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snakeweasel

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Since someone brought up police pursuits, I've watched a couple of OSHP video's.
They have been about a 1/2 hour long.
It was pretty local to some of you, even I recognize some of the signs from travelling down that way.
Amazing how long this GM keeps going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrNzZNS-MSk

Great post! I didn't know that existed.

I listened to radio updates as that chase occurred. I thought the chase ended in Covington when the car hit the barrier wall. It was in Cincy next to the football stadium.

Amazing how many lives in other cars that GM almost hit. What did the passenger keep doing with his arm out the window? Was he throwing out stuff?

Probably drugs or since they were murder suspects, the gun.

Here's the results so far. The suspected homicide that led to their fleeing, has not been finalized>

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/facing-charges-police-chase-connected-trotwood-homicide/zDewtfvOInEENIfLef9S3M/

They look guilty to me.

What do you mean, don't you know that face tattoos are a sign of wholesome living?

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Since someone brought up police pursuits, I've watched a couple of OSHP video's.
They have been about a 1/2 hour long.
It was pretty local to some of you, even I recognize some of the signs from travelling down that way.
Amazing how long this GM keeps going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrNzZNS-MSk

Great post! I didn't know that existed.

I listened to radio updates as that chase occurred. I thought the chase ended in Covington when the car hit the barrier wall. It was in Cincy next to the football stadium.

Amazing how many lives in other cars that GM almost hit. What did the passenger keep doing with his arm out the window? Was he throwing out stuff?

Probably drugs or since they were murder suspects, the gun.

Here's the results so far. The suspected homicide that led to their fleeing, has not been finalized>

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/facing-charges-police-chase-connected-trotwood-homicide/zDewtfvOInEENIfLef9S3M/

They look guilty to me.

What do you mean, don't you know that face tattoos are a sign of wholesome living?

OK, but what does that say about the guy on the right?

jmonroe

jipster

benjaminh said:

@jipster : There is an additional way in which the Accord might be better for you than a TLX—the touchscreen system that it has for AndroidAuto/CarPlay. The two screens that you saw in the TLX have been criticized by some. I actually like that set up in the TLX slightly better than the single touch screen in the Accord. But since you're new to AndroidAuto/CarPlay I think the touch screen in the Accord is going to be easier and more intuitive to learn. And the Accord is a nice car. If I hadn't driven the TLX I probably would have gotten that car instead.

But the base Accord doesn't have AA/Carplay. You need to move up to the Sport or EX for that.

You might also try the Civic. For the Civic you'll also need to go to the Sport or EX to get AA/Carplay, but you should be able to save c.$3000 compared to an Accord by getting the Civic. Plus the mpg on the Civic is as good as a hybrid on the highway.

I liked the Camry too when I went on a test drive in it c. 20 months ago, but it wasn't as nice to me as the Accord or the Civic. But Toyotas in general seem to last a very long time.

I do come back to the thought that you and your wife seemed to really like the TLX. You got a wow factor from it that I'm guessing you aren't going to get from another car in your price range. Imho you should shop all the other cars first before going to drive the TLX again. By the time you get back to the Acura dealer, if you haven't bought something else already, you might be ready to try to lease a base TLX or the Tech from them. Lease is still the way to go on the TLX is terms of saving $.

Thx. If the base Accord has a really nice interior, and a decent discount, may be a winning formula, if a few other pieces fall in place. The Sport has the 19 inch wheel and only comes with the black interior. So, not sure I'd like that.

The TLX 'es two screens,.along with all that the buttons and knobs looked to be a bit too busy and overwhelming for my personal taste, but.certainly no big deal. I liked the Altimas touchscreen and center stack.

Probably pass on the Civic. Would be interesting though to test drive and see how it compares to the 2012 Civic I leased.

I did test drive my son in laws 2020 Camry SE today. I liked the ride and handling. Comfortable. Interior was nice, but not luxurious. Not as good as the Mazda 6 and TLX, but better than the rest. May see if I can take the Mazda 6 out again.

jipster

stickguy said:

For Jip, I suspect the Civic is not going to pass the test. Probably would enjoy something a bit larger, and it does not have the fanciest interior, nor is it particularly quiet or comfortable on the highway. Excellent MPG though!

I still think that the right configuration of Camry is going to win. Seems like a good fit.

Well, with the Civic I'm thinking it won't have.the ride,.comfort level or power of a midsize sedan., I liked the Camry. The exterior styling on the SE was pretty sharp. Interior good. We'll see how the Accord compares.

benjaminh

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

venture

jmonroe1 said:

venture said:

jmonroe said:

stickguy said:

JM, a 2018 limited will have carplay. Just need to push the right button (probably under apps),

I have not found a factory NAV that was as good in terms of maps, updates, real time routing, all that good stuff. Plus easier to pre-plan on google then get in the car and go. at least the map in the RDX looks modern. The TLX looks like it came out of a 1995 Tom Tom unit. The Hyundai (2015 Sonata) was not bad looking, but again a pain to program an address, and did not have real time traffic. And needed physical map updates. Better than nothing though, since that was the year before Car play came along.

though I did at one point get an email that I could download Carplay if I wanted it (did not have to go to dealer, could DIY it over the air). had less than a year left on the lease so never bothered.

