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stickguy

One thing it does do (and they know it) is get you back to the dealer, where you end up paying for stuff not covered by warranty. Without it, a lot of people are going someplace cheaper.

tjc78

28firefighter said:

Striking Distance is in my top 10 guilty pleasure movies and my buddy and I from school tend to watch it at the same time and text back and forth nonstop. Our respective wives hate it.

That's great. One thing my buddies and I do often is if Scarface, Goodfellas or the Godfather is on we will text a picture of the TV playing it. Then the quotes start flying.

pensfan83

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

It was a mistake by the dealer. Someone tagged a sale price wrong (put the LX price tag in the EXL, something like that. So it was an obscene buy. Buyer sees it, says we want it for that price. Dealer people figure out what happened, and Craig says we will honor it right now, but once you leave we are changing the tags. And instead of locking it up, the greedy pigs leave to think about it, and later call asking for more off. Of course get told no, and IIRC agree to take it anyway, only to go ballistic when told the price is now many $1,000s higher, just like he told them!

I still laugh about the story one of the other salespeople told about the guy who negotiated with a green pea on a hot selling car (a Mazdaspeed Protege, if memory serves). The green pea didn't know that the car was not to be sold below MSRP and inked a deal that was over $1000 less than the going market price for that model. The sales manager was going to honor the deal but the next day prior to delivery the customer calls up and tells the SM that he's talked with some "expert" friends and he's decided that the dealer is screwing him over-he wants an even better price or the deal is off. Needless to say, the SM gladly agreed to ashcan the sales contract. After shopping the price a bit the shrewd buyer returned expecting the SM to honor the original deal- and became extremely irate when the SM refused. Poetic justice.

It's amusing that with so much data available that many people still have no idea what constitutes a good/great/take it right now offer from a dealer. As they say on LH that's what makes the hackr type deals a possibility.

jipster

jipster

You can see my white Mercury Mariner, that oldfarmer is going to buy, on the left. My wife's Hyundai Veracruz is behind it.

benjaminh

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

ab348

It seems some details are finally coming out about the horrific murderous rampage that occurred here last weekend. The madman killed 22 people before the RCMP finally took him out. They were severely criticized earlier this week for poor public communication during the emergency and then two utter debacles of press briefings Monday and Wednesday. They finally got their act together today and released information that went into the report linked below. Some of the videos/links in the story might be useful too. A very sad and stressful week for many here.

http://globalnews.ca/news/6862832/nova-scotia-shooting-how-it-happened/

abacomike

jipster said:

stickguy said:

definitely go back and take advantage of the concierge service, unless you are a real techie. They will pair the phones, set up carplay, and show you how everything works. You can figure a lot out from the manual, but having someone guide you through can really make it easier.

and man, it does not sound like your state is doing much social distancing, considering how much time you were spending at car dealers! In NJ would have had to do all this virtually, and had a contactless delivery of some sort. No way would a specialist get in the car with you to show you stuff. Maybe stand 6' away and yell instructions? Or facetime in.

Yes, probably going to go thru the owners manual then take advantage of the concierge service. That should do it.

With social distancing at dealership, it was mostly arrive at the dealership, call the salesman, they come outside, stand about 6 feet from you, roughly, hand you the keys, and either let you test drive on your own or follow you in the company car. I was wearing my surgical mask as well. I did have that Ford Fusion guy jump in the car with me. Which was not a good idea. The cars are suppose to be clean and sanitized after each use. Mazda had plastic on the driver's seat and on the steering wheel. The Honda finance guy cleaned and sanitized his office after each customer. He was off in a corner of the showroom where no one else was a!lowed. Actually, I think technically dealerships are suppose to sell the way you describe. The specialist wasn't available, so we're suppose to meet with her some other time.

Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)

Check to see if an extended manual is on the car's computer hard drive. That's where mine is - I have to open up one of the APPs and it is accessed that way.

abacomike

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:

Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm

Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.

Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe

I just bought a new set of sunglasses, they were polarized, they filter out the HUD. :@

Mine aren't polarized but they filter out HUD too. Mike should forget HUD, you need sunglasses 90% of the time in Florida.

