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imidazol97

tjc78 said:

I have to look and see if mine is a direct or belt drive. Good luck with your new one

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I'd try looking up parts on repairclinic.com using your model number. Then look up "belt."

I tried with the one I'm buying, but it's not listed. I guess it's a new model. I'll have to trust the salesman, which is why I asked him for his knowledge and help. The 3 ladies at Menards blew me off--was it discrimination because I was male? Silver haired? I saw manager in the aisle and I was tempted to say something to him. But I thought best not to comment while I was still hyper about the treatment.

imidazol97

@abacomike
If it's too hot there remember what it was like up north. This morning we had 40 something degrees and 25 mph winds. It felt like winter time. We've have 60s and 70s part of the time. But that cold front with the tornadoes really cooled us down the for next few days.

It felt like a November day when a snow was coming.

jipster

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

sda

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

I have a lifetime powertrain warranty on the Accord. Basically states follow recommended service requirements but it doesn’t mention tire rotation, which I have record of anyway. The warranty does give some piece of mind, though I haven’t had to use it. In reality it may not be worth the paper it’s printed on, who knows.

roadburner

I look at paying $22,000 for a new Accord in another way- there are more than a few used cars that I would MUCH rather own for $22 large.

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

@abacomike
If it's too hot there remember what it was like up north. This morning we had 40 something degrees and 25 mph winds. It felt like winter time. We've have 60s and 70s part of the time. But that cold front with the tornadoes really cooled us down the for next few days.

It felt like a November day when a snow was coming.

Hit 93 today with high humidity. Supposed to be in the upper 80's to lower 90's the rest of this week. Murder out there.

stickguy

if the lifetime warranty is "free" then no big deal. I just would not pay for it. miss one service on the list and it is voided. Plus you have to do everything at the dealer too most likely. Tires, brakes, etc.

fintail

I almost somewhat like the current Accord, there's something about its stance and profile that almost seems to have channeled an old Citroen. I might change out the wheels though, modern Honda wheel design rubs me the wrong way.

imidazol97

What wheels would you like to see on your Honda?

28firefighter

roadburner said:

I look at paying $22,000 for a new Accord in another way- there are more than a few used cars that I would MUCH rather own for $22 large.

The new accord (at least in the 2.0T engine) is actually pretty fun to toss around. But generally speaking I agree.

Michaell

Mother Nature decided to suspend spring here in Colorado. Been snowing on and off the past two days, and this morning Denver had a low of 15° – a record for the date.

roadburner

28firefighter said:

roadburner said:

I look at paying $22,000 for a new Accord in another way- there are more than a few used cars that I would MUCH rather own for $22 large.

The new accord (at least in the 2.0T engine) is actually pretty fun to toss around. But generally speaking I agree.

A 2.0 Sport is fun; but a 1.5 CVT? I’ll just cut to the chase and jump off a very tall building.

stickguy

hit 70 here today, but heavy rains and winds. not a good trade off.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

You should have held out for $12,752.

yeh, the great negotiator lost out!

You know what, I just did a quick calculation. I can barely see that $1 when I amatorize it per day for a single year. If I try to do it per hour or for more years, my calculator starts smoking.

jmonroe

If you are ever destitute, and down to your last $1, you will be sorry

driver100

jipster said:
Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships?

I would probably ignore that warranty. I think it is basically a scam....you will probably pay a lot more for all the service work you don't really need, than you will collecting on a drive chain repair. I don't like warranties where you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to qualify. What if in year 6 you are one week late coming in for an oil change....sounds like they could void the whole thing.
I would buy the car because I like the car, if the warranty is reasonable I would try to fulfill the terms......those warranties are like buying extra insurance when you buy something at Best Buy.......the chances of collecting are almost zero.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

You should have held out for $12,752.

yeh, the great negotiator lost out!

You know what, I just did a quick calculation. I can barely see that $1 when I amatorize it per day for a single year. If I try to do it per hour or for more years, my calculator starts smoking.

jmonroe

If you are ever destitute, and down to your last $1, you will be sorry

Unlikely but I am sorry for almost ruining a nice calculator.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Define lifetime, also check your state laws regarding warranties.

jipster

Wss

snakeweasel said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Define lifetime, also check your state laws regarding warranties.

"Unlimited time and unlimited miles"

In looking specifically at Honda World's "Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" , I see the only requirement is to follow manufacturers recommended maintenance schedule, which seems reasonable. Don't think Honda World "requires" tire rotations...as some other dealerships might. When we bought my wifes Hyundai Veracruz in 2012, from Oxmoor Hyundai, it came with a 200,000 miles powertrain warranty. But, the list of requirements was ridiculous. i.e Oil changes every 3,000 miles, trans flush every 30k, tire rotations, fuel induction services, wiper blades. All maintenance done had to be signed off by the service advisor and given a stamp of completion. Too many hoops to jump thru, as driver had mentioned.