I agree about Google Maps always being updated so the built in Nav is always going to be lagging (probably from the day the car rolled off the assembly line) but I always liked the big Nav screen compared to the puny screen of the phone. But what I disliked the most with the phone was how to hold it so I could see it. None of the contraptions I saw were as good as the BIG built in Nav job.

FWIW, I just looked at the Subie manual for how to set up Android and it seems almost sailor proof. Being an old sailor I might be able to get it going but that's what it looks like from the comfort of my family room. Once I decide to get up and go to the garage things could change. If worse comes to worse I'll either have to kick something or live with what I've been using. :@

jmonroe

Didn't you ever get an email from Subaru about updating the maps for your navigation? You can do it yourself. No cost. Updating the maps is good for, I think, 3 years.

I almost always use the built-in navigation rather than Waze or something else. It should have the traffic thingy from XM for 3 years also.

No need to push any buttons or do it on your computer and send it to the car either. Just push the voice button when you get in the car and tell it the address.

No, I never got an email. Maybe that's because I bought it used last April (a 2018 in 2019). BUT, if I want to use Android Auto it's gonna cost me. My phone is ancient, a Samsung Galaxy S lll (probably 8 years old) and because of that the Subie doesn't recognize it since it's an Android version 4.3 but the Subie requires Android version 5.0 or later. I found that out just before I was about to kick something. :@ I've been meaning to get a new phone since it has slowed down to painful loading and typing times and spell check has gone completely perflewy.

As for telling the system what to do, I still refuse to talk to my car. Never understands me even when I tried to humor it a few times so I gave up on that long ago.

BTW, has anyone noticed I'm @jmonroe1 again. This starting to piss me off. :@

jmonroe

I didn't remember you bought it used.

As stickguy said, go to mysubaru.com and register. There's a lot of good stuff in there. If nothing you care for, no harm, no foul.

You don't talk to your car? Try it. Subaru's have great voice recognition. Just push the voice button, say "navigate to (address)", (such as 123 Main Street, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania). You may be surprised.

Try Chrome and see if you can get in using your jmonroe password. This is finicky with Edge for some reason; the most used browser on the planet. If and when you are able to get in, go to your profile and change your email address to one you can access.

ab348

FWIW, I have never had much luck with voice recognition on either of the 2 ATS vehicles I have had. I don't like it because I always feel like I am arguing with the car and most of the time the car wins.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Since someone brought up police pursuits, I've watched a couple of OSHP video's.
They have been about a 1/2 hour long.
It was pretty local to some of you, even I recognize some of the signs from travelling down that way.
Amazing how long this GM keeps going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrNzZNS-MSk

Great post! I didn't know that existed.

I listened to radio updates as that chase occurred. I thought the chase ended in Covington when the car hit the barrier wall. It was in Cincy next to the football stadium.

Amazing how many lives in other cars that GM almost hit. What did the passenger keep doing with his arm out the window? Was he throwing out stuff?

Probably drugs or since they were murder suspects, the gun.

Here's the results so far. The suspected homicide that led to their fleeing, has not been finalized>

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/facing-charges-police-chase-connected-trotwood-homicide/zDewtfvOInEENIfLef9S3M/

They look guilty to me.

What do you mean, don't you know that face tattoos are a sign of wholesome living?

I thought they were meant to represent all the good decisions that fellow has made in his life.

At least that’s what mine mean.

stickguy

For drive it until the wheels rust off guys like Jip, buying the outgoing model should not be a big deal!

Definitely try the 6 again, and give it a better workout. It is a nice car and fun to drive. Though the info tech might be a bit outdated (and no touch screen) if it works for you, all that counts.

stickguy

ab348 said:

FWIW, I have never had much luck with voice recognition on either of the 2 ATS vehicles I have had. I don't like it because I always feel like I am arguing with the car and most of the time the car wins.

I felt like that when I first tried it with my Sonata. Then read the manual and realized it only responded to certain words. So as long as you used the right keyword in the correct order, it worked OK. We have not tried the RDX ourselves but the salesman showed a few times and it was pretty impressive how well it recognized what he asked and set the navigation.

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

Given that the dealer was offering only a thousand bucks he wouldn’t get much of a tax deduction. The feeling of doing good might be all he needs though.

I still say that’s a $3000 Craigslist car all day. Tell the customers about the tranny and let them decide. When we sold my son’s Mercury with the burnt valve and CEL we had a ton of interest from people who didn’t care. Either they were willing to fix it or they wanted the parts.

Or maybe they didn’t understand enough to care.

imidazol97

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sda

The leatherette in the base TLX is quite nice. It is soft, supple, has more of a leather feel than most. The base interior has a quality look to it just like the tech model. Unless it is important to you the base TLX is missing the ELS/nav and a few other features but does have apple car play and android auto, CD player and a decent 7 speaker system.

stickguy

the ELS, Navi and leather are probably not big deals (assuming the base stereo is good enough for you). The BLIS/crosspath and parking sensors though you would notice not having. maybe the auto rain sensing wipers if you are into that kind of stuff!

