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oldfarmer50

jipster said:

I've had that 3.0 Duratec in 3 of my vehicles. (Mazda MPV, Mercury Mariner, Mercury Milan), and all have burned various degrees of oil... despite regular oil changes. Well, not sure on that Milan, probably not.

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

The3.0L in my son’s Mercury didn’t use any oil even after he burned a valve.

In other news, I was able to get some results with the IRS Get My Payment site. Heretofore all I got was “We can’t tell if you’ll get a check”. Today I finally got confirmation that they know I exist. I plugged my banking info into the site and gave them some figures off my 2019 return. Again they tried the “We don’t know who you are” business. I then used my 2018 tax info and it went through.

graphicguy

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

My brother just bought a 2020 Kia Sorrento. His warranty is only 7 years/100k miles bumper to bumper for 2 grand.

Did he get it used? I thought Hyundai was offering the same warranty I got on my Kia.....10yr/100K miles on power train and 5yr/60K miles bumper-to-bumper.

imidazol97

jipster said:

I've had that 3.0 Duratec in 3 of my vehicles. (Mazda MPV, Mercury Mariner, Mercury Milan), and all have burned various degrees of oil... despite regular oil changes. Well, not sure on that Milan, probably not.

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

Ask your Honda Genius when you see them to explain the technology for you.

roadburner

imidazol97 said:

Ask your Honda Genius when you see them to explain the technology for you.

That assumes:
1. The dealer has one.
2. And if there is one, that he/she knows his/her butt from a hole in the ground.

ab348

jipster said:

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

I just d/l'ed the pdf version of the owners manual. Infotainment section is on page 245 and goes on at some length.

bwia

St Lucia Cabinet agree to 75% salary cut in face of economic crisis. Would the same thing happen in America? I wouldn't bet the farm on it. https://loopnewslive.blob.core.windows.net/liveimage/sites/default/files/2020-04/aUHdlstGD8.jpg
Rumours about civil servants taking a 50% pay cut have been circulating, however, the Government of Saint Lucia and the various unions are still in discussion on the matter.

According to a letter sent to the trade unions from the Government, the following is proposed:

• Workers in Grades 1-7 receive 100% of their salaries

• Workers in Grades 8-18 receive 50% of their salary in cash and 50% in the form of a Government investment bond (For 3 months)

• Workers in Grades 19-21 receive 25% of their salary in cash and 75% in the form of a Government bond (For 3 months)

• Government pensioners receive 100% of their monthly pension

Read more at: https://www.loopslu.com/content/st-lucia-cabinet-agree-75-salary-cut-face-economic-crisis

snakeweasel

jipster said:

I've had that 3.0 Duratec in 3 of my vehicles. (Mazda MPV, Mercury Mariner, Mercury Milan), and all have burned various degrees of oil... despite regular oil changes. Well, not sure on that Milan, probably not.

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

Pretty much that's what they do, have everything digitalized and print to order. It's a lot cheaper than printing and storing multiple copies of every manual they have.

jipster

graphicguy said:

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

jwm40517 said:

Is the $1600 extended warranty real Honda Care or some 3rd party plan? The last time I looked at Honda Care 8 years and 120,000 miles was the max coverage.

Yes, its a Honda Care extended warranty. The finance officer said it was "new" that Honda offered such an extended warranty. 9 years/150,000 miles bumper to bumper.

Interesting that Honda is apparently offering 150,000 mile warranties now, which means that they are trying to design their cars to last past that without having major repairs. I didn't know Honda went beyond 120k. Do GM, Ford, BMW, Audi, etc. offer in-house extended warranties for 150k? Does Toyota even offer an extended warranty that long?

Perhaps ironically, the fact that Honda offers a 150k warranty makes me think that it might be a good bet to "self insure" and go without one even while keeping the car to very high miles.

My brother just bought a 2020 Kia Sorrento. His warranty is only 7 years/100k miles bumper to bumper for 2 grand.

Did he get it used? I thought Hyundai was offering the same warranty I got on my Kia.....10yr/100K miles on power train and 5yr/60K miles bumper-to-bumper.

He bought the vehicle new. I thought is was for.7 years.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

I've had that 3.0 Duratec in 3 of my vehicles. (Mazda MPV, Mercury Mariner, Mercury Milan), and all have burned various degrees of oil... despite regular oil changes. Well, not sure on that Milan, probably not.

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

The3.0L in my son’s Mercury didn’t use any oil even after he burned a valve.