Knock on wood, the Veracruz has 158,000 miles and powertrain has been fine.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Depends on the integrity of the dealer/manufacturer. Ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up and they stiffed him. Personally, I don’t trust them.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Depends on the integrity of the dealer/manufacturer. Ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up and they stiffed him. Personally, I don’t trust them.

Forgot to add, that lifetime warranty comes with a $100 deductible with any repair. I believe most are like this now.

Unrelated... seems I've seen a lot of all black, or all dark grey interiors, on cars I've looked at. Don't care for it, though can't say it would be a deal breaker. Also never cared that much for white cars, until lately. I do like that 2020 Honda Accord EX, driver posted I believe, with the black and cream colored interior.

Also, a turn dial or push button gear selector???? I'm seeing this on a lot of cars now as well. Can't say I like this much.(But looks good in the TLX )The Ford Fusion I tested had a turn dial, couldn't tell if I was in reverse or drive with the sun glare on it.

benjaminh

jipster said:

....Forgot to add, that lifetime warranty comes with a $100 deductible with any repair. I believe most are like this now.

Unrelated... seems I've seen a lot of all black, or all dark grey interiors, on cars I've looked at. Don't care for it, though can't say it would be a deal breaker. Also never cared that much for white cars, until lately....

jipster: You may recall that Honda World used to be Swope Honda, and was owned by a local family. It became Honda World when it was bought iirc about five years ago by an investment group from Saudi Arabia, or someplace like that. In any case, I've been going there since 2002 when I got my first Accord, and the waiting room for their service area has almost always been crowded—at least until this crisis his. The last time I went with my wife's CR-V, just a week or so before stay at home, it was a lot less busy. Anyway, I always bring a book or a tablet, but I don't esp. enjoy that waiting room. The waiting room in the Acura dealer is about 1/10th the size and is about twice as pleasant imho. Oxmoor Acura has deluxe complimentary coffee and tea, and nice snacks. And it's just quieter. Oxmoor Acura is still owned by local business-guy Neil Huffman.

Given that you keep your cars a long time that lifetime warranty might be a small plus factor. But Honda makes good engines and transmissions, and with meticulous maintenance almost all of them are going to last at least c. 15 years and 200,000 miles anyway. Failure, if any, is most likely to take place after that, and at that point it might be a challenge to track down this third party company and try to make them pay up. They were already offering that warranty when I got my Acura, and for me it just wasn't a factor.

I prefer light interiors for my cars, but when I got my TLX Tech model they only had one, and it was with the ebony leather. The good part about that is that it doesn't show anything. I clean my seats once in a while anyway, but a light interior can show almost every speck.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Depends on the integrity of the dealer/manufacturer. Ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up and they stiffed him. Personally, I don’t trust them.

Or you can ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up at just over 99k miles and got a replacement engine no questions asked and whose other Hyundai developed a cracked exhaust manifold at 135k miles that Hyundai fixed no questions asked.

Overall I am very happy with Hyundai's warranty service

snakeweasel

jipster said:

Wss

snakeweasel said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Define lifetime, also check your state laws regarding warranties.

"Unlimited time and unlimited miles"

In looking specifically at Honda World's "Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" , I see the only requirement is to follow manufacturers recommended maintenance schedule, which seems reasonable. Don't think Honda World "requires" tire rotations...as some other dealerships might. When we bought my wifes Hyundai Veracruz in 2012, from Oxmoor Hyundai, it came with a 200,000 miles powertrain warranty. But, the list of requirements was ridiculous. i.e Oil changes every 3,000 miles, trans flush every 30k, tire rotations, fuel induction services, wiper blades. All maintenance done had to be signed off by the service advisor and given a stamp of completion. Too many hoops to jump thru, as driver had mentioned.

Knock on wood, the Veracruz has 158,000 miles and powertrain has been fine.

Unlimited miles maybe unlimited time maybe not. Most states have adopted the U.C.C. when it comes to this. The dirty little secret about warranties is that the U.C.C. puts a statute of limitations of 4 years on warranty claims. The courts have declared that unless the warranty specicically guarantees future performance (and few, if any do) the clock starts ticking on the statute of limitations at the date of purchase. So almost any warranty is unenforceable after 4 years.

stickguy

Trust me. When you have tan lab hair on you all the time, the black interior shows everything too!

