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oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

So I've been researching the M Performance Power and Sound Kit; it turns out that BMW provides a new torque converter in addition to the low restriction exhaust and the ECU remap- so that increases the installation costs a bit. The new exhaust doesn't drone and is only significantly louder than stock above 4500 rpm. For me the fact that the system was engineered by BMW makes it worth the added expense. I'd definitely want it installed on the 540i xDrive.

Is that a factory option or an aftermarket installation? Ford has a number of performance upgrades that you can buy for the Mustang directly from them for aftermarket installation. I’m sure that has something to do with EPA regulations. Since they’re from Ford they maintain all warranties.

roadburner

Jip, go with the Accord 2.0; heck my wife’s X1 is faster than a 1.5, and as I have noted before CVTs suck.
Hard.
As for turbos, I’ve owned five and I have replaced exactly one-count ‘em-ONE turbo, and that was under warranty at 20k miles due to a batch of turbos with bad seals that were sent to Mazda.
Go fast or go home.

roadburner

Here’s an idea Jip- why not take a walk on the almost wild side and check out a Veloster N? And don’t bother with the Oxmorons; Bachman Hyundai has two- both with the essential Performance Package.
It’s a FWD car that even I like.

tjc78

Veloster is pretty small inside compared to an Accord, no?

stickguy

Not exactly apples to apples. More like apples to a grape.

The 1.5/CVT drivetrain works well in that car. Smooth, more than adequate power and excellent economy. Especially for someone interested in smooth cheap highway commuting, not taking it on the track or going canyon racing.

imidazol97

As for turbos, I’ve owned five and I have replaced exactly one-count ‘em-ONE turbo, and that was under warranty at 20k miles due to a batch of turbos with bad seals that were sent to Mazda.
Go fast or go home.

I would expect a 1.5 L turbo engine to be taxed at a higher percentage of its ability more of the time than a 2.0 L turbo engine would taxed in normal driving. Does that then lead to the conclusion that the 2.0 L T would not be as likely to "break"?

I'd see it as the early V8 vs V6 comparisons. The larger engine loafs along more easily accelerating with its higher torque due to displacement.

And how different is the gas mileage in normal stop/go driving between a 1.5 and 2.0?

imidazol97

fintail said:

I'd find a nice aftermarket set not going for the "directional" design Honda seems to have jumped on for many passenger cars and CUVs. More of the current stylist/designer trend to desperately seek "character" or "excitement" when everything has been done already.

Regarding the shifter discussion, I still like the current MB column shift - gets it out of the way, and quickly becomes muscle memory.

imidazol97 said:

What wheels would you like to see on your Honda?

I was curious if you had seen a particular wheel that's good on that vehicle or not.

I notice wheels a lot. I realized that I bought each of my cars because the wheels, covers or rims, really appealed to me. The 1977 Cutlass with color-matched Rally rims was one. The chrome rims on the 2003 leSabre Celebration model is another along with the particular rims on my Malibu. Same for the Cobalt and not so much for the Cruze; the rims were nice however.

benjaminh

@jipster : Here's a possible 2.0 option that's at the Wyler Honda dealer in Ohio, but potentially if you could make a deal they might drive it down for you. I actually think the Accord looks good in red, and the light leather interior looks nice. This EXL 2.0 has the 10-speed transmission and the R-type 2.0 turbo with paddle shifters. EXL also gives you the uplevel stereo, build-in garage door opener, memory seat, Michelin tires, and auto dimming rear view mirror. For a few thousand more dollars it does change a standard sedan into something more special in terms of performance and luxury. But sticking to a budget is sometimes also a good idea!

https://jeffwylercolerainhonda.net/new/Honda/2020-Honda-Accord-b94bb4b50a0e0adf1ea85fd36c72dc8a.htm

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jwm40517 said:

Hey oldfarmer, I got an email from IRS recently that said they would not be processing paper returns anytime soon. If you have a refund coming it will be awhile.

Ha ha, I owed money. Sure fooled them.

If you said something, I'm sure I could have saved you 15% maybe more. Too late now.

jmonroe

As much as I enjoy reading your posts I don’t think I want to share a jail cell with you.

So far so good but if and when it ain't so good, yeah, I snore.

jmonroe

stickguy

Nice color combo. Skinny sidewalks probably.

stickguy

Not sure about real world but there is a huge difference on EPA rating. 22/32 vs. 30/38.

