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driver100

It sounds like if you bought a one year old TLX you'd be wasting your money as the bonus's make a new one so close in price.
But, what about a one year old Accord.........wonder how much you could save?
I answered my own question...not much $24200 with 2500 miles on it...Sport:


I can't find many below $23000........seems like they don't depreciate too much.
Check: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Used+Cars/Sedan/2019/Honda/Accord/Sun+City+Center+FL-33573?listingTypes=USED&searchRadius=100&zip=33573&startYear=2019&endYear=2019&marketExtension=include&maxMileage=15000&makeCodeList=HONDA&modelCodeList=ACCORD&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&isNewSearch=true&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0

stickguy

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

stickguy

got a nice surprise in the mail yesterday. A couple envelopes (one addressed to me, one to the wife) from an airbag settlement group. I thought it might be a notice that we could claim or some such. Apparently we already did, and each got a $72 check from Honda/Acura for the airbag issue. Not quite sure why since both cars involved had the bags replaced by the dealer at no cost to us.

$144, should pay for a years worth of gas at today's prices and never being able to go anywhere!

Michaell

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

Given that the dealer was offering only a thousand bucks he wouldn’t get much of a tax deduction. The feeling of doing good might be all he needs though.

I still say that’s a $3000 Craigslist car all day. Tell the customers about the tranny and let them decide. When we sold my son’s Mercury with the burnt valve and CEL we had a ton of interest from people who didn’t care. Either they were willing to fix it or they wanted the parts.

Or maybe they didn’t understand enough to care.

With the Mercury Milan.(possible timing engine issues), and the wifes Hyundai Veracruz (158,000 miles) I'm hoping to hold onto the Mariner as back-up..I have the feeling though it has some expensive transmission issues. If so, it's Craigslist. I'll let you have first crack on it oldfarmer. You get the Edmunds Gold Club member discount.

Maybe if it had half the miles.

You know, that Milan supposedly has these issues but it’s still running fine? Doesn’t that make you think that maybe the dealer either misdiagnosed the problem or was just trying to sell you an expensive repair? Maybe they pulled a code from a bad sensor and assumed it was something major.

My son inherited the PT Cruiser and last October it developed a sequence of Evap codes which no one has been able to isolate. Best guess is that a sensor has a bad wire somewhere and is sending bogus signals that the computer is interpreting as a missing gas cap.

Yes, knock on wood, the Milan has been running fine. It did throw an emissions code last week. "Jips Garage" installed a new cannister purge valve for $25. So far, so good.

The dealership originally said the car threw 6 codes (vct components, pcm detected a problem with camshaft sensor, camshaft position sensor, battery disconnected....and a couple more I can't remember). I did find it suspicious that the dealership never mentioned the fact that the car needed a new throttle body...which was the reason I brought the car in the first place. I didn't know it needed a new throttle body until I picked the car up to take it home, and noticed it written on the sales receipt. "Jip's Garage" installed a new throttle body for 1/10th what the dealership would have charged.

On the PT Cruiser, capless gas tank? Fuel filler neck code? Clean it out with an air gun. A little wd 40 on those contact point around the opening, work it in and out about 10 times with a funnel. Then I had the emissions code, which on the Milan I read the likely culprit was a clogged canister purge valve.

jipster

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

....Probably look at the Accord, then that base TLX. But, no, won't bother me if it gets phased out. 2 of our new car purchases have been phased out, the Mazda MPV and the Hyundai Veracruz and the Mercury Milan and Mariner. So we're us to it.

The model closest to the base TLX (msrp c. $34k) is the Accord EXL (msrp c. $31k). When I was cross-shopping those two cars I tried to figure out whether the Acura was worth 3k more to me than the Honda.

You might feel differently, but I like the exterior styling of the TLX better than the Accord, down to the alloy wheels. And after owning 4 Accords I got a little weary of meeting similar Accords at intersections. Anyway, for me the exterior style and better paint job of the TLX is probably worth about a grand.

The Accord's 1.5 turbo is peppy, but the sound isn't as refined as the TLX's 2.4, and the TLX is a bit faster too. The Accord's CVT is good, but I like the shift quality and sound of the TLX's 8-speed DCT with paddle shifters better. So the engine and transmission are worth to me another 1k.

Inside the Acura has nicer seats, nicer carpet, better controls, quieter ride, etc. for another 1k.

Then there's the better suspension, better brakes, better tires, better battery, hydraulic struts for the hood, etc.—1k.

Then something I really like that's standard on the TLX is the precision all-wheel-steering. All wheel steering is a $2000 option on high end Audis, but even cutting that in half I'll say that's worth another 1k over the Accord.