Jip, you might get use out of the warranty. Following Honda schedule is easy. Just wait for the Maintenance minder to light up, then do what it calls for which usually isn’t much. They know that not many people keep their car long enough for it to kick in, and if they do, won’t have continued to follow the schedule.

I drove a rental with the dial. That I hated and always had to look at. The RDX has the push button design. Now that I have some time in it, gotten used to it but still not as nice as a normal gear selector. A gimmick but not that big of a deal once it becomes familiar.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Depends on the integrity of the dealer/manufacturer. Ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up and they stiffed him. Personally, I don’t trust them.

Yeh, who was that guy...I seem to recall that incident

driver100

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Depends on the integrity of the dealer/manufacturer. Ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up and they stiffed him. Personally, I don’t trust them.

Or you can ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up at just over 99k miles and got a replacement engine no questions asked and whose other Hyundai developed a cracked exhaust manifold at 135k miles that Hyundai fixed no questions asked.

Overall I am very happy with Hyundai's warranty service

It probably went at 99k just before the 100k drivetrain warranty expired.
Those exhaust manifolds tended to crack, so those cars were recalled and fixed.
Nothing special, just taking care of business.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Depends on the integrity of the dealer/manufacturer. Ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up and they stiffed him. Personally, I don’t trust them.

Or you can ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up at just over 99k miles and got a replacement engine no questions asked and whose other Hyundai developed a cracked exhaust manifold at 135k miles that Hyundai fixed no questions asked.

Overall I am very happy with Hyundai's warranty service

It probably went at 99k just before the 100k drivetrain warranty expired.
Those exhaust manifolds tended to crack, so those cars were recalled and fixed.
Nothing special, just taking care of business.

Yes but it counters the "I don't trust them" argument.

bwia

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

I could save the courts time and money....I have watched so many Hot Benches I can tell who is guilty as soon as I look at them

Same with Judge Judy. Not hard to tell she's got her mind made up from paper work or from what the producers have told her to say about each case and defendant vs plaintiff. I'd hope I'd receive a fairer hearing were I in court than I see on the JJ show.

The Hot 'Bench brand of JJ empire is predictable as to what each of the 3 judges will argue in the private consulation.

I don't think the judges know ahead of time...it would take the spontaneity out of the show. I like they way they can ask the questions that get to the truth....ask enough good questions and something won't add up. I like Judge Demango and her New York accent...she'll ask and say anything....and knows how to get to the truth.

By the time they go to the back room you know the verdict, I like to hear the thinking process though. Funny when they disagree though.....that means in a real court it may depend on what judge you get.

Just like my cousin @jmonroe, I don't watch judge shows. Are you saying that there are judge shows that have multiple judges and it's something like majority rule? If so these judge shows are more of a circus than I thought. As for real court rooms, of course it depends on which judge you get and defence and prosecuting attorneys base their case strategy on this. I hope this isn't a revelation for you.

jmonroe

My traffic lawyer in the most recent case sucessfully pre-emptorily challenged and removed the first assigned judge, so they could negotiate with someone more reasonable.

Even I haven't had the guts to do this defending myself, though the self-help books show you how. There is not a reliable "yelp" style review process on traffic court judges. I wouldn't know if I was getting rid of bad for baddest.

Caught in Providence? For a fair hearing, nothing beats a compassionate traffic judge and an accommodating prosecutor in Providence. Here is a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlZATzTgl6o

driver100

That extended warranty is like a trick way of getting you to pay for an extended warranty....change transmission fluid at 30k miles! Clever of the car companies, instead of going to a separate warranty company they make out on it. Odds are you will pay more for all that service than what it would cost to pay for a warranty or to have the car fixed.

This is what it covers; DETAILS OF COVERAGE
The components covered will be the exact same as the Factory “Powertrain” Warranty and including: Engine: Cylinder block and head and all internal parts, intake manifold, timing gears and gaskets, timing chain/belt and cover, flywheel, valve covers, oil pan, oil pump, engine mounts, turbocharger housing and all internal parts, supercharger housing and all internal parts, engine control computer, water pump, fuel pump, seals and gaskets. Transmission & Transaxle: Case and all internal parts, torque converter, clutch cover, transmission mounts, transfer case and all internal parts, engine control computer, sales and gaskets, Front Wheel Drive System: Final drive housing and all internal parts, axle shafts, drive shaft, constant velocity joints, front hub and bearings, seals and gaskets. Rear Wheel Drive System: Axle housing & all internal parts, propeller shaft, u-joints, axle shaft, drive shaft, bearings, supports, seals and gaskets.