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

Given that the dealer was offering only a thousand bucks he wouldn’t get much of a tax deduction. The feeling of doing good might be all he needs though.

I still say that’s a $3000 Craigslist car all day. Tell the customers about the tranny and let them decide. When we sold my son’s Mercury with the burnt valve and CEL we had a ton of interest from people who didn’t care. Either they were willing to fix it or they wanted the parts.

Or maybe they didn’t understand enough to care.

True about the tax deduction, let's say you already itemize, the car is valued at $3k and your in the 12% tax bracket your tax savings is only $360. You are almost better off money wise selling it. But if you want to help a charity then go for it.

stickguy

I thought they changed the rules on donating. Used to be they gave you a likely "optimistic" valuation. But now, you have to wait until they actually sell the car so they can give you a real value.

plus with so many fewer people itemizing now, won't even get that small amount.

running cars on CL that are cheap will still sell quickly. even with potential but not active issues.

graphicguy

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

sda said:

jipster said:

stickguy said:

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

I’d still ask for the original deal. I can’t imagine that they aren’t desperate to sell those cars. Seems foolish on Acura’s part to cut incentives when their inventory is growing weeds.

The email I got back from the sales manager wasn't very encouraging. He said Acura wasnt going to increase incentives, the high incentives were to move inventory and help consumers during the corona crisis, and they would be getting the new TLX's in "soon". Made no effort to try to sell me the car. Basically here's the price, take it or leave it. So, still on the fence with this one.

After doing a little research, I think I will take a look at the Honda Accord. It's base model is very well loaded, and more importantly it's interior is suppose to be as high quality as their higher trim levels (minus the leather). I do like the exterior styling as well. Hopefully it's cloth seats won't be as cheesy looking as some I've looked at. Hard to tell by just looking at a video.It does have the 1.5 liter turbo and CVT..Scotty says "booooo" on both. But, what does Scotty know?. ;-)

do you want any of the features of the TLX that a lower level Accord won't have? Stuff like a good stereo, power passenger seat, moonroof, heated seats, LED lights (just a few things off the top of my head)? They are still nice cars, but IMO that the LX (which admittedly has had some content added to it including Honda sensing) is a bit cheaped out. The sweet spot to me is the EX, if you don't require leather, or EX-L if you do.

Want? Sure. Need? Not really. Would prefer not to have a moonroof. Heated seats and better stereo would be nice. The leather interior of the TLX was excellent. Ride, comfort, reliability, good power (doesn't need to be great) and nice interior are tops in my book. No touchscreen on the base Accord, which I would like. If I went up to the Ex or ExL price point, I'd probably just stay with the Acura.

The Accord Sport 1.5 has the upgraded infotainment with apple car play and android auto. No sunroof, better interior with power driver seat.

Only black interiors on all sport models. Though on the plus side, I'd be irresistible to women.

It sounds like the Acura dealer (the lady with the nice nails) didn't tell you the special offer was expiring. That seems like poor customer care to me. And, I don't believe their story completely......selling cars is going to be even more difficult in a few weeks, they may come out with a better deal somewhere else. It seems to me that dealer did absolutely nothing for you Jip.

Yeah, the sales manager addressed me by the wrong name too...Dan.

He asked if I was a bottom line or payment buyer. I responded "bottom line". He has not responded back. This was 2 or 3 days ago.

@jipster ...if you’re serious about the Acura, and don’t mind driving a little north across the river, I can set you up with my Acura “guy” (he’s the GM), I can guarantee you’ll get a good deal and treated very well.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

Having to fight a ticket by a speed camera I was a victim of last year, their accuracy is indeed dubious, at best. What I did find out, at least around here, they don’t quite have the additional man power to show up for all those who allegedly were speeding and decided to have their day in court (like me).

Mine was the first encounter and probably the last in the area the municipality says I was speeding. They used a panel van on the side of the road with the camera operating in it.

I have not seen that panel van, again....anywhere in the same city where I allegedly sped.

They gave me a choice. Pay $200 with no points on my record, or go to court. Clearly, it was a money grab. But, I guess most who were cited decided to fight it, as I got a call from the police dept stating they were dropping the charges. When I asked why, they said there were too many who were willing to go to court and they could not tie up officers and/or prosecutors to handle the amount of cases.

The good guys won.

As I've noted previously. speed cameras and red light cameras are first and foremost a money grab. I'ts not worth it to the state to take cases to court- and almost certainly losing them- even in the People's Republic of Ohio.

A funny example of the Law of Unintended Consequences: The draconian speed enforcement tactics of the Ohio Highway Patrol encouraged a couple of Engineering majors at the University of Cincinnati to develop the original Escort radar detector. Back in 2012 my son rode with Mike Valentine in his 911 GT3 RS 4.0 at Mid Ohio. My son asked Mike what led him to start designing radar detectors. Mike said, "I like fast cars, and I like to drive them fast."
I'm trading my V1 in on a new 2nd generation V! when the pandemic hysteria finally calms down; I'll especially need it if I buy that orange GTS.

