@driver100, The price you paid for your washer bottle will go a long way in a Crown Vic. You'd have to look in the mirror to see how many snowbirds drive a C250. I looked up the value of a 2008 C300 with 51k miles 6200/7200.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
@oldfarmer50 Here's what gets me....a 2008 and a 1999 Crown Vic for $5000 miles, or would you rather get a bank loan for an extra $7000 and buy a 2014 C250 with 35000 miles on it (no scratches, no dents, no strange stains, no hand made console)? I think you will usually come out ahead when you spend more.....unless you are very good at choosing low mileage inexpensive cars. The $5000 could be $5000 down the drain completely, the C250 will be worth something for a few years. Just my way of looking at it.....and I have bought my share of cheap cars...a few good ones, a few really bad ones.
This is like comparing apples to oranges. For someone who needs to take a loan on a 2014 Benz, the routine maintenance and wear item cost could break them. A 7 year old German car isn’t bad to own, but you have to be diligent about maintenance.
The 2008 (or even 99) crown vic will cost half that to maintain, will hold up better to a bit of neglect, and probably last longer, realistically...much better for someone who is being cautious about spend. Same driving experience? No.
More money does not always mean better.
2025 Jetta GLI Autobahn, 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xE
OK guys just giving y’all a heads up so you make arrangements for tomorrow morning.
Son #1 just had a Bobcat delivered for yanking our some old shrubbery around the flip tomorrow morning. It’s supposed to be a nice sunny day. So no excuses. This thing has a 2 foot bucket and about a 5 foot pusher blade. He rented one of these gizmos when he moved into his second house about 7 or 8 years ago to do the same thing. He just yanked out a small tree stump but had to leave to get his youngest son to a hockey game. Seemed pretty disappointed since he was just getting the hang of it.
One of my Grandsons friends (graduated high school together) who was here last week knows how to operate this thing without going through a learning faze since his family owns a fair size produce farm and he’s been wrangling stuff like this since he was about 11. You might have to fight off @oldfarmer50 to get some seat time but it should be fun. Doughnut and coffee at 9 AM. See you then.
jmonroe
Any chance I can borrow that thing? I’m due to refresh the gravel in my driveway and I’m getting too old to hand shovel two dozen yards of stone by hand any more.
Sure, it’s sitting in the driveway right now. I told him he should block it in with a car so it’s there in the morning. He said he’s not worried because he got full damage and theft insurance. I’d like to see his face in the morning if it’s not there when he shows up. You can find it at 1234 Main St. just outside the Burgh.
FWIW, when I had a gravel driveway in my first house the trucks that delivered the #2 limestone blue chip stones did a pretty good job of spreading it with their dump truck but that pusher/plow blade on that Bobcat would do a good job for some of the small piles that are inevitable when the dump truck can’t get it spread perfectly.
jmonroe
Red Green said that gravel driveways are the best driveway to have. They are modular by their very nature which makes them easier to repair (Just drop more gravel. Kids can't play basketball on it. They make noise when someone drives on them warning you of visitors. And it gives you ammo to throw at annoying neighborhood kids.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
@oldfarmer50 Here's what gets me....a 2008 and a 1999 Crown Vic for $5000 miles, or would you rather get a bank loan for an extra $7000 and buy a 2014 C250 with 35000 miles on it (no scratches, no dents, no strange stains, no hand made console)? I think you will usually come out ahead when you spend more.....unless you are very good at choosing low mileage inexpensive cars. The $5000 could be $5000 down the drain completely, the C250 will be worth something for a few years. Just my way of looking at it.....and I have bought my share of cheap cars...a few good ones, a few really bad ones.
I went through this with my nephew a couple years back. he had a crapped out old Passat with 200K miles on it. Different story, but he put way too much money in it already that was down the drain. Anyway, he finally decided to replace it, and we discussed options. He was looking at cheaper stuff (probably that could pay cash for), say $7,000 (winging the numbers at this point!) But, stuff that was maybe 8 YO with 90K miles, and some needs then and likely more soon. Instead, I sent him some links to much newer, lower mile cares for say $14k. Did the math, and showed him that over a longer period (say 6 years) he would come out ahead that way.
Ended up finding him a Jetta that was maybe 2 YO with 20K miles, and some warranty. Required a small loan for a couple of years, but offset by no maintenance or repairs, and getting vastly better MPG than what he had before. pretty sure on a monthly cashflow basis, the new car with loan was cheaper. Then after a few years, he still had a relatively new, lower mile Jetta that was paid off, and should last him a long time.