Good to know! I use polarized sun glasses all the time now - since I don't need prescription glasses to drive anymore.

explorerx4

The RCMP definitely dropped the ball on communicating the situation by only using Twitter as their notification channel.

jipster

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

My brother just bought a 2020 Kia Sorrento. His warranty is only 7 years/100k miles bumper to bumper for 2 grand.

jipster

abacomike said:

jipster said:

stickguy said:

definitely go back and take advantage of the concierge service, unless you are a real techie. They will pair the phones, set up carplay, and show you how everything works. You can figure a lot out from the manual, but having someone guide you through can really make it easier.

and man, it does not sound like your state is doing much social distancing, considering how much time you were spending at car dealers! In NJ would have had to do all this virtually, and had a contactless delivery of some sort. No way would a specialist get in the car with you to show you stuff. Maybe stand 6' away and yell instructions? Or facetime in.

Yes, probably going to go thru the owners manual then take advantage of the concierge service. That should do it.

With social distancing at dealership, it was mostly arrive at the dealership, call the salesman, they come outside, stand about 6 feet from you, roughly, hand you the keys, and either let you test drive on your own or follow you in the company car. I was wearing my surgical mask as well. I did have that Ford Fusion guy jump in the car with me. Which was not a good idea. The cars are suppose to be clean and sanitized after each use. Mazda had plastic on the driver's seat and on the steering wheel. The Honda finance guy cleaned and sanitized his office after each customer. He was off in a corner of the showroom where no one else was a!lowed. Actually, I think technically dealerships are suppose to sell the way you describe. The specialist wasn't available, so we're suppose to meet with her some other time.

Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)

Check to see if an extended manual is on the car's computer hard drive. That's where mine is - I have to open up one of the APPs and it is accessed that way.

Great. I'll look. Thanks.

sda

For the length of coverage of the HondaCare warranty I think I’d keep it. I’ve been very pleased with my Accord yet I’ve had to replace the starter and alternator before 100k. I’m just under 98k now. Those two repairs would almost cover the cost of what you spent on the warranty.

sda

ab348 said:

It seems some details are finally coming out about the horrific murderous rampage that occurred here last weekend. The madman killed 22 people before the RCMP finally took him out. They were severely criticized earlier this week for poor public communication during the emergency and then two utter debacles of press briefings Monday and Wednesday. They finally got their act together today and released information that went into the report linked below. Some of the videos/links in the story might be useful too. A very sad and stressful week for many here.

http://globalnews.ca/news/6862832/nova-scotia-shooting-how-it-happened/

Truly sad

fintail

I bought an aftermarket warranty on a just-out-of factory warranty 2002 E55 AMG, in 2006. It was a 4/50 warranty, I believe for $3300. It paid for itself by year 3 (MBs of that era can be particularly quirky, even the usually solid E55) and 6 months before the warranty was up, I had my indy mechanic go over it for any issues, and got those done too. IIRC the warranty company doesn't exist anymore.

28firefighter

fintail said:

I bought an aftermarket warranty on a just-out-of factory warranty 2002 E55 AMG, in 2006. It was a 4/50 warranty, I believe for $3300. It paid for itself by year 3 (MBs of that era can be particularly quirky, even the usually solid E55) and 6 months before the warranty was up, I had my indy mechanic go over it for any issues, and got those done too. IIRC the warranty company doesn't exist anymore.

That’s because they only charged $3300 on an E55 warranty...

jwm40517

The 9 year 150K must be really new. I just went to the Saccucci Honda site and put in 2020 Accord 4CYL & 1200 miles. The longest term on their chart was 8 years & 120K . The 0 deductible plan for that term was $1175 & the $100 deductible plan was $1060.

fintail

I kind of joked about that back then. If they had me and a few Range Rovers, that'd probably do them in.

I recall in the first year the rear sunshade was replaced (jammed in the down position) and the cluster replaced for dead pixels (it was like that when I bought it, but don't tell them that - oops). Those two things alone were ~$2500.

28firefighter said:

That’s because they only charged $3300 on an E55 warranty...

