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snakeweasel

Since we are talking about cars being driven off of parking garages and a recent mention of McCool McQueen I respectfully submit this.

https://youtu.be/JQfFLyD9yEw

driver100

I am going to print this complete question & Answer from todays Wheels Column by Dennis O'Sullivan;

QUESTION

Hello Mr. O’Sullivan. Since when is it okay to put on 340kms on my new car to diagnosis a manufacturer’s defect? That is what happened just last week with my new car. I was not going to contact you but after the arrogant response from the dealer, I thought that I would let you know the story and see if you could do anything for me. The dealer loaned me a rental car and I was told that I could use it as my own until they found out where the vibration was coming from on my new car. Four days later, the dealer told me that they had found the problem and that I could come to pick up the car. Yes, the vibration was gone but the car had over three hundred kilometers put on it. I wanted that mileage recorded and asked that they extend my warranty up to three hundred and forty kilometers past the original manufacturer’s warranty. They refused - so much for customer goodwill. Can you intervene?

Dan from Oakville

ANSWER

Over the years, I have had similar questions such as this and most of the time, the people asking the questions were not happy with my answers. I suspect that is also going to be the case with your question. Most new car dealers will not have a problem extending the warranty for a couple of hundred kilometers but in most, if not all cases, the dealer is extending the warranty themselves since they do not have the authority to extend it beyond the manufacturer’s specified warranty. Most dealers can certainly sway the car manufacturer in some cases to extend warranty to their loyal customers but they cannot unilaterally do it themselves.

Now back to your problem. When I called you and asked you about the condition that you allegedly returned the courtesy car, you unloaded a harangue on me about being in the pockets of the new car dealers. All I was asking you was this: “Is it true that you brought their courtesy car back with dog hair all over the interior and had you put over four hundred kilometers on the car during the time that you had it?” The courtesy car was also given to you with three quarters of a tank of gas and the gas needle was not even registering when you returned the car. Your car was returned to you with an extra three hundred and forty kilometers; a full tank of gas and the problem solved. I do not understand your irascible attitude towards the dealer but you are going to get an extra three hundred and forty kilometers extension on your car, courtesy of your dealer. You are right, “so much for customer goodwill”.

jmonroe1

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

RE: Dump Truck and the Mini....it seems to be the truck drivers fault.....allegedly:
Courtenay Erhardt, 26, was heading toward Bathurst Street on Tuesday morning to administer COVID-19 vaccines at a city shelter when a large dump truck rammed its front grille into the driver’s side of her vehicle, pushing her small car sideways up the Jarvis Street ramp at Lakeshore Road and onto the expressway for half a kilometre.
The incident began when Erhardt was waiting for the traffic light to change so she could start up the Jarvis Street ramp. “I was in front of him at that stoplight. We were both trying to get onto the Gardiner.
“He hit me from behind when we were merging,” she told the Star.
“I was screaming and crying at the same time. Why wasn’t he stopping? I’m thinking, he’s either going to run me over or I’m going to go over the guardrail by the Scotiabank Arena. I’ve never been in an accident before.”
Toronto police have charged the dump truck driver with several driving and commercial motor vehicle offences. His name has not been released.

They said the Mini may have saved her life...the low center of gravity may have kept it from rolling over.

The statement "He hit me from behind when we were merging" makes me think it was the Mini drivers fault. If she was hit when she was merging then it wasn't a safe merge. Not to mention that being pushed sideways tends to be a result of an off center hit in this situation.

stickguy

If it’s 2 lanes going into one, and she was in front, it’s not her fault

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Is that a GMC?
Looks like driver was well protected by airbags since it looks like it landed on the hood and roof somewhat upside down. Mostly a frontal impact for the airbags.

If it was an MB it wouldn't even have a scratch on it.

If that’s the case, @ab348 would agree a buff job would be overkill.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

@jmonroe1,
Now you're starting to sound like driver100.

Geez, I hope not.

jmonroe

driver100

Do you think this is police brutality?
https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q5t6xc4MD01yawcmt.mp4

driver100

stickguy said:

If it’s 2 lanes going into one, and she was in front, it’s not her fault

That is what happened.......a car behind the dump truck saw it happen exactly that way. I know the ramp they are talking about and it is two lanes merging into one.....and the car had to be in front for this to happen. If the car was at fault, there was still no need to push it 4 football fields down the highway with the horn blaring and dust and car parts flying.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

If it’s 2 lanes going into one, and she was in front, it’s not her fault

If it is her lane that is ending that means she needs to yield and it would make it her fault, if it is the trucks lane that is ending then the truck needs to yield. So if she is merging she needs to make sure it is safe to do so.

