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ronsteve

imidazol97 said:

Amazing week.

Bengals beat Steelers. Free chili at Gold Star chili with the Who Dey Way special--buy one and get one free. They likely thought they wouldn't have to pay out on that promise.

The I75 Bent Spent Bridge is reopening today in Cincinnati. The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (department) has it done and ready instead of on the 23rd.
Video from Kentucky Cabinet, time lapse.
https://cincinnati.com/videos/news/local/northern-ky/2020/12/11/video-kytc-releases-71-75-brent-spence-bridge-repairs-time-lapse/3876744001/

Newspaper link https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/12/21/brent-spence-bridge-reopen-over-ohio-river/3869387001/





Must be a third thing coming, because good things come in threes, don't they?

It's a Festivus MIRACLE!

venture

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

I asked my son about the shifter in his Land Rover. He said neither he nor his wife have a problem with it. Interestingly he also wondered why someone would buy a car if they didn't understand how it works.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I can tell you that it’s true that BMW turn signal bulbs are expensive because I’ve never seen an owner use one.

An oldie but a goodie:

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

The problem is....you like the car, you buy the car, you like the style of the shifter, you don't realize it could be a problem one day.....possibly because you aren't that mechanically or technically minded (the cases I read about were upscale middle age women) and they don't anticipate what could go wrong.

I bought a leaf blower mainly for cleaning out the garage, I never used one before. I happened to read that you should wear safety glasses when using it. That wouldn't have occurred to me to do, but I put them on - actually a good idea.

In the examples you gave, especially the calendar, I can't blame the computer, washing machine, or the chain saw if there wasn't a design flaw and instructions are given regarding basic use.

Although the shifter is technically OK, it should be designed to a higher level of safety, so that a tragic accident won't happen to innocent, unsophisticated users.
We have seen this before:

If they have those instructions for a ladder, there should be a fail safe device on a gear selector.

driver100

stickguy said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

it can take a while to get used to the odd design like dials or push buttons, like the RDX has. At least Acura was smart enough to have it automatically go into park if you turn the car off, so really no need to even take that step.

I would still prefer a normal Prindle lever, just from force of habit, but it really isn't any harder to to use the buttons, even without looking down (though I still do). Old style cars, getting going was turn and pull (key and shifter). Now, it is push, push, push (start button, autostop off button, drive button). So many buttons, once in a while I forget which ones I already pushed and accidently turn the car back off instead of disabling the Auto stop feature.

I really don’t like any shifter except column or floor. I find it hard to maneuver with those dial gizmos. Even worse is the trend to install camouflaged counter intuitive buttons where you don’t suspect like in some GMC models.

Also, as long as I’m complaining, what has the holidays done to people’s driving ability?

Later, as I was walking in a crosswalk a woman in a BMW turned almost hitting me. I can tell you that it’s true that BMW turn signal bulbs are expensive because I’ve never seen an owner use one.

1) Reviewers complained about the Chrysler dial selector as soon as the car came out. You have to stare at it to make sure you are in the right gear....a good shifter you can do without staring at it.
2) I was reading traffic tickets and speeding tickets are way up since covid started. Less cars on the road and people are always a bit tense, all the time.
3) BMW drivers try to save their bulbs to save replacing an expensive bulb, and having to register a new part.

the push button set up in the Acura is different, but once you get used to it, simple enough. Because they designed it so that every button is a different shape/design/orientation. Drive is a big round button, reverse is a lever you pull down, and park is at the top and is a little rectangle. and the buttons are in the normal layout of a shifter. So you really can do it by feel.

Good that Acura found a way to distinguish the buttons, if you are using buttons or a dial, there should be a way to tell what gear you are in without actually looking at it, just to build in a margin of safety. Of course we should check by looking, but we all get forgetful or sloppy, or have other things on our mind....good design realizes that.

driver100

venture said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

I asked my son about the shifter in his Land Rover. He said neither he nor his wife have a problem with it. Interestingly he also wondered why someone would buy a car if they didn't understand how it works.

Most people don't have a problem with it or there would be way more incidents. My guess is that when they bought the car they liked it and they probably thought the shifter dial was a unique classy feature, but didn't think ahead that it is hard to actually tell which gear it is in when you think you are putting it in PARK......if it is off the car could be in REVERSE, which is what seems to happen.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I can tell you that it’s true that BMW turn signal bulbs are expensive because I’ve never seen an owner use one.