So far that adds up to c. 5k for me, but then it's true that the TLX has less legroom in the back than the Accord, and the TLX also doesn't have remote start, which the Accord has. So that's maybe a c. 1k advantage the Accord has. But that still means that to me the TLX base is "worth" at least 4k more than the comparable Accord.

So I think the TLX is more than worth its higher list price, but with the $6250 incentive that was available when I got my car, and the bigger discount off msrp and better trade-in I got, it turned out that even a TLX Tech had a slight price advantage over an Accord EXL.

Rear passenger legroom not a problem. I sat in the back seat on the test drive. With the back seat in the position I would normally drive in, this 6 footer had acceptable leg room....about an inch to spare. But yeah, if I'm going in the neighborhood of a $28k of $29k car, wouldn't make sense not to get the TLX base..if I like it.

jipster

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

Michaell

jipster said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

There aren't a lot of posts, but feel free to see if anything of value is there:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/59012/honda/accord/2020-honda-accord-deals-and-prices-purchase-discussion#latest

jipster

Michaell said:

jipster said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

There aren't a lot of posts, but feel free to see if anything of value is there:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/59012/honda/accord/2020-honda-accord-deals-and-prices-purchase-discussion#latest

Here's a 2020 EX... 1,000 miles....1 owner....certified. So, how does that happen? 1,000 miles? A lease? A dealer loaner car? A disgruntled buyer?

https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2020/vin/1HGCV1F49LA025297/?radius=50

Michaell

jipster said:

Michaell said:

jipster said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

There aren't a lot of posts, but feel free to see if anything of value is there:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/59012/honda/accord/2020-honda-accord-deals-and-prices-purchase-discussion#latest

Here's a 2020 EX... 1,000 miles....1 owner....certified. So, how does that happen? 1,000 miles? A lease? A dealer loaner car? A disgruntled buyer?

https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2020/vin/1HGCV1F49LA025297/?radius=50

Could also be a transaction that had to get unwound if the customer couldn't secure financing.

If it was a dealer loaner car, it wouldn't show as one owner.

As noted by others, prices on cars like this don't really provide much of a savings on a new car with close to 0 miles on it.

jipster

Michaell said:

jipster said:

Michaell said:

jipster said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

There aren't a lot of posts, but feel free to see if anything of value is there:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/59012/honda/accord/2020-honda-accord-deals-and-prices-purchase-discussion#latest

Here's a 2020 EX... 1,000 miles....1 owner....certified. So, how does that happen? 1,000 miles? A lease? A dealer loaner car? A disgruntled buyer?

https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2020/vin/1HGCV1F49LA025297/?radius=50

Could also be a transaction that had to get unwound if the customer couldn't secure financing.

If it was a dealer loaner car, it wouldn't show as one owner.

As noted by others, prices on cars like this don't really provide much of a savings on a new car with close to 0 miles on it.

Well, it is certified preowned. So powertrain warranty goes to 7/100,000 and bumper to bumper extended to 4/48,000. I suppose that's worth about a grand or two.

Asking $25,900. May be a good deal if can get another 1k or 2k off

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

got a nice surprise in the mail yesterday. A couple envelopes (one addressed to me, one to the wife) from an airbag settlement group. I thought it might be a notice that we could claim or some such. Apparently we already did, and each got a $72 check from Honda/Acura for the airbag issue. Not quite sure why since both cars involved had the bags replaced by the dealer at no cost to us.

$144, should pay for a years worth of gas at today's prices and never being able to go anywhere!

You should also feel good that the class action lawyers who filed the case probably kept a million for every one of those $72 checks. Money that you’ll pay in additional prices on your next car.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : have you decided what you're going to do with your old car? If it really has transmission problems then the trade-in will be very low, esp in this market. You might consider donating the car to charity, which is something I did once with an old car....

https://www.wheelsforwishes.org/kentucky/

I just found that one almost at random, but there are several charities that accept old cars as donations. Just a thought.

PS The interior of the base model TLX will be almost the same as the Tech model. As mentioned earlier, vinyl seats instead of leather, but for long-lasting economy and ease of maintenance seats like that are tough to beat. But it looks like Oxmoor has or is about to get a TLX Tech model in the white on white. I still think those look sharp, and the color combo has the advantage of being a little bit cooler when it's hot.

PPS You may have seen that an all-new TLX is due in just a few months. And so if it bothers you to get a car that's about to be phased out, you might want to consider something else.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32067802/acura-tlx-type-s-confirmed-2021/

Given that the dealer was offering only a thousand bucks he wouldn’t get much of a tax deduction. The feeling of doing good might be all he needs though.

