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fintail

I just walked to my local Office Depot to mail a package (handy, they do Fedex and USPS). Most employees had mask, store was almost empty - but that's normal.

They had TP (the office type stuff in huge individually wrapped packs) AND sanitizing wipes. No hand sanitizer though.

Sandman6472 said:

Publix was about out of tp yesterday, maybe 4 packs of Charmin left, that's it! This is crazy really, absolutely crazy! Why would folks hoard tp in the first place? So far, we're fine here as I've always kept an adequate supply in the house. Kids are all fine with it to it seems.

jipster

Wrong. Big Boss Man says $31,000 otd.

jipster

My price is certainly low ball. But I've told salesman that's what I can do today

jipster

This surgical mask they gave me is horrible. Can't see from glasses fogged up.

carnaught

@jipster, I assume you are talking about the Accord Hybrid. If so, Mrs. Carnaught had one and loved it - it was bullet proof and delivered about 43 mpg. I believe it is slightly better now.

Is your price, OTD? Remember to tell them (if you are using the OTD offer), that add-on’s or any tacked-on fees will kill closing the deal. When in the finance office tell them you want to see the final figures before proceeding so you don’t waste either one’s time.

Good luck - we are rooting for you!

andres3

Traffic collisions and injury/fatal crashes down 50%!

Traffic volume down 30 to 50%!

Speeds are up up UP!

Oh no! Oh dear!

https://landline.media/california-stay-at-home-order-results-in-significant-traffic-crash-reduction/

I've seen articles from the "speed kills" crowd arguing lower fatalities per mile driven is a BAD THING! GET RID OF CARS already, why don't you!

jipster

Not gonna happen....the ole Jipster has struck out.

imidazol97

Just have your checkbook sticking out of your shirt pocket so they can see you're ready.

If they reject it, don't make a counter offer that's higher. Just start thanking them
and telling how nice it's been to know them.
It really hurts them when you say to call you if they decide they can accept that offer later
as you walk toward the door--and don't look back like you're hoping they're following you.

driver100

jipster said:

Quick....somebody talk me out of this!

Go for it!

andres3

Evidence that some Cities deliberate want to increase congestion, pollution/emissions, and fuel usage via questionable and dubious "engineering" methods.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/los-angeles-traffic-lights-adjusted-to-prevent-unsafe-speeds-during-pandemic/2346997/

I can imagine at least one extra additional death being caused by someone fed up with all the red lights, and running one, whereas this policy is unlikely to save any lives.

jipster

$2,352 apart.
They're at $29,852 otd
I'm at $27,500 otd

Talked to sales manager. Don't think they'll go lower.

andres3

jipster said:

$2,352 apart.
They're at $29,852 otd
I'm at $27,500 otd

Talked to sales manager. Don't think they'll go lower.

I say by Sunday they'll agree to meet you halfway.

ab348

I guess having to wear a surgical mask rules out the old tactic of bringing in a large sub sandwich and sitting down to eat it slowly in the showroom while they stew over your offer. :laughing:

driver100

Good luck....you got stronger nerves than me.........

stickguy

This a hybrid EXL? If so sounds like they are already at a strong price. That’s my favorite model too.

Try the old split the difference and I will take it now move. Might work here.

28firefighter

The Hybrids up here sell at or close to MSRP plus TTL. On top of that, the margins are slim and they aren't moving volume. Sounds like they're giving you a strong discount on it already.

28firefighter

Is this a 2019 or 2020?

driver100

stickguy said:

This a hybrid EXL? If so sounds like they are already at a strong price. That’s my favorite model too.

Try the old split the difference and I will take it now move. Might work here.

Agree, especially if this is OTD.

jipster

ab348 said:

I guess having to wear a surgical mask rules out the old tactic of bringing in a large sub sandwich and sitting down to eat it slowly in the showroom while they stew over your offer. :laughing:

Yes, times being what they are, I had to abandon my tried and true....The Jipst Method of New Car Buying! You get 1 "like" for remembering.

jipster

stickguy said:

This a hybrid EXL? If so sounds like they are already at a strong price. That’s my favorite model too.

Try the old split the difference and I will take it now move. Might work here.

The car was the Accord EX hybrid. No L. But i eould split the difference. Maybe

qbrozen

hmmmm... am I missing something? The 2020 Accord Hybrid, according to the Honda website, has no trim levels. $25.6k MSRP and very little in the way of add-ons.