28firefighter

Doug DeMuro did a whole series on the CarMax warranty he got for his 2006 Range Rover. Apparently paid out some astronomical number relative to what he paid - like 10x.

mcdawgg

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

....Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)

Those old car manuals with hundreds of pages are a thing of the past. Now they just have a booklet as you saw to get you going and explain the basic features. There's still an online or pdf manual that's hundreds of pages long that you can look at if you'd like. But yes, I think Honda does put a little extra into the engineering. Toyota was started by bank/finance people, and they still have the greatest cash pile in the auto universe. Some call it "The Bank of Toyota." Toyotas are really good cars and last a really long time, but the last time I was in a Camry I did feel elements of value engineering in the car. Hondas have that too, of course, but imho to maybe a lesser extent? Soichiro Honda was an engineer and hands-on builder, and the presidents of Honda even these days are engineers.

You probably already know this but your car itself, as well as the engine and transmission, were all made in various plants in Ohio. More than 95% of Hondas and Acuras are made in the US. Here's an 11-minute video Honda made about the Marysville plant where Accords and TLXs are built (although they never seem to show Acura production in these videos that I've seen). So buying your car also did a small thing to strengthen the

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/11/14/consumer-reports-auto-reliability-study-2020-vehicles/2578463001/

Most cars are very reliable, not much difference between #1 and #12, but...

roadburner

There are only three cars I'd own in both the Top 10 Most Reliable and the Top 10 Least Reliable- everything else is a complete and total "Meh".

ronsteve

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

pass on it IMO. especially since you have 3 years already (that is a nice perk of the CPO). after that, just use coupons and get your annual to 2x/year oil changes for $40 or so. that car really has very little extra stuff. A brake fluid change at 3 years (no clue if their plan covers it) and plugs at 105K miles. Do your own air and cabin filters. They do have trans fluid change on the list for the CVT, and I suspect that might be a 100K item also (it is 25K under severe duty). Regular AT fluid change is about $100. Other than that you will go a long time without anything being called for. Highly unlikely you get your money back from that plan.

Might be different on a car like a Mercedes where the same service costs 10x as much!

this is the list of items (need to open the PDF).

https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2020/Accord-Sedan/features/Maintenance-Minder-System/1/maintenance-minder-system-pdf

I’d change the transmission fluid on a severe duty schedule since that’s the only potentially questionable item in Honda’s otherwise bulletproof structure. Heck, even on a regular transmission I’d do it at 50k miles. Honda’s CVTs is probably one of the best but why take chances.

My RDX seems to want tranny fluid changes on a severe schedule. Carfax said it was done the first time at 33K. After oil changes at 39K (right before I bought it) and 48K, when MM came on at 57K it wanted the tranny again.

The "oil life" on the MM just seems calibrated to reach zero at 10,000 miles.

ronsteve

stickguy said:

Sharp car Jip. Now need to dump the mariner!

How old IS that Mariner? I know that generation of the Escape went through 2012, but the Mercury brand sure didn't.

ronsteve

abacomike said:

jipster said:

Yes, probably going to go thru the owners manual then take advantage of the concierge service. That should do it.

...snip...

Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)

Check to see if an extended manual is on the car's computer hard drive. That's where mine is - I have to open up one of the APPs and it is accessed that way.

When I had my 2002 Accord, and my Honda dealer back in NC was trying to upsell me services and intervals, I dared to quote the owner's manual. Their response was "Honda didn't actually write the manual." Basically claiming that it was just some contractor, and what they were trying to sell me was "actually" the manufacturer-recommended service. Hard pass.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

You can see my white Mercury Mariner, that oldfarmer is going to buy, on the left. My wife's Hyundai Veracruz is behind it.

Now that you’ve fixed it all up and rolled the odometer back a 100k I’ll be right over. Actually that Mariner looks good for it’s age.

I was wondering, how do you plan on keeping those white seats clean. On my Ford I throw a towel over the seat that I can whip off quick when I want to show off.

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

Well, Jipster ran his Mercury for what, 160k miles? He must take reasonable care of his cars. For folks like him I don’t see the point of an extended warranty. I seem to remember Ford sending me offers of 10year/150,000 mile warranties but I drive that car so few miles I’d run out the clock long before the miles.

jipster

stickguy said:

Sharp car Jip. Now need to dump the mariner!