I still say that’s a $3000 Craigslist car all day. Tell the customers about the tranny and let them decide. When we sold my son’s Mercury with the burnt valve and CEL we had a ton of interest from people who didn’t care. Either they were willing to fix it or they wanted the parts.

Or maybe they didn’t understand enough to care.

With the Mercury Milan.(possible timing engine issues), and the wifes Hyundai Veracruz (158,000 miles) I'm hoping to hold onto the Mariner as back-up..I have the feeling though it has some expensive transmission issues. If so, it's Craigslist. I'll let you have first crack on it oldfarmer. You get the Edmunds Gold Club member discount.

Maybe if it had half the miles.

You know, that Milan supposedly has these issues but it’s still running fine? Doesn’t that make you think that maybe the dealer either misdiagnosed the problem or was just trying to sell you an expensive repair? Maybe they pulled a code from a bad sensor and assumed it was something major.

My son inherited the PT Cruiser and last October it developed a sequence of Evap codes which no one has been able to isolate. Best guess is that a sensor has a bad wire somewhere and is sending bogus signals that the computer is interpreting as a missing gas cap.

Yes, knock on wood, the Milan has been running fine. It did throw an emissions code last week. "Jips Garage" installed a new cannister purge valve for $25. So far, so good.

The dealership originally said the car threw 6 codes (vct components, pcm detected a problem with camshaft sensor, camshaft position sensor, battery disconnected....and a couple more I can't remember). I did find it suspicious that the dealership never mentioned the fact that the car needed a new throttle body...which was the reason I brought the car in the first place. I didn't know it needed a new throttle body until I picked the car up to take it home, and noticed it written on the sales receipt. "Jip's Garage" installed a new throttle body for 1/10th what the dealership would have charged.

On the PT Cruiser, capless gas tank? Fuel filler neck code? Clean it out with an air gun. A little wd 40 on those contact point around the opening, work it in and out about 10 times with a funnel. Then I had the emissions code, which on the Milan I read the likely culprit was a clogged canister purge valve.

On the PT the purge valve was ok. Not a cap less tank. Had a new gas tank put in about 6 months prior. Replaced multiple gas caps. System was smoke tested, no leaks so I assume the fuel filler neck was either checked or replaced with the tank. Initial code was for small evap leak then progressed to large evap leak with the gas cap warning light.

The car has been pretty frustrating for rapid wear of multiple parts which nickel and dime. I’d replace it but with a CEL it’s virtually worthless. (Not that it’s worth much more in perfect shape).

stickguy

chatted with my sister last night. Seems the boredom of being cooped up has her thinking about getting a new car finally. She currently drives a 2009 Acura TSX with about 117K on it. The car that replaced the 2000 TL that I inherited from her with 145K on the clock, back in December, 2008. So she is definitely not a chronic buy.

I think she finally decided that it was time for some more modern features, and that she got the prime use out of it. She does sometimes have to commute a long way around the DC beltway for work, and does pretty long trips from there to NY every so often. So can't really blame her.

the interesting part, from when I last chatted, is what she is thinking about getting. I was assuming she would look at a TLX (continuing a theme after good luck with both her Acuras). She had a loaner not long ago and really liked it. But instead, for a lot of the usual reasons (such as sitting up higher, and ease of ingress/egress now that she is into her 60's, and plans to keep it for a decade+) she wanted to chat about smaller CUV type vehicles. So another sedan buyer, likely biting the dust!

does not need anything huge, so in the compact to small mid-sized range. And planning ahead wants to keep the budget somewhat under control. So we had a nice discussion about the Subaru options (she had been reading CR and looking at what they rated highly). Evaluated the Forester and Crosstrek since either would work. Pretty much determined that the wish list indicated a limited model. Also pointed her toward a Mazda, either the CX5 or new CX30. Any of those would likely suit her needs just fine.

not sure how she is going to accomplish looking at all of them (pretty sure dealer showrooms in VA are closed too, but can't swear to it) and I doubt she will want to get them to keep bringing cars out to her. and I am sure she will get hosed in this market on the trade. And this time I have no need for it!

benjaminh

stickguy said:

....I am sure she will get hosed in this market on the trade. And this time I have no need for it!

stick: I think your timing was good for trading in your old RDX. Have you seen if they've sold it yet?