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

Since we are talking about cars being driven off of parking garages and a recent mention of McCool McQueen I respectfully submit this.

https://youtu.be/JQfFLyD9yEw

8.7. Too much beyond vertical.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Do you think this is police brutality?
https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q5t6xc4MD01yawcmt.mp4

Nope, not a bit. Officer did the minimum needed to subdue her after she fled.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

This Mini was pushed about 450 yards along a major highway in Toronto.

26 year old driver a nurse was driving to work to give covid vaccinations. She had minor injuries. The truck driver said he didn't see the car. A couple in another car got in front of the truck and put on the emergency flashers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/truck-drover-charged-pushing-car-gardiner-on-ramp-police-1.5961637

Having driven vehicles that size I can tell you that there are big blind spots. If someone get in one and then cuts you off it’s possible to do that and not notice.

Article says the MiniCooper was rear-ended but that can't be exactly right as the Cooper was sideways and impacted clearly on the side.

There are multiple videos on YT showing similar accidents and they mostly involve someone in a car cutting off the truck and getting pitted.

I may have missed something but it looked like the truck in front cut off the car and then the second truck went into the lane to the left where the poor car driver was causing him to try and avoid both trucks and ending up being pushed by the second truck. Truck drivers know they have blind spots but they have ways they can check them.......the way I see it the two truck drivers were the ones at fault.
In the Toronto incident the car was pushed 450 yards. One truck driver who called TalkRadio said he thinks the car did probably cut in front of the truck, but the truck driver probably got road rage and hit the car and kept going to make a point.

Actually it’s very difficult to see a truck’s blind spot without doing major contortions. Particularly on the right side. I had a number of near misses from cars laying in my blind spot.

I’m sure it’s possible for a truck drive to be a jerk but those guys usually don’t last long.

graphicguy

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

I dunno...is it really too much to ask for PEOPLE NOT TO DRIVE THEIR VEHICLES THROUGH BRICK WALLS? Wouldn’t that be a reasonable expectation?

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

If it’s 2 lanes going into one, and she was in front, it’s not her fault

True but you don’t get spun like that from a rear hit but usually from a rear quarter collision. Typical PIT maneuver. If she was in the lane that disappeared and tried to force her way in front of the truck I can see him hitting her there and not seeing it. We weren’t there so it’s he said/she said but I’ve seen plenty of impatient drivers take big chances in order to not get stuck behind a truck.

sda

It is going to be interesting how Stellantis is going to manage the frequent overlap of classes of vehicles as many will compete against each other. I did read where they are going to focus on Alfa Romeo in the US and not go forward to bringing Puegeot back to the market.

driver100

The ramp looks something like this, but today there are two lanes at the bottom, merge signs on both sides, and it becomes one lane near the top.

Both lanes should be ready to merge about half way up.

bwia

Introducing the 2022 Infiniti QX55. At that price point you'd probably do better with another marque brand name. BASE PRICES: Luxe AWD, $47,525; Essential AWD, $52,625; Sensory AWD, $58,075. Turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port and direct fuel injection and CVT engine with 268 hp @ 5600 rpm, 280 lb-ft torque @ 4400 rpm. 0 - 60 mph 6.4 sec. LxWxH 186.3 x 74.9 x 63.8 in. Combined/city/highway: 25/22/28 mpg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0gd8adrMjk

oldfarmer50

Who dreamt up those trim names? Sounds like something out of Harry Potter.

Maybe they’ve improved their CVT but I wouldn’t trust it in a vehicle that big.

Nice looking though.

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

I dunno...is it really too much to ask for PEOPLE NOT TO DRIVE THEIR VEHICLES THROUGH BRICK WALLS? Wouldn’t that be a reasonable expectation?

I totally agree with what you are saying but a lawyer could challenge the construction of that wall and if it is found not to be up to standards the idiot driver could win that law suit.

It’s a damn good thing the car didn’t cause harm to an innocent bystander because the media would have a field day questioning the construction of the wall. Sometimes even genetics can’t get rid of these idiots.

jmonroe

explorerx4

The facade of that garage looks like used to be a factory/office building, but I'm guessing it was just made to look like that. It would be difficult to convert the internal structure from an office or factory into one suitable for parking.

imidazol97

The structure should have had the steel cables like the one in Tulsa where the car was caught by the cables.

I wondered what that building had been earlier if it wasn't built as a parking garage. Our local news won't go into any detail. That would be journalism and if it's not from the AP or Times, they don't do much with it in the way of follow up questions.

stickguy

Pricey Infiniti. I’ll keep the Acura for roughly $10k less sticker for comparable (I assume) models.

omarman

graphicguy said:

I dunno...is it really too much to ask for PEOPLE NOT TO DRIVE THEIR VEHICLES THROUGH BRICK WALLS? Wouldn’t that be a reasonable expectation?

