SUV or Luxury Sedan segments, but rather more of a mass appeal for luxury "anything we build" approach.
Quite frankly, I find his endorsement commercials to be quite effective in drawing consumers to the Lincoln Showroom because if Matthew truly believes in the product, why not give it a look?
I've driven the sedan and found it pretty nice for the money. They are not as pricy as one would think - an AWD upgraded (Black Tie I think it's called) nicely loaded up MSRP's around $53,000 (V-6 version) and can be had for $48K to $49K I would think.
So, it would seem that these commercials are quite well done and probably achieve what they are intended to achieve - Look One Over.
The ads are working....sales went up since Matthew started. I think all your reasoning is right on. If McConnahay thinks for himself and likes a Lincoln then I guess I could too.....that's the thinking and I think it would work. And yeh, if it is good enough for Matthew then most women are going to think a Lincoln is a great car. Even if the husband says he is thinking of getting a Lincoln his wife will say if it is good enough for MM it is good enough for us.
I have sat in a Lincoln and I kind of like them. You get a fully loaded luxury car for a decent price. I'd consider one if I wanted to save a few bucks on a luxury car purchase...and if it is good enough for Matthew it should be good enough for me.
The ads are brilliant!
Celebrity endorcements do absolutely noting for me. If anything I look at a car that has to hire high priced talent as something to be avoided. One of the posters here did a great review of a Lincoln a while back that would make me more interested in that brand than all the dreamy MM musings put together.
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I have an easy answer of this US vs Canada on who gets the good deal on the KXL pipeline. Let's annex Canada! Combine the best in both countries and while we're at it outlaw those cold air masses they keep hurling at us. So maybe a few people would be upset - like Texas who'd go down a few notches in the biggest states list (heck, they're still pretty touchy about Alaska - "that's not a real state!").
What I'd actually like to see if some real assurance, as oppose to fluff pieces on how they will make this "the safest pipeline is the world." They all leak and the consequences can be devastating. Heck industrial contamination is what quite nearly killed me so I do not take this lightly.
I am not nearly so concerned as to whether the Canadians or Americans make the big money. We're two countries but not by a wide margin.
Don't try to sell that plan in Ottawa. Canadians from my experience are as fiercely nationalistic as Americans.
Btw, congrats on your Prius. In light of the sudden price hikes in gas your timing is brilliant.
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If I were afraid to talk about anything with my present boss, I would consider that to be a negative factor. You should be able to talk to him/her about anything that affects your job, your job performance, your career, anything in those areas.
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Qbrozen said Other times, it was just the "its not you, its me" ploy.
lol That's the one I like to use too!
houdini said: Being honest and forthright is not just a good policy in business....it is the ONLY policy.
Agree 100%. But there are a lot of people who don't see it that way. If they aren't scamming you they aren't winning.....in their eyes.
OF said Celebrity endorcements do absolutely noting for me.
I don't think the ads will affect everyone. But, if you are a potential customer it could just put someone over the edge. It's more than just Matthew. They are talking about people who think for themselves, who do their own thing.....he even liked Lincolns before he was getting paid to make the ads. I can see where some people would like that image.
OF said Don't try to sell that plan in Ottawa. Canadians from my experience are as fiercely nationalistic as Americans
Just IMHO but I don't think Canadians are as nationalistic. We have people hang up flags on Canada Day, but I'd say 1/10 of what you guys do...in proportion I mean. Our Florida place even has a flag holder on it....you would almost never see that back home. We love our country, but Canadians just aren't as strong about it. We are more constrained in most things. Not better....I think the American spirit is a great quality.....just different, in a good way. Both are good ways to be.
It's really nice to be retired with enough income to live comfortably. My wife and I are very lucky and we know it.
I'll be moving in with your family tomorrow as your "adoptive" son!
All kidding aside, yes it is satisfying to those who planned well for their retirement. Congrats for making the right financial decisions that put your family in a comfortable position for the rest of your lives.
It's really nice to be retired with enough income to live comfortably. My wife and I are very lucky and we know it.
I'll be moving in with your family tomorrow as your "adoptive" son!
All kidding aside, yes it is satisfying to those who planned well for their retirement. Congrats for making the right financial decisions that put your family in a comfortable position for the rest of your lives.
I am working towards that. I have enough put away that I will never have to worry about living under a freeway overpass, or eating canned dog food. I guess it all depends on your idea of "comfortable". For the idea of comfortable that many people have, I could have / should have already quit working. But I want to be a "snow bird". Spend my summers somewhere in the mountains ( I truly love the Rockies ), and my winters in Arizona (not too crazy about Florida). In the meantime, I enjoy my job. People depend on me, appreciate me, and I rather enjoy that.