My guess is that an Acura dealer is going to give her more in trade for her 2009 TSX than anyone else. They get the Acura customers in there who might be looking for a 1-owner car like that in good condition.

driver100

jipster said:

Michaell said:

jipster said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

There aren't a lot of posts, but feel free to see if anything of value is there:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/59012/honda/accord/2020-honda-accord-deals-and-prices-purchase-discussion#latest

Here's a 2020 EX... 1,000 miles....1 owner....certified. So, how does that happen? 1,000 miles? A lease? A dealer loaner car? A disgruntled buyer?

https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2020/vin/1HGCV1F49LA025297/?radius=50

Probably got really tired of the drab black interior.
The real question is, what did he pay for it when it was new?

stickguy

benjaminh said:

stickguy said:

....I am sure she will get hosed in this market on the trade. And this time I have no need for it!

stick: I think your timing was good for trading in your old RDX. Have you seen if they've sold it yet?

My guess is that an Acura dealer is going to give her more in trade for her 2009 TSX than anyone else. They get the Acura customers in there who might be looking for a 1-owner car like that in good condition.

they still have it. was up on the website the next day at $16,800 (actually a much better price than Carvana was asking for comparable cars). A week later dropped to $16,300. Yesterday I looked and it was down to $15,800. Must be really tough selling middle aged used cars in this market.

I would not have lost out. It was getting sold regardless for the same price, even if I did not trade it in. Just would have been going to Carvana, and they would be watching it grow moss!

benjaminh

driver100 said:

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Probably got really tired of the drab black interior.
The real question is, what did he pay for it when it was new?

Honda World in Louisville is offering their one new Accord EX for $26.9k, and you might be able to get it for less.

More than two years after this generation of Accord was introduced I still feel only so-so about the "black hole" front styling. I like rear "lobster claw" lights a bit better, but they are still maybe something of an acquired taste. The alloy wheels on this generation of Accord aren't my favorite, but they're ok I guess.

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/new-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-Accord-EX-1HGCV1F46LA040940

graphicguy

jipster said:

graphicguy said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

sda said:

jipster said:

stickguy said:

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

I’d still ask for the original deal. I can’t imagine that they aren’t desperate to sell those cars. Seems foolish on Acura’s part to cut incentives when their inventory is growing weeds.

The email I got back from the sales manager wasn't very encouraging. He said Acura wasnt going to increase incentives, the high incentives were to move inventory and help consumers during the corona crisis, and they would be getting the new TLX's in "soon". Made no effort to try to sell me the car. Basically here's the price, take it or leave it. So, still on the fence with this one.

After doing a little research, I think I will take a look at the Honda Accord. It's base model is very well loaded, and more importantly it's interior is suppose to be as high quality as their higher trim levels (minus the leather). I do like the exterior styling as well. Hopefully it's cloth seats won't be as cheesy looking as some I've looked at. Hard to tell by just looking at a video.It does have the 1.5 liter turbo and CVT..Scotty says "booooo" on both. But, what does Scotty know?. ;-)

do you want any of the features of the TLX that a lower level Accord won't have? Stuff like a good stereo, power passenger seat, moonroof, heated seats, LED lights (just a few things off the top of my head)? They are still nice cars, but IMO that the LX (which admittedly has had some content added to it including Honda sensing) is a bit cheaped out. The sweet spot to me is the EX, if you don't require leather, or EX-L if you do.

Want? Sure. Need? Not really. Would prefer not to have a moonroof. Heated seats and better stereo would be nice. The leather interior of the TLX was excellent. Ride, comfort, reliability, good power (doesn't need to be great) and nice interior are tops in my book. No touchscreen on the base Accord, which I would like. If I went up to the Ex or ExL price point, I'd probably just stay with the Acura.

The Accord Sport 1.5 has the upgraded infotainment with apple car play and android auto. No sunroof, better interior with power driver seat.

Only black interiors on all sport models. Though on the plus side, I'd be irresistible to women.

It sounds like the Acura dealer (the lady with the nice nails) didn't tell you the special offer was expiring. That seems like poor customer care to me. And, I don't believe their story completely......selling cars is going to be even more difficult in a few weeks, they may come out with a better deal somewhere else. It seems to me that dealer did absolutely nothing for you Jip.

Yeah, the sales manager addressed me by the wrong name too...Dan.

He asked if I was a bottom line or payment buyer. I responded "bottom line". He has not responded back. This was 2 or 3 days ago.

@jipster ...if you’re serious about the Acura, and don’t mind driving a little north across the river, I can set you up with my Acura “guy” (he’s the GM), I can guarantee you’ll get a good deal and treated very well.

Thanks g.g. May take you up on that. Your Acura guy live in Cincinnati? My daughter lives right across the river... in Newport. So wouldn't mind that a bit.

Just let me know. My dealership is about 25 minutes from Covington, across the river, in Butler County.