28firefighter

You have to select the trim level and then select the engine. Accord EX Hybrid is about $30-30,500 before dealer add-ons. The way you did it gives you a basically LX Hybrid type of trim.

qbrozen

ah. Idiocy at its finest. Select Hybrid to get the LX hybrid, but select EX and change the engine to get the EX hybrid. Wow.

explorerx4

Honda hybrids don't have the same reputation as Toyota.
Maybe he should look at a Camry hybrid.

qbrozen

So no incentives, right? Per Edmunds, invoice is $27,818, and Honda holdback is 2% base MSRP, which means roughly $600. $27.2k is their cost, it would seem. Which means $27.5k OTD is unrealistic. What do your taxes and DMV fees amount to? You'd have to add that to $27.2k to even start discussions, I think. Losing money is not likely to make sense to them right now since it isn't costing them money to keep the cars on the lot like it usually does. At least, that's what I've read. $29.5k OTD would likely be the bare minimum here in NJ, and that leaves $0 profit after paying the salesman his/her mini.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

venture said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

I tried checking on my check from IRS now that the app is operating... it didn't know who I was. Bad sign?

I got the same thing. Said they couldn’t tell from the available information.

Just for the record - I checked early this morning and it said mine was deposited on 4/15/20 so it does work.

Still nothing for me. This is making me rethink my decision to be an off the grid hermit.

I don't know if it's true or not but I heard that people with the highest AGI will be getting their deposits after the poorer folks get there's. So, you must have been holding out on us as to your real wealth. For me it means I ain't cheatin enough. :@

jmonroe

Ha ha, if I made enough to have tax cheating be worth while, I wouldn’t care about any stinking checks.

dino001

explorerx4 said:

Honda hybrids don't have the same reputation as Toyota.
Maybe he should look at a Camry hybrid.

I don't think it's the reputation. It's more like different design objectives. Toyotas are build mostly for maximizing gas mileage, but the cars themselves are real dogs when it comes to performance. I remember driving Lexus CT200 and it was so underwhelming vs. their marketing message suggesting "fun to drive" factor that I'm not surprised the model was finally nixed. I think Hondas are built to maintain the balance of low fuel consumption without as much sacrifice of the performance.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Re Costco....they state it clearly, if at anytime you are dissatisfied with the products they sell or their customer service, they will gladly refund your membership fee and cancel your membership. The lady with the kids was out of bounds. The sign outside the store was large, clear and quite legible limiting entrance to members to two per membership. Regardless of the reason, the lady was upset because they didn’t make an exception for her (or anyone else for that matter), her membership would be cancelled and refunded if she chose. Instead, even though they offered her a resolution, she chose to [non-permissible content removed] about it instead. Onus is on her.

From the “kinda made me feel good dept”.....when I go to Costco, I usually am there solo. I don’t go in there every day, but probably 2-3 times a month, mainly for paper goods and the afore mentioned Kirkland Vitamin Water. I always stop by the electronics dept to see if they have anything new and different I might be interested in.

There’s a lady working that dept most times and since we see each other we exchange small talk. Last time I was in, she teased me about the very “unflattering” mask I was wearing. I returned the favor. She’s worked there for a while, and I’ve been a member since that particular store opened (maybe late 90s, early 00s). Anyway, asking her if there had been any furloughs, she said a few. But, given her tenure, she gets to pretty much pick and choose her hours, although now, they’re limited to 10-6:30 most days, now.

She was happy for more normal retails hours, and that given her tenure, they hadn’t reassigned her to getting carts, cleaning trash baskets, or working in the food depts.

Out of the blue, she mentioned...”you’re here alone all the time, I assume your wife lets you do all the shopping?” I replied the wife thing had sailed a long time ago. She then mentioned that after this whole virus thing is over, we should grab a cup of coffee or perhaps a beer. I told her I’d take her up on her offer.

Made me feel like I had a little more worth and put a smile on my face.

You must have some real animal magnetism to generate such strong responses in women. They’re either cursing you out or asking you out.

Either is better than being ignored.

explorerx4

@dino001,
I disagree. Honda produces hybrids intermittently.
Toyota has been continuously producing them for 20 years.

driver100

In my limited experience I find Hondas to be more of a drivers car, Toyota more of a way to get from A to B.
I don't think the hybrid part changes that.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

houdini1 said:

jipster said:

Michael, yes, out the door, for some strange reason, can mean many things to many people.