In other news, I was able to get some results with the IRS Get My Payment site. Heretofore all I got was “We can’t tell if you’ll get a check”. Today I finally got confirmation that they know I exist. I plugged my banking info into the site and gave them some figures off my 2019 return. Again they tried the “We don’t know who you are” business. I then used my 2018 tax info and it went through.

Maybe the IRS not knowing who you are isn't a bad thing.

jipster

imidazol97 said:

jipster said:

I've had that 3.0 Duratec in 3 of my vehicles. (Mazda MPV, Mercury Mariner, Mercury Milan), and all have burned various degrees of oil... despite regular oil changes. Well, not sure on that Milan, probably not.

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

Ask your Honda Genius when you see them to explain the technology for you.

There's a nice YouTube tutorial on the Accord systems. I have my Bluetooth connected. I'm getting there. Still gonna hook up with the Genius, and the manual will come in handy.

abacomike

Well, it looks like I will not be getting another S450 to replace my current S450. I just won't allow myself to get into a monthly payment of $950+ a month for something that sits in my parking space 95% of the time. The straw that broke the camel's back, for me, was the talk about states like Illinois, New York, Michigan, etc., going bankrupt. I realize that they can't declare bankruptcy at this juncture, but it put a scare into me that changed my mind about overextending my financial situation. I depend on my Illinois Teacher's Retirement System pension for 75% of my net income each month.

So now, Plan B!

They are currently going to look for an E450 Sedan in Selenite Grey/Black or Beige Leather and loaded - MSRP about $72,000-$73,000. They will sell it to me for dead invoice less $6,000 - $7,000 in dealer incentives and my USAA incentive. With a downpayment of $15,000, I would buy the car on a 60 month or 72 month term at 3%. The Mercedes Benz Factories in Germany are opening on Monday and will begin production again. So the worst case scenario would be to order one and take delivery in June or July. This way, I can handle the payments and the downpayment and I will own the car rather than lease it.

I hope I am making sense to all you guys out there.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

I've had that 3.0 Duratec in 3 of my vehicles. (Mazda MPV, Mercury Mariner, Mercury Milan), and all have burned various degrees of oil... despite regular oil changes. Well, not sure on that Milan, probably not.

I just ordered the Honda Accord Owner's Manual. I must allow five weeks for delivery. Five weeks!!!
For "processing, printing, and delivery". Honda waits until they receive an order, then gives the green light to some guy on an old fashioned typewriter, I guess. I looked but couldn't find any owner's manual information in the cars infotainment system.

The3.0L in my son’s Mercury didn’t use any oil even after he burned a valve.

In other news, I was able to get some results with the IRS Get My Payment site. Heretofore all I got was “We can’t tell if you’ll get a check”. Today I finally got confirmation that they know I exist. I plugged my banking info into the site and gave them some figures off my 2019 return. Again they tried the “We don’t know who you are” business. I then used my 2018 tax info and it went through.

Maybe the IRS not knowing who you are isn't a bad thing.

They know enough to cash the check I sent them on the 15th. That has all my banking info on it.🤑🤑🤑

roadburner

A friend of mine thinks I ought to find a clean DB7 for my cruiser. Like me, he doesn't reach for a box of Depends at the thought of raising the hood. He thinks that they aren't that difficult to maintain. I may look around to see what's available...

stickguy

Hyundai is also 5/60 BtoB, and 10/100 powertrain warranty.

Mike, seems like a logical plan. If you want to invest that much in a DP. On something that depreciates hard. any chance a CPO would work for you?

maybe they will make you a sweet deal to buy out your lease instead!

abacomike

stickguy said:

Hyundai is also 5/60 BtoB, and 10/100 powertrain warranty.

Mike, seems like a logical plan. If you want to invest that much in a DP. On something that depreciates hard. any chance a CPO would work for you?

maybe they will make you a sweet deal to buy out your lease instead!

Residual on the lease on November 10th will be $58,000. Even at $50,000, the car just isn't worth that much. I believe the dealer can buy it from MBFS (Lessor) for arouind $52,000, but it's still too much.

I just feel like the right time to make a move on getting out of the S450 is now or in the next 60 days. Taking on a 3 year old car (only 20,500 miles on it) with only 1.5 years left on the warranty is too risky for me. Over the next 5-7 days, I will either get a new car or I will wait until this lease is up.

fintail

If you work at it, you can load up that E past 80K. Remember, facelift coming for model year 2021, so if it is a 2020 model, you can probably get away with bargaining hard.