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When I went to a mall, I do remember seeing their stores, but I resisted going in mainly because they were not well lit inside. I get a similar feeling when I see Sears now. I heard they are closing many, many stores. It would be a shame to see them go the way Wards did.
I always bought my Craftsman tools there - all guaranteed for life. Their appliances were always first-rate.
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Opponents:
For carbon emission contribution, assume the oil will not be sold without the pipeline (essentially stay in the ground), it will displace the cleanest oil currently used by the destination refineries (so delta us highest possible), and couple of more equally ridiculous assumptions.
Proponents:
Use similar methodology for new job impact, as those used for Superbowl (essentially assume zero economic activity in case), inflated multipliers, etc. Same thing regarding impact on oil and gas prices. I think it will probably better if built, but the benefits are probably less than quarter of those advertised.
Embelishments, exaggerations, lies. Both sides. Disgusting.
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Just look at why you stay. Do you really want to be there? Sounds like you must be close enough to retirement age that you should do something you want to be.
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More hijcacking by me. I knew I had the exact right group here to bounce ideas off of. ALL OF YOU make very good points.
I'm taking a few days off because this decision is probably life changing for me. Need to think it through (and, I've got 60 days of vacation I've rolled over throught the years that I may not be able to cash in on).
I figure I'm working for another 10 years. That way, the wife (a teacher) and I can retire together. As she'll be the first to tell anyone, being a teacher for the first 10 years makes you wonder why you chose such a profession (she taught inner-city her first 10). The reward comes on the back end, as she's maxed out whatever retirement she could. On her retirement alone, we'd be comfortable. With both of us, we'll be fine. We both still like our work. So, onward and upward.
As for me, it's flattering to know someone values you more than your currently incumbent company. After taking stock of my service with the company, I've built a marketing force and a sales force that I will put up against any others, big or small, in the tech industry. They all have high motors. They all feel like they have to ;prove to themselves every day that they are the best. And, for the most part, they're loyal to me. Unfortunately, it seems every year, I have some turnover, especially in the sales dept. But, from what I'm hearing from you guys, that's not unusual across industries. I've told my sales force over and over in the past....your number (quota) is the biggest measuring stick that you can affect. No, you can't be a felon, you can't have drug or alcohol problems (have dealt with that in some people over the years....not pleasant). I brought them on board because I believed and trusted in them. Don't betray it, and you'll love me as a boss.
I have been promoted, but have been passed up for promotions just as much. I've probably gone about as far as I can go with the company. Not a deal breaker, but I do believe I have more to offer.
But, it's defense contracts we live on. As such, it's filled with sleazy, back room, slap the customer on the back, "wink-wink" as they shake your hand while trying to "gift" their way to earn business types. They don't call vendors to the U.S. Gov't "Beltway Bandits" for nothing.
I can't.....no....make that "WON'T" entertain that as a way to do business. I know I've missed out on lots of business because of that stance. When things are going good, my Board and my boss (the President) take no notice. When we plateau, like now, I'm "urged" to look at "other ways" to earn business. I know what they mean. Still won't do it. Let's just say I don't get any congratulatory comments by sticking to my beliefs (more like sideways glances). Made it this far, won't start comprimising now.
New company.....highly regarded...much bigger than my current company....in a totally different industry (non-defense related but still in tech field). Interviewed with them 6 times over the last month. All went well...I liked everyone I met with. Don't have to get rid of my home office, but will be doing more travelling than I have over the past couple of years if I accept. About 30% higher salary, bigger bonus structure, some nice perks with the potential new company. That is nothing to sneeze at. Same duties as my current company.....(re) build sales force. Rework the marketing dept. Set direction for both and advise company on marketing strategy.
They've given me a deadline of next week to give them a decision.
I think it's only fair to approach my current company with what's going on. We'll see what they say. Not looking forward to that conversation because it could go either way....contentious ("all we've done for you and you're leaving"....or...."don't let the door hit you in the poseterior on the way out").
Thanks again for letting me bounce this off you guys. Lots of smart people in here.
I guess you know about Glassdoor.
Sounds like you've done all you can do for your current employer and the next 10 years will be more of a 'status quo' situation.
With the new company, it's a fresh situation - new team, new challenges, new rewards, new frustrations.
You ever done a SWOT analysis? "Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats". Do that for the current job and the new job and see how they line up.