An oldie but a goodie:

My wife is laughing at that photo right now.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

The problem is....you like the car, you buy the car, you like the style of the shifter, you don't realize it could be a problem one day.....possibly because you aren't that mechanically or technically minded (the cases I read about were upscale middle age women) and they don't anticipate what could go wrong.

I bought a leaf blower mainly for cleaning out the garage, I never used one before. I happened to read that you should wear safety glasses when using it. That wouldn't have occurred to me to do, but I put them on - actually a good idea.

In the examples you gave, especially the calendar, I can't blame the computer, washing machine, or the chain saw if there wasn't a design flaw and instructions are given regarding basic use.

Although the shifter is technically OK, it should be designed to a higher level of safety, so that a tragic accident won't happen to innocent, unsophisticated users.
We have seen this before:

If they have those instructions for a ladder, there should be a fail safe device on a gear selector.

I remember a report on frivolous product lawsuits where they gave an example of a guy who set a ladder on a frozen manure pile and then fell off when the manure warmed up and became slippery. The lawyer claimed there should have been a warning label about the viscosity of manure.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

Pittsburg has been running advertisements on Cincinnati radio promoting tourism. They say come to Pittsburg and enjoy our restaurants and entertainment and we'll return the favor.

Then the Bengals won, for once in a long time.

Well, they’ll never find Pittsburg in their nav system or on their Rand Mc Nally’s. They’ll have to spell it Pittsburgh (note the H).


jmonroe

I'll have to let the city fathers of Pitsburg OH know they've been spelling it wrong all these years. I drive past that village many times a year and never realized they left off a "t."

BTW, I put Pittsburg, PA into my maps on my phone and it found it right away. Seriously, I never realized the variation in spellings... I hope I haven't hurt any Pittburghers' feelings, they have been embarrassed enough with the loss.

If Pittsburghers are to feel embarrassed about a single loss in I don’t know how many years, what would be the proper adjective to use for how the Queen City fans should feel?

jmonroe

Normal.

Normal? Why that's a town in Illinois.

They used to make Mitsubishi’s there.

A year or two ago a company making electronic trucks bought the plant, when it was announced one paper had a headline "Optimism Returns to Normal".

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

Have a CD is expiring tomorrow. WAS making 125/130 a month, now I would get 5 to 8 a month.
At the same bank, even my savings account is making 3 to 4 times what a 15 or 18 month CD would make.
Weird.

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graphicguy

Michaell said:

graphicguy said:

I get knee deep in YouTube videos more often than not. But, if I'm not doing that, I'm watching someone kick a ball, hit a ball, throw a ball, run with a ball, catch a ball.

Everything else....well, I do watch a series every once in a while. OZARK was pretty good. I lost interest in it over the last couple of seasons, though. As such, haven't seen it in quite some time.

There are a lot of series like that, though...particularly with NETFLIX. You sort of get involved with the characters and it's pulled. C'est la vie!

Did find a winter project, though. Found a 40 year old Victor of Japan (JVC here in North America) QL-Y5 automatic turntable at an estate sale locally. Needs work, but the plinth (the wood casing of the turntable) is in excellent condition. Motor is good. It has a complex anti-skating and tracking feature (done with magnets instead of weights and springs). That is something I've never seen before, so should be a fun challenge. Looking at cartridges that will work with it once finished (which are pricey as heck for the ones I want).

Needs a general clean up, caps and switches cleaned, or replaced, or restored. Dust cover needs a good buffing (hoping it will be similar to polishing car headlight haze).

Will probably take me a week or two once it's delivered. Fun project!

Any chance we can get before and after pictures?

Still can’t post pictures here, unfortunately.

My hope is once I dive in, it will be something related to adjustments I can make vs replacing major parts. I tracked down a service manual for it last night (albeit in Japanese, but with pictures).

Did some work last night on the dust cover and I was right about just buffing it with Mother’s plastic polish and headlight restorer. A little elbow grease and it worked like a charm. Thought about getting a new dust cover, but that takes away from the originality. Plus, importing one from Japan would run $200, which is about what I paid for the entire turntable.