Cool story about Mike Valentine, RB. I have an Escort, which is where Mike started (maybe one of the founders?).

Don’t know why, but it seems Ohio (at least the areas around me) seem to want to take the easy way out to generate revenue. They either keep getting slapped with huge fines for using red light cameras (as was the case in one small municipality), or they try to set up cheap and easy ways to do what you say....money grab.

Frankly, I’ve been driving the roads around me for so long, I pretty much know which bridge abutments they like to hang out behind. I know where the pacing planes circle. I know where their cameras are (unless they continue to try to move them in a plain, white panel van on the side of the road, which is itself conspicuous).

It’s a game that it seems has shrinking rewards, so I don’t understand why they keep trying to do it. It doesn’t sound like the money maker they make it out to be, particularly the very hefty fees they have to pay the camera makers.

graphicguy

I am guilty of posting “Scotty” videos. I will cease.

I don’t find him offensive, and do find him entertaining.

For all intents and purposes, he’s running a little car repair business out of his own garage somewhere in Houston. Given the proliferation of YouTube videos he puts out, he’s not doing much in the way of car repair these days as he’s filming, editing and posting two videos per day.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

For drive it until the wheels rust off guys like Jip, buying the outgoing model should not be a big deal!

Definitely try the 6 again, and give it a better workout. It is a nice car and fun to drive. Though the info tech might be a bit outdated (and no touch screen) if it works for you, all that counts.

I enjoyed driving the Mazda 6. Thought the interior was nice and I’m a guy who doesn’t really care that much about interiors so it must have been very nice for me to notice. I can’t comment on the info-tech since I wouldn’t have the ability to play with it while driving. The Skyactiv technology gets good reviews.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Since someone brought up police pursuits, I've watched a couple of OSHP video's.
They have been about a 1/2 hour long.
It was pretty local to some of you, even I recognize some of the signs from travelling down that way.
Amazing how long this GM keeps going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrNzZNS-MSk

Great post! I didn't know that existed.

I listened to radio updates as that chase occurred. I thought the chase ended in Covington when the car hit the barrier wall. It was in Cincy next to the football stadium.

Amazing how many lives in other cars that GM almost hit. What did the passenger keep doing with his arm out the window? Was he throwing out stuff?

Probably drugs or since they were murder suspects, the gun.

Here's the results so far. The suspected homicide that led to their fleeing, has not been finalized>

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/facing-charges-police-chase-connected-trotwood-homicide/zDewtfvOInEENIfLef9S3M/

They look guilty to me.

What do you mean, don't you know that face tattoos are a sign of wholesome living?

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Since someone brought up police pursuits, I've watched a couple of OSHP video's.
They have been about a 1/2 hour long.
It was pretty local to some of you, even I recognize some of the signs from travelling down that way.
Amazing how long this GM keeps going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrNzZNS-MSk

Great post! I didn't know that existed.

I listened to radio updates as that chase occurred. I thought the chase ended in Covington when the car hit the barrier wall. It was in Cincy next to the football stadium.

Amazing how many lives in other cars that GM almost hit. What did the passenger keep doing with his arm out the window? Was he throwing out stuff?

Probably drugs or since they were murder suspects, the gun.

Here's the results so far. The suspected homicide that led to their fleeing, has not been finalized>

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/facing-charges-police-chase-connected-trotwood-homicide/zDewtfvOInEENIfLef9S3M/

They look guilty to me.

What do you mean, don't you know that face tattoos are a sign of wholesome living?

I thought they were meant to represent all the good decisions that fellow has made in his life.

At least that’s what mine mean.

He may be the nicest guy in the world....but, I wouldn't hire him to work for me.

driver100

imidazol97
Having trouble finding a mask? Remember your car needs one too.

This protective gear looked pretty good:

houdini1

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Since someone brought up police pursuits, I've watched a couple of OSHP video's.
They have been about a 1/2 hour long.
It was pretty local to some of you, even I recognize some of the signs from travelling down that way.
Amazing how long this GM keeps going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrNzZNS-MSk

Great post! I didn't know that existed.

I listened to radio updates as that chase occurred. I thought the chase ended in Covington when the car hit the barrier wall. It was in Cincy next to the football stadium.

Amazing how many lives in other cars that GM almost hit. What did the passenger keep doing with his arm out the window? Was he throwing out stuff?

Probably drugs or since they were murder suspects, the gun.

Here's the results so far. The suspected homicide that led to their fleeing, has not been finalized>

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/facing-charges-police-chase-connected-trotwood-homicide/zDewtfvOInEENIfLef9S3M/

They look guilty to me.

What do you mean, don't you know that face tattoos are a sign of wholesome living?

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

I can hear judge driver now, " Bring those guilty scoundrels in here so I can give them a fair trial". Also looks like that pic of the woman you just posted has converted your lost horizontal striped shirt to a pair of pants. You must have huge arms.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

Same with Judge Judy. Not hard to tell she's got her mind made up from paper work or from what the producers have told her to say about each case and defendant vs plaintiff. I'd hope I'd receive a fairer hearing were I in court than I see on the JJ show.