Edit: make that 23/34. Lower numbers were for the touring or sport with the 19” wheels and more aggressive (I assume) 40 series tires. EXL has 50 series 17” wheels.

driver100

benjaminh said:

@jipster : Here's a possible 2.0 option that's at the Wyler Honda dealer in Ohio, but potentially if you could make a deal they might drive it down for you. I actually think the Accord looks good in red, and the light leather interior looks nice. This EXL 2.0 has the 10-speed transmission and the R-type 2.0 turbo with paddle shifters. EXL also gives you the uplevel stereo, build-in garage door opener, memory seat, Michelin tires, and auto dimming rear view mirror. For a few thousand more dollars it does change a standard sedan into something more special in terms of performance and luxury. But sticking to a budget is sometimes also a good idea!

https://jeffwylercolerainhonda.net/new/Honda/2020-Honda-Accord-b94bb4b50a0e0adf1ea85fd36c72dc8a.htm

That's a fair bump up in price.....in this case you may want to watch for a one or two year old CPO's model. If it were me, I would use the Driver100 dollar averaging system. That red Accord with a beige interior, 2.0 engine plus turbo, has everything I need, I know I won't get tired of it in 2 years and wish I had bought it......so it could last me 10 years.....so for an extra $4000 over my supposed budget it equals $400 a year for a car I am going to love - I personally would do it, and if I couldn't I would look for something similar that is one or two years old, try to get the price below $25000. But, I have come to the conclusion, it is hard to come out ahead on a CPO Honda, compared to new.

stickguy

CPO Honda’s rarely are the best financial decision traditionally.

driver100

"imidazol97"
I would expect a 1.5 L turbo engine to be taxed at a higher percentage of its ability more of the time than a 2.0 L turbo engine would taxed in normal driving. Does that then lead to the conclusion that the 2.0 L T would not be as likely to "break"?
I'd see it as the early V8 vs V6 comparisons. The larger engine loafs along more easily accelerating with its higher torque due to displacement.
And how different is the gas mileage in normal stop/go driving between a 1.5 and 2.0?

I agree about larger engines, like you say they don't work as hard, so tend to last longer...IMHO.

venture

I just checked my checking account. The stimulus money was deposited today. In case anyone cares.

driver100

venture said:

I just checked my checking account. The stimulus money was deposited today. In case anyone cares.

Today was supposed to be the day....but if mailed, they are saying one month or so.......

jmonroe1

venture said:

I just checked my checking account. The stimulus money was deposited today. In case anyone cares.

Another reason why I cheat when doing my taxes. There ain't no free lunches. :@

jmonroe

imidazol97

I'm probably the only one here who's due a refund and haven't gotten around to finishing my federal tax forms. There's something neat about waiting until after 415 to send it in.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jwm40517 said:

Hey oldfarmer, I got an email from IRS recently that said they would not be processing paper returns anytime soon. If you have a refund coming it will be awhile.

Ha ha, I owed money. Sure fooled them.

If you said something, I'm sure I could have saved you 15% maybe more. Too late now.

jmonroe

As much as I enjoy reading your posts I don’t think I want to share a jail cell with you.

So far so good but if and when it ain't so good, yeah, I snore.

jmonroe

....he can probably put up with the snoring....just don't start telling him long rambling stories.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

"imidazol97"
I would expect a 1.5 L turbo engine to be taxed at a higher percentage of its ability more of the time than a 2.0 L turbo engine would taxed in normal driving. Does that then lead to the conclusion that the 2.0 L T would not be as likely to "break"?
I'd see it as the early V8 vs V6 comparisons. The larger engine loafs along more easily accelerating with its higher torque due to displacement.
And how different is the gas mileage in normal stop/go driving between a 1.5 and 2.0?

I agree about larger engines, like you say they don't work as hard, so tend to last longer...IMHO.

It's a rare day when I agree with you but today is one of those days. My philosophy has always been, if the car I want can be had with a larger engine, that's the one I'm buying. I have never deviated from that philosophy. It's a damn good thing I don't care about gas mileage.

jmonroe

benjaminh

driver100 said:

....so it could last me 10 years.....so for an extra $4000 over my supposed budget it equals $400 a year for a car I am going to love....

This is a good point imho. For about a dollar a day you go from an above average sedan to something special.

graphicguy

Been a little while, but I actually test drove the Accord 2.0 at one of those “test drive and we give you gift cards” events. That’s a quick car for a family sedan. Comfortable, too.

Understand I drove it maybe 3-4 blocks, so not a good indication of how it would do on interstates or rural roads. But, it seemed higher quality than the typical family sedans in the general price range.