Today, I’ll take the platter off, balance it, and hit it with some aluminum polish. It’s heavy, so I’m hoping it’s already balanced.

If interested, I’ll keep you updated on my progress!

tjc78

Sounds like a nice project. I need to polish the cover of my SL-1900.

Right now I love listening to my office system.
Marantz 1060B
Marantz Imperial 7 speakers
Technics SL-1900
Harmon Kardon CDR30 isn’t really vintage but wanted a CD player
70s Realistic EQ is just hanging out not hooked up.

I want to get a blue face Marantz tuner to match and finish it off.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

The problem is....you like the car, you buy the car, you like the style of the shifter, you don't realize it could be a problem one day.....possibly because you aren't that mechanically or technically minded (the cases I read about were upscale middle age women) and they don't anticipate what could go wrong.

The way I see it, if you are buying a car then you should be test driving it including getting in into and out of gear. If its as confusing as some are making out then it should give some issues on the test drive. Also doesn't Land Rover include owners manuals with their cars? That should go into detail on how to operate the shifter.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

venture said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

I asked my son about the shifter in his Land Rover. He said neither he nor his wife have a problem with it. Interestingly he also wondered why someone would buy a car if they didn't understand how it works.

Most people don't have a problem with it or there would be way more incidents. My guess is that when they bought the car they liked it and they probably thought the shifter dial was a unique classy feature, but didn't think ahead that it is hard to actually tell which gear it is in when you think you are putting it in PARK......if it is off the car could be in REVERSE, which is what seems to happen.

Does anyone have pictures of the specific shifter in question? I went to this website called Edmunds that reviews cars as well as having pictures of those cars. Great site you should try it. Anyways I was looking at interior photos of several Land Rovers and saw that the ones with dial shifters had very visible letters above the dial to indicate what gear it was in. Not only that but it looked like the dashboards had the gear the car was in displayed right in front of the driver.

imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

They used to make Mitsubishi’s there.

A year or two ago a company making electronic trucks bought the plant, when it was announced one paper had a headline "Optimism Returns to Normal".

See. That shows there must have been somewhere that's Abnormal, since the optimism returned from there in Abnormal to Normal...

omarman

imidazol97 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

They used to make Mitsubishi’s there.

A year or two ago a company making electronic trucks bought the plant, when it was announced one paper had a headline "Optimism Returns to Normal".

See. That shows there must have been somewhere that's Abnormal, since the optimism returned from there in Abnormal to Normal...

Abby someone...
...Abby who?

oldfarmer50

kyfdx said:

explorerx4 said:

Have a CD is expiring tomorrow. WAS making 125/130 a month, now I would get 5 to 8 a month.
At the same bank, even my savings account is making 3 to 4 times what a 15 or 18 month CD would make.
Weird.

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ab348

My experience with repairing vintage electromechanical stereo equipment has been decidedly mixed. Sometimes you get a good result with lubrication, cleaning, adjustment and replacing a belt or whatever. But if there are rubber parts involved, good luck (I speak here with experience from tape decks of various sorts). They either won't work at all or if you do revive them, you get erratic speeds and other bad behaviors. On a Marantz deck I bought new in the early '80s, when it failed maybe 10 years ago I sourced the service manual and took it to my usually very good electronics repair guy and left it. Months later I got it back and it worked but the speed was way off. Went back, he fixed that, and gave me a bill for nearly $400, far more than it cost new. It worked for a while but now it doesn't and I'm done with it.

I also have had success with polishing old beat-up dust covers. I picked up a Yamaha turntable years ago for like $10 at a thrift store and it looked awful. Cleaning made it look good except the dust cover was scratched up pretty badly. I wet-sanded it with 1000 or 1500 grit paper than followed up with plastic polish and it was spectacular. A new belt and cartridge and the thing worked probably better than it did out of the box.

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

graphicguy said:

I get knee deep in YouTube videos more often than not. But, if I'm not doing that, I'm watching someone kick a ball, hit a ball, throw a ball, run with a ball, catch a ball.

Everything else....well, I do watch a series every once in a while. OZARK was pretty good. I lost interest in it over the last couple of seasons, though. As such, haven't seen it in quite some time.