Welllll, hard to dump the Mariner. Think of it as an extended warranty should another vehicle in my fleet
become inoperable. I could probably get $3,000...maybe $3,250....but if need be, where am I going to find a car as good as it is for that kind of money? Wife wants me to dump it though. To insure the Mariner is $272 every 6 months, or I could turn in the plates and mothball it till needed.

tjc78

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

You can see my white Mercury Mariner, that oldfarmer is going to buy, on the left. My wife's Hyundai Veracruz is behind it.

Now that you’ve fixed it all up and rolled the odometer back a 100k I’ll be right over. Actually that Mariner looks good for it’s age.

I was wondering, how do you plan on keeping those white seats clean. On my Ford I throw a towel over the seat that I can whip off quick when I want to show off.

My Volvo has the white leather. I haven’t had any problems other than some dye transfer from jeans. That comes right off with some Lexol.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

There are only three cars I'd own in both the Top 10 Most Reliable and the Top 10 Least Reliable- everything else is a complete and total "Meh".

How did Dodge come in 8th and Chrysler 19th?

jmonroe1

ronsteve said:

abacomike said:

jipster said:

Yes, probably going to go thru the owners manual then take advantage of the concierge service. That should do it.

...snip...

Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)

Check to see if an extended manual is on the car's computer hard drive. That's where mine is - I have to open up one of the APPs and it is accessed that way.

When I had my 2002 Accord, and my Honda dealer back in NC was trying to upsell me services and intervals, I dared to quote the owner's manual. Their response was "Honda didn't actually write the manual." Basically claiming that it was just some contractor, and what they were trying to sell me was "actually" the manufacturer-recommended service. Hard pass.

WOW, that's pretty brazen. Good thing you wore your fishing waders that day. Otherwise you would have ruined a nice pair of slacks.

jmonroe

jipster

ronsteve said:

stickguy said:

Sharp car Jip. Now need to dump the mariner!

How old IS that Mariner? I know that generation of the Escape went through 2012, but the Mercury brand sure didn't.

It's a 2008. V6. Has that 3.0 Duratec engine.. Not sure when they stopped making them. It's been family owned since a year or two old.

ronsteve

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

Well, Jipster ran his Mercury for what, 160k miles? He must take reasonable care of his cars. For folks like him I don’t see the point of an extended warranty. I seem to remember Ford sending me offers of 10year/150,000 mile warranties but I drive that car so few miles I’d run out the clock long before the miles.

One of my co-workers ran her Mariner (I think an 08, definitely white like jip's) to 225k.

cdnpinhead

ab348 said:

It seems some details are finally coming out about the horrific murderous rampage that occurred here last weekend.http://globalnews.ca/news/6862832/nova-scotia-shooting-how-it-happened/

Very comprehensive. Thanks for the link.

driver100

ronsteve said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

Well, Jipster ran his Mercury for what, 160k miles? He must take reasonable care of his cars. For folks like him I don’t see the point of an extended warranty. I seem to remember Ford sending me offers of 10year/150,000 mile warranties but I drive that car so few miles I’d run out the clock long before the miles.

One of my co-workers ran her Mariner (I think an 08, definitely white like jip's) to 225k.

I guess white lasts longer

driver100

tjc78 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

You can see my white Mercury Mariner, that oldfarmer is going to buy, on the left. My wife's Hyundai Veracruz is behind it.

Now that you’ve fixed it all up and rolled the odometer back a 100k I’ll be right over. Actually that Mariner looks good for it’s age.

I was wondering, how do you plan on keeping those white seats clean. On my Ford I throw a towel over the seat that I can whip off quick when I want to show off.

My Volvo has the white leather. I haven’t had any problems other than some dye transfer from jeans. That comes right off with some Lexol.

We have had white or light in at least our last 5 cars.....never had a problem keeping seats clean. Sometimes the dog had a dirty paw, but, it wiped clean easily. Keep some cleaner around.

driver100

I don't trust 3rd party warranties....one major company went out of business leaving policy holders stranded. And, any of them could go under at any time. It would be easy for them to collect money and then go bankrupt, less chance with a manufacturer warranty.

houdini1

jipster said:

imidazol97 said:

jipster said:

Imizidal. Yes, my biggest worry would be that the car would sell. I really wasn't fully relaxed until I got in the car to drive it home. ;-)

I'm glad I wasn't alone in worrying for you. I also was concerned they would say they had reconsidered and couldn't go lower and another 500$ up.