@driver100 Like everyone said. Apples to Oranges... a Panther is damn near indestructible and will accept lack of maintenance much better than a Benz. Out of the two that were posted the 08 P71 could most likely go 75k miles more with nothing other than a set of brake pads and tires.
The 99 would most likely need the intake replaced eventually as they were all plastic in those days. Once that was complete same as above
My 04 was at over 100k miles with the original spark plugs, rear brakes, hoses, brake fluid and the battery had finally just went. The only failures on the car in 100K were HVAC related and none were expensive to fix.
My BIL had 2 Crown Vics as company cars. He was a regional sales manager and did a lot of driving. His last one, dark blue, alloys, nicely equipped (LX I think) he bought when he left the company. Drove it for years and at 220k decided it was time to sell it even though it was running fine and required nothing but regular maintenance. Later he bought a CPO Acura RLX with 30k. I was with him when he bought it, nice car. He drove that one over 300k with few repairs until he gave it to his sons to use for their college ride. The boys went to and boarded at the same college.
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
@oldfarmer50 Here's what gets me....a 2008 and a 1999 Crown Vic for $5000 miles, or would you rather get a bank loan for an extra $7000 and buy a 2014 C250 with 35000 miles on it (no scratches, no dents, no strange stains, no hand made console)? I think you will usually come out ahead when you spend more.....unless you are very good at choosing low mileage inexpensive cars. The $5000 could be $5000 down the drain completely, the C250 will be worth something for a few years. Just my way of looking at it.....and I have bought my share of cheap cars...a few good ones, a few really bad ones.
Ended up finding him a Jetta that was maybe 2 YO with 20K miles, and some warranty. Required a small loan for a couple of years, but offset by no maintenance or repairs, and getting vastly better MPG than what he had before. pretty sure on a monthly cashflow basis, the new car with loan was cheaper. Then after a few years, he still had a relatively new, lower mile Jetta that was paid off, and should last him a long time.
@explorerx4@28firefighter@tjc78 I probably shouldn't have used the C250 as the alternative....it was just that when I researched it's trade in value as $10000 I was surprised you could potentially buy a car that is like new for that price. I know those old Crown Vics are cheap to fix and pretty much trouble free........but I wouldn't trust buying one unless I knew the story behind it. Paying $5000 for those Crown Vics could be $5000 down the drain. It could be one repair after the other, and not dependable enough to get you to work.
I have had very limited funds before, but if at all possible, I would probably get something like this Sonata from Carvana https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1705052 $11000 36000 miles, clean, a warranty. You should get 5 years out of it.....might cost $1000 more a year to own. Those Crown Vics eventually do breakdown.
I have been there and done that................paying a little more a year for something CAN cost less in the long run.
@laurasdada ...so very sorry to hear of your Father’s passing. Sincere condolences.
The COVID vaccines are really opening up around my neck of the woods, too. I just became eligible, but since I transported someone who was elderly, they gave mine early. That said, we’re starting to see big venues like County Fairgrounds opening for COVID vaccines....drive through.
Last night I got a text from CVS stating I could set up an appointment to get my vaccine at my convenience.
So yeah, it’s finally kicked into high gear. Most of my friends are either planning to get vaccinated this week, or already have been vaccinated.
NOt really a friend, but an acquaintance said something earlier this week that he wouldn’t get vaccinated because it’s not really a vaccination they’re jabbing you with, but actually a computer chip, so they can track him. I just shook my head and told him he needs a tin foil hat to keep that from happening.
The crazy stories that circulate out there among the gullible.......
A friend from my misspent street racing era now has a company that installs and repairs gravel driveways. He did a great job on mine:
Nice long driveway with a twisty but I have a suggestion. Put in concrete or blacktop and you can do a burn out to get rid of the carbon just before you garage it. Your cars will love you for that.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
@laurasdada ...so very sorry to hear of your Father’s passing. Sincere condolences.
The COVID vaccines are really opening up around my neck of the woods, too. I just became eligible, but since I transported someone who was elderly, they gave mine early. That said, we’re starting to see big venues like County Fairgrounds opening for COVID vaccines....drive through.
Last night I got a text from CVS stating I could set up an appointment to get my vaccine at my convenience.
So yeah, it’s finally kicked into high gear. Most of my friends are either planning to get vaccinated this week, or already have been vaccinated.
NOt really a friend, but an acquaintance said something earlier this week that he wouldn’t get vaccinated because it’s not really a vaccination they’re jabbing you with, but actually a computer chip, so they can track him. I just shook my head and told him he needs a tin foil hat to keep that from happening.