Not sure about the 1.5L. But, given a choice of more HP, vs better fuel economy, I always opt for the power bump.

jmonroe1

benjaminh said:

driver100 said:

....so it could last me 10 years.....so for an extra $4000 over my supposed budget it equals $400 a year for a car I am going to love....

This is a good point imho. For about a dollar a day you go from an above average sedan to something special.

Another one !!!

jmonroe

jmonroe1

Been a little while, but I actually test drove the Accord 2.0 at one of those “test drive and we give you gift cards” events. That’s a quick car for a family sedan. Comfortable, too.

Understand I drove it maybe 3-4 blocks, so not a good indication of how it would do on interstates or rural roads. But, it seemed higher quality than the typical family sedans in the general price range.

Not sure about the 1.5L. But, given a choice of more HP, vs better fuel economy, I always opt for the power bump.

Another one of those too.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

@jipster

Do you have the RODO leasing APP for your phone? There is a 2020 Accord EXL 2.0 (Lunar Silver Metallic/Black) with an MSRP of $33,650. Leasing for 36 months/12K per year for $349 per month with $349 Due At Signing. It includes $5,911 in discounts & rebates ($4,411 discount, $500 Rebate, $1000 loyalty).

jipster

benjaminh said:

@jipster : I don't know if it's worth it, but for just $900 more you can get a brand new Accord EX with the light interior....

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/new-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-Accord-EX-1HGCV1F46LA040940

And as you know there are two Honda dealers in town. When we got our Honda CR-V a couple of years ago Jeff Wyler Honda seemed to take personal delight in beating the deal offered by Honda World. We got the car from Wyler. You might consider calling them up and seeing if they can give you a better price on an Accord EX....

https://jeffwylerhondaautomall.com/

PS And I hesitate to say this, but did you listen to the stereo in the Accord EX? It's probably good enough for your needs. But if you're someone who likes a really good stereo in your car the Accord EX isn't your best choice. The Accord EXL has a significantly better stereo.

PPS Also hesitate to mention this, but have you considered the Accord Hybrid (c. 45 mpg) or the Accord 2.0 with the 10-speed (0-60 in c. 5.8, compared to c. 7.2 with the 1.5CVT). Probably neither of those are what you are wanting, but just in case....

0.9% interest on New 2019 specific model Accords? Interesting. May check out Jeff Wyler, though cousin had a horrible buying experience with them.

benjaminh

This is the a video review of a 2020 Accord EX-L 2.0. It is by a salesperson, but he still gives some good info imho, including at 6 minutes a demonstration of the voice commands for navigation, and at 11 minutes a brief demonstration of acceleration in sport mode....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTl3qWATvqU

snakeweasel

houdini1 said:

28firefighter said:

Would you call it the America Virus if it had originated here?

28firefighter said:

Would you call it the America Virus if it had originated here?

As someone mentioned the other day, the Spanish Flu actually started in the U.S., Kansas to be more specific. I live in the U.S and in Kansas, and I was not even a little bit upset. It probably should be called the Kansas Flu. It was interesting. We have to investigate and know the origins of these deadly diseases to try to keep them from happening again. Besides, China did not do themselves any favor keeping this outbreak under wraps for so long, and if true, they need to answer for that. The government, not the people of China. I am sure the people there want the same things we do, peace, prosperity, and freedom.

From what I have read on the subject there were outbreaks in Europe prior to the Spanish flu showing up in Kansas that were most likely the Spanish Flu. While the origin of it is in question most scholars on this issue seem to agree it was somewhere in Europe.

venture

imidazol97 said:

I'm probably the only one here who's due a refund and haven't gotten around to finishing my federal tax forms. There's something neat about waiting until after 415 to send it in.

I agree, but I changed banks and wanted the new account documented with the IRS in case there was stimulus money to be doled out. Every so often something goes right.

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

houdini1 said:

Jmonroe, I saw this cartoon today that made me think of you. It was entitled Lupiswaxaphobia, and said it was the fear of being chased around the dining room table by wolves, while only wearing socks on a freshly waxed floor.

I don't have an imagined phobia, I have real fear.

jmonroe

So do I, I have a phobia of German sausage. That's right I fear the wurst.

venture

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

"imidazol97"
I would expect a 1.5 L turbo engine to be taxed at a higher percentage of its ability more of the time than a 2.0 L turbo engine would taxed in normal driving. Does that then lead to the conclusion that the 2.0 L T would not be as likely to "break"?
I'd see it as the early V8 vs V6 comparisons. The larger engine loafs along more easily accelerating with its higher torque due to displacement.
And how different is the gas mileage in normal stop/go driving between a 1.5 and 2.0?