I recall Isoldhondas telling about giving a price that was good for that day and the people wanted to leave and think it over. Next day, price wasn't good when they came back. I think I'm not having a Joe moment and remembering wrong, but it must have been a clearly good deal he/the store offered them.

Sales Manager said the price would probably go up after" today ", meaning buy now or pound sound .

What ever happened to isellhyundais?
We blood brothers now.

As I recall, he had a problem (not his fault) logging in, got disgusted and rode off into the sunset.

driver100

Jip, great interior. Usually they put a black interior in a silver car. Really nice having the contrasting white along with black.

houdini1

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

It was a mistake by the dealer. Someone tagged a sale price wrong (put the LX price tag in the EXL, something like that. So it was an obscene buy. Buyer sees it, says we want it for that price. Dealer people figure out what happened, and Craig says we will honor it right now, but once you leave we are changing the tags. And instead of locking it up, the greedy pigs leave to think about it, and later call asking for more off. Of course get told no, and IIRC agree to take it anyway, only to go ballistic when told the price is now many $1,000s higher, just like he told them!

I still laugh about the story one of the other salespeople told about the guy who negotiated with a green pea on a hot selling car (a Mazdaspeed Protege, if memory serves). The green pea didn't know that the car was not to be sold below MSRP and inked a deal that was over $1000 less than the going market price for that model. The sales manager was going to honor the deal but the next day prior to delivery the customer calls up and tells the SM that he's talked with some "expert" friends and he's decided that the dealer is screwing him over-he wants an even better price or the deal is off. Needless to say, the SM gladly agreed to ashcan the sales contract. After shopping the price a bit the shrewd buyer returned expecting the SM to honor the original deal- and became extremely irate when the SM refused. Poetic justice.

Speaking of greenpea, we used to have a poster here with that moniker. A nice young man. Anyone else here remember him?

stickguy

companies work the numbers and know what they are doing. i bet that at a certain point they know that the extra miles will almost always go unused. People either sell the car, or just don't drive enough when it gets older to get that high. So if you are only going to put on 110-120 miles in the 9 years, the extra ones they include are just window dressing!

benjaminh

Getting gas in the olden days....

jmonroe1

houdini1 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

It was a mistake by the dealer. Someone tagged a sale price wrong (put the LX price tag in the EXL, something like that. So it was an obscene buy. Buyer sees it, says we want it for that price. Dealer people figure out what happened, and Craig says we will honor it right now, but once you leave we are changing the tags. And instead of locking it up, the greedy pigs leave to think about it, and later call asking for more off. Of course get told no, and IIRC agree to take it anyway, only to go ballistic when told the price is now many $1,000s higher, just like he told them!

I still laugh about the story one of the other salespeople told about the guy who negotiated with a green pea on a hot selling car (a Mazdaspeed Protege, if memory serves). The green pea didn't know that the car was not to be sold below MSRP and inked a deal that was over $1000 less than the going market price for that model. The sales manager was going to honor the deal but the next day prior to delivery the customer calls up and tells the SM that he's talked with some "expert" friends and he's decided that the dealer is screwing him over-he wants an even better price or the deal is off. Needless to say, the SM gladly agreed to ashcan the sales contract. After shopping the price a bit the shrewd buyer returned expecting the SM to honor the original deal- and became extremely irate when the SM refused. Poetic justice.

Speaking of greenpea, we used to have a poster here with that moniker. A nice young man. Anyone else here remember him?

Yep, I remember him. I'm pretty sure he was from the Boston area and sold Nissan products. That alone means he was kinda wacky (Boston part). I'm also pretty sure our old poster buddy @Richard tried to help him out with various things, then he disappeared.

jmonroe

stickguy

I remember the name. And my favorite handle, "isellpotiacs" I don't think he lasted long.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

ronsteve said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

Well, Jipster ran his Mercury for what, 160k miles? He must take reasonable care of his cars. For folks like him I don’t see the point of an extended warranty. I seem to remember Ford sending me offers of 10year/150,000 mile warranties but I drive that car so few miles I’d run out the clock long before the miles.

One of my co-workers ran her Mariner (I think an 08, definitely white like jip's) to 225k.