The crazy stories that circulate out there among the gullible.......
Thanks, GG. I've heard the microchip rumor, I believe that it's been noted that it was Bill Gates' plan. "After a few weeks, we've deactivated Laurasdada's tracker chip. He only appears to go to Costco, Burger King and closed car dealer lots. No point in further wasting our time. Now, let's check up on those suspect CCBA members!"
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Another interesting argument against vaccines is aluminum content and the potential risk of neurodegenerative diseases. Eating a processed grilled cheese sandwich is equivalent to about a dozen vaccine injections. Then there are cigarettes, eating frequent shellfish, cooking with aluminum pots etc.
@laurasdada ...so very sorry to hear of your Father’s passing. Sincere condolences.
The COVID vaccines are really opening up around my neck of the woods, too. I just became eligible, but since I transported someone who was elderly, they gave mine early. That said, we’re starting to see big venues like County Fairgrounds opening for COVID vaccines....drive through.
Last night I got a text from CVS stating I could set up an appointment to get my vaccine at my convenience.
So yeah, it’s finally kicked into high gear. Most of my friends are either planning to get vaccinated this week, or already have been vaccinated.
NOt really a friend, but an acquaintance said something earlier this week that he wouldn’t get vaccinated because it’s not really a vaccination they’re jabbing you with, but actually a computer chip, so they can track him. I just shook my head and told him he needs a tin foil hat to keep that from happening.
The crazy stories that circulate out there among the gullible.......
Yep, they’re out there alright. If he really believes that tell him tell him the big box pharmacy’s have a chip killer capsule that can take care of that and it’s been proven to be 100% effective; that’s better than the COVID-19 vaccine. And to think, these folks vote.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
@laurasdada ...so very sorry to hear of your Father’s passing. Sincere condolences.
The COVID vaccines are really opening up around my neck of the woods, too. I just became eligible, but since I transported someone who was elderly, they gave mine early. That said, we’re starting to see big venues like County Fairgrounds opening for COVID vaccines....drive through.
Last night I got a text from CVS stating I could set up an appointment to get my vaccine at my convenience.
So yeah, it’s finally kicked into high gear. Most of my friends are either planning to get vaccinated this week, or already have been vaccinated.
NOt really a friend, but an acquaintance said something earlier this week that he wouldn’t get vaccinated because it’s not really a vaccination they’re jabbing you with, but actually a computer chip, so they can track him. I just shook my head and told him he needs a tin foil hat to keep that from happening.
The crazy stories that circulate out there among the gullible.......
Yes, very stupid to worry about that. Everyone knows we were all chipped years ago.
A friend from my misspent street racing era now has a company that installs and repairs gravel driveways. He did a great job on mine:
Nice long driveway with a twisty but I have a suggestion. Put in concrete or blacktop and you can do a burn out to get rid of the carbon just before you garage it. Your cars will love you for that.
jmonroe
A friend calls the drive my personal rally stage. Still, I've imposed a 15 mph speed limit to keep the drive in good shape. When I was in college I spun my Monte Carlo in the turn seen on the top picture and I wound up in the front yard. Fortunately my parents weren't home so I was able to disguise the damage.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I'm still worried about alar causing cancer in the apples that Meryl Streep told me would cause cancer. I've been eating apples all along. And then there's Ophrah promising everyone they'd get mad cow disease from eating beef. Didn't she lose that lawsuit by the cattle growers?
Some of these folks just do things to get their names in the news or to cover up interest in something else they've done that's wrong--distracting the public.
I'm more likely to die from some exposures to radiation and certain chemicals during my college work. But at 76 it doesn't seem as much of a threat as it used to seem.
Fiancé just got Pfizer #1, drive through clinic at a fairgrounds here in eastern MA. She said very well run, efficient, nice people. It's only been a few hours, no reaction so far. I'm similar to RB and others, I become eligible Monday. I'll get the shot, but I'm not as concerned about it as was my fiancé. Her mother still refuses, her latest excuse not to go to the fairgrounds was that she's seen pictures of people with tattoos jabbing people with needles there. Um, that's how you get the vaccine, a needle is "jabbed" into your arm, no matter the venue... Paranoia, big destryoya... While I lost my father two months ago to Covid, he was 87, smoked for a third of his life and, while mentally very sound, physically he was having issues. Of course, I still wish he hadn't contracted Covid and continued to live a life he was enjoying in LA. I miss sending him updates of the wacky exploits of house hunting and buying. And, talking cars.