There are a lot of series like that, though...particularly with NETFLIX. You sort of get involved with the characters and it's pulled. C'est la vie!

Did find a winter project, though. Found a 40 year old Victor of Japan (JVC here in North America) QL-Y5 automatic turntable at an estate sale locally. Needs work, but the plinth (the wood casing of the turntable) is in excellent condition. Motor is good. It has a complex anti-skating and tracking feature (done with magnets instead of weights and springs). That is something I've never seen before, so should be a fun challenge. Looking at cartridges that will work with it once finished (which are pricey as heck for the ones I want).

Needs a general clean up, caps and switches cleaned, or replaced, or restored. Dust cover needs a good buffing (hoping it will be similar to polishing car headlight haze).

Will probably take me a week or two once it's delivered. Fun project!

Any chance we can get before and after pictures?

Still can’t post pictures here, unfortunately.

My hope is once I dive in, it will be something related to adjustments I can make vs replacing major parts. I tracked down a service manual for it last night (albeit in Japanese, but with pictures).

Did some work last night on the dust cover and I was right about just buffing it with Mother’s plastic polish and headlight restorer. A little elbow grease and it worked like a charm. Thought about getting a new dust cover, but that takes away from the originality. Plus, importing one from Japan would run $200, which is about what I paid for the entire turntable.

Today, I’ll take the platter off, balance it, and hit it with some aluminum polish. It’s heavy, so I’m hoping it’s already balanced.

If interested, I’ll keep you updated on my progress!

Yeah, I’m interested. Especially watching you mount that thing to a spin balancer at Firestone.😳

jmonroe

ab348

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

The problem is....you like the car, you buy the car, you like the style of the shifter, you don't realize it could be a problem one day.....possibly because you aren't that mechanically or technically minded (the cases I read about were upscale middle age women) and they don't anticipate what could go wrong.

The way I see it, if you are buying a car then you should be test driving it including getting in into and out of gear. If its as confusing as some are making out then it should give some issues on the test drive. Also doesn't Land Rover include owners manuals with their cars? That should go into detail on how to operate the shifter.

I can understand why people get confused. I have had several recent Cadillac loaners with GM's new beer-tap shift thingy and am perpetually confused every time I get one. The first time I got one I accidentally got stuck in first gear and had to pull over, shut the car off, and restart it because I could see no other way while I was driving. When I got home I got out the owners manual and the section on how to use it was 8 pages long. There's a problem right there. There were 3 pages alone on what to do if you wanted to use one of the older style pull-through car washes. I mean, really. It is just bad design.

Now if it was my car I'm sure I would study it and learn how to use it and after a couple of weeks it probably wouldn't be a problem. But as we saw with the Grand Cherokee "monostable" shift thingy, unless you build in some additional failsafes these things are too easy to screw up. Here's a good article on the subject:

https://www.theverge.com/2016/6/27/12043898/chrysler-jeep-dodge-electronic-gear-shift-recall-design-flaw-video

tjc78

ab348 said:

My experience with repairing vintage electromechanical stereo equipment has been decidedly mixed. Sometimes you get a good result with lubrication, cleaning, adjustment and replacing a belt or whatever. But if there are rubber parts involved, good luck (I speak here with experience from tape decks of various sorts). They either won't work at all or if you do revive them, you get erratic speeds and other bad behaviors. On a Marantz deck I bought new in the early '80s, when it failed maybe 10 years ago I sourced the service manual and took it to my usually very good electronics repair guy and left it. Months later I got it back and it worked but the speed was way off. Went back, he fixed that, and gave me a bill for nearly $400, far more than it cost new. It worked for a while but now it doesn't and I'm done with it.

I also have had success with polishing old beat-up dust covers. I picked up a Yamaha turntable years ago for like $10 at a thrift store and it looked awful. Cleaning made it look good except the dust cover was scratched up pretty badly. I wet-sanded it with 1000 or 1500 grit paper than followed up with plastic polish and it was spectacular. A new belt and cartridge and the thing worked probably better than it did out of the box.

Tape decks are tough to deal with, turntables and amps are much easier. My 1060b is in really great shape but the input selector is a little finicky, despite being cleaned with Deoxit. Occasionally it will a channel.

