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dino001

andres3 said:

dino001 said:

andres3 said:

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

@dino001 .....but, what about the insurance companies? What are they supposed to do?

Insure computers centers against fire...

Insure them against hacking and hackers too. Again, doesn't anyone watch the Terminator movies? What about Kubrick's 2001?

Cause what, they are all so true, like AT&T call from Moon to Earth?

Or showing "Facetime" in action.

We have Facetime on our Moon settlements?

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.

I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.

Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000.
2010 Hyundai Sonata Review
Pros & Cons
Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty.
Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character.
https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/
I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.

Those comments were from when it was new. Don't think it has much warranty these days.

A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.

Didn’t one of our posters blow up his Hyundai from lack of oil changes and try to blame it on a typo or something?

I think his wife was secretly hot rodding it the same way drivers wife ruined the transmission on that Audi.

driver100

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.

I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.

Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000.
2010 Hyundai Sonata Review
Pros & Cons
Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty.
Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character.
https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/
I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.

Those comments were from when it was new. Don't think it has much warranty these days.

A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.

Didn’t one of our posters blow up his Hyundai from lack of oil changes and try to blame it on a typo or something?

I think his wife was secretly hot rodding it the same way drivers wife ruined the transmission on that Audi.

lol....just to be accurate....the daughter was using it while we were in Florida. Actually I now think the SIL who I wouldn't trust one bit tried to learn how to drive a manual on it....he might have even burned the clutch out on purpose just to be nasty. I am giving Audi the benefit of the doubt since I know a lot more now then I knew then.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

Clever Canadians.

https://youtu.be/EIYlgME-J7o

I’ll bet if our poster buddy @andres3 moved up north and did that he’d have gotten a real parking ticket and for good measure a speeding ticket would have been thrown in too and they’d both stick.

jmonroe

houdini1

jmonroe1 said:

explorerx4 said:

@jmonroe,
I was visiting one of my BIL's today and found this picture blown up to 24x36.

That was a good day financially. One of my best hustles.

jmonroe

Looks like you have two rubber fingers on you right hand and are stirring you drink with the pool cue.

houdini1

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

Speaking of the DBX and its 12 mpg, it is worse than I thought. Doing a little back of the envelope calculation it is equivalent to 3 MPG riding a horse from Philadelphia to Boston in 1776.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but considering it took 8.5 days to cover a distance of 308 miles on horseback averaging 12 hours a day, that translates into 3 mph. Some sources indicate that it took as little as 3 days in 1776 to make that 308 mile trip. If true, that horse would be traveling at a phenomenal pace of 8 mph but it would be a dead horse.

3 days is possible but that's really pushing the horse. You should get 30 miles a day from a horse but can get 50 or more miles from a horse for a short period of time.

Since we are on this topic there is a town in Illinois called Half Day. It got its name due to it being a half day away from Chicago by horse, it's about 25 miles as the crow flies.

Reminds me of the story about the guy who said the faster you rode a horse the cooler he stayed because the breeze kept him cool. When the horse dropped dead he said he must have froze to death.

jmonroe1

houdini1 said:

jmonroe1 said:

explorerx4 said:

@jmonroe,
I was visiting one of my BIL's today and found this picture blown up to 24x36.

That was a good day financially. One of my best hustles.

jmonroe

Looks like you have two rubber fingers on you right hand and are stirring you drink with the pool cue.

When I play my first game of pool I always chalk my drink like that. That gives me a legitimate excuse to drink the rest of the night trying to get that nasty taste out of my mouth. But I got a bad rep because of that.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

houdini1 said:

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

Speaking of the DBX and its 12 mpg, it is worse than I thought. Doing a little back of the envelope calculation it is equivalent to 3 MPG riding a horse from Philadelphia to Boston in 1776.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but considering it took 8.5 days to cover a distance of 308 miles on horseback averaging 12 hours a day, that translates into 3 mph. Some sources indicate that it took as little as 3 days in 1776 to make that 308 mile trip. If true, that horse would be traveling at a phenomenal pace of 8 mph but it would be a dead horse.

3 days is possible but that's really pushing the horse. You should get 30 miles a day from a horse but can get 50 or more miles from a horse for a short period of time.

Since we are on this topic there is a town in Illinois called Half Day. It got its name due to it being a half day away from Chicago by horse, it's about 25 miles as the crow flies.