The Hot 'Bench brand of JJ empire is predictable as to what each of the 3 judges will argue in the private consulation.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

Cool story about Mike Valentine, RB. I have an Escort, which is where Mike started (maybe one of the founders?).

Yes, Mike was one of the founders; he and his partner went to Electrolert(makers of the Fuzzbuster) and offered to sell them the technology(their unit used a Gunn Diode Oscillator). Electrolert basically said, "Yeah, it's really good- but it's too expensive to produce and no one will pay over $200 for a detector." Mike and his partner raised the capital to start CM, and began advertising the Escort in Car and Driver and other enthusiast magazines. CD tested the Escort and they reported that when placed in the glove box of the target vehicle it would detect radar sooner than any other unit mounted on the sun visor. CD called it "The next best thing to buying a judge." The rest is history. My wife ordered one for my graduation from law school in 1982. There was a four month wait.

roadburner

As for voice recognition, I've told this before, but about 8 or 9 years ago I was test driving a new Lincoln(only in order to get a $50 gift card and because the dealer was making a donation to Food for the Poor for every test drive). I don't remember which model it was, but the sales guy was eager to show off the "new" voice recognition system; he said "Tune to FM station ninety seven point five." The Lincoln replied, "Now tuning to gay radio station." My son and I couldn't stop laughing, my wife just shook her head, and the sales guy just turned beet red and said not a word for the rest of the drive.

imidazol97

re: OSP chase

It's odd there has been no info about the murder investigation from the jurisdiction where they originally fled. But they're securely locked up elsewhere--not to worry about finding them.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

As for voice recognition, I've told this before, but about 8 or 9 years ago I was test driving a new Lincoln(only in order to get a $50 gift card and because the dealer was making a donation to Food for the Poor for every test drive). I don't remember which model it was, but the sales guy was eager to show off the "new" voice recognition system; he said "Tune to FM station ninety seven point five." The Lincoln replied, "Now tuning to gay radio station." My son and I couldn't stop laughing, my wife just shook her head, and the sales guy just turned beet red and said not a word for the rest of the drive.

I bet some tech in a far off land was laughing too.

driver100

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Since someone brought up police pursuits, I've watched a couple of OSHP video's.
They have been about a 1/2 hour long.
It was pretty local to some of you, even I recognize some of the signs from travelling down that way.
Amazing how long this GM keeps going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrNzZNS-MSk

Great post! I didn't know that existed.

I listened to radio updates as that chase occurred. I thought the chase ended in Covington when the car hit the barrier wall. It was in Cincy next to the football stadium.

Amazing how many lives in other cars that GM almost hit. What did the passenger keep doing with his arm out the window? Was he throwing out stuff?

Probably drugs or since they were murder suspects, the gun.

Here's the results so far. The suspected homicide that led to their fleeing, has not been finalized>

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/facing-charges-police-chase-connected-trotwood-homicide/zDewtfvOInEENIfLef9S3M/

They look guilty to me.

What do you mean, don't you know that face tattoos are a sign of wholesome living?

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

I can hear judge driver now, " Bring those guilty scoundrels in here so I can give them a fair trial".

My saying is "If there's smoke there's usually fire", I doubt if you're in here because you are totally innocent - especially if you look like that! :@

driver100

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

Same with Judge Judy. Not hard to tell she's got her mind made up from paper work or from what the producers have told her to say about each case and defendant vs plaintiff. I'd hope I'd receive a fairer hearing were I in court than I see on the JJ show.

The Hot 'Bench brand of JJ empire is predictable as to what each of the 3 judges will argue in the private consulation.

I don't think the judges know ahead of time...it would take the spontaneity out of the show. I like they way they can ask the questions that get to the truth....ask enough good questions and something won't add up. I like Judge Demango and her New York accent...she'll ask and say anything....and knows how to get to the truth.

By the time they go to the back room you know the verdict, I like to hear the thinking process though. Funny when they disagree though.....that means in a real court it may depend on what judge you get.

oldfarmer50

Speaking of judges I hope I never get one like this:

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-brooklyn-supreme-court-civil-covid-19-judges-attorneys-20200409-byebigdbpbcv3he7wf5hxombju-story.html

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

Same with Judge Judy. Not hard to tell she's got her mind made up from paper work or from what the producers have told her to say about each case and defendant vs plaintiff. I'd hope I'd receive a fairer hearing were I in court than I see on the JJ show.

The Hot 'Bench brand of JJ empire is predictable as to what each of the 3 judges will argue in the private consulation.

I don't think the judges know ahead of time...it would take the spontaneity out of the show. I like they way they can ask the questions that get to the truth....ask enough good questions and something won't add up. I like Judge Demango and her New York accent...she'll ask and say anything....and knows how to get to the truth.

By the time they go to the back room you know the verdict, I like to hear the thinking process though. Funny when they disagree though.....that means in a real court it may depend on what judge you get.