The SL-1900 needed the lift system for the tone arm rebuilt. That was a finicky process but with a little help from the internet I got it done.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

In the examples you gave, especially the calendar, I can't blame the computer, washing machine, or the chain saw if there wasn't a design flaw and instructions are given regarding basic use.

Although the shifter is technically OK, it should be designed to a higher level of safety, so that a tragic accident won't happen to innocent, unsophisticated users.
We have seen this before:

If they have those instructions for a ladder, there should be a fail safe device on a gear selector.

The car comes with instructions, and the shifter design is not flawed because it does work. At best, you can say it is "unfamiliar." So, just like the computer, washing machine, and chain saw, the car is not to blame and the car did not "cause" anything.

Instructions and a device are very very different, of course. To be like the ladder, then the shifter would only need a sticker that reads "CAUTION: make sure it is in P before exiting vehicle."

The Pacifica loaner I had was with the dial. Exactly like any old-style shifter, you turn the dial all the way to the left till it stops. That is Parked. It is technically superior to the German toggle switches because those always spring back to the middle, giving you no visual or tactile reference other than the letter on the dash.

ab348

tjc78 said:

The SL-1900 needed the lift system for the tone arm rebuilt. That was a finicky process but with a little help from the internet I got it done.

I have a Pioneer turntable where the lift worked, but it had lost the cushioned lift and drop function, so it was not easy to get it to drop without a skip. Research revealed that it used a very specific kind of silicone fluid, something akin to gear oil but not petroleum-based. I sourced a tube of the stuff online and was able to inject it in the needed area. Voila! It now worked exactly like it should have, and I was very impressed with myself.

stickguy

with everything being electronic, I am surprised they don't just put themselves in park more often.

graphicguy

@tjc78 ...that’s some nice gear. Always been a Marantz lover.

@ab348 ...that silicon fluid used for stylus damping can be tricky, depending on where the reservoir is and how difficult it is to access. But, I will replace it/add to it if needed on the one I have.

Cassette decks/reel-to-reel units are particularly susceptible to wear and age. As you point out, the wheels, capstans, belts, etc are all usually rubber that either cracks or hardens. Magnetic tape in general are more fragile than even vinyl records. Tape heads need to be demagnetized and cleaned. Then, there is usually some gearing (plastic or nylon) that accumulates gunk over time. Much more refurb intensive.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

I asked my son about the shifter in his Land Rover. He said neither he nor his wife have a problem with it. Interestingly he also wondered why someone would buy a car if they didn't understand how it works.

Most people don't have a problem with it or there would be way more incidents. My guess is that when they bought the car they liked it and they probably thought the shifter dial was a unique classy feature, but didn't think ahead that it is hard to actually tell which gear it is in when you think you are putting it in PARK......if it is off the car could be in REVERSE, which is what seems to happen.

Does anyone have pictures of the specific shifter in question? I went to this website called Edmunds that reviews cars as well as having pictures of those cars. Great site you should try it. Anyways I was looking at interior photos of several Land Rovers and saw that the ones with dial shifters had very visible letters above the dial to indicate what gear it was in. Not only that but it looked like the dashboards had the gear the car was in displayed right in front of the driver.

I am not positive but there is a good chance this is the shifter in question;

Yes, you can see what gear it is in and it is probably on the instrument panel....what percentage of times do you ever actually check any of those when you put the car in PARK? Remember too, you are turning a dial, and if you don't quite reach PARK, you are in Reverse or Neutral.
Newer ones revert to Park which is the way it should have been designed in the first place.

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

In the examples you gave, especially the calendar, I can't blame the computer, washing machine, or the chain saw if there wasn't a design flaw and instructions are given regarding basic use.

Although the shifter is technically OK, it should be designed to a higher level of safety, so that a tragic accident won't happen to innocent, unsophisticated users.
We have seen this before:

If they have those instructions for a ladder, there should be a fail safe device on a gear selector.

The car comes with instructions, and the shifter design is not flawed because it does work. At best, you can say it is "unfamiliar." So, just like the computer, washing machine, and chain saw, the car is not to blame and the car did not "cause" anything.

Instructions and a device are very very different, of course. To be like the ladder, then the shifter would only need a sticker that reads "CAUTION: make sure it is in P before exiting vehicle."