Be happy to help!

https://www.superioracurastore.com/

roadburner

So I think I’m going to see how much BMW will charge to install the M Performance PSK on the 540i; it would bump performance within 0.5 seconds of the M550i and give the car a more aggressive exhaust tone. Also in the mix, although a bit more expensive is a 2018 X3 M40i. I normally don’t look at CUVs for a “fun” vehicle but I loved the X5 4.6is press loaner I had several years ago as well as the X5M my son and I drove at the Heroes of Bavaria exhibit. Annihilating the brodozers at the Stoplight Grand Prix could be even more fun if accomplished using deceptively quick SUV.

snakeweasel

jipster said:

Michaell said:

jipster said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

There aren't a lot of posts, but feel free to see if anything of value is there:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/59012/honda/accord/2020-honda-accord-deals-and-prices-purchase-discussion#latest

Here's a 2020 EX... 1,000 miles....1 owner....certified. So, how does that happen? 1,000 miles? A lease? A dealer loaner car? A disgruntled buyer?

https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2020/vin/1HGCV1F49LA025297/?radius=50

A dealer loaner car would likely have more miles and not be a 1 owner since it wouldn't have been titled.

Could also be the buyer died and the family is liquidating the estate, the owner was transferred overseas and didn't want to deal with shipping it, it was a prize and the winner just wants to cash out, could be an Edmund's chronic car buyer, or it could be that the transmission failed driving home from the dealer and now that it's fixed the owner wants to dump it (actually happened to a old neighbor of mine).

graphicguy

jipster said:

Michaell said:

jipster said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

Accords traditionally were lousy used buys for that reason. often barely more for new vs. 2 YO CPO.

Somebody just posted a deal on a new Accord EX for less than $24k in GA. Before tax, title and tags, but still...

That's good to know. I didn't think many members actually came back and posted what they bought their car for, anymore. I see a few in the lease forums come back. Not like in the good ole days though.

There aren't a lot of posts, but feel free to see if anything of value is there:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/59012/honda/accord/2020-honda-accord-deals-and-prices-purchase-discussion#latest

Here's a 2020 EX... 1,000 miles....1 owner....certified. So, how does that happen? 1,000 miles? A lease? A dealer loaner car? A disgruntled buyer?

https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2020/vin/1HGCV1F49LA025297/?radius=50

Could have belonged to one of us in here who saw something shinier that they liked better.

qbrozen

roadburner said:

So I think I’m going to see how much BMW will charge to install the M Performance PSK on the 540i; it would bump performance within 0.5 seconds of the M550i and give the car a more aggressive exhaust tone. Also in the mix, although a bit more expensive is a 2018 X3 M40i. I normally don’t look at CUVs for a “fun” vehicle but I loved the X5 4.6is press loaner I had several years ago as well as the X5M my son and I drove at the Heroes of Bavaria exhibit. Annihilating the brodozers at the Stoplight Grand Prix could be even more fun if accomplished using deceptively quick SUV.

Is this to replace the M235? If considering the X3, you might want to consider looking at the X2, as well. Much lower center of gravity and compact footprint. Performance is very very close in a straight line, but the X2 is nearly 600 lb lighter, so roadholding is quite a bit higher.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

....Yesterday I looked and it was down to $15,800....

Iirc that's only a couple of grand away from what you got for it?

pensfan83

roadburner said:

So I think I’m going to see how much BMW will charge to install the M Performance PSK on the 540i; it would bump performance within 0.5 seconds of the M550i and give the car a more aggressive exhaust tone. Also in the mix, although a bit more expensive is a 2018 X3 M40i. I normally don’t look at CUVs for a “fun” vehicle but I loved the X5 4.6is press loaner I had several years ago as well as the X5M my son and I drove at the Heroes of Bavaria exhibit. Annihilating the brodozers at the Stoplight Grand Prix could be even more fun if accomplished using deceptively quick SUV.

The X3 M40i is on our radar too. It's appealing because my wife really likes the X3 and I would like the extra performance of the M40i trim.

stickguy

$14,400 or so.

stickguy

We didn’t try the 40, but did really like the 30 we test drove.

roadburner

Rather than the X2 I’d rather go with the John Cooper Works Clubman. My wife also likes the X3, and she would likely take it over in 2-3 years. My son would get the X1 and I’d find an M2C.

abacomike

Awakened this morning at 5:00 AM with some chest congestion. I have been using my inhaler and other medication for COPD, but still short of breath and congestion not getting any better. Doctor order Zythromycin (Zpak) from the pharmacy - since I get pneumonia fairly frequently due to the COPD, he doesn't want to take any chances. I have a slight cough, but no fever or headaches which are the symptoms of the corona virus. He said I might just be getting a cold or the flu, but when it starts in my chest, like this, doctor always gets concerned.