@graphicguy ...I've seen a lot of these certified one.owner cars with a couple thousand milss. When I look.at the Carfax,.it's stayed with the dealership. So not sure what's going on, other than the dealership makes more money on a certified car so they're wanting to crank them out.

@dino001 - I've read what was on their web site about fine print on warranty. But funny you should mention the fine print. I read that to maintain the lifetime powertrain warranty, you have to bring in your vehicle after 7 years...for a free inspection. You have a 2 month grace.period. After that you get to pound sand.
Looks like Honda Universe a bit slippery too.

@houdini - thanks. If I'm in the neighborhood Ill check out that Civic for you. It honestly surprised me at how much it has grown since 2012. If it has a nice comfy ride...who knows. But its gonna cost you guys at least another week of reading my posts. ;-)

Houdini - on my need for speed....oh, it's there. But, it's buried a bit under my paranoia of not causing any damage to the car. So, generally I'm a somewhat.conservative driver....but there are times I like to put the hammer down.LOL

If I recall, Honda caught a lot of flack for that 2012 Civic. It was an outlier in that Honda must have experimented with de-contenting the Civic that year but not reducing the price. Reviewers panned it so much that Honda had to do a mid year full refresh.

You do recall correctly. Dealerships around here were overstocked with Civics. It was a nice little car, great mpg...but everything else about it was blahhh.... along the lines of an early generation Yugo.

@stickguy - yeah, Mazda 6 Touring isn't that much more than the base car. The jipster in me keeps wanting to pull me down into those base level cars. I must resist!

In looking at the very bottom page of fine print, on that quote from Wyler Honda in Florence, it states that dealer add ons would be extra....to their OTD price.

For most of my car purchases I’ve gone for base level. Usually because of cost concerns. Usually the higher trims give you leather and an upgraded stereo. If those things are worth the premium then go for it if you can afford it.

For the Mustang the premium was $4k which I couldn’t afford. I would have liked the leather though.

On the Kia I did opt for the mid level trim because I wanted the 2.0L over the wimpy 1.6L. Cost $2k more and gave you fog lights. If there was anything extra in the higher trim I didn’t notice it.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

Benjamin posted.some on the Accord Hybrid, but I came across a Honda Accord Hybrid yesterday when checking dealership stock. I had pretty much discounted it before, have to say I'm a bit intrigued. In looking at some video reviews there seems to be a noticeable jump in power when going from the hybrid 2.0 engine and twin batteries over the 1.5 liter turbo. Confusing as technically there's no transmission? Great torque off the line.I would think with gas prices !ow, a better.deal may be had. About a grand more for the hybrid.

My main concern, on that hybrid, would be how long those batteries would last and how much $ to replace them. Honda warranties the batteries for 8 years, they're expected to last around 10 years. I've read anywhere from $2,,000 to $4,000 to replace them. About the cost of a new transmission.LOL,

I know the Ford Fusion hybrid has poorer resale than the other models. Might want to check on that if you ever plan on selling it.

explorerx4

@driver100,
Doesn't change the fact the Honda's hybrids have failed in the marketplace, time and time again.
CR-V has a good chance to be the first successful one.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

An Australian family accidentally ordered $3,264 worth of toilet paper when they bought 48 boxes instead of 48 rolls. She thought she was ordering one box of 48 rolls, but bought 48 cartons. There is a shortage so she was able to sell the extra cartons to friends and relatives.

She lucky, they don’t take kindly to horders in Australia.

https://youtu.be/cSLrbYsqZ4o

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

I swear, if my state mandates facial covering, I am wearing this (I know I posted it before):



Can't find a mask to save your life here, and the cloth napkin and rubber bands one I made myself is about as effective as covering my mouth with my hand.

houdini1 said:

It is a little disconcerting to see all these people on TV and on the street looking like Hannibal Lector !!

Wally World was mobbed today with masked people. Since the mandate doesn’t go into effect until 9:00 tonight I went au natural even though I had a mask in my pocket. The the only people without masks were old male geezers like me.

Funny, I wouldn’t have any masks but my son came home from the hospital in December with about a half dozen. He doesn’t remember how he got them.

suydam

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
Doesn't change the fact the Honda's hybrids have failed in the marketplace, time and time again.
CR-V has a good chance to be the first successful one.

Are they failing? I wasn’t aware of that.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christeague/2019/01/22/hondas-winning-in-the-hybrid-game-three-reasons-why/#2320f00a69f7

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

Not gonna happen....the ole Jipster has struck out.