The Pacifica loaner I had was with the dial. Exactly like any old-style shifter, you turn the dial all the way to the left till it stops. That is Parked. It is technically superior to the German toggle switches because those always spring back to the middle, giving you no visual or tactile reference other than the letter on the dash.

The shifter works..... the problem is it is too easy to make an error, and the consequences are serious and even fatal. Even if you read the manual, how could you remember everything in it? I have activated things that I haven't used in a while, and can't remember how to do them....like changing the clock, setting the cruise control, finding the button for the heated steering wheel.

Apparently Ford and Chrysler have had a similar problem and made the transmission revert to Park when a door has been opened....and now Rover has done the same. It is a change for the better but it also shows the first model had a fault, or they wouldn't change it.

roadburner

driver100 said:

We have seen this before:

If they have those instructions for a ladder, there should be a fail safe device on a gear selector.

It's just more unwarranted interference with the law of natural selection.

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

The way I see it, if you are buying a car then you should be test driving it including getting in into and out of gear. If its as confusing as some are making out then it should give some issues on the test drive. Also doesn't Land Rover include owners manuals with their cars? That should go into detail on how to operate the shifter.

How heartless! We should do absolutely everything possible to protect the lazy and stupid from the consequences of their actions.
Think of the children!

roadburner

tjc78 said:

The SL-1900 needed the lift system for the tone arm rebuilt. That was a finicky process but with a little help from the internet I got it done.

My SL-1900 has a tone arm issue as well, I guess I might as well take a shot at fixing it. I'll just want to make sure I have eye protection and a fire extinguisher close at hand...

fintail

MB did the same IIRC after a video surfaced of an ML driver getting caught up when their car rolled away while in gear. I don't look at user error as a fault, per se. Reminds me of a Hummer or Escalade or something getting low reviews from owners because of its fuel consumption. Something about being book smart and street stupid, these people somehow obtained the funds to purchase these vehicles, but have no situational or self-awareness.

The MB selector is easy - push to park, up or down for gear, but I have seen people moan about it. The old style MB cruise control really made the whiners whine.

driver100 said:

Apparently Ford and Chrysler have had a similar problem and made the transmission revert to Park when a door has been opened....and now Rover has done the same. It is a change for the better but it also shows the first model had a fault, or they wouldn't change it.

tjc78

roadburner said:

tjc78 said:

The SL-1900 needed the lift system for the tone arm rebuilt. That was a finicky process but with a little help from the internet I got it done.

My SL-1900 has a tone arm issue as well, I guess I might as well take a shot at fixing it. I'll just want to make sure I have eye protection and a fire extinguisher close at hand...

It won’t allow the arm to come down, correct? If so, the mechanism is probably all gummed up and needs new lubricant. Top has to come off, but it’s straightforward.

kyfdx

oldfarmer50 said:

kyfdx said:

explorerx4 said:

Have a CD is expiring tomorrow. WAS making 125/130 a month, now I would get 5 to 8 a month.
At the same bank, even my savings account is making 3 to 4 times what a 15 or 18 month CD would make.
Weird.

Duke Energy Premier Notes

How about Master Limited Partnerships (MLP)?

MLP is just a vehicle for the investment. It would depend on the investment. A lot of these are Real Estate or Oil related. While they may provide income, they can also lose a lot of value.

Not really suitable as a replacement for a CD.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

I asked my son about the shifter in his Land Rover. He said neither he nor his wife have a problem with it. Interestingly he also wondered why someone would buy a car if they didn't understand how it works.

Most people don't have a problem with it or there would be way more incidents. My guess is that when they bought the car they liked it and they probably thought the shifter dial was a unique classy feature, but didn't think ahead that it is hard to actually tell which gear it is in when you think you are putting it in PARK......if it is off the car could be in REVERSE, which is what seems to happen.

Does anyone have pictures of the specific shifter in question? I went to this website called Edmunds that reviews cars as well as having pictures of those cars. Great site you should try it. Anyways I was looking at interior photos of several Land Rovers and saw that the ones with dial shifters had very visible letters above the dial to indicate what gear it was in. Not only that but it looked like the dashboards had the gear the car was in displayed right in front of the driver.