Remember this commercial from the 70s? Good times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5nW2CjR7Ro

stickguy

I always wanted a TR6

ab348

The QX55 got panned in a CNET Roadshow review earlier this week.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2022-infiniti-qx55-first-drive-review

mlevine

As mentioned above, the CVT by Nissan has been a lot of trouble. I would stay away. I have had infiniti vehicles in the past. QX56 was a great SUV. For the price it was amazing. Had the Q45 and also a great car.

qbrozen

bwia said:

Introducing the 2022 Infiniti QX55. At that price point you'd probably do better with another marque brand name. BASE PRICES: Luxe AWD, $47,525; Essential AWD, $52,625; Sensory AWD, $58,075. Turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port and direct fuel injection and CVT engine with 268 hp @ 5600 rpm, 280 lb-ft torque @ 4400 rpm. 0 - 60 mph 6.4 sec. LxWxH 186.3 x 74.9 x 63.8 in. Combined/city/highway: 25/22/28 mpg.

It is baffling to me that Infiniti keeps increasing the model number while decreasing the power output.

imidazol97

This popped up in a Facebook directed ad today. I think it's a great idea.
It looks like the car covers are under a slight air pressure because the tops
are clearly puffed upward.

explorerx4

I saw a YT of a warehouse in Detroit where most if not all the cars are on those bubbles.

qbrozen

imidazol97 said:

This popped up in a Facebook directed ad today. I think it's a great idea.
It looks like the car covers are under a slight air pressure because the tops
are clearly puffed upward.

Porsche owners inflate them with their own hot air.

I kid! Couldn’t resist.

andres3

fintail said:

https://youtu.be/CqHweCW_sYg

driver100 said:

Landed on it's roof and the roof is in perfect condition. Those G Wagons are built tough!

Funny commercial. I like how "FICTIONALIZATION" is written in big bold letters the whole time. I wonder how much that lawyer is paid annually by MB.

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

If the wall is too strong; the wall could kill you from slowing you down too fast. After all, it's the slowing down that kills you, not the speed. If I was the engineer I'd rather the ground floor outside my building kill you as I didn't put my stamp and signature on the outside objects/roads/buildings.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

If the wall is too strong; the wall could kill you from slowing you down too fast. After all, it's the slowing down that kills you, not the speed. If I was the engineer I'd rather the ground floor outside my building kill you as I didn't put my stamp and signature on the outside objects/roads/buildings.

If running into the wall will kill you then you are going way to fast for a parking garage. To correct you it's not the slowing down to fast that kills you it's the force impacted on you at time of impact and that force increases by the square of the increase of the speed. I would think that an engineer would rather keep the car from crashing on the ground outside and possibly killing someone on the outside.

stickguy

well, not going to have this problem with an underground parking garage!

and just one more reason, to hate parking garages. Evil places.

Michaell

stickguy said:

well, not going to have this problem with an underground parking garage!

and just one more reason, to hate parking garages. Evil places.

Before I moved to Colorado, took a trip to San Diego to play golf and visit friends.

Went to Horton Plaza - an outdoor mall with an attached parking garage.

We lost the car - took something like 30 minutes to find it.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

If the wall is too strong; the wall could kill you from slowing you down too fast. After all, it's the slowing down that kills you, not the speed. If I was the engineer I'd rather the ground floor outside my building kill you as I didn't put my stamp and signature on the outside objects/roads/buildings.

If running into the wall will kill you then you are going way to fast for a parking garage. To correct you it's not the slowing down to fast that kills you it's the force impacted on you at time of impact and that force increases by the square of the increase of the speed. I would think that an engineer would rather keep the car from crashing on the ground outside and possibly killing someone on the outside.

Paraphrasing:

The force only increases if the force slows you down faster over less time. My brake force slows me down quickly, but never injures me.

If you run through a wall in a garage, you are going way too negligent to be behind the steering wheel in the first place!

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

This popped up in a Facebook directed ad today. I think it's a great idea.
It looks like the car covers are under a slight air pressure because the tops
are clearly puffed upward.

I assume there’s some sort of ventilation with those. Condensation could cause all manner of trouble.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Do you think this is police brutality?
https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q5t6xc4MD01yawcmt.mp4

Not at all. She was full of entitlement and resistance. She refused a lawful order. She fled the scene. She wouldn’t get out of the car. For all the cop knew she was smuggling drugs or had a gun. You can’t adjudicate your case on the side of the road.

Unfortunately, even grandma has the attitude that it’s ok to fight with cops thanks to demonization by the media.

And this is coming from somebody who is very resistant to authority.

venture

imidazol97 said:

This popped up in a Facebook directed ad today. I think it's a great idea.
It looks like the car covers are under a slight air pressure because the tops
are clearly puffed upward.