Didn’t you used to bring a sandwich and make loud lip smacking noises to psych out the salesman? What happened?

On the Ford it took them 3 days to call back and accept my low ball.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

$2,352 apart.
They're at $29,852 otd
I'm at $27,500 otd

Talked to sales manager. Don't think they'll go lower.

I was $1600 apart and they caved.

explorerx4

#sutdam,
That article is almost 15 months old and is just a puff piece, just opinion.
No hard facts.
Do you get your financial information form Edmunds?

jipster

qbrozen said:

So no incentives, right? Per Edmunds, invoice is $27,818, and Honda holdback is 2% base MSRP, which means roughly $600. $27.2k is their cost, it would seem. Which means $27.5k OTD is unrealistic. What do your taxes and DMV fees amount to? You'd have to add that to $27.2k to even start discussions, I think. Losing money is not likely to make sense to them right now since it isn't costing them money to keep the cars on the lot like it usually does. At least, that's what I've read. $29.5k OTD would likely be the bare minimum here in NJ, and that leaves $0 profit after paying the salesman his/her mini.

carnaught said:

@jipster, I assume you are talking about the Accord Hybrid. If so, Mrs. Carnaught had one and loved it - it was bullet proof and delivered about 43 mpg. I believe it is slightly better now.

Is your price, OTD? Remember to tell them (if you are using the OTD offer), that add-on’s or any tacked-on fees will kill closing the deal. When in the finance office tell them you want to see the final figures before proceeding so you don’t waste either one’s time.

Good luck - we are rooting for you!

@carnaught Yes, the Accord Hybrid EX. And....I loved it too!!. When I zipped on the expressway, Jerry Reed 's, "East Bound and Down", song came on the radio. Got the blood going. As I put the hammer down, the hybrid responded quickly and firmly....and somewhat effortlessly passed the big truckers,
Coming from the cars I've driven in the past, this was a fun car to drive. Go fast....or go home.

@qbrozen You're really close with the numbers. As I explained to the salesman and salesmanager, I really haven't had the chance to research the numbers properly. I saw the Accord EX from Florence was offered to me for $24,500. I added $1,000 for the hybrid upgrade (it may be !more), $1,500 in taxex, and $500 in fees..$27,500 otd.

The sales manager showed me the paper where they paid $28,something. Said they put.on the add ons to make money as everyone wants invoice. Said cost them $400 for the add ons (which was around $2,000 on msrp....I believe) Said he would take the all weather floor mats and some other things off to save me some money, but I didn't want to do that. He seemed like a straignt shooter. Nice guy. So I said I 'd think about.it
6% sales tax..Dont know about dmv

jipster

imidazol97 said:

Just have your checkbook sticking out of your shirt pocket so they can see you're ready.

If they reject it, don't make a counter offer that's higher. Just start thanking them
and telling how nice it's been to know them.
It really hurts them when you say to call you if they decide they can accept that offer later
as you walk toward the door--and don't look back like you're hoping they're following you.

I told my sales dude, I was ready to buy today, if we could work out the numbers. He initially showed me the sales price number, while I was talking otd number. Some confusion there. I said I need to see your out the door number, a sales number doesn't tell me much. Got the sales manager involved.
I did dust off a copy of my old book, to offer as a bribe, but he just laughed. :-(

But no sub-sandwich and smacking lips to distract the sales people, oldfarmer. :-)

jipster

@qbrozen it has all the trim levels the non hybrid Accords have. The add-ons were dealer add ons.

jipster

@dino001 Yes , the Toyota Camry did everything well...nothing great. Comfortable. A bit detached from the road. Uninspiring..A bit bland interior styling. Exterior styling was good..A great car for those with those expectations.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

houdini1 said:

jipster said:

Michael, yes, out the door, for some strange reason, can mean many things to many people.

@graphicguy ...I've seen a lot of these certified one.owner cars with a couple thousand milss. When I look.at the Carfax,.it's stayed with the dealership. So not sure what's going on, other than the dealership makes more money on a certified car so they're wanting to crank them out.

@dino001 - I've read what was on their web site about fine print on warranty. But funny you should mention the fine print. I read that to maintain the lifetime powertrain warranty, you have to bring in your vehicle after 7 years...for a free inspection. You have a 2 month grace.period. After that you get to pound sand.
Looks like Honda Universe a bit slippery too.