But, 30% increase in pay is hard to ignore .. doesn't matter if you're entry level going from $10/hr to $13/hr or a senior executive going from $200K/year to $260K/year.
Wife took about a 20% pay cut with her last job change two years ago. But, she's now making 10% more than she did when she walked away. She's proven her value to the executive director and has been rewarded accordingly. Step daughter now works for the same organization and takes after her mother. She may be transferring into a new role and I'd be very surprised if she didn't get a raise with the move.
I think you have a 'win win' situation in front of you.
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The new company sounds like it has a lot of positives compared to the old. Write down a list of the negatives and positives....of staying or leaving.
Since you only have 10 years to go until retirement.....and that will fly by, and since you have a fallback support plan, it sounds like a good time to make the move. What's the worse that can happen, you won't like the new company and will have to look around some more....but, you aren't happy where you are now. You have a chance to make for a brighter happier future. I always say, make your decision and let the chips fall where they may.......keep moving forward!
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GG - I know it's not my decision, but base on what you've been saying and how you've been saying it If I were you I'd jump. I have no doubt you'll have a good next ten years regardless.
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Sears will probably be next. Very sad for me to watch this happen.
Some of their problems were self inflicted others not.
Competition is brutal now.
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With the job description/responsibilities you described, even if things don't work long term in the new company, your skills will be in such high demand, that you won't have any issues finding another job.
If things don't work out, your only option won't be only going back to your old company. You can go anywhere!
If you look at the long term picture, 30% higher salary will translate into a much more comfortable retirement. Maybe you'll be in a position that you can retire earlier. That 30% extra gives you options.
One word of caution, right now they're saying that you can keep your home office. Make sure that 1 year from now they don't say that you have to move to HQ.
Best of luck!
So no, you don't really have a need to discuss future job plans with your current employer. If management is competent they already know what you're worth and if you aren't getting that now then they know they can treat you unfairly and there's no reason to expect any other behavior should you put them in the position of competing with others. They won't appreciate it.
If you're unsatisfied enough that you're entertaining serious offers then you're ready to leave. Consciously maybe not but subconsciously, yeah, you are.
Those days are gone. If a company thinks they can replace someone with someone who can do the job better they will do this in a heartbeat.
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I know talking this through with my wife, she becomes a dutiful listener, but as she says..."you're so far removed from anything I've experienced I don't know that I can give advice other than to support whatever decision you make".
Good enough. That's all I need.
I'm not unhappy where I'm at. I'm not really happy either. I'm in that spot no one wants to be....ambivalent. I also agree that the days of rewarding employee loyalty are long gone.
Verdugo....I agree, what the terms are today, might not be the terms a year from now.
As most of you point out, if things go sideways, and they ask me to move (to Austin TX where the HQ is) I could always leave. Then again, Austin is a really nice city, too.
Fushigi....one always hopes that the company they work for recognizes their good employees. That's not always a given, though.
houdini....very good point about stock options. I do have them and they are vested. I received more options at the end of 2014. Those won't vest for another 8 months. So, right now I don't care about them. Some shares are underwater right now. So, I don't care about those, either. I have enough stock that as soon as I make the decision to leave/if I make the decision to leave, and start divesting them, it will hit the Presiden's desk. He'll know something's up. Personally, I'd rather not take the capital gains hit right now by selling them. May not have a choice but to sell, but now would not be ideal for me. Matching contributions for the retirement plan were totally vested up until 12/31/14. There are some matching funds that aren't vested for the last 60-90 days. But, those are paper funds.
This is something that has to be talked about face-to-face. If I tell him I'm coming out to CA for a sit down, I have to either state my case and ask for something equivalent to what the new company is offering, or be willing to walk.
Hey, this sounds eerily familiar to buying a car.
Yep, and how many people keep buying the same make/model year after year? Besides Mike's annual Mercedes update that is.
You can always become a consultant. I interviewed in Austin when we were ready for a change from Boise but the traffic is a killer, even if you do work at home.
GG, once you reveal to your current employer that you had been offered a better paying position with another company and you are seriously considering it, things will go downhill for you, IMHO!
My my suggestion is to make the decision about taking the new job or staying at your present job "DEVOID" of any discussions with your current employer. Quite frankly, from your post, the new job probably has more short-term security (3-5 years) than your current job because you will be given sufficient time and resources to get the job done. Does the new job come with a CONTRACT! In other words, will they provide you with a 3-year contract and salary and bonus guarantees? What about benefits?
When teachers came to me to tell me they are considering going to another school (when I was a principal or headmaster), I lost all faith and trust in that individual. However when they came in to my office with the decision already made, I had much more respect for them because they would share the rationale for the decision they made.