Reminds me of the story about the guy who said the faster you rode a horse the cooler he stayed because the breeze kept him cool. When the horse dropped dead he said he must have froze to death.

Believe it or not there are war stories of infantry units chasing cavalry units and catching up to them as a man can walk over great distances faster than a horse can.

houdini1

snakeweasel said:

houdini1 said:

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

Speaking of the DBX and its 12 mpg, it is worse than I thought. Doing a little back of the envelope calculation it is equivalent to 3 MPG riding a horse from Philadelphia to Boston in 1776.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but considering it took 8.5 days to cover a distance of 308 miles on horseback averaging 12 hours a day, that translates into 3 mph. Some sources indicate that it took as little as 3 days in 1776 to make that 308 mile trip. If true, that horse would be traveling at a phenomenal pace of 8 mph but it would be a dead horse.

3 days is possible but that's really pushing the horse. You should get 30 miles a day from a horse but can get 50 or more miles from a horse for a short period of time.

Since we are on this topic there is a town in Illinois called Half Day. It got its name due to it being a half day away from Chicago by horse, it's about 25 miles as the crow flies.

Reminds me of the story about the guy who said the faster you rode a horse the cooler he stayed because the breeze kept him cool. When the horse dropped dead he said he must have froze to death.

Believe it or not there are war stories of infantry units chasing cavalry units and catching up to them as a man can walk over great distances faster than a horse can.

Now that would be somewhat embarrassing for the horseman. However I've heard the same thing about turtles running down rabbits.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

houdini1 said:

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

Speaking of the DBX and its 12 mpg, it is worse than I thought. Doing a little back of the envelope calculation it is equivalent to 3 MPG riding a horse from Philadelphia to Boston in 1776.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but considering it took 8.5 days to cover a distance of 308 miles on horseback averaging 12 hours a day, that translates into 3 mph. Some sources indicate that it took as little as 3 days in 1776 to make that 308 mile trip. If true, that horse would be traveling at a phenomenal pace of 8 mph but it would be a dead horse.

3 days is possible but that's really pushing the horse. You should get 30 miles a day from a horse but can get 50 or more miles from a horse for a short period of time.

Since we are on this topic there is a town in Illinois called Half Day. It got its name due to it being a half day away from Chicago by horse, it's about 25 miles as the crow flies.

Reminds me of the story about the guy who said the faster you rode a horse the cooler he stayed because the breeze kept him cool. When the horse dropped dead he said he must have froze to death.

Believe it or not there are war stories of infantry units chasing cavalry units and catching up to them as a man can walk over great distances faster than a horse can.

That’s interesting. It ties in with how early humans could chase down prey because they could cool (sweat) more efficiently than fur covered animals. They would drink all the water they could hold and then just start chasing and eventually the animal would keel over from heat exhaustion.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

houdini1 said:

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

Speaking of the DBX and its 12 mpg, it is worse than I thought. Doing a little back of the envelope calculation it is equivalent to 3 MPG riding a horse from Philadelphia to Boston in 1776.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but considering it took 8.5 days to cover a distance of 308 miles on horseback averaging 12 hours a day, that translates into 3 mph. Some sources indicate that it took as little as 3 days in 1776 to make that 308 mile trip. If true, that horse would be traveling at a phenomenal pace of 8 mph but it would be a dead horse.

3 days is possible but that's really pushing the horse. You should get 30 miles a day from a horse but can get 50 or more miles from a horse for a short period of time.

Since we are on this topic there is a town in Illinois called Half Day. It got its name due to it being a half day away from Chicago by horse, it's about 25 miles as the crow flies.

Reminds me of the story about the guy who said the faster you rode a horse the cooler he stayed because the breeze kept him cool. When the horse dropped dead he said he must have froze to death.

Believe it or not there are war stories of infantry units chasing cavalry units and catching up to them as a man can walk over great distances faster than a horse can.

That’s interesting. It ties in with how early humans could chase down prey because they could cool (sweat) more efficiently than fur covered animals. They would drink all the water they could hold and then just start chasing and eventually the animal would keel over from heat exhaustion.

Yes, covering vast distances humans are one of the fastest animals around. In Africa they used to chase down cheetahs, yes the cheetahs are fast but only in very brief spurts and must rest afterwards.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Clever Canadians.