Just what I needed - something else to worry about.

suydam

Oh I am so sorry! In this environment we worry even about sniffles! Hope it turns out ok.

driver100

Hope your feeling better soon Mike!

benjaminh

Hang in there @abacomike !

qbrozen

roadburner said:

Rather than the X2 I’d rather go with the John Cooper Works Clubman. My wife also likes the X3, and she would likely take it over in 2-3 years. My son would get the X1 and I’d find an M2C.

Is there a JCW clubman that can hit 60 in 4.5 secs?

tjc78

Catching up... this thread has been busy

@28firefighter @abacomike Hope you guys feel better soon!

@imidazol97

Was your Torino one that was afflicted by the plastic timing gear tips? That was certainly one of Ford's stupider ideas.

RE: Washing Machines We have a Maytag HE top loader. I'm pretty sure it was their top model a few years ago. It was pretty noisy from day one, and has only gotten louder during spin cycle. I've read it's the bearing and it basically totals the machine. My wife and mother told me I'm nuts but I know it has gotten worse, but kinda plateaued and hasn't for awhile. If it goes, the older Maytag HE top loader in the basement will be brought up.

@stickguy Yes, you certainly can put a head unit in with Apple Car Play provided the vehicle has a dash that will accept a double din unit.

Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-XAV-AX5000-CarPlay-Receiver-BLUETOOTH/dp/B07CB3CB1V/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=H76JY2B0P318&dchild=1&keywords=double+din+apple+carplay&qid=1586799945&sprefix=double+din+apple,aps,249&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&smid=A1O9Z3VYY71U6N&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFUSksyWjNSMk02UjcmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1OTY5MThWWTNETTdIR0JHREsmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDY3NDcwNzFJNEJXQzFCN0g5USZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

roadburner

qbrozen said:

roadburner said:

Rather than the X2 I’d rather go with the John Cooper Works Clubman. My wife also likes the X3, and she would likely take it over in 2-3 years. My son would get the X1 and I’d find an M2C.

Is there a JCW clubman that can hit 60 in 4.5 secs?

4.7 seconds according to Car and Driver.

Sandman6472

Still have the old style Whirlpool washer with the center agitator, works just fine. Bought in 2014 as I recall alongside a Whirlpool dryer with a door that drops down. When we bought the spec house, laundry had a separate room outside off the garage. Silly really to have to go into the garage and then into another little room with the side by side units. Wife asked builder if we could put a pocket door off the family room and get rid of the door into the garage? They said sure and made the revisions...best move we ever did. Once the neighbor saw what we did, they copied it as it's silly to have to leave the house while doing the wash. Just open the pocket door now and there we are. I do most of it anyways. Do sheets once a week, towels once a week and now, my clothes once a week. Guess I ruined one outfit too many so she's taken over doing her own wash which is fine by me!
Since we needed a new side by side refrigerator plus the new a/c system in 2019, am hoping 2020 will be new appliance free. Oven was checked and all seems to be working as intended which I was pleased to hear. Just do not want or need any big bills this year to be honest. Besides getting the sprinklers fixed, that's the extent I wan to do here. Family room/kitchen area needs a whole new paint color but figure once we start that, she'll want the whole interior done. Sure, it could use it by now, but, just not up to the whole get ready for painting routine right now!

qbrozen

roadburner said:

qbrozen said:

roadburner said:

Rather than the X2 I’d rather go with the John Cooper Works Clubman. My wife also likes the X3, and she would likely take it over in 2-3 years. My son would get the X1 and I’d find an M2C.

Is there a JCW clubman that can hit 60 in 4.5 secs?

4.7 seconds according to Car and Driver.

Ah, a new one "mechanically identical to the X2 M35i." Interesting. Shaves about another 100 lb, it looks like. Wonder how the interior room compares. Very interesting.

imidazol97

tjc78 said:

@imidazol97

Was your Torino one that was afflicted by the plastic timing gear tips? That was certainly one of Ford's stupider ideas.

Yes. The dealers said about 70K mi was all they were good for.

tjc78 said:

RE: Washing Machines We have a Maytag HE top loader. I'm pretty sure it was their top model a few years ago. It was pretty noisy from day one, and has only gotten louder during spin cycle. I've read it's the bearing and it basically totals the machine. My wife and mother told me I'm nuts but I know it has gotten worse, but kinda plateaued and hasn't for awhile. If it goes, the older Maytag HE top loader in the basement will be brought up.