Just like my cousin @jmonroe, I don't watch judge shows. Are you saying that there are judge shows that have multiple judges and it's something like majority rule? If so these judge shows are more of a circus than I thought. As for real court rooms, of course it depends on which judge you get and defence and prosecuting attorneys base their case strategy on this. I hope this isn't a revelation for you.

jmonroe

jipster

benjaminh said:

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

The Mariner started acting up again about five days ago. Going to take it to a mechanic and get an estimate for repairs. If over not over a grand,.will keep it as a spare. Private party I could get about $3,000 for it.

Haven't seen the base model TLX seats, yet. Probably look at the Accord, then that base TLX. But, no, won't bother me if it gets phased out. 2 of our new car purchases have been phased out, the Mazda MPV and the Hyundai Veracruz and the Mercury Milan and Mariner. So we're us to it.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

Given that the dealer was offering only a thousand bucks he wouldn’t get much of a tax deduction. The feeling of doing good might be all he needs though.

I still say that’s a $3000 Craigslist car all day. Tell the customers about the tranny and let them decide. When we sold my son’s Mercury with the burnt valve and CEL we had a ton of interest from people who didn’t care. Either they were willing to fix it or they wanted the parts.

Or maybe they didn’t understand enough to care.

With the Mercury Milan.(possible timing engine issues), and the wifes Hyundai Veracruz (158,000 miles) I'm hoping to hold onto the Mariner as back-up..I have the feeling though it has some expensive transmission issues. If so, it's Craigslist. I'll let you have first crack on it oldfarmer. You get the Edmunds Gold Club member discount.

jipster

graphicguy said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

sda said:

jipster said:

stickguy said:

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

I’d still ask for the original deal. I can’t imagine that they aren’t desperate to sell those cars. Seems foolish on Acura’s part to cut incentives when their inventory is growing weeds.

The email I got back from the sales manager wasn't very encouraging. He said Acura wasnt going to increase incentives, the high incentives were to move inventory and help consumers during the corona crisis, and they would be getting the new TLX's in "soon". Made no effort to try to sell me the car. Basically here's the price, take it or leave it. So, still on the fence with this one.

After doing a little research, I think I will take a look at the Honda Accord. It's base model is very well loaded, and more importantly it's interior is suppose to be as high quality as their higher trim levels (minus the leather). I do like the exterior styling as well. Hopefully it's cloth seats won't be as cheesy looking as some I've looked at. Hard to tell by just looking at a video.It does have the 1.5 liter turbo and CVT..Scotty says "booooo" on both. But, what does Scotty know?. ;-)

do you want any of the features of the TLX that a lower level Accord won't have? Stuff like a good stereo, power passenger seat, moonroof, heated seats, LED lights (just a few things off the top of my head)? They are still nice cars, but IMO that the LX (which admittedly has had some content added to it including Honda sensing) is a bit cheaped out. The sweet spot to me is the EX, if you don't require leather, or EX-L if you do.

Want? Sure. Need? Not really. Would prefer not to have a moonroof. Heated seats and better stereo would be nice. The leather interior of the TLX was excellent. Ride, comfort, reliability, good power (doesn't need to be great) and nice interior are tops in my book. No touchscreen on the base Accord, which I would like. If I went up to the Ex or ExL price point, I'd probably just stay with the Acura.

The Accord Sport 1.5 has the upgraded infotainment with apple car play and android auto. No sunroof, better interior with power driver seat.

Only black interiors on all sport models. Though on the plus side, I'd be irresistible to women.

It sounds like the Acura dealer (the lady with the nice nails) didn't tell you the special offer was expiring. That seems like poor customer care to me. And, I don't believe their story completely......selling cars is going to be even more difficult in a few weeks, they may come out with a better deal somewhere else. It seems to me that dealer did absolutely nothing for you Jip.

Yeah, the sales manager addressed me by the wrong name too...Dan.

He asked if I was a bottom line or payment buyer. I responded "bottom line". He has not responded back. This was 2 or 3 days ago.

@jipster ...if you’re serious about the Acura, and don’t mind driving a little north across the river, I can set you up with my Acura “guy” (he’s the GM), I can guarantee you’ll get a good deal and treated very well.

Thanks g.g. May take you up on that. Your Acura guy live in Cincinnati? My daughter lives right across the river... in Newport. So wouldn't mind that a bit.

abacomike

My nephew (the cardiologist who came down with covid-19 14 days ago) went back to work at Wake Hospital in Raleigh Friday. In fact, he's on call all weekend. He is donating his blood every 4-5 days at the hospital so they can extract the plasma and give it to patients who are severely compromised from the virus.

That is so magnanimous of him - but that's the kind of man he has always been.

qbrozen

graphicguy said:

I am guilty of posting “Scotty” videos. I will cease.

I don’t find him offensive, and do find him entertaining.

For all intents and purposes, he’s running a little car repair business out of his own garage somewhere in Houston. Given the proliferation of YouTube videos he puts out, he’s not doing much in the way of car repair these days as he’s filming, editing and posting two videos per day.