Cute story!

graphicguy

Oil fundamentals dropping like a stone.....

https://flip.it/J3V1wj

dino001

graphicguy said:

Oil fundamentals dropping like a stone.....

https://flip.it/J3V1wj

Meh, these hardy "fundamentals", look more like daily mood gyrations of the market traders, based on "are we opening today", or "are we closing today". Proves nothing but traders' change of thinking from yesterday to today. Real long term supply/demand picture has always been much more complicated: demand forecasts beyond say 3-5 years are just guesses, so are supply, as they use environment that too static. There are too many variables: from changing technologies (on both sides of the equation) to simple behavior gyrations of both producers and consumers. I'd say long term total humans will need more energy (middle class emergence of African and Asian economies), but we don't know to what degree it will be satisfied by fossil fuels.

andres3

So in the National Facebook Audi Club forums, someone decided to have a fanboy contest between Japanese car brands, and the hilarity ensued.

One Toyota/Lexus guy said that Honda had nothing to compete with Lexus, as the best they had was a Civic Si to compare to his beloved RC (IS RC right?). Somehow the Type R was conveniently left out.

Then you had the occasional 370Z or GTR mention (followed by a clarification of "oh, didn't mean any of Nissan's cheaper offerings that are rental fodder").

Then you had someone reminiscing about their old G35 or G37.

At least someone has to bring up the Miata.

Then of course, someone has to mention the soon to be released TLX-S. Then Lexus RC guy says that's going to be a heavy boat. Then someone else retorts the RC is the same weight.

That's the last I saw from following the topic.

driver100

@andres3
Thanks for bringing us up to speed on the big debate...it sounds fascinating.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Oil fundamentals dropping like a stone.....

https://flip.it/J3V1wj

You mean I can expect to see prices of PUG go down by the time I roll the Mustang out of storage? Yippie!

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Check the PUG price now and fill up after it changes. That means they got a fresh tank.

venture

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.

I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.

Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000.
2010 Hyundai Sonata Review
Pros & Cons
Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty.
Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character.
https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/
I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.

Those comments were from when it was new. Don't think it has much warranty these days.

A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.

Didn’t one of our posters blow up his Hyundai from lack of oil changes and try to blame it on a typo or something?

I think his wife was secretly hot rodding it the same way drivers wife ruined the transmission on that Audi.

lol....just to be accurate....the daughter was using it while we were in Florida. Actually I now think the SIL who I wouldn't trust one bit tried to learn how to drive a manual on it....he might have even burned the clutch out on purpose just to be nasty. I am giving Audi the benefit of the doubt since I know a lot more now then I knew then.

Finally!

explorerx4

I think this guy has the audiophiles here beat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJJy6VJvSCk

ab348

Must be a buzzkill when the fridge compressor kicks on while you’re enjoying that one pure sound.

imidazol97

I just noticed the video above is from WSJ. I'm surprised they didn't put it behind one of their paywalls and cut off the play after 10 seconds and force you to join WSJ to view the rest of it.

It's a very interesting video about two men with dedication to their stereo systems. Although I question
the need to have your own feed off the main power lines because other folks connected nearby cause static or distortion in your electrical feed, the man claims. I thought the capacitors on power units did that. Maybe the
electricity is different in Japan? Different electrons?

omarman

Lives in a 250 sq ft apartment. No new clothes in 15 yrs. Still has 2 out of the 3 essentials in life. Or all 3 if he's got medicare part D.

driver100

@explorerx4 That guy is one dedicated audiophile.............guess Alexa wouldn't do for him!

tjc78

There is electrical interference, but that can be tamed in high end systems with dedicated circuits, good power wires and a line conditioner.

You certainly don’t want your audio setup on the same circuit with any major appliance. In modern homes that’s very unlikely to happen anyway.

I’m not even sure how he managed to have his own direct power line/pole. That must have taken some serious work.

imidazol97

I looked back and I see that the power line (two wires, 120? or equivalent) goes to his own transformer.
I guess I can see were he sharing a transformer with a bunch of other houses/apartments and someone in another house/apartment turned on their new Whirlpool dishwasher there might be a variation in the voltage for a microsecond.

I would not live somewhere that I had to move my couch to get into the refrigerator. Wow. I guess I'm spoiled. A 9-room house with 3 bedrooms and my own GM cars--life is good? LOL.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

I looked back and I see that the power line (two wires, 120? or equivalent) goes to his own transformer.
I guess I can see were he sharing a transformer with a bunch of other houses/apartments and someone in another house/apartment turned on their new Whirlpool dishwasher there might be a variation in the voltage for a microsecond.