Had been looking at online models trying to understand the Maytag/Whirlpool mix. Went this morning to one box store that blew me off when I asked questions. Stopped at nearby Lowes on way home and the same salesperson who sold 4 appliances for kitchen 5 years ago was there. He explained about the direct drive motor vs the belt drives that were noisy. When we bought the Cabrio/Bravos Maytag for son in his first apartment here, it has a noisy growl. I'd read last night that Whirlpool had moved the Cabrio/Bravos name down to lower models so people would buy them thinking they were higher quality,

So I'm hoping the direct drive motor will be as quiet as our previous Cabrio.

Bought a Maytag 5.3 cu ft higher line without the smart phone business and without the agitator in the middle. Apparently a lot of people want agitators and Whirlpool and Maytag both offer models with and without the agitator post int he middle.

They're so low on buisiness Lowes could have delivered tomorrow if the one of the pair had been in their store stockroom. Takes one day to order in. I could have any delivery morning or afternoon. Might be why Whirlpool site is showing a sale for direct purchase from them and Lowes just started a 3-day sale before taxes are due on the 15th. Oh. Wait. That changed!!!! But the sale saved some money.

imidazol97

I knew today would be a good day when I went to Kroger and the pharmacy had the right type of flip off cap on the prescriptions instead of the screw ons AND in the home cleaning aisle the worker was opening boxes of disinfectant wipes. I'd been hitting the store at odd times hoping to grab another can of wipes for the other car. The one in there is 10 years old. From the H1N1 scare or SARS, whichever, that I had bought for my son's high school. And didn't need to send them in the end.

My wife is stunned that I looked at washers and dryers and bought one the first day. I usually shop in store more to compare and be sure. But this Lowes had all the variations I wanted to have my wife pick from. I had her come in from the car. She looked. She picked. That was great.

I was dissed at the Menards store where my wife wanted to go to the greenhouse. Three appliance department workers chatting standing where they're not readily visible. I asked who was expert of Whirlpool and asked why they didn't have Cabrio models. "They discontinued those," was the response. I said that some websites still showed higher line models with the Cabrio name that the store didn't have--they just had cheaped low line models. She then said, "Well they discontinued them in the store.

driver100

It odd, but if you go from a 2019 Accord to a 2018, with about 8k or 10k more miles on it, you only save about $1000!

So, then I got curious how much less a 2016 would be. These things really hold their value! 36000 miles, $14, 651. Another question....why $651...I mean what is the $1 all about?
For some unknown reason you can get a new 2020 1.5LX for $22,941.
What am I missing? And isn't it worth $8000 more to get a 2020 instead of a 2016? It is like 4 years difference and 36000 miles for $8000!
2020 Honda Accord

suydam

Most folks use the high efficiency, no center agitator in the West where water is precious. I like them, but I’d get a different one than the Whirlpool we bought due lack of features that matter to me. We don’t have a lot of choice as our laundry area is pretty tight and can’t accommodate most of the new enormous washing machines.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

It odd, but if you go from a 2019 Accord to a 2018, with about 8k or 10k more miles on it, you only save about $1000!

So, then I got curious how much less a 2016 would be. These things really hold their value! 36000 miles, $14, 651. Another question....why $651...I mean what is the $1 all about?
For some unknown reason you can get a new 2020 1.5LX for $22,941.
What am I missing? And isn't it worth $8000 more to get a 2020 instead of a 2016? It is like 4 years difference and 36000 miles for $8000!
2020 Honda Accord

For people that don't have $8,000, they aren't going to spend $8,000. Nor are they going to try justifying that amount of money by working the cost down to the hour. If you don't have it you just don't have it. While you and I may have it, a lot of people don't. That's life.

As for this $1 thing, I don't know where that came from either but when I sold Mrs. j's 2012 Subie last April, Carvana gave me $12,751 for it so I took it. I saw no benefit of working that down to an even $12,750.

jmonroe

ab348

You should have held out for $12,752.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

You should have held out for $12,752.

Now you tell me. Where were you last April when I was doing my cyfering?

jmonroe

driver100

ab348 said:

You should have held out for $12,752.

yeh, the great negotiator lost out!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

It odd, but if you go from a 2019 Accord to a 2018, with about 8k or 10k more miles on it, you only save about $1000!

So, then I got curious how much less a 2016 would be. These things really hold their value! 36000 miles, $14, 651. Another question....why $651...I mean what is the $1 all about?
For some unknown reason you can get a new 2020 1.5LX for $22,941.
What am I missing? And isn't it worth $8000 more to get a 2020 instead of a 2016? It is like 4 years difference and 36000 miles for $8000!
2020 Honda Accord

For people that don't have $8,000, they aren't going to spend $8,000. Nor are they going to try justifying that amount of money by working the cost down to the hour. If you don't have it you just don't have it. While you and I may have it, a lot of people don't. That's life.