Same engine and similar instrument cluster to your S, biggest difference will probably be the way it rides.

abacomike said:

They are currently going to look for an E450 Sedan in Selenite Grey/Black or Beige Leather and loaded - MSRP about $72,000-$73,000. They will sell it to me for dead invoice less $6,000 - $7,000 in dealer incentives and my USAA incentive. With a downpayment of $15,000, I would buy the car on a 60 month or 72 month term at 3%. The Mercedes Benz Factories in Germany are opening on Monday and will begin production again. So the worst case scenario would be to order one and take delivery in June or July. This way, I can handle the payments and the downpayment and I will own the car rather than lease it.

I hope I am making sense to all you guys out there.

sda

tjc78 said:

Screenshot of said scene. IMCDB says it's an 86 but there is no way to tell an 86 from 87 unless you can see under the hood for the 86 specific heater hoses.

That’s the same color as dad’s 85 Grand Marquis LS.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

A friend of mine thinks I ought to find a clean DB7 for my cruiser. Like me, he doesn't reach for a box of Depends at the thought of raising the hood. He thinks that they aren't that difficult to maintain. I may look around to see what's available...

According to these guys it’s better to wait a couple of months to buy anything used:

https://youtu.be/JB7TTCyqCs4

They drone on for awhile so you can skip to the last few minutes to hear what the title says.

stickguy

that probably is less applicable to a specialty car like a DB7. mainstream stuff? possible.

or do a private sale if you are willing to take advantage of a desperate person. I happened to be looking at cars.com the other day and noticed a 2020 RDX listed as private sale (normally newer stuff is all dealers). Some woman's name, just said perfect shape, owned 2 months, and 1,000 miles on it. Picture just parked in front of a house. I would bet that was a Covid crisis job lose related listing. Felt bad for the person because they were asking a few K more than dealers had similar mileage CPOs listed for.

28firefighter

I’ve heard the biggest issue with the DB7 if you get a manual is the crazy amount of labor to replace the clutch. I think I read it was north of $4k on a BaT posting once.

But if I was prepared for that, had a good Indy, and wasn’t afraid of doing little stuff myself, I’d do it.

fintail

DB7 could be had with a Ford steering wheel, right? If so, get one like that just for the laughs.

driver100

Mike, I prefer Plan B....that way, if it was me, I would probably sleep a little better at night

ab348

I thought the DB9 was the one to have? Or was it the one with the sequential gearbox that could only be shifted via paddles?

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

that probably is less applicable to a specialty car like a DB7. mainstream stuff? possible.

or do a private sale if you are willing to take advantage of a desperate person. I happened to be looking at cars.com the other day and noticed a 2020 RDX listed as private sale (normally newer stuff is all dealers). Some woman's name, just said perfect shape, owned 2 months, and 1,000 miles on it. Picture just parked in front of a house. I would bet that was a Covid crisis job lose related listing. Felt bad for the person because they were asking a few K more than dealers had similar mileage CPOs listed for.

Probably upside down on the loan.

stickguy

if they are, might as well mail the keys to the lender and tell them where to pick it up! Though people do still put money down (at least their trade in) so could be right side up. Though this lady was never getting that price (heck, I paid a lot less, and she isn't offering .9% financing to go with it!)

nyccarguy

nyccarguy

Posted on CCBA. I had some time to myself this afternoon after work. I washed, compounded, & waxed my Prelude. Monday will be it’s 18th birthday with me.

stickguy

you bought it on my birthday. doesn't that mean it should be mine?

sda

stickguy said:

you bought it on my birthday. doesn't that mean it should be mine?

Happy Birthday

driver100

Nyc....the Prelude looks great. Since it is rare...it actually looks like a new very unique sporty car. Nice simple lines, not a lot of glitter, no edgy lines. I was curious about how it looks from the rear....so found this;

stickguy

very classy design that has edged well. fantastic interior too.

fintail

90s car design - no faux aggression, no leering eyes, no pointless slashes. 22" wheels not needed, visibility, etc.

stickguy

Honda (and Acura) of that vintage had very nice, high quality interiors too. Great seats, perfect ergonomics, high quality switchgear and materials.

nyccarguy

suydam

Really like the looks. Very classic. How many miles on it?