Offensive? No.
Annoying and dumb? Abso-freakin-lutely!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Speaking of judges I hope I never get one like this:

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-brooklyn-supreme-court-civil-covid-19-judges-attorneys-20200409-byebigdbpbcv3he7wf5hxombju-story.html

The courtroom was packed, and some of the people in the courtroom didn't want to be there....but, the judge said if you don't like it leave. And then he died from coronavirus a few weeks later.
Shows packed courtroom:

Similar to Boris Johnson....first he wanted to let COVID run it's course in England.....and then he got it!
You can't mess around with this one!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

Same with Judge Judy. Not hard to tell she's got her mind made up from paper work or from what the producers have told her to say about each case and defendant vs plaintiff. I'd hope I'd receive a fairer hearing were I in court than I see on the JJ show.

The Hot 'Bench brand of JJ empire is predictable as to what each of the 3 judges will argue in the private consulation.

I don't think the judges know ahead of time...it would take the spontaneity out of the show. I like they way they can ask the questions that get to the truth....ask enough good questions and something won't add up. I like Judge Demango and her New York accent...she'll ask and say anything....and knows how to get to the truth.

By the time they go to the back room you know the verdict, I like to hear the thinking process though. Funny when they disagree though.....that means in a real court it may depend on what judge you get.

Just like my cousin @jmonroe, I don't watch judge shows. Are you saying that there are judge shows that have multiple judges and it's something like majority rule? If so these judge shows are more of a circus than I thought. As for real court rooms, of course it depends on which judge you get and defence and prosecuting attorneys base their case strategy on this. I hope this isn't a revelation for you.

jmonroe

Hot Bench uses 3 judges but that is what I like about it. Each judge works a little different, and each gets different information from the litigants. But, what I really like about it is the judges discuss in the backroom why they came to their decision, so I like to hear the logic. Of course, it is only good for extremely intelligent viewers who are eager to be educated on how to read people and learn logic.

driver100

jipster said:

graphicguy said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

sda said:

jipster said:

stickguy said:

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

I’d still ask for the original deal. I can’t imagine that they aren’t desperate to sell those cars. Seems foolish on Acura’s part to cut incentives when their inventory is growing weeds.

The email I got back from the sales manager wasn't very encouraging. He said Acura wasnt going to increase incentives, the high incentives were to move inventory and help consumers during the corona crisis, and they would be getting the new TLX's in "soon". Made no effort to try to sell me the car. Basically here's the price, take it or leave it. So, still on the fence with this one.

After doing a little research, I think I will take a look at the Honda Accord. It's base model is very well loaded, and more importantly it's interior is suppose to be as high quality as their higher trim levels (minus the leather). I do like the exterior styling as well. Hopefully it's cloth seats won't be as cheesy looking as some I've looked at. Hard to tell by just looking at a video.It does have the 1.5 liter turbo and CVT..Scotty says "booooo" on both. But, what does Scotty know?. ;-)

do you want any of the features of the TLX that a lower level Accord won't have? Stuff like a good stereo, power passenger seat, moonroof, heated seats, LED lights (just a few things off the top of my head)? They are still nice cars, but IMO that the LX (which admittedly has had some content added to it including Honda sensing) is a bit cheaped out. The sweet spot to me is the EX, if you don't require leather, or EX-L if you do.

Want? Sure. Need? Not really. Would prefer not to have a moonroof. Heated seats and better stereo would be nice. The leather interior of the TLX was excellent. Ride, comfort, reliability, good power (doesn't need to be great) and nice interior are tops in my book. No touchscreen on the base Accord, which I would like. If I went up to the Ex or ExL price point, I'd probably just stay with the Acura.

The Accord Sport 1.5 has the upgraded infotainment with apple car play and android auto. No sunroof, better interior with power driver seat.

Only black interiors on all sport models. Though on the plus side, I'd be irresistible to women.

It sounds like the Acura dealer (the lady with the nice nails) didn't tell you the special offer was expiring. That seems like poor customer care to me. And, I don't believe their story completely......selling cars is going to be even more difficult in a few weeks, they may come out with a better deal somewhere else. It seems to me that dealer did absolutely nothing for you Jip.

Yeah, the sales manager addressed me by the wrong name too...Dan.

He asked if I was a bottom line or payment buyer. I responded "bottom line". He has not responded back. This was 2 or 3 days ago.

@jipster ...if you’re serious about the Acura, and don’t mind driving a little north across the river, I can set you up with my Acura “guy” (he’s the GM), I can guarantee you’ll get a good deal and treated very well.

Thanks g.g. May take you up on that. Your Acura guy live in Cincinnati? My daughter loves right across the river... in Newport. So wouldn't mind that a bit.

Maybe GG can set it up and find "The Guys" best possible price for a base and a deluxe model. Might have a company car lying around. You can do it privately so we don't see the figures....wouldn't hurt anyone. An extra sale for the dealer that he would never have had...so might give a really good price.

driver100

qbrozen said:

graphicguy said:

I am guilty of posting “Scotty” videos. I will cease.

I don’t find him offensive, and do find him entertaining.