@houdini - thanks. If I'm in the neighborhood Ill check out that Civic for you. It honestly surprised me at how much it has grown since 2012. If it has a nice comfy ride...who knows. But its gonna cost you guys at least another week of reading my posts. ;-)

Houdini - on my need for speed....oh, it's there. But, it's buried a bit under my paranoia of not causing any damage to the car. So, generally I'm a somewhat.conservative driver....but there are times I like to put the hammer down.LOL

If I recall, Honda caught a lot of flack for that 2012 Civic. It was an outlier in that Honda must have experimented with de-contenting the Civic that year but not reducing the price. Reviewers panned it so much that Honda had to do a mid year full refresh.

You do recall correctly. Dealerships around here were overstocked with Civics. It was a nice little car, great mpg...but everything else about it was blahhh.... along the lines of an early generation Yugo.

@stickguy - yeah, Mazda 6 Touring isn't that much more than the base car. The jipster in me keeps wanting to pull me down into those base level cars. I must resist!

In looking at the very bottom page of fine print, on that quote from Wyler Honda in Florence, it states that dealer add ons would be extra....to their OTD price.

For most of my car purchases I’ve gone for base level. Usually because of cost concerns. Usually the higher trims give you leather and an upgraded stereo. If those things are worth the premium then go for it if you can afford it.

For the Mustang the premium was $4k which I couldn’t afford. I would have liked the leather though.

On the Kia I did opt for the mid level trim because I wanted the 2.0L over the wimpy 1.6L. Cost $2k more and gave you fog lights. If there was anything extra in the higher trim I didn’t notice it.

I actually liked the cloth seats in the EX better than the leather in the EXL. Going base level will save me about 4 grand over the EX. I didnt care much for the Accord Sport, which is a step above the base LX and a step below the EX.
I don't really care for sunroofs, they're okay, but I'd prefer an Accord EX without the sunroof and keep the money.

driver100

suydam said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
Doesn't change the fact the Honda's hybrids have failed in the marketplace, time and time again.
CR-V has a good chance to be the first successful one.

Are they failing? I wasn’t aware of that.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christeague/2019/01/22/hondas-winning-in-the-hybrid-game-three-reasons-why/#2320f00a69f7

Nice article....well done.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

#sutdam,
That article is almost 15 months old and is just a puff piece, just opinion.
No hard facts.
Do you get your financial information form Edmunds?

Funny, that's what they always say when it doesn't agree with their thinking.

driver100

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

houdini1 said:

jipster said:

Michael, yes, out the door, for some strange reason, can mean many things to many people.

@graphicguy ...I've seen a lot of these certified one.owner cars with a couple thousand milss. When I look.at the Carfax,.it's stayed with the dealership. So not sure what's going on, other than the dealership makes more money on a certified car so they're wanting to crank them out.

@dino001 - I've read what was on their web site about fine print on warranty. But funny you should mention the fine print. I read that to maintain the lifetime powertrain warranty, you have to bring in your vehicle after 7 years...for a free inspection. You have a 2 month grace.period. After that you get to pound sand.
Looks like Honda Universe a bit slippery too.

@houdini - thanks. If I'm in the neighborhood Ill check out that Civic for you. It honestly surprised me at how much it has grown since 2012. If it has a nice comfy ride...who knows. But its gonna cost you guys at least another week of reading my posts. ;-)

Houdini - on my need for speed....oh, it's there. But, it's buried a bit under my paranoia of not causing any damage to the car. So, generally I'm a somewhat.conservative driver....but there are times I like to put the hammer down.LOL

If I recall, Honda caught a lot of flack for that 2012 Civic. It was an outlier in that Honda must have experimented with de-contenting the Civic that year but not reducing the price. Reviewers panned it so much that Honda had to do a mid year full refresh.

You do recall correctly. Dealerships around here were overstocked with Civics. It was a nice little car, great mpg...but everything else about it was blahhh.... along the lines of an early generation Yugo.

@stickguy - yeah, Mazda 6 Touring isn't that much more than the base car. The jipster in me keeps wanting to pull me down into those base level cars. I must resist!

In looking at the very bottom page of fine print, on that quote from Wyler Honda in Florence, it states that dealer add ons would be extra....to their OTD price.

For most of my car purchases I’ve gone for base level. Usually because of cost concerns. Usually the higher trims give you leather and an upgraded stereo. If those things are worth the premium then go for it if you can afford it.