I would not live somewhere that I had to move my couch to get into the refrigerator. Wow. I guess I'm spoiled. A 9-room house with 3 bedrooms and my own GM cars--life is good? LOL.

My philosophy is that if you are spending $100K just for audio speakers and living in a space so small that you have to move furniture around to get food out of the fridge and you haven't bought clothes in over a decade your priorities are really wrong.

graphicguy

Yeah...I’ve known some folks that will drop a lifetime retirement sized bundle on audio gear.

The 2nd guy’s turntable probably is well into 5 figures. You get into some exotic woods in speakers and you can indeed spend six figures. I’d debate how much better it sounds in such a small space, however. If you’re going to be that close to the speakers, may as well just get a really good set of planar headphones, which will probably sound better than those speakers.

If you get some decent equipment from respected manufacturers, you can get 90%+ of the sound they get. It’s that last 10% that will take trailers-full of money to achieve. Price of diminishing returns.

Power is power. Electricity isn’t good or bad power. It’s just electricity. If you have such wide fluctuations that will affect the sound of your stereo, you should probably move. If you’re tapping directly into a transformer, you’re not going to be able to protect yourself against equipment frying spikes, regardless of the power conditioner you’re using.

Heck, the little $150 system I put together for my bedroom I mentioned a month ago sounds worlds better than any $300-$400 Bluetooth speaker system at Best Buy.

oldfarmer50

Fanatics of any stripe puzzle me. That guy is the equivalent of a car nut who spends his life savings on an exotic car with just the right set of options, pays an exorbitant ADM and waits a year for delivery.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

Yeah...I’ve known some folks that will drop a lifetime retirement sized bundle on audio gear.

The 2nd guy’s turntable probably is well into 5 figures. You get into some exotic woods in speakers and you can indeed spend six figures. I’d debate how much better it sounds in such a small space, however. If you’re going to be that close to the speakers, may as well just get a really good set of planar headphones, which will probably sound better than those speakers.

If you get some decent equipment from respected manufacturers, you can get 90%+ of the sound they get. It’s that last 10% that will take trailers-full of money to achieve. Price of diminishing returns.

Power is power. Electricity isn’t good or bad power. It’s just electricity. If you have such wide fluctuations that will affect the sound of your stereo, you should probably move. If you’re tapping directly into a transformer, you’re not going to be able to protect yourself against equipment frying spikes, regardless of the power conditioner you’re using.

Heck, the little $150 system I put together for my bedroom I mentioned a month ago sounds worlds better than any $300-$400 Bluetooth speaker system at Best Buy.

I’ve found that you usually reach the point of diminishing returns with a HTS at around $10,000 all in.
Lots of high end audiophiles obsess over “clean power” (among other things). Me, I just run everything through Tripp Lite surge protector/line filters which are in turn plugged into hospital grade receptacles- and I leave it at that.

omarman

But he wanted that last 10% of sonic overkill. And famous now for getting what he wanted. Remember this guy from high school?

bwia

Dr. Ayanna Howard, Dean of Ohio State University School of Engineering Explains in her new book "How Robots Can Learn Sexism And Racism". She was a guest on The View where she and the cohosts seem to suggest that some robot's AI have some difficulty differentiating the many skin tones of people of color that could lead an autonomous car (or robot) to run over black people.

Yikes! plausible, but I think that was hyperbole to drive book sales. On the other hand there are robots now working supermarket isles without incident. That might be luck or the supermarket robots travel at such a low speed to cause damage in the event of a collision. Here is the 7 minute video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBak2myCWuw

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

Fanatics of any stripe puzzle me. That guy is the equivalent of a car nut who spends his life savings on an exotic car with just the right set of options, pays an exorbitant ADM and waits a year for delivery.

pensfan83

The Breakfast Club met on this day 37 years ago in Shermer High School in Shermer, IL.

Michaell

pensfan83 said:

The Breakfast Club met on this day 37 years ago in Shermer High School in Shermer, IL.

Great movie!

28firefighter

pensfan83 said:

The Breakfast Club met on this day 37 years ago in Shermer High School in Shermer, IL.

37 years ago I wasn't even a twinkle in my parents' eyes...