nyccarguy

Thank-you @suydam! It is a 2001 that has close to 161,000 miles

jipster

I thought my certified Accord came with an EXTRA 12 months/12,000 miles of bumper to bumper, but being that it is a 2020, it actually comes with an extra 2 years/50,000 TOTAL miles of bumper to bumper.
So, with the Honda CPO warranty I'm looking at a 5 year/50,000 miles bumper to bumper AND the 7 years/100,000 miles powertrain warranty.....the HondaCare extended warranty is a bumper to bumper at 9 years/150,000 miles for $1,600...which isnt sounding as good as it originally did. But, with a 60 day cancellation policy, no big deal. I'm wondering though, if I call to cancel, will the finance manager try to offer me a better deal? May try to pull a JMonroe if he does.

Not for sure, but leaning towards cancelling.


The HondaTrue Certified+ benefits apply for 2019 and newer model-year vehicles with less than 12 months or 12,000 miles from their original in-service date at the time of the Certified+ purchase. All HondaTrue Certified and Certified+ vehicles are thoroughly inspected, certified and backed by a 7-year/100,000-mile limited warranty1 on the powertrain, and one of the following Honda Certified Pre-Owned Vehicle Limited Warranty non-powertrain coverage periods:

HondaTrue Certified: an additional 12 months or 12,000 miles2
HondaTrue Certified+: an additional 24 months or 50,000 miles3

Michaell

@jipster - understand, that if you decide to cancel, it will be credited against your loan balance, and not returned as a check to you.

Just means your last few payments will likely not need to be made.

jipster

Michaell said:

@jipster - understand, that if you decide to cancel, it will be credited against your loan balance, and not returned as a check to you.

Just means your last few payments will likely not need to be made.

Thx. Yeah, read that after I had posted. That would be fine, though not very sporting of Honda
World.

benjaminh

@jipster : Now that you've got it in my humble opinion you should just keep the extended HondaCare warranty. Drive the heck out of the car and enjoy it.

jipster

benjaminh said:

@jipster : Now that you've got it in my humble opinion you should just keep the extended HondaCare warranty. Drive the heck out of the car and enjoy it.

The plan was to drive the heck out of the car. I'm just not sure now if we'll put enough miles on it to make it worth keeping the warranty. We'd still be covered fairly well up to 7 years/100,000 miles if we dropped the extended warranty. But, that mileage between 100,000 and 150,000 miles is when things usually start to go wrong. I'll take my time to decide.... as usual. ;-) But, almost no information on what that type of extended warranty usually goes for.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

I thought my certified Accord came with an EXTRA 12 months/12,000 miles of bumper to bumper, but being that it is a 2020, it actually comes with an extra 2 years/50,000 TOTAL miles of bumper to bumper.
So, with the Honda CPO warranty I'm looking at a 5 year/50,000 miles bumper to bumper AND the 7 years/100,000 miles powertrain warranty.....the HondaCare extended warranty is a bumper to bumper at 9 years/150,000 miles for $1,600...which isnt sounding as good as it originally did. But, with a 60 day cancellation policy, no big deal. I'm wondering though, if I call to cancel, will the finance manager try to offer me a better deal? May try to pull a JMonroe if he does.

Not for sure, but leaning towards cancelling.


The HondaTrue Certified+ benefits apply for 2019 and newer model-year vehicles with less than 12 months or 12,000 miles from their original in-service date at the time of the Certified+ purchase. All HondaTrue Certified and Certified+ vehicles are thoroughly inspected, certified and backed by a 7-year/100,000-mile limited warranty1 on the powertrain, and one of the following Honda Certified Pre-Owned Vehicle Limited Warranty non-powertrain coverage periods:

HondaTrue Certified: an additional 12 months or 12,000 miles2
HondaTrue Certified+: an additional 24 months or 50,000 miles3

Do you drive anywhere near enough miles that you would get close to 150k miles in 9 years?(16,666 miles/year) Like me you might find that you run out on time way before miles.

I suppose you could become an Uber driver. One of our guys at work did that for 18 months with his new CRV and racked up 30k miles before he started looking at depreciation figures.

stickguy

with that warranty, if I end up looking at Honda's in the future, will definitely consider a current year CPO if I can save a few $k for much better coverage.

tjc78

That warranty must help sell the CPO. Typically Honda’s aren’t worth buying lightly used. With the warranty makes it a better value.

stickguy

year old maybe not, but if I can get a current MY like Jip, with only 1-2K miles (so basically undetectable from new) saving a few thousand dollars, why not?

houdini1

abacomike said:

Well, it looks like I will not be getting another S450 to replace my current S450. I just won't allow myself to get into a monthly payment of $950+ a month for something that sits in my parking space 95% of the time. The straw that broke the camel's back, for me, was the talk about states like Illinois, New York, Michigan, etc., going bankrupt. I realize that they can't declare bankruptcy at this juncture, but it put a scare into me that changed my mind about overextending my financial situation. I depend on my Illinois Teacher's Retirement System pension for 75% of my net income each month.