For the Mustang the premium was $4k which I couldn’t afford. I would have liked the leather though.

On the Kia I did opt for the mid level trim because I wanted the 2.0L over the wimpy 1.6L. Cost $2k more and gave you fog lights. If there was anything extra in the higher trim I didn’t notice it.

I actually liked the cloth seats in the EX better than the leather in the EXL. Going base level will save me about 4 grand over the EX. I didnt care much for the Accord Sport, which is a step above the base LX and a step below the EX.
I don't really care for sunroofs, they're okay, but I'd prefer an Accord EX without the sunroof and keep the money.

Just asking about cloth seats. I have had cloth, I have had leather, I have had imitation leather.......I prefer leather or man-made leather because if anything spills..........you have a pretty good chance of being able to clean it up. Same with mud or food spills etc. I am pretty good, but people have spilled all kinds of things in my cars...leather or a copy clean up much easier. Cloth makes me a bit nervous!

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

houdini1 said:

jipster said:

Michael, yes, out the door, for some strange reason, can mean many things to many people.

@graphicguy ...I've seen a lot of these certified one.owner cars with a couple thousand milss. When I look.at the Carfax,.it's stayed with the dealership. So not sure what's going on, other than the dealership makes more money on a certified car so they're wanting to crank them out.

@dino001 - I've read what was on their web site about fine print on warranty. But funny you should mention the fine print. I read that to maintain the lifetime powertrain warranty, you have to bring in your vehicle after 7 years...for a free inspection. You have a 2 month grace.period. After that you get to pound sand.
Looks like Honda Universe a bit slippery too.

@houdini - thanks. If I'm in the neighborhood Ill check out that Civic for you. It honestly surprised me at how much it has grown since 2012. If it has a nice comfy ride...who knows. But its gonna cost you guys at least another week of reading my posts. ;-)

Houdini - on my need for speed....oh, it's there. But, it's buried a bit under my paranoia of not causing any damage to the car. So, generally I'm a somewhat.conservative driver....but there are times I like to put the hammer down.LOL

If I recall, Honda caught a lot of flack for that 2012 Civic. It was an outlier in that Honda must have experimented with de-contenting the Civic that year but not reducing the price. Reviewers panned it so much that Honda had to do a mid year full refresh.

You do recall correctly. Dealerships around here were overstocked with Civics. It was a nice little car, great mpg...but everything else about it was blahhh.... along the lines of an early generation Yugo.

@stickguy - yeah, Mazda 6 Touring isn't that much more than the base car. The jipster in me keeps wanting to pull me down into those base level cars. I must resist!

In looking at the very bottom page of fine print, on that quote from Wyler Honda in Florence, it states that dealer add ons would be extra....to their OTD price.

For most of my car purchases I’ve gone for base level. Usually because of cost concerns. Usually the higher trims give you leather and an upgraded stereo. If those things are worth the premium then go for it if you can afford it.

For the Mustang the premium was $4k which I couldn’t afford. I would have liked the leather though.

On the Kia I did opt for the mid level trim because I wanted the 2.0L over the wimpy 1.6L. Cost $2k more and gave you fog lights. If there was anything extra in the higher trim I didn’t notice it.

I actually liked the cloth seats in the EX better than the leather in the EXL. Going base level will save me about 4 grand over the EX. I didnt care much for the Accord Sport, which is a step above the base LX and a step below the EX.
I don't really care for sunroofs, they're okay, but I'd prefer an Accord EX without the sunroof and keep the money.

Just asking about cloth seats. I have had cloth, I have had leather, I have had imitation leather.......I prefer leather or man-made leather because if anything spills..........you have a pretty good chance of being able to clean it up. Same with mud or food spills etc. I am pretty good, but people have spilled all kinds of things in my cars...leather or a copy clean up much easier. Cloth makes me a bit nervous!

Better stop having those wild parties in your car.

Or stop driving with those sloppy drunks.

suydam

Cloth seats are not good if you have dogs that she’d a lot. Other Lab owners will know what I mean. At least with leather or pleather you have a hope of vacuuming it off.

stickguy

I usually prefer cloth for comfort, but am used to leather at this point. Either is fine to me. But I know what you mean about dog hair, having a lab! one good thing about when we still had the old RDX> I didn't care about the dog hair. Now I don't want to put him in either car! Good thing we don't have to have him in the car normally. But at this point, he goes in the TLX (with the seat cover in it). That's a lease that goes back eventually, so it doesn't really matter!