For all intents and purposes, he’s running a little car repair business out of his own garage somewhere in Houston. Given the proliferation of YouTube videos he puts out, he’s not doing much in the way of car repair these days as he’s filming, editing and posting two videos per day.

Offensive? No.
Annoying and dumb? Abso-freakin-lutely!

I am not a fan of Scotty but, you have to give him credit, he is addictive to some people, and a lot of people probably like his down to earth regular guy opinions.

bwia

oldfarmer50 said:

Speaking of judges I hope I never get one like this:

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-brooklyn-supreme-court-civil-covid-19-judges-attorneys-20200409-byebigdbpbcv3he7wf5hxombju-story.html

What a damn shame that a judge has lost his life defending this stupid policy.

houdini1

abacomike said:

My nephew (the cardiologist who came down with covid-19 14 days ago) went back to work at Wake Hospital in Raleigh Friday. In fact, he's on call all weekend. He is donating his blood every 4-5 days at the hospital so they can extract the plasma and give it to patients who are severely compromised from the virus.

That is so magnanimous of him - but that's the kind of man he has always been.

That's terrific Mike, on all levels.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Speaking of judges I hope I never get one like this:

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-brooklyn-supreme-court-civil-covid-19-judges-attorneys-20200409-byebigdbpbcv3he7wf5hxombju-story.html

By that date Kentucky courts had almost completely switched to Skype or restricted courtrooms population to ten people in total.

stickguy

Scotty might be a bit hyper but he actually makes some good points along the way. Plus he is a hoot in a watching a train wreck on meth kind of way!

stickguy

I think my sister must be going stir crazy from being isolated alone (she lives by herself). She started thinking about cars and wants to discuss tonight.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

Scotty might be a bit hyper but he actually makes some good points along the way. Plus he is a hoot in a watching a train wreck on meth kind of way!

He is also wrong enough that he has zero confidence from me and I fear there are people out there who actually completely trust his opinions.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

Given that the dealer was offering only a thousand bucks he wouldn’t get much of a tax deduction. The feeling of doing good might be all he needs though.

I still say that’s a $3000 Craigslist car all day. Tell the customers about the tranny and let them decide. When we sold my son’s Mercury with the burnt valve and CEL we had a ton of interest from people who didn’t care. Either they were willing to fix it or they wanted the parts.

Or maybe they didn’t understand enough to care.

With the Mercury Milan.(possible timing engine issues), and the wifes Hyundai Veracruz (158,000 miles) I'm hoping to hold onto the Mariner as back-up..I have the feeling though it has some expensive transmission issues. If so, it's Craigslist. I'll let you have first crack on it oldfarmer. You get the Edmunds Gold Club member discount.

Maybe if it had half the miles.

You know, that Milan supposedly has these issues but it’s still running fine? Doesn’t that make you think that maybe the dealer either misdiagnosed the problem or was just trying to sell you an expensive repair? Maybe they pulled a code from a bad sensor and assumed it was something major.

My son inherited the PT Cruiser and last October it developed a sequence of Evap codes which no one has been able to isolate. Best guess is that a sensor has a bad wire somewhere and is sending bogus signals that the computer is interpreting as a missing gas cap.

benjaminh

jipster said:

....Probably look at the Accord, then that base TLX. But, no, won't bother me if it gets phased out. 2 of our new car purchases have been phased out, the Mazda MPV and the Hyundai Veracruz and the Mercury Milan and Mariner. So we're us to it.

The model closest to the base TLX (msrp c. $34k) is the Accord EXL (msrp c. $31k). When I was cross-shopping those two cars I tried to figure out whether the Acura was worth 3k more to me than the Honda.

You might feel differently, but I like the exterior styling of the TLX better than the Accord, down to the alloy wheels. And after owning 4 Accords I got a little weary of meeting similar Accords at intersections. Anyway, for me the exterior style and better paint job of the TLX is probably worth about a grand.

The Accord's 1.5 turbo is peppy, but the sound isn't as refined as the TLX's 2.4, and the TLX is a bit faster too. The Accord's CVT is good, but I like the shift quality and sound of the TLX's 8-speed DCT with paddle shifters better. So the engine and transmission are worth to me another 1k.

Inside the Acura has nicer seats, nicer carpet, better controls, quieter ride, etc. for another 1k.

Then there's the better suspension, better brakes, better tires, better battery, hydraulic struts for the hood, etc.—1k.

Then something I really like that's standard on the TLX is the precision all-wheel-steering. All wheel steering is a $2000 option on high end Audis, but even cutting that in half I'll say that's worth another 1k over the Accord.

So far that adds up to c. 5k for me, but then it's true that the TLX has less legroom in the back than the Accord, and the TLX also doesn't have remote start, which the Accord has. So that's maybe a c. 1k advantage the Accord has. But that still means that to me the TLX base is "worth" at least 4k more than the comparable Accord.

So I think the TLX is more than worth its higher list price, but with the $6250 incentive that was available when I got my car, and the bigger discount off msrp and better trade-in I got, it turned out that even a TLX Tech had a slight price advantage over an Accord EXL.