(Great movie though!)

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Fanatics of any stripe puzzle me. That guy is the equivalent of a car nut who spends his life savings on an exotic car with just the right set of options, pays an exorbitant ADM and waits a year for delivery.

High end audio has more than its share of fanatics who embrace all sorts of bizarre claims. Pick up a copy of The Absolute Sound if you don’t believe me.

tjc78

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

Yeah...I’ve known some folks that will drop a lifetime retirement sized bundle on audio gear.

The 2nd guy’s turntable probably is well into 5 figures. You get into some exotic woods in speakers and you can indeed spend six figures. I’d debate how much better it sounds in such a small space, however. If you’re going to be that close to the speakers, may as well just get a really good set of planar headphones, which will probably sound better than those speakers.

If you get some decent equipment from respected manufacturers, you can get 90%+ of the sound they get. It’s that last 10% that will take trailers-full of money to achieve. Price of diminishing returns.

Power is power. Electricity isn’t good or bad power. It’s just electricity. If you have such wide fluctuations that will affect the sound of your stereo, you should probably move. If you’re tapping directly into a transformer, you’re not going to be able to protect yourself against equipment frying spikes, regardless of the power conditioner you’re using.

Heck, the little $150 system I put together for my bedroom I mentioned a month ago sounds worlds better than any $300-$400 Bluetooth speaker system at Best Buy.

I’ve found that you usually reach the point of diminishing returns with a HTS at around $10,000 all in.
Lots of high end audiophiles obsess over “clean power” (among other things). Me, I just run everything through Tripp Lite surge protector/line filters which are in turn plugged into hospital grade receptacles- and I leave it at that.

10K buys a pretty nice setup these days. A dedicated theater room costs more than that if you count everything.

I certainly didn’t buy it all at one time, but I would venture there is every bit of 20K in our theater room. That’s including the furniture, riser, projector, screen, audio (biggest expense) and decor.

I figure I need another few thousand to get it where I want it.

To some I’m sure it’s crazy to think of spending that, but if you compare it to the 100K set of speakers in the video ....

cdnpinhead

You can't take it with you. Enjoy.

abacomike

28firefighter said:

pensfan83 said:

The Breakfast Club met on this day 37 years ago in Shermer High School in Shermer, IL.

37 years ago I wasn't even a twinkle in my parents' eyes...

(Great movie though!)

At least that's what your parents told you - when in fact, they were "twinkling" every night way back then - they just got lucky one of their "twinkles" took hold - voila - 28firefighter arrives shortly thereafter!!! Parents tend to keep things from their children - don'tcha think?

28firefighter

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

pensfan83 said:

The Breakfast Club met on this day 37 years ago in Shermer High School in Shermer, IL.

37 years ago I wasn't even a twinkle in my parents' eyes...

(Great movie though!)

At least that's what your parents told you - when in fact, they were "twinkling" every night way back then - they just got lucky one of their "twinkles" took hold - voila - 28firefighter arrives shortly thereafter!!! Parents tend to keep things from their children - don'tcha think?

This response was not scarring at all for me.

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

Dr. Ayanna Howard, Dean of Ohio State University School of Engineering Explains in her new book "How Robots Can Learn Sexism And Racism". She was a guest on The View where she and the cohosts seem to suggest that some robot's AI have some difficulty differentiating the many skin tones of people of color that could lead an autonomous car (or robot) to run over black people.

Yikes! plausible, but I think that was hyperbole to drive book sales. On the other hand there are robots now working supermarket isles without incident. That might be luck or the supermarket robots travel at such a low speed to cause damage in the event of a collision. Here is the 7 minute video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBak2myCWuw

There is nothing I can say about that which won’t get me in trouble so I’ll just SMH.

oldfarmer50

28firefighter said:

pensfan83 said:

The Breakfast Club met on this day 37 years ago in Shermer High School in Shermer, IL.

37 years ago I wasn't even a twinkle in my parents' eyes...

(Great movie though!)

37 years ago I had just started farming and was full of muscles and ambition.

oldfarmer50

cdnpinhead said:

You can't take it with you. Enjoy.