Best not to involve your current boss prior to making your decision. Either the new job is the best move or it isn't.
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You should first accept the offer (if that is your decision). You need to have that locked up before you do anything else. Yes, if things change, you'd have to go back and basically quit from that job you accepted, but that's just the way its done. You can't take any chances. Then you could feasibly do one of the following:
1. Resign in person, but subtly suggest that you may be open to a counteroffer ("you know, I really want to stay, but this is more money, more growth opportunity, etc")
2. Go in and talk to them as if you don't have another offer, but with no fear of the consequences because you DO have one in your back pocket. This is sort of a test. If they value you, you should not need to pursue a counter. They should give you what you ask, within reason. If they give excuses or tell you its not feasible, then you can resign with peace of mind.
3. Be straight up and tell them you have an offer and ask what they'll do to make you stay.
I don't like option 3, personally. It makes you sound like you are for sale and it is burning a bridge because you are giving them an ultimatum. #2 is, as I said, a test and you have to follow through on it. Only risk here is that they might want to take time to make a decision, in which case you will have to refer to #1. #1 is a more subtle version of #3 that puts the ball in their court without putting pressure on them. They can choose to let you go or fight for you. Either way, it is more of a mutual breakup and leaves that door open as you leave.
I've used numbers 1 and 2 before. #2 resulted in me leaving because they felt no obligation to do anything. It wasn't until I actually resigned that they waffled, but they showed their true nature, so I wasn't going to stay under any circumstances. #1 got me where I am now. It was a hell of an interesting conversation, though. The nice thing about that version is that you don't have to negotiate as long as you are happy with your decision. I was fully willing to leave and head to the new job. They asked "what would it take?" and I gave 1 answer and 1 answer only. They tried to negotiate on it and, much like the Bobst method of buying a car, there was no negotiation on my end. Take it or leave it. I'm perfectly happy moving on.
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They are obviously playing off of the “private offers” that General Motors sometimes makes, which are very real and offer savings of $1,000 to $2,000. The possibility was there, and it was enough to make me click on the link. This time it was nothing, but they did get me to click on the link.
Marketing keeps getting smarter and trickier.
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GG, another thing to consider is that you don't like what mgmt is asking you to do right now to get business. I think you said those kind of tactics left you feeling "icky."
I think that's your answer right there. Why would you want to work for a company that makes you feel icky?
GG, one other thing. Most companies and doing everything they can to get rid of employees that are over 50 years old. It is a little bit unusual for someone to be aggressively going after someone in that age group...unless it is a proven successful CEO, etc. Have they talked about what they expect of you?
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GG, if you do decide to take the new job, I suggest a few things to do when you meet with your new boss:
*Explain to him why it took you so long to make up your mind about accepting his offer of employment. Tell him that you have been with the same employer for xxx years and have created/developed a sales and marketing team that you are truly supportive of and dedicated to. Additionally, that you have extreme levels of loyalty to your previous employer and the corporation you worked for - a kind of "loyalty" you are expecting to have for your new employer and the new corporation. Explain how important loyalty and respect are to you, not just in the world of business, but also in your private life.
*Express to him the importance of integrity and honesty, something you always shared with your previous employer and the Marketing and Sales Team you developed and nurtured throughout the years.
*Share with your new employer the importance of developing a strong working relationship with your boss - one that is based upon honesty, integrity and respect.
The purpose of the above is to impress upon your new employer that you did not just "jump" at the chance to make more money, but rather wanted/yearned/needed a rejuvenating challenge to continue the high level of motivation you possess.
Just some thoughts to ensure that your new employer fully understands that it was not easy for you to leave a company and co-workers you have worked with and for - for many years. But that you don't want to get stale and need challenges to make your work ethic complete.
Hope this helps.
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Houdini.....Compensation has guaranteed/salary part and variable part. The salary part is 30% more up front. Variable part is MBO related.....some of it tied to corporate perforamance, some of it is tied to my dept's performance (which in turn is directly impacted by my performance. Obviously, there's a revenue component, and a margin component. The rest is marketing related....amount of published product reviews, social media mentions, etc.
It is an employment contract. But, aside from stipulating comp, severance monies, MBOs, duties, fiduciary and ehtical responsibilities in the cotract, anyone can find any reason to break a contract. They have to pay a fixed amount for terminating the contract early, and I would have to return some upfront monies (sign on bonus), but really that's it.