I agree about larger engines, like you say they don't work as hard, so tend to last longer...IMHO.

It's a rare day when I agree with you but today is one of those days. My philosophy has always been, if the car I want can be had with a larger engine, that's the one I'm buying. I have never deviated from that philosophy. It's a damn good thing I don't care about gas mileage.

jmonroe

Me too.

snakeweasel

jwm40517 said:

Hey oldfarmer, I got an email from IRS recently that said they would not be processing paper returns anytime soon. If you have a refund coming it will be awhile.

Are you sure it was from the IRS? Did you have previous correspondence with them via email?

jipster

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

....The new Accords have about a grand in dealer add ons. Don't think that is reflected in the internet price....

When it comes to dealer add-ons so far I've been successful when saying, more or less, "I don't want any of that add on stuff. That would be a deal breaker." They sometimes fuss a little, but then they just throw in the floor mats, pinstripes, "fabric protector" or whatever for no cost.

Although I prefer the TLX's 2.4/DCT, the Accord's standard 1.5T/CVT has good acceleration and impressive mpg. That standard Accord has almost as much interior room as a full-size car from the 1980s (like the 1988 Olds 98 I used to own), but it's rated to get c. 38 mpg on the highway. My Olds was a downsized car, but with its 6-cylinder engine and 4-speed auto I got about 25 on the highway. And if you went back to before the Olds 98 was downsized the previous generation of 98 with a V-8 probably got about 18 on the highway. So over 40 years the highway mpg of a car with full-sized room has doubled—and the standard Accord accelerates more quickly than those old full-size cars too.

And jipster, unless you want a sports car level of acceleration you might not need the Accord's 2.0. And it will add a few thousand dollars to the price, and of course it gets lower mpg—32 on the highway.

Finally, since you keep your cars a very long time, you are probably aware that in general turbo engines probably won't last as long as naturally aspirated engines. A turbo engine is just more complicated, and there are more things that can wear out and fail if you are keeping the car for ten years or more. A turbo puts more stress on various things. Honda only started building turbo engines in a big way starting about 5 years ago, and so we don't know what the long-term reliability and durability will be for these turbo engines at this point. And so my earlier guess that almost all Honda engines when meticulously maintained are going to last 200,000 miles was really quite a guess. That might not pan out, which might make that Honda World "lifetime" warranty something to think about.

I'd certainly feel more comfortable with Honda World's lifetime powertrain or 100,000 miles certified warranty, but it will come at a price. And yes ,I've thought about the new Honda turbo and cvt, which makes Honda World look better with their warranty. Thinking the 2.0 would certainly hold up better in the long run...over the 1.5.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

I'm probably the only one here who's due a refund and haven't gotten around to finishing my federal tax forms. There's something neat about waiting until after 415 to send it in.

now you can wait till 7/15.

stickguy

Told my daughter to check and she got her deposit today so was happy about that.

If I decided on an accord for my next car, likely would end up with that EXL 2.0 also. So far, pleased with that drivetrain in the RDX. Quick and shifts fine. Who knows about mileage at this point since only up to about 175 miles in just over a month. Haven’t even gotten gas yet.

And if I wanted a sedan would probably get the Honda over another TLX if it was noticeably cheaper. Especially now that they will have same drivetrain.

graphicguy

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : I don't know if it's worth it, but for just $900 more you can get a brand new Accord EX with the light interior....

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/new-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-Accord-EX-1HGCV1F46LA040940

And as you know there are two Honda dealers in town. When we got our Honda CR-V a couple of years ago Jeff Wyler Honda seemed to take personal delight in beating the deal offered by Honda World. We got the car from Wyler. You might consider calling them up and seeing if they can give you a better price on an Accord EX....

https://jeffwylerhondaautomall.com/

PS And I hesitate to say this, but did you listen to the stereo in the Accord EX? It's probably good enough for your needs. But if you're someone who likes a really good stereo in your car the Accord EX isn't your best choice. The Accord EXL has a significantly better stereo.

PPS Also hesitate to mention this, but have you considered the Accord Hybrid (c. 45 mpg) or the Accord 2.0 with the 10-speed (0-60 in c. 5.8, compared to c. 7.2 with the 1.5CVT). Probably neither of those are what you are wanting, but just in case....

0.9% interest on New 2019 specific model Accords? Interesting. May check out Jeff Wyler, though cousin had a horrible buying experience with them.