They say lifetime is for as long as you own the car. Not transferable. Do they fix it if some of these parts wear out due to normal wear....or only if they break earlier than expected?
I think they have it figured out so that you can't buy the car, and then drive it forever without paying extra for maintenance, or selling the car before they replace everything.

HONDA LIFETIME WARRANTY
People like warranties, and they are extra profit for "the business" usually.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Have to catch up on today 's posts, but what do you guys think of these "Limited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty" offered thru dealerships? Honda World here in Louisville offers this. You have to follow their recommended service schedule, which according to another dealership (see below), includes tires rotations. Seems like it would be more trouble, and $, than its worth.

MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS – In order to keep your Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty valid, you must follow the maintenance procedures listed below.

You are responsible for making sure the oil warning light gauge and the temperature warning light gauge are functioning before driving the vehicle.
Your vehicle must receive all scheduled maintenance as recommended by both time and mileage, in accordance with your Purchase and Sales Contract, including, but not limited to, oil and filer changes and tire rotations.
You must keep copies of all repair orders. Copies must indicate; customer name, repair order number, repair order date, Vehicle Identification Number, a description of your vehicle, repair order mileage, and a complete description of services performed.
We may require you to furnish us with proof that the specified services have been performed. Failure to show proof that all scheduled maintenance and repairs have been performed may void coverage under this Lifetime Limited Powertrain Warranty.

Depends on the integrity of the dealer/manufacturer. Ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up and they stiffed him. Personally, I don’t trust them.

Or you can ask the poster whose Hyundai blew up at just over 99k miles and got a replacement engine no questions asked and whose other Hyundai developed a cracked exhaust manifold at 135k miles that Hyundai fixed no questions asked.

Overall I am very happy with Hyundai's warranty service

It probably went at 99k just before the 100k drivetrain warranty expired.
Those exhaust manifolds tended to crack, so those cars were recalled and fixed.
Nothing special, just taking care of business.

Yes but it counters the "I don't trust them" argument.

Minimally........I mean, they honored the warranty and they did the recall....really bad if they didn't.

stickguy

Normal wear would be covered. None of that stuff is considered consumable (like tires or brake pads). As long as you just have to follow manufacturer schedule, very little maintenance. Oil and filters every 7-10k when car asks for it, maybe trans fluid at 60k, plugs at 105k, etc. oh and brake fluid every 3 years. Basically stuff you should do anyway, at minimum, if not more often for some things.

ab348

benjaminh said:

I prefer light interiors for my cars, but when I got my TLX Tech model they only had one, and it was with the ebony leather. The good part about that is that it doesn't show anything. I clean my seats once in a while anyway, but a light interior can show almost every speck.

I think you have that backwards. Black interiors show every speck of dust, pet hair, lint, whatever. Those things are largely invisible with a lighter interior. Black interiors do hide stains and smudges better, but those are far less frequent in my experience. Every car I have ever had with a black interior always looks somewhat dirty because of the dust/lint/hair factor.

I despise black interiors but they are a scourge in new cars these days, especially here in Canada where the Canadian branches of foreign makes often do not even offer another choice, even if one is available in the US. Kia, for example, used to offer either an ivory or saddle choice depending on model, but a couple of years ago those went away up here and now you can get any color interior as long as it is black. I believe VW has done something similar on certain models. And regardless of brand, most local dealers only order cars with black interiors for stock, which means if you do want one that offers some other choice you are usually looking at a special order.

ab348

driver100 said:

Do they fix it if some of these parts wear out due to normal wear....or only if they break earlier than expected?

The acid test would be if/how they cover clutch replacement on a manual transmission car.

graphicguy

stickguy said:

if the lifetime warranty is "free" then no big deal. I just would not pay for it. miss one service on the list and it is voided. Plus you have to do everything at the dealer too most likely. Tires, brakes, etc.

Agreed. Especially on a Honda product. If free? Take it. If not, don’t even bother.

ab348

jipster said:

Also, a turn dial or push button gear selector???? I'm seeing this on a lot of cars now as well. Can't say I like this much.(But looks good in the TLX )The Ford Fusion I tested had a turn dial, couldn't tell if I was in reverse or drive with the sun glare on it.

I don't know which of those I would prefer, but I know I would take either in place of the BMW-style electronic beer tap shifter that Cadillac now has adopted and may be making its way into other GM models. It is completely non-intuitive to me and I hate it every time I have to use one.

imidazol97

At Walmart this morning; the toilet paper metal racks were 85% full along the 40 feet of aisle. There were two areas of gaping empty area, which I assume was a particular brand or type or size package of a brand.