So now, Plan B!

They are currently going to look for an E450 Sedan in Selenite Grey/Black or Beige Leather and loaded - MSRP about $72,000-$73,000. They will sell it to me for dead invoice less $6,000 - $7,000 in dealer incentives and my USAA incentive. With a downpayment of $15,000, I would buy the car on a 60 month or 72 month term at 3%. The Mercedes Benz Factories in Germany are opening on Monday and will begin production again. So the worst case scenario would be to order one and take delivery in June or July. This way, I can handle the payments and the downpayment and I will own the car rather than lease it.

I hope I am making sense to all you guys out there.

abacomike said:

Well, it looks like I will not be getting another S450 to replace my current S450. I just won't allow myself to get into a monthly payment of $950+ a month for something that sits in my parking space 95% of the time. The straw that broke the camel's back, for me, was the talk about states like Illinois, New York, Michigan, etc., going bankrupt. I realize that they can't declare bankruptcy at this juncture, but it put a scare into me that changed my mind about overextending my financial situation. I depend on my Illinois Teacher's Retirement System pension for 75% of my net income each month.

So now, Plan B!

They are currently going to look for an E450 Sedan in Selenite Grey/Black or Beige Leather and loaded - MSRP about $72,000-$73,000. They will sell it to me for dead invoice less $6,000 - $7,000 in dealer incentives and my USAA incentive. With a downpayment of $15,000, I would buy the car on a 60 month or 72 month term at 3%. The Mercedes Benz Factories in Germany are opening on Monday and will begin production again. So the worst case scenario would be to order one and take delivery in June or July. This way, I can handle the payments and the downpayment and I will own the car rather than lease it.

I hope I am making sense to all you guys out there.

I like the idea of buying over leasing, for sure.

houdini1

driver100 said:

Nyc....the Prelude looks great. Since it is rare...it actually looks like a new very unique sporty car. Nice simple lines, not a lot of glitter, no edgy lines. I was curious about how it looks from the rear....so found this;

My idea of how a car should look. That may be a classic someday. Very odd how some car makers lose their way over the years. Nissan for example. I also think that Lexus may be on that road.

houdini1

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

Nyc....the Prelude looks great. Since it is rare...it actually looks like a new very unique sporty car. Nice simple lines, not a lot of glitter, no edgy lines. I was curious about how it looks from the rear....so found this;

My idea of how a car should look. That may be a classic someday.

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster : Now that you've got it in my humble opinion you should just keep the extended HondaCare warranty. Drive the heck out of the car and enjoy it.

The plan was to drive the heck out of the car. I'm just not sure now if we'll put enough miles on it to make it worth keeping the warranty. We'd still be covered fairly well up to 7 years/100,000 miles if we dropped the extended warranty. But, that mileage between 100,000 and 150,000 miles is when things usually start to go wrong. I'll take my time to decide.... as usual. ;-) But, almost no information on what that type of extended warranty usually goes for.

Dump that extra warranty. This just gives you a good excuse to get a new car after 7 years. Who knows, by then we may be all electric with a 1,000 mile range, 0 to 60, 3 sec, or maybe even the fabled "flying car" will be available.

benjaminh

jipster said:

Michaell said:

@jipster - understand, that if you decide to cancel, it will be credited against your loan balance, and not returned as a check to you.

Just means your last few payments will likely not need to be made.

Thx. Yeah, read that after I had posted. That would be fine, though not very sporting of Honda
World.

I think that's just a company-wide policy. My guess is that's not specific to Honda World.

houdini1

stickguy said:

year old maybe not, but if I can get a current MY like Jip, with only 1-2K miles (so basically undetectable from new) saving a few thousand dollars, why not?

If you are careful you can get that same warranty advantage with Lexus on their CPO's. That plus the fact you can only own a "new car" right after you sign the contract and before you drive it out of the show room. Once you drive it out, value drops by thousands and it is a used car.