Sorry about your dad. Yesterday, we were informed that a member of our crew had passed away over night, some time between answering the text from the boss and showing up for work.He had just gotten the vaccine but didn’t report any bad effects. Made us wonder. Perhaps your mom is reacting to some of the stories of serious reactions.
My wife was reluctant to get it but she changed her mind. The first drug store chain was out of appointments but it was easy to get an appointment close by at another chain. A real contrast from when the state was running things and people had to go to a tent out in a field and wait hours. Similar, I guess to when a hot car comes out and people are fighting to pay ADMs to rude dealers.
Thanks, OF. Perhaps I"m watching the wrong media outlets, but I've heard of no "serious reactions" to the vaccines. Yes, reactions for a day or so after, but that's what I understand is actually the body properly reacting to the spike initiated by the vaccine. Even the AZ vaccine has been cleared of causation in the blood clot reports in Europe.
I'm now scheduled for Moderna #1 tomorrow. And, MIL scheduled for Thursday. Let's see if she actually gets it...
All vaccines have a small set of adverse reactions some of which can be fatal. That’s why the government has a compensation fund for people who die. I doubt that any of the covid vaccines have any bad effects beyond what would normally occur but normal caution is wise. There was the story of boxer Marvin Hagler dying of vaccine complications but that wasn’t confirmed and the story seems to have been scrubbed.
Personally, I have no problem getting the shot. We’re scheduled for next week. I guess I’m a natural contrarian and every time everyone is running in one direction I tend to go the opposite way. I’ll get the vaccination but I’m not going to fight to be the first on my block to do so. Just like I’d never pay an ADM to get a car ahead of everyone else.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Over 500000 have died in the U.S. from Covid, 2.7 million have died in the world so far. How many have died from the vaccine? I don't need to be a gambler to figure out them odds!
@oldfarmer50 Here's what gets me....a 2008 and a 1999 Crown Vic for $5000 miles, or would you rather get a bank loan for an extra $7000 and buy a 2014 C250 with 35000 miles on it (no scratches, no dents, no strange stains, no hand made console)? I think you will usually come out ahead when you spend more.....unless you are very good at choosing low mileage inexpensive cars. The $5000 could be $5000 down the drain completely, the C250 will be worth something for a few years. Just my way of looking at it.....and I have bought my share of cheap cars...a few good ones, a few really bad ones.
Here’s the thing, knowing you and knowing that you don’t abuse your cars, I would pay the extra money to get your well maintained low mile MB. But let’s say I’m driving by jmonroe’s house and I see the same car. I have no idea if he races it or forgets to change the oil. So for him I’d want a car that is less of an investment if it blows up.
Any used car is a crap shoot but a test drive will usually tell you if it has any major problems. Your MB might develop an expensive problem at any time. Paying more is no guarantee of perfection.
I’ve been lucky buying hoopties so far. Sure, they’ve needed various repairs over the years but nothing earth shattering. I bought the cargo van for $1,800 and over the last 5 years I’ve probably put that much into repairs. Worth it? Hmmm? If I paid $3,600 would it have been trouble free? I doubt it.
The bottom line is that there are many folks out there who have no choice. That’s why any car that runs and drives will be worth a few thousand.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
@oldfarmer50 Well stated and I agree. My point was that sometimes people who aren't knowledgeable buy a car based only on the cheapest price, or a very low price....and they don't understand that that car could cost them a lot more in the long run....in fact they could lose the total amount they spent with one major repair.
I see them on Hot Bench, they buy a car for $4 or $5000 "as is", and when it blows up in 2 months they say they were scammed. If they bought the Camry or the C250 it would still be running and would be worth something - now they are $5000 in the hole with nothing to show for it.
@oldfarmer50 Here's what gets me....a 2008 and a 1999 Crown Vic for $5000 miles, or would you rather get a bank loan for an extra $7000 and buy a 2014 C250 with 35000 miles on it (no scratches, no dents, no strange stains, no hand made console)? I think you will usually come out ahead when you spend more.....unless you are very good at choosing low mileage inexpensive cars. The $5000 could be $5000 down the drain completely, the C250 will be worth something for a few years. Just my way of looking at it.....and I have bought my share of cheap cars...a few good ones, a few really bad ones.