I guess there's a good side to this panic: I got to try out different brands of TP. Normally I had stuck with Cottonnell.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

jipster said:

Also, a turn dial or push button gear selector???? I'm seeing this on a lot of cars now as well. Can't say I like this much.(But looks good in the TLX )The Ford Fusion I tested had a turn dial, couldn't tell if I was in reverse or drive with the sun glare on it.

I don't know which of those I would prefer, but I know I would take either in place of the BMW-style electronic beer tap shifter that Cadillac now has adopted and may be making its way into other GM models. It is completely non-intuitive to me and I hate it every time I have to use one.

I really don't mind the BMW shifter, sure it's a bit different but I find I can use it by touch and it took practically no time to get used to it.

graphicguy

I know when I bought my TLX, the dealer only had one red interior (mine) and the rest were black. I even talked to the GM about it regarding why. He said that’s what sells the easiest. And, it was a fluke that mine got through their ordering process with red interior.

Personally, I find it hard to believe people overwhelmingly want black interiors. I think if dealerships ordered different interior colors, they’d be surprised how popular they’d become.

I avoid black interiors if I can. They are the least favorite color of any interior given a choice.

ab348

Well, when it takes 6 pages of the owners manual to explain how to use the shift lever as it does in Cadillac's case, including a full page just to describe how to put it into neutral to go thru a car wash, I think you might have made it a bit too complicated.

pensfan83

graphicguy said:

I know when I bought my TLX, the dealer only had one red interior (mine) and the rest were black. I even talked to the GM about it regarding why. He said that’s what sells the easiest. And, it was a fluke that mine got through their ordering process with red interior.

Personally, I find it hard to believe people overwhelmingly want black interiors. I think if dealerships ordered different interior colors, they’d be surprised how popular they’d become.

I avoid black interiors if I can. They are the least favorite color of any interior given a choice.

I wish Acura offered the espresso interior on the A-Spec models, I'd take one in a heartbeat in either white or red.

ab348

graphicguy said:

I know when I bought my TLX, the dealer only had one red interior (mine) and the rest were black. I even talked to the GM about it regarding why. He said that’s what sells the easiest. And, it was a fluke that mine got through their ordering process with red interior.

I asked the exact same thing to my dealer and got the same exact answer. Of course when all you have in inventory are cars with black interiors, of course that is what is going to sell the easiest.

Personally, I find it hard to believe people overwhelmingly want black interiors. I think if dealerships ordered different interior colors, they’d be surprised how popular they’d become.

I avoid black interiors if I can. They are the least favorite color of any interior given a choice.

I find it somewhat hard to believe too, but then again people seem to like gray, silver or black paint on their vehicles, so who knows.

28firefighter

I went above and beyond on the last round of car shopping to ensure that none of our cars had a black interior. I don't hate it, but it is definitely my last choice.

Outback is tan, i3 has a Mocha color interior (I think they call it dark truffle), and the ZHP is natural brown. The natural brown in the ZHP is more of a saddle color and is my favorite of any I've had except the plaid cloth in the GTI.

tjc78

I really dislike black interior. So much so I passed on a screaming deal on an S60 loaner when I was shopping.

stickguy

Espresso is really nice looking interior.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

Well, when it takes 6 pages of the owners manual to explain how to use the shift lever as it does in Cadillac's case, including a full page just to describe how to put it into neutral to go thru a car wash, I think you might have made it a bit too complicated.

My BMW manual has about 2.5 pages, a half page of what each position (D, N, R) does, a half page or so of how to use it normally, a little more than a page of how to use it manually including paddle shifters.

driver100

You own a BMW and you need half a page to explain D. N, R!
Hopefully anyone with a drivers license knows what they mean

Black would be my last choice and only if that is all that was available. For example on a great deal on a used car where choice is limited.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

You own a BMW and you need half a page to explain D. N, R!
Hopefully anyone with a drivers license knows what they mean

Black would be my last choice and only if that is all that was available. For example on a great deal on a used car where choice is limited.

Well it's better than Cadillac owners who need a full page to explain how to put the car into neutral for an automatic car wash.

ab348

Imagine if Jerry had given Morty Seinfeld a current-day Cadillac as a present! Comedy gold.

fintail

I'd find a nice aftermarket set not going for the "directional" design Honda seems to have jumped on for many passenger cars and CUVs. More of the current stylist/designer trend to desperately seek "character" or "excitement" when everything has been done already.

Regarding the shifter discussion, I still like the current MB column shift - gets it out of the way, and quickly becomes muscle memory.

imidazol97 said:

What wheels would you like to see on your Honda?

driver100

Now we are just getting silly;


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