I am not positive but there is a good chance this is the shifter in question;

Yes, you can see what gear it is in and it is probably on the instrument panel....what percentage of times do you ever actually check any of those when you put the car in PARK? Remember too, you are turning a dial, and if you don't quite reach PARK, you are in Reverse or Neutral.
Newer ones revert to Park which is the way it should have been designed in the first place.

You're right, it's turning a dial, not a level like my Hyundai has that you push up and if you don't quite reach PARK.... Oh never mind it's the same thing. As for reverting to park at times this is not desirable, Maybe not very often but it does happen. It is a simple case of operator error.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

to make an error,

Exactly my point to begin with. Operator error.

sda

Happily all our vehicles have the PRNDL selector. They can be sequentially manually shifted as well. I did rent a Chrysler 300 that had the rotary shift selector and my SIL has Acura's push button selector in her RDX. I haven't experienced issues with those, both seem easy enough to use, they're just different than what I'm used to.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

MB did the same IIRC after a video surfaced of an ML driver getting caught up when their car rolled away while in gear. I don't look at user error as a fault, per se. Reminds me of a Hummer or Escalade or something getting low reviews from owners because of its fuel consumption. Something about being book smart and street stupid, these people somehow obtained the funds to purchase these vehicles, but have no situational or self-awareness.

The MB selector is easy - push to park, up or down for gear, but I have seen people moan about it. The old style MB cruise control really made the whiners whine.

driver100 said:

Apparently Ford and Chrysler have had a similar problem and made the transmission revert to Park when a door has been opened....and now Rover has done the same. It is a change for the better but it also shows the first model had a fault, or they wouldn't change it.

The BMW gear selector is the same, not much to moan about as it takes a very short time to get used to it.

stickguy

going into park automatically when the engine is turned off should eliminate a lot of the accidents. Can't do too much if you decide to leave the car running when you get out. Not that people didn't leave it in gear with a normal shift lever. Or in neutral without the parking brake in a stick. Many people do dumb things, but given the potential consequences, the maker should have the common sense to try and make it as user friendly as possible to eliminate the goofs.

laurasdada

7 years of Jag rotary shifter. No issues to report. And, thankfully, it has arisen from its burrow every time I've started the car.

On the other hand, I went to McDonald's drive through and requested extra hot coffee. I spilled it on my lap, ouch. As the print on the cup regarding hot beverage was too small for me to read, I shall be suing for their mistake. Anyone up for class action?

roadburner

When I worked at BMW I had a snooty Lexus fan bring his wife's 3er in for service. The SA sent the guy to me because he some questions. His first? "My Lexus has a button you push that locks the doors. I guess BMWs don't have that feature, right? I politely explained that his wife's car did have a door lock switch- and that it was located in the exact center of the upper dash- designated by an illuminated door symbol.

cdnpinhead

You're late to the party.

roadburner

laurasdada said:

7 years of Jag rotary shifter. No issues to report. And, thankfully, it has arisen from its burrow every time I've started the car.

On the other hand, I went to McDonald's drive through and requested extra hot coffee. I spilled it on my lap, ouch. As the print on the cup regarding hot beverage was too small for me to read, I shall be suing for their mistake. Anyone up for class action?

All joking aside, "Protect the Moron" is becoming the mission statement for many businesses- due in large part to the ridiculous product liability laws in most states.

mjfloyd1

That video where the lady got backed over looked like the Land Rover was not shut off - it seemed like it was moving too fast just to be rolling backwards. Seems like an unfortunate double whammy of errors with a horrible result.

It also stopped for a bit then backed up again.

andres3

fintail said:

I've always had mixed feelings about Tarantino for that reason. Amazing plot/storylines, but most of the gore and violence seems needless and just for show - shock value, like a little kid swearing just to get looks.

dino001 said:

I can take anything under condition that it clearly supports the story line and isn't done for its own sake, just to make you watch. I'm always ambivalent about Tarantino's movies at first viewing, as their stories, dialog and cinematography are just outstanding, but the violence always feels gratuitous and gore at first. Somehow I get over that with time. I guess these other aspects just win me over. I guess that's his magic - make something totally outrageous, so you want to leave the room, but you can't, the story is just too interesting.