I can’t accept that so I’m having a trailer hitch installed on the hearse.

abacomike

I was doing some shopping at Lowe's yesterday afternoon which, in and of itself, is a task to behold, much like shopping at Home Depot. I was looking for light bulbs - fluorescent tubes as well LED bulbs for my lamps. Not being very familiar with the layout of the store, I asked one of the floor workers where I could find light bulbs and fluorescent tubes. He scratched his head and said, "...if you walk the aisles, you'll eventually find them!!!" Rather than be rude with him or ask him further questions, I decided to seek out help from another floor worker. I guessed the guy was new on the job and hadn't figured out where things were.

I ran into another floor worker and asked the same question - where can I find LED light bulbs and fluorescent light tubes? Interestingly enough, he too scratched his head and suggested that I ask someone else. So, I was 2 for 2 - inane and ill-informed employees working in the same store at the same time. So, I chalked up this last interaction to being a new employee who was no yet familiar with the inventory and where to find things.

I walked a little further down the store and found another floor worker - but this one couldn't have been more than 17 or 18 years old which I thought was a positive since the 2 other guys were well into their 60's or even 70's. I asked the young man where I could find fluorescent light bulbs and LED light bulbs. He looked me straight in the eye and blurted - "....you're standing right in front of them, sir - here they are - what kinds and what sizes are you looking for?..."

Now, the shoe was on the other foot - I was the 70+ year old who had no idea where he was or where to find what he was looking for! My face obviously turned beet red because I felt flushed all over and totally embarrassed.

I thanked the young man vociferously, like, "...oh thank you so very much - it seems the older I get, the less I see or hear!" He responded, "...yeah, my dad is in his 40's and he has the same problem - getting old can't be much fun!"

I broke up laughing hysterically! I told the young man, "...wait until you get into your 40's - you'll be over the hill by then!" He responded, "...no I won't - I'll be running this store or another one like it before I hit 30. I have a photographic memory which is why they hired me - I know where everything is in this place!" I then said to him, "...after I get some of these light bulbs, I will need to use the bathroom - can you tell me where it is?" He scratched his head, much like the other floor employees did, and said, "...I know where the employees bathrooms are, but I have no idea where the customer bathrooms are - you'll have to ask someone else for directions!" That's when I decided I had done enough shopping at Lowe's - now all I needed was to find someone who knew where the bathrooms were!!!! 🤪😜🤓

By the way, this is a true story - I did not embellish the experiences one bit. And yes, I did finally get directions to the customer bathrooms - after all, there was no way I was going to make it home to use my own bathroom - after all - I'm 76 years old!

fintail

Modern day view, from a trip to Chicagoland a couple years ago:

pensfan83 said:

The Breakfast Club met on this day 37 years ago in Shermer High School in Shermer, IL.

oldfarmer50

I have trouble accepting this too:

https://www.powernationtv.com/post/this-rare-corvette-sold-for-2695000-but-did-it-set-the-record?utm_source=drip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Rare+Corvette+Sold+for+$2,695,000+But+Did+It+Set+the+Record?

imidazol97

bwia said:

Dr. Ayanna Howard, Dean of Ohio State University School of Engineering Explains in her new book "How Robots Can Learn Sexism And Racism". She was a guest on The View where she and the cohosts seem to suggest that some robot's AI have some difficulty differentiating the many skin tones of people of color that could lead an autonomous car (or robot) to run over black people.

Yikes! plausible, but I think that was hyperbole to drive book sales. On the other hand there are robots now working supermarket isles without incident. That might be luck or the supermarket robots travel at such a low speed to cause damage in the event of a collision. Here is the 7 minute video.

Several here have scientific backgrounds. Most professionals are having their work product vetted by others in their field, not by a TV group. They publish in professional periodicals, give presentations to their peers, for help in shaping the hypothesis and conclusions.
As an Ohio resident and past OSU supporter, I'm surprised OSU has an Engineering School dean going
on the morning women's shows to push social items. Then again after what I saw at OSU's 2015 graduation with the new President of the University, I'm not. I've let my state representative know.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

Yeah...I’ve known some folks that will drop a lifetime retirement sized bundle on audio gear.

The 2nd guy’s turntable probably is well into 5 figures. You get into some exotic woods in speakers and you can indeed spend six figures. I’d debate how much better it sounds in such a small space, however. If you’re going to be that close to the speakers, may as well just get a really good set of planar headphones, which will probably sound better than those speakers.

If you get some decent equipment from respected manufacturers, you can get 90%+ of the sound they get. It’s that last 10% that will take trailers-full of money to achieve. Price of diminishing returns.