For reasons we can only guess, Wyler seems to have gone through a period where they were only hiring "green peas" who had no car selling experience. As such, they seemed to have more sales people who weren't very knowledgable, nor very acute when dealing with the customer who has bought and sold a lot of cars.

So, they were sales people that were mostly working from their sales training "script" all the time.

Having dealt with them on the Kia, and at the Honda Colerain Ave store in Cincinnati relatively recently, they seem to be hiring better quality people into their sales staff.

That said, I do like the Performance Group for Honda purchases (Performance Honda in Fairfield, OH). No games....pretty straight forward.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

As for turbos, I’ve owned five and I have replaced exactly one-count ‘em-ONE turbo, and that was under warranty at 20k miles due to a batch of turbos with bad seals that were sent to Mazda.
Go fast or go home.

I would expect a 1.5 L turbo engine to be taxed at a higher percentage of its ability more of the time than a 2.0 L turbo engine would taxed in normal driving. Does that then lead to the conclusion that the 2.0 L T would not be as likely to "break"?

I'd see it as the early V8 vs V6 comparisons. The larger engine loafs along more easily accelerating with its higher torque due to displacement.

And how different is the gas mileage in normal stop/go driving between a 1.5 and 2.0?



There’s some intuitive logic in thinking that a turboed engine Is more highly stressed than a larger NA motor of similar power. But have there been any tests done to see if one will outlast the other in normal driving?

I remember reading back in the 80s and 90s about turbos failing early or engines blowing heads because they couldn’t handle the extra pressure. In fact that was one way I judged how robust an engine was. If it could be successfully turboed (like the GM 3800) it would likely last a long time non turboed.

jipster

roadburner said:

Jip, go with the Accord 2.0; heck my wife’s X1 is faster than a 1.5, and as I have noted before CVTs suck.
Hard.
As for turbos, I’ve owned five and I have replaced exactly one-count ‘em-ONE turbo, and that was under warranty at 20k miles due to a batch of turbos with bad seals that were sent to Mazda.
Go fast or go home.

Well, from the previous cars I've driven, the Accord 1.5 felt somewhat fast. I laid down some rubber a couple of times in yesterday's test drive. LOL.
During that test drive yesterday had me curious as how the 2.0 would feel.
Wife is telling me to "BUY SOMETHING" , but I've gone this far. I'll maintain the current.course.

My friend has a Veloster. Nice. But a little small for my taste.
LOL on Oxmorons "

stickguy

The 2.0 is borderline too much power for a FWD car. You will easily spin the tires, or at least, trigger the TC to kick in to maintain peace.

If the 1.5 is powerful enough for you, the 2.0 might not be worth the extra money. Your call.

driver100

I don't know if this is real but this new 2020 2.0 liter Accord sells for $28450. The list of features is impressive if you check their site...even a moon roof and wood grain, leather seats etc. You got the whole package, plus the warranty, and first two oil changes...may want to show this to your dealer Jip.

Brandon Honda

benjaminh

I know some people here don't like Scotty K, and so for those please try to pass this by and just ignore. But he says in this video from five days ago that Ford Ecoboost engines sometimes have issues, such as the 2.0T that he's talking about in a 2013 Explorer. And he also says that a lot of small turbos from different brands might have issues in the long run....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnMct0xjPoQ&t=462s

oldfarmer50

venture said:

I just checked my checking account. The stimulus money was deposited today. In case anyone cares.

Money comes to money, they say. With my luck I’ll see the dough for the next pandemic.

I assume you’re not on social security and they have your direct deposit info. I’m hearing that us old codgers will have to wait awhile even though they direct deposit our SS checks.

tjc78

My mom is on SS and got her deposit today.
She filed her 2019 back in March with DD information.

abacomike

I got my direct deposit this morning from the FED - $900.50. So I am assuming most will be out today or tomorrow.

Starting to feel a little better - that Z-Pack (Zithromycin) must be working. Chest congestion is significantly reduced. No fever as of yet - so I hope this progress continues.

venture

oldfarmer50 said:

venture said:

I just checked my checking account. The stimulus money was deposited today. In case anyone cares.

Money comes to money, they say. With my luck I’ll see the dough for the next pandemic.

I assume you’re not on social security and they have your direct deposit info. I’m hearing that us old codgers will have to wait awhile even though they direct deposit our SS checks.

I do receive SS; directly deposited.

stickguy

The turbo itself should not matter. It is just part of the overall design. Some are good, some have flaws. Heck, BMW has had fatal design flaws in some of their engines.