I guess white lasts longer

That's good because all three of our cars are white.

oldfarmer50

houdini1 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

It was a mistake by the dealer. Someone tagged a sale price wrong (put the LX price tag in the EXL, something like that. So it was an obscene buy. Buyer sees it, says we want it for that price. Dealer people figure out what happened, and Craig says we will honor it right now, but once you leave we are changing the tags. And instead of locking it up, the greedy pigs leave to think about it, and later call asking for more off. Of course get told no, and IIRC agree to take it anyway, only to go ballistic when told the price is now many $1,000s higher, just like he told them!

I still laugh about the story one of the other salespeople told about the guy who negotiated with a green pea on a hot selling car (a Mazdaspeed Protege, if memory serves). The green pea didn't know that the car was not to be sold below MSRP and inked a deal that was over $1000 less than the going market price for that model. The sales manager was going to honor the deal but the next day prior to delivery the customer calls up and tells the SM that he's talked with some "expert" friends and he's decided that the dealer is screwing him over-he wants an even better price or the deal is off. Needless to say, the SM gladly agreed to ashcan the sales contract. After shopping the price a bit the shrewd buyer returned expecting the SM to honor the original deal- and became extremely irate when the SM refused. Poetic justice.

Speaking of greenpea, we used to have a poster here with that moniker. A nice young man. Anyone else here remember him?

Didn’t he work out of Vancouver?

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

stickguy said:

Sharp car Jip. Now need to dump the mariner!

How old IS that Mariner? I know that generation of the Escape went through 2012, but the Mercury brand sure didn't.

It's a 2008. V6. Has that 3.0 Duratec engine.. Not sure when they stopped making them. It's been family owned since a year or two old.

Duratec is a general name used for multiple Ford gas and Diesel engines. I think the 3.0L in your Mariner was used until 2012. Great engine as long as you didn’t overheat it.

jipster

I've had that 3.0 Duratec in 3 of my vehicles. (Mazda MPV, Mercury Mariner, Mercury Milan), and all have burned various degrees of oil... despite regular oil changes. Well, not sure on that Milan, probably not.

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

houdini1 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

It was a mistake by the dealer. Someone tagged a sale price wrong (put the LX price tag in the EXL, something like that. So it was an obscene buy. Buyer sees it, says we want it for that price. Dealer people figure out what happened, and Craig says we will honor it right now, but once you leave we are changing the tags. And instead of locking it up, the greedy pigs leave to think about it, and later call asking for more off. Of course get told no, and IIRC agree to take it anyway, only to go ballistic when told the price is now many $1,000s higher, just like he told them!

I still laugh about the story one of the other salespeople told about the guy who negotiated with a green pea on a hot selling car (a Mazdaspeed Protege, if memory serves). The green pea didn't know that the car was not to be sold below MSRP and inked a deal that was over $1000 less than the going market price for that model. The sales manager was going to honor the deal but the next day prior to delivery the customer calls up and tells the SM that he's talked with some "expert" friends and he's decided that the dealer is screwing him over-he wants an even better price or the deal is off. Needless to say, the SM gladly agreed to ashcan the sales contract. After shopping the price a bit the shrewd buyer returned expecting the SM to honor the original deal- and became extremely irate when the SM refused. Poetic justice.

Speaking of greenpea, we used to have a poster here with that moniker. A nice young man. Anyone else here remember him?

Didn’t he work out of Vancouver?

I think that was Boomcheck or something but definitely not greenpea.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

stickguy said:

Sharp car Jip. Now need to dump the mariner!

How old IS that Mariner? I know that generation of the Escape went through 2012, but the Mercury brand sure didn't.

It's a 2008. V6. Has that 3.0 Duratec engine.. Not sure when they stopped making them. It's been family owned since a year or two old.

Duratec is a general name used for multiple Ford gas and Diesel engines. I think the 3.0L in your Mariner was used until 2012. Great engine as long as you didn’t overheat it.

Isn't that the case with ANY engine?

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

There are only three cars I'd own in both the Top 10 Most Reliable and the Top 10 Least Reliable- everything else is a complete and total "Meh".

How did Dodge come in 8th and Chrysler 19th?

Just illustrates the problem with CONSUMER reports. Also possibly all Pacifica complaints alone outweigh all Dodge complaints.