Power is power. Electricity isn’t good or bad power. It’s just electricity. If you have such wide fluctuations that will affect the sound of your stereo, you should probably move. If you’re tapping directly into a transformer, you’re not going to be able to protect yourself against equipment frying spikes, regardless of the power conditioner you’re using.

Heck, the little $150 system I put together for my bedroom I mentioned a month ago sounds worlds better than any $300-$400 Bluetooth speaker system at Best Buy.

I’ve found that you usually reach the point of diminishing returns with a HTS at around $10,000 all in.
Lots of high end audiophiles obsess over “clean power” (among other things). Me, I just run everything through Tripp Lite surge protector/line filters which are in turn plugged into hospital grade receptacles- and I leave it at that.

tjc78 said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

Yeah...I’ve known some folks that will drop a lifetime retirement sized bundle on audio gear.

The 2nd guy’s turntable probably is well into 5 figures. You get into some exotic woods in speakers and you can indeed spend six figures. I’d debate how much better it sounds in such a small space, however. If you’re going to be that close to the speakers, may as well just get a really good set of planar headphones, which will probably sound better than those speakers.

If you get some decent equipment from respected manufacturers, you can get 90%+ of the sound they get. It’s that last 10% that will take trailers-full of money to achieve. Price of diminishing returns.

Power is power. Electricity isn’t good or bad power. It’s just electricity. If you have such wide fluctuations that will affect the sound of your stereo, you should probably move. If you’re tapping directly into a transformer, you’re not going to be able to protect yourself against equipment frying spikes, regardless of the power conditioner you’re using.

Heck, the little $150 system I put together for my bedroom I mentioned a month ago sounds worlds better than any $300-$400 Bluetooth speaker system at Best Buy.

I’ve found that you usually reach the point of diminishing returns with a HTS at around $10,000 all in.
Lots of high end audiophiles obsess over “clean power” (among other things). Me, I just run everything through Tripp Lite surge protector/line filters which are in turn plugged into hospital grade receptacles- and I leave it at that.

10K buys a pretty nice setup these days. A dedicated theater room costs more than that if you count everything.

I certainly didn’t buy it all at one time, but I would venture there is every bit of 20K in our theater room. That’s including the furniture, riser, projector, screen, audio (biggest expense) and decor.

I figure I need another few thousand to get it where I want it.

To some I’m sure it’s crazy to think of spending that, but if you compare it to the 100K set of speakers in the video ....

I use Furman power conditioners. Not terribly expensive and they have a good rep. Supposedly, the RFI/EMI is filtered while providing protection against power surges. Once they protect against a surge (cutting the circuit to your system), it’s toast. The ones I use are $30/ea, give or take. In 20+ years, I’ve only had to replace them once due to a surge. Plus, given their warranty, even though they provided the protection they promised, they replaced them for free....even though one of them was over 10 years old.

Never have had hum or any other RFI/EMI noises. So, it’s either not an issue for me, or the Furmans’ have done their job.

Trying to think how much I’ve (approx) got invested in my Home Theater...

LG OLED-$2,500
Denon AVR-$2,000
OPPO-BDP 203 4K Blue Ray/multi-format player-$500
POWER SOUND AUDIO SUBS (2X)-$2,000
Kilpsch Reference Series (7 channel, not Atmos as I just don’t think it’s worth it)-$2,000
Cables, stand, misc.....$1,000

So, yeah.....Home Theater set up for $10K seems about right. I’ll put mine up against anyone’s for the price. You can spend more (a lot more) and won’t find one better without doubling, maybe tripling the investment.

2 channel rig....

Klipsch Heritage Heresy (slight cabinet blemish)-$2,200
Peachtree Audio Nova 300 Integrated Amp (refurbished by manufacturer)-$2,000
Victor (JVC) QL 5Y semi-automatic turntable with Ortofon 2m Blue Cartridge (refurbished by me)-$500
Denon 3910 Ci Multi-format disk player (refurbished by me)-$150
Stands, cables, wires, etc-$200

Bedroom system

FOSI Audio T20 tube Bluetooth 50W integrated amp-$80
JAMO S 803 speakers/pair (refurbished)-$75
Wires/cables-$5

Wouldn’t trade any of it for anything else near the price!

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
I asked someone I know to forward that link to someone who works in that world and would deal with some of those issues from a legal perspective.