As for this $1 thing, I don't know where that came from either but when I sold Mrs. j's 2012 Subie last April, Carvana gave me $12,751 for it so I took it. I saw no benefit of working that down to an even $12,750.

jmonroe

I do realize that...thought it was understood, if you don't have it you don't have it....but, if you can round it up the new one is really worth $8000 more....and it has a new car warranty! Won't need tires for awhile either.

sda

driver100 said:

It odd, but if you go from a 2019 Accord to a 2018, with about 8k or 10k more miles on it, you only save about $1000!

So, then I got curious how much less a 2016 would be. These things really hold their value! 36000 miles, $14, 651. Another question....why $651...I mean what is the $1 all about?
For some unknown reason you can get a new 2020 1.5LX for $22,941.
What am I missing? And isn't it worth $8000 more to get a 2020 instead of a 2016? It is like 4 years difference and 36000 miles for $8000!
2020 Honda Accord

I often buy used cars that are a couple of years old to benefit from the depreciation. I did buy the Accord new because a used one one or two years old were priced so high. I think I paid less than $3k more for my new (then) 13 Accord vs a used 12 Accord EX.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

You should have held out for $12,752.

yeh, the great negotiator lost out!

You know what, I just did a quick calculation. I can barely see that $1 when I amatorize it per day for a single year. If I try to do it per hour or for more years, my calculator starts smoking.

jmonroe

tjc78

imidazol97 said:

tjc78 said:

@imidazol97

Was your Torino one that was afflicted by the plastic timing gear tips? That was certainly one of Ford's stupider ideas.

Yes. The dealers said about 70K mi was all they were good for.

tjc78 said:

RE: Washing Machines We have a Maytag HE top loader. I'm pretty sure it was their top model a few years ago. It was pretty noisy from day one, and has only gotten louder during spin cycle. I've read it's the bearing and it basically totals the machine. My wife and mother told me I'm nuts but I know it has gotten worse, but kinda plateaued and hasn't for awhile. If it goes, the older Maytag HE top loader in the basement will be brought up.

Had been looking at online models trying to understand the Maytag/Whirlpool mix. Went this morning to one box store that blew me off when I asked questions. Stopped at nearby Lowes on way home and the same salesperson who sold 4 appliances for kitchen 5 years ago was there. He explained about the direct drive motor vs the belt drives that were noisy. When we bought the Cabrio/Bravos Maytag for son in his first apartment here, it has a noisy growl. I'd read last night that Whirlpool had moved the Cabrio/Bravos name down to lower models so people would buy them thinking they were higher quality,

So I'm hoping the direct drive motor will be as quiet as our previous Cabrio.

Bought a Maytag 5.3 cu ft higher line without the smart phone business and without the agitator in the middle. Apparently a lot of people want agitators and Whirlpool and Maytag both offer models with and without the agitator post int he middle.

They're so low on buisiness Lowes could have delivered tomorrow if the one of the pair had been in their store stockroom. Takes one day to order in. I could have any delivery morning or afternoon. Might be why Whirlpool site is showing a sale for direct purchase from them and Lowes just started a 3-day sale before taxes are due on the 15th. Oh. Wait. That changed!!!! But the sale saved some money.

I have to look and see if mine is a direct or belt drive. Good luck with your new one

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

Same with Judge Judy. Not hard to tell she's got her mind made up from paper work or from what the producers have told her to say about each case and defendant vs plaintiff. I'd hope I'd receive a fairer hearing were I in court than I see on the JJ show.

The Hot 'Bench brand of JJ empire is predictable as to what each of the 3 judges will argue in the private consulation.

I don't think the judges know ahead of time...it would take the spontaneity out of the show. I like they way they can ask the questions that get to the truth....ask enough good questions and something won't add up. I like Judge Demango and her New York accent...she'll ask and say anything....and knows how to get to the truth.

By the time they go to the back room you know the verdict, I like to hear the thinking process though. Funny when they disagree though.....that means in a real court it may depend on what judge you get.

Just like my cousin @jmonroe, I don't watch judge shows. Are you saying that there are judge shows that have multiple judges and it's something like majority rule? If so these judge shows are more of a circus than I thought. As for real court rooms, of course it depends on which judge you get and defence and prosecuting attorneys base their case strategy on this. I hope this isn't a revelation for you.

jmonroe

My traffic lawyer in the most recent case sucessfully pre-emptorily challenged and removed the first assigned judge, so they could negotiate with someone more reasonable.

Even I haven't had the guts to do this defending myself, though the self-help books show you how. There is not a reliable "yelp" style review process on traffic court judges. I wouldn't know if I was getting rid of bad for baddest.