Pretty sure more violence and deaths are shown in a standard Hollywood typical action flick such as "True Lies" with Arnold the Governator!, than in all Tarantino films combined. That movie was done by a really talented director too. The effect you are noticing is violence filmed and done really well and effectively; rather than just for action's sake.

andres3

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/range-rover-lawsuits-gear-shifter-deadly-rollaway/

Respectfully, YOUR title on that is sensationalistic. Even CBS didn't word it in a way that lays blame. My title? "Folks hurting and killing themselves for not using dial shifter correctly."

CBS News: Land Rover dial transmission shifter is causing death and injuries;
A bit sensational but actually accurate. They can't find anything technically wrong with the transmission or dial itself, but people can make a mistake and the cause is a poorly designed shifter. The dial shifter caused the death or injury because of it's poor design.....something like that should be "Fool Proof", people can get careless or forgetful, they shouldn't pay with their lives.

No, it is not accurate. Are you the type who would cut down a tree, have it fall on your house, and say the chainsaw caused the damage? Or maybe mix colors and whites in the wash and blame the machine for making your tighty whiteys pink? I certainly don’t blame my laptop when I forget to add a meeting to my calendar. Do you?

You know what the real crime was? When those people were forced at gunpoint to buy the car with the silly shifter. THAT’s the headline!

I have to agree, 1 thousand and 100 percent. It's just another lame attempt by the inept and incompetent to call negligence "accidents" when they should be called "negligents."

These feeble attempts, I too, am done with. You are a "LICENSED" operator of that machinery; start acting like it! The dial transmission shifter doesn't drive itself; at least not yet. Someone is fully responsible when they turn the key or push the start button; that person is the driver; presumably licensed.

A meth addict killed 5 bicyclists in AZ or Nevada recently too. Says he fell asleep at the wheel.

stickguy

well, given that it is a land rover, you can't totally discount it having a mind of it's own and trying to kill the owner.

andres3

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

We have seen this before:

If they have those instructions for a ladder, there should be a fail safe device on a gear selector.

It's just more unwarranted interference with the law of natural selection.

YOU TOUCHED ON THIS IN ANOTHER POST.

Stickers like that are the result of outrageously corrupt insurance companies, and insurance rates, targeting construction companies. Every company on the up and up has to spend a fortune trying to be as safe as possible so that they don't get "insured" out of business. If the sticker is faded or worn, OSHA says you either replace the sticker or the ladder by the way. Or you get BIG $$$$ fines.

stickguy

big day today. Finally, after 4.5 months since we applied, closed on our refinance. Nice smooth process at least once the bank got their stuff together and released to the title company (that happens to be an arm of the bank!)

Car related, the notary that came to the house to do the closing (a guy) had a sharp looking early Mini Cooper in Orange. I really liked it.

anyway, signed a bunch of papers and all set. Payment went up about $400/month(now I know where the former TLX payment is going), but term went down by 11.5 years. Interest rate is now 2.625 (fixed on a 10 year loan). Best thing was they offered a true zero cost closing. Only money OOP for me was the tax escrow, so it really was a sign and drive event.

Now just need to pay it off early so we can retire (that is one of the conditions I gave the wife for retiring. Not having any LT debt. A lease on my car, that I will allow!)

I am just glad it is finally over with.

28firefighter

We close on Saturday. 2.375 fixed for 30 years. No closing costs - just tax escrow upfront.

andres3

stickguy said:

big day today. Finally, after 4.5 months since we applied, closed on our refinance. Nice smooth process at least once the bank got their stuff together and released to the title company (that happens to be an arm of the bank!)

Car related, the notary that came to the house to do the closing (a guy) had a sharp looking early Mini Cooper in Orange. I really liked it.

anyway, signed a bunch of papers and all set. Payment went up about $400/month(now I know where the former TLX payment is going), but term went down by 11.5 years. Interest rate is now 2.625 (fixed on a 10 year loan). Best thing was they offered a true zero cost closing. Only money OOP for me was the tax escrow, so it really was a sign and drive event.

Now just need to pay it off early so we can retire (that is one of the conditions I gave the wife for retiring. Not having any LT debt. A lease on my car, that I will allow!)

I am just glad it is finally over with.

Congrats! You can now get into a Key FOB dispute with a finance company without affecting your rate.