And modern turbos are designed in from the beginning. Not like the old days where they just slapped one on later! They are cooled, electronically controlled, all that good stuff. Still, can argue that less complicated is better, but that goes for fancy VVT systems, direct injection, etc. not just turbos.

jipster

benjaminh said:

@jipster : Here's a possible 2.0 option that's at the Wyler Honda dealer in Ohio, but potentially if you could make a deal they might drive it down for you. I actually think the Accord looks good in red, and the light leather interior looks nice. This EXL 2.0 has the 10-speed transmission and the R-type 2.0 turbo with paddle shifters. EXL also gives you the uplevel stereo, build-in garage door opener, memory seat, Michelin tires, and auto dimming rear view mirror. For a few thousand more dollars it does change a standard sedan into something more special in terms of performance and luxury. But sticking to a budget is sometimes also a good idea!

https://jeffwylercolerainhonda.net/new/Honda/2020-Honda-Accord-b94bb4b50a0e0adf1ea85

Looks nice. I do like that red. Think I'll check out the 2.0 at Wyler on Dixie Hwy.

The sales manager at Honda World just sent me OTD numbers on the silver EX I test drove and an LX.

EX....$27,815
LX....$25,024

I assumed he'd offer a breakdown.

jipster

nyccarguy said:

@jipster

Do you have the RODO leasing APP for your phone? There is a 2020 Accord EXL 2.0 (Lunar Silver Metallic/Black) with an MSRP of $33,650. Leasing for 36 months/12K per year for $349 per month with $349 Due At Signing. It includes $5,911 in discounts & rebates ($4,411 discount, $500 Rebate, $1000 loyalty).

No I don't have that app but something to keep in mind. I do like the silver with black interior.

jipster

graphicguy said:

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : I don't know if it's worth it, but for just $900 more you can get a brand new Accord EX with the light interior....

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/new-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-Accord-EX-1HGCV1F46LA040940

And as you know there are two Honda dealers in town. When we got our Honda CR-V a couple of years ago Jeff Wyler Honda seemed to take personal delight in beating the deal offered by Honda World. We got the car from Wyler. You might consider calling them up and seeing if they can give you a better price on an Accord EX....

https://jeffwylerhondaautomall.com/

PS And I hesitate to say this, but did you listen to the stereo in the Accord EX? It's probably good enough for your needs. But if you're someone who likes a really good stereo in your car the Accord EX isn't your best choice. The Accord EXL has a significantly better stereo.

PPS Also hesitate to mention this, but have you considered the Accord Hybrid (c. 45 mpg) or the Accord 2.0 with the 10-speed (0-60 in c. 5.8, compared to c. 7.2 with the 1.5CVT). Probably neither of those are what you are wanting, but just in case....

0.9% interest on New 2019 specific model Accords? Interesting. May check out Jeff Wyler, though cousin had a horrible buying experience with them.

For reasons we can only guess, Wyler seems to have gone through a period where they were only hiring "green peas" who had no car selling experience. As such, they seemed to have more sales people who weren't very knowledgable, nor very acute when dealing with the customer who has bought and sold a lot of cars.

So, they were sales people that were mostly working from their sales training "script" all the time.

Having dealt with them on the Kia, and at the Honda Colerain Ave store in Cincinnati relatively recently, they seem to be hiring better quality people into their sales staff.

That said, I do like the Performance Group for Honda purchases (Performance Honda in Fairfield, OH). No games....pretty straight forward.

G.G,.looked at your guys Acura TLX inventory. Didn't have anything with the tech package and that tan leather interior I liked..Had one in black leather I didn't care for, from what I could tell.

All of the salesman I've encountered have been greenpeas. The guy at Honda World yesterday kept wanting to show me certified or used Accords I had no interest in. Another I thought mute, as he said almost nothing.. Poor guy. Probably has lost his job by now. My Acura sales lady has about 6 years of experience, but not exactly a smooth talker..To their credit, none high pressure...or even moderate.Some couldn't care less. But these are different times.

nyccarguy

jipster said:

nyccarguy said:

@jipster

Do you have the RODO leasing APP for your phone? There is a 2020 Accord EXL 2.0 (Lunar Silver Metallic/Black) with an MSRP of $33,650. Leasing for 36 months/12K per year for $349 per month with $349 Due At Signing. It includes $5,911 in discounts & rebates ($4,411 discount, $500 Rebate, $1000 loyalty).

No I don't have that app but something to keep in mind. I do like the silver with black interior.

Even if you just use it as a negotiating tactic.