I'm trying to figure out the point of those things. What do they do except keep a little dust off of the car?

ab348

They have small fans (like in a PC power supply) that both keeps the bag inflated but also moves air constantly so that there is no condensation buildup. Being sealed otherwise they protect not only from dust but also rodents. They are typically used for longer-term storage, like over a winter. I've never had one but have seen them around for years.

driver100

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

If the wall is too strong; the wall could kill you from slowing you down too fast. After all, it's the slowing down that kills you, not the speed. .

If you park in above ground parking lots you should only have a car that goes 0 to 60 in over 12 seconds!

abacomike

In NYC, there are lots of multistory parking garages in midtown Manhattan as well as Greenwich Village in and around NYU. I used to park in one of them on a monthly rental basis that had car elevators that delivered cars from upper floors to street level.

My car (a 1965 Chevy Impala SS Coupe with the 327) was parked on the 3rd floor of a 5 story parking garage. My monthly rental payment was $50.00 which was a lot of money back in 1965. Those buildings were very old with no internal access for cars on various levels. Just the 2 car elevators was all there was to get cars upstairs and downstairs.

jmonroe1

venture said:

imidazol97 said:

This popped up in a Facebook directed ad today. I think it's a great idea.
It looks like the car covers are under a slight air pressure because the tops
are clearly puffed upward.

I'm trying to figure out the point of those things. What do they do except keep a little dust off of the car?

Where have you been? Under a rock or something? The world is living in a bubble today and that applies to cars too. Wake up man.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

57-year old woman in stable condition. Note the pictures don't show much of front of
car. I assume the front hit first. Newspaper for Dayton doesn't even have their own photogr
on scene in downtown Dayton--rely on contributed pictures. I want to see the
front of the car.

Does driver sue parking garage for not having strengthened walls against easy penetration
by vehicle?

I guess that's one way to avoid paying when you leave.



Here we go from television report:

That bit about not having sufficiently strengthened walls may be a valid point. If the right size rebar and concrete was installed correctly that should have stopped a car going less than 15 MPH. We have a structural engineer in here so he could better explain what I’m saying.

jmonroe

If the wall is too strong; the wall could kill you from slowing you down too fast. After all, it's the slowing down that kills you, not the speed. .

If you park in above ground parking lots you should only have a car that goes 0 to 60 in over 12 seconds!

And that is why you’ll never see a car owned by @andres3 in a parking garage. Otherwise he’d be getting tickets left and right for cutting off drivers to get to a good parking spot first. Kinda like being saved by the bell.

jmonroe

graphicguy

stickguy said:

Pricey Infiniti. I’ll keep the Acura for roughly $10k less sticker for comparable (I assume) models.

Yeah....this is the 2nd time I’ve seen a more or less a mediocre review of this. Makes the RDX look even better.

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Do you think this is police brutality?
https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q5t6xc4MD01yawcmt.mp4

Not at all. She was full of entitlement and resistance. She refused a lawful order. She fled the scene. She wouldn’t get out of the car. For all the cop knew she was smuggling drugs or had a gun. You can’t adjudicate your case on the side of the road.

Unfortunately, even grandma has the attitude that it’s ok to fight with cops thanks to demonization by the media.

And this is coming from somebody who is very resistant to authority.

I don’t get it either. She even admitted to not having a truck in compliance (although not clear to me what exactly was amiss). How easy would it have been to just say “thank you” and either fight it in court, or pay it out.

I’m not one to accept tickets for revenue generation purposes, and will fight those all day long. But, if you’ve got something wrong with your vehicle, and you fight with the officer “for not cutting you a break”...then exacerbate the issue by non-compliance and running away, your age doesn’t matter. This is what happens. No empathy here.

tjc78

abacomike said:

In NYC, there are lots of multistory parking garages in midtown Manhattan as well as Greenwich Village in and around NYU. I used to park in one of them on a monthly rental basis that had car elevators that delivered cars from upper floors to street level.

My car (a 1965 Chevy Impala SS Coupe with the 327) was parked on the 3rd floor of a 5 story parking garage. My monthly rental payment was $50.00 which was a lot of money back in 1965. Those buildings were very old with no internal access for cars on various levels. Just the 2 car elevators was all there was to get cars upstairs and downstairs.

They still have lots with the elevators in NYC. Philly has them too.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Do you think this is police brutality?
https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q5t6xc4MD01yawcmt.mp4

Not at all. She was full of entitlement and resistance. She refused a lawful order. She fled the scene. She wouldn’t get out of the car. For all the cop knew she was smuggling drugs or had a gun. You can’t adjudicate your case on the side of the road.

Aside from all that.....how would you like to be married to that?

carnaught

The lady was wrong but the cop over reacted.