There are people at an exec level at the company who are interested in me that I've worked with or for in the past. So, they know me. But, as you say, being recruited by a company knowing that I'm on the latter half of my career is unusual. As one person I interviewed with said...."we have toyed with those who are up and comers but without much experience. We've decided to go after the best we can find and hire them." That's before I got the offer, but after the interview. I'm flattered. And, that goes a long way in me taking them seriously.
I think the idea of having a contract from the new guys is very important.
About age....some companies are smart enough to know experience and a track record can be more important than youth. I had a retired fellow who came to me for a job, he never thought he would work again since he was 65. His references and experience were as good as it gets. He was one of the best people I could have hired. Almost all of our employees were excellent, but I found the older one's actually worked even better. Young people have almost no loyalty, and they sometimes think they're worth more than they are - not always but sometimes. They are often unrealistic too, they don't realize we have to make a profit in order for them to get a salary...they think it just magically happens.
Only you can make the final decision, but this is like buying a car.
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Did these plans of actions also work when you wanted to get out of relationships with old girlfriends?
I was always told to try to break up just before a birthday or a holiday when a gift is required.
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He did discuss it with her, but eventually went with the new job. It was too good to pass up. Everyone on our team, and our boss, would be happy if he were to wind up back here at some time in the future.
On the subject of retirement and age related hiring, many companies are reluctant to hire over 50. For those companies who still have an actual pension plan (not that many still do, granted), this becomes important. Say the company offers full retirement at 75 points (age plus years of service). For a 30 year old to earn full retirement, he/she would have to work 23 years. For a 60 year old, he/she would only have to work 8 years to earn the same retirement.
And the older the work force, the more the employer will have to pay for insurance.
Which is one reason I am now working contract. At age 64, no one wants to hire me and provide benefits. It all works out, as I am happy to take the money, I already have one retirement set aside, and I have health insurance through other avenues.
If I were afraid to talk about anything with my present boss, I would consider that to be a negative factor. You should be able to talk to him/her about anything that affects your job, your job performance, your career, anything in those areas.
At least with change (a researched and calculated change), there is hope work can be positive and fulfilling.
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@driver100 - pretty funny you should say that... I used #2 on a girlfriend once. ;b
I'm not proud of it, but I was young and stupid. If its any consolation, I made the wrong choice in that instance. haha.
Other times, it was just the "its not you, its me" ploy.
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Btw, congrats on your Prius. In light of the sudden price hikes in gas your timing is brilliant.
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lol That's the one I like to use too! Agree 100%. But there are a lot of people who don't see it that way. If they aren't scamming you they aren't winning.....in their eyes. I don't think the ads will affect everyone. But, if you are a potential customer it could just put someone over the edge. It's more than just Matthew. They are talking about people who think for themselves, who do their own thing.....he even liked Lincolns before he was getting paid to make the ads. I can see where some people would like that image. Just IMHO but I don't think Canadians are as nationalistic. We have people hang up flags on Canada Day, but I'd say 1/10 of what you guys do...in proportion I mean. Our Florida place even has a flag holder on it....you would almost never see that back home. We love our country, but Canadians just aren't as strong about it. We are more constrained in most things. Not better....I think the American spirit is a great quality.....just different, in a good way. Both are good ways to be.
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All kidding aside, yes it is satisfying to those who planned well for their retirement. Congrats for making the right financial decisions that put your family in a comfortable position for the rest of your lives.
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All kidding aside, yes it is satisfying to those who planned well for their retirement. Congrats for making the right financial decisions that put your family in a comfortable position for the rest of your lives.
I am working towards that. I have enough put away that I will never have to worry about living under a freeway overpass, or eating canned dog food. I guess it all depends on your idea of "comfortable". For the idea of comfortable that many people have, I could have / should have already quit working. But I want to be a "snow bird". Spend my summers somewhere in the mountains ( I truly love the Rockies ), and my winters in Arizona (not too crazy about Florida). In the meantime, I enjoy my job. People depend on me, appreciate me, and I rather enjoy that.
And I have my eye on a new / nearly new Genesis (smile).
That's wonderful, Henry! To love what you do is truly a gift and a blessing.
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One reader said this was not a good idea, talking on a phone while driving.....even hands free, because:
*you are 4X more likely to crash and hurt yourself or someone else within 5 minutes of making a call.
*Texters are 23X more likely to crash
*More than 3000 people are killed this way each year, and 300000 to 500000 are injured!
The letter writers son was killed by a person talking on a cell phone.
I saw a lady who could hardly maneuver her car into a parking spot at the grocery store, but she wasn't going to put down her cell phone!
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