I went through this with my nephew a couple years back. he had a crapped out old Passat with 200K miles on it. Different story, but he put way too much money in it already that was down the drain. Anyway, he finally decided to replace it, and we discussed options. He was looking at cheaper stuff (probably that could pay cash for), say $7,000 (winging the numbers at this point!) But, stuff that was maybe 8 YO with 90K miles, and some needs then and likely more soon. Instead, I sent him some links to much newer, lower mile cares for say $14k. Did the math, and showed him that over a longer period (say 6 years) he would come out ahead that way.
Ended up finding him a Jetta that was maybe 2 YO with 20K miles, and some warranty. Required a small loan for a couple of years, but offset by no maintenance or repairs, and getting vastly better MPG than what he had before. pretty sure on a monthly cashflow basis, the new car with loan was cheaper. Then after a few years, he still had a relatively new, lower mile Jetta that was paid off, and should last him a long time.
That’s my formula except that I’ll trade a few extra years for a few less miles. I’ve had good luck buying 10+ yo cars with 20-50k miles.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
A friend from my misspent street racing era now has a company that installs and repairs gravel driveways. He did a great job on mine:
Nice long driveway with a twisty but I have a suggestion. Put in concrete or blacktop and you can do a burn out to get rid of the carbon just before you garage it. Your cars will love you for that.
jmonroe
Boy, I thought I had a long driveway.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
A friend from my misspent street racing era now has a company that installs and repairs gravel driveways. He did a great job on mine:
Nice long driveway with a twisty but I have a suggestion. Put in concrete or blacktop and you can do a burn out to get rid of the carbon just before you garage it. Your cars will love you for that.
jmonroe
A friend calls the drive my personal rally stage. Still, I've imposed a 15 mph speed limit to keep the drive in good shape. When I was in college I spun my Monte Carlo in the turn seen on the top picture and I wound up in the front yard. Fortunately my parents weren't home so I was able to disguise the damage.
I should have known I wouldn’t have been the first to think of something like that.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
@oldfarmer50 Here's what gets me....a 2008 and a 1999 Crown Vic for $5000 miles, or would you rather get a bank loan for an extra $7000 and buy a 2014 C250 with 35000 miles on it (no scratches, no dents, no strange stains, no hand made console)? I think you will usually come out ahead when you spend more.....unless you are very good at choosing low mileage inexpensive cars. The $5000 could be $5000 down the drain completely, the C250 will be worth something for a few years. Just my way of looking at it.....and I have bought my share of cheap cars...a few good ones, a few really bad ones.
Ended up finding him a Jetta that was maybe 2 YO with 20K miles, and some warranty. Required a small loan for a couple of years, but offset by no maintenance or repairs, and getting vastly better MPG than what he had before. pretty sure on a monthly cashflow basis, the new car with loan was cheaper. Then after a few years, he still had a relatively new, lower mile Jetta that was paid off, and should last him a long time.
@explorerx4@28firefighter@tjc78 I probably shouldn't have used the C250 as the alternative....it was just that when I researched it's trade in value as $10000 I was surprised you could potentially buy a car that is like new for that price. I know those old Crown Vics are cheap to fix and pretty much trouble free........but I wouldn't trust buying one unless I knew the story behind it. Paying $5000 for those Crown Vics could be $5000 down the drain. It could be one repair after the other, and not dependable enough to get you to work.
I have had very limited funds before, but if at all possible, I would probably get something like this Sonata from Carvana https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1705052 $11000 36000 miles, clean, a warranty. You should get 5 years out of it.....might cost $1000 more a year to own. Those Crown Vics eventually do breakdown.
I have been there and done that................paying a little more a year for something CAN cost less in the long run.
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
That’s what I did with the kid’s 10’ Fusion 29k miles for $8150. His previous, an 05’ Sable was 11 years old 49k miles for $3500.
As our finances improved so did the price we could pay for a car. Maybe the $2k hooptie buyers are just people on their way up.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
@laurasdada ...so very sorry to hear of your Father’s passing. Sincere condolences.
The COVID vaccines are really opening up around my neck of the woods, too. I just became eligible, but since I transported someone who was elderly, they gave mine early. That said, we’re starting to see big venues like County Fairgrounds opening for COVID vaccines....drive through.
Last night I got a text from CVS stating I could set up an appointment to get my vaccine at my convenience.
So yeah, it’s finally kicked into high gear. Most of my friends are either planning to get vaccinated this week, or already have been vaccinated.
NOt really a friend, but an acquaintance said something earlier this week that he wouldn’t get vaccinated because it’s not really a vaccination they’re jabbing you with, but actually a computer chip, so they can track him. I just shook my head and told him he needs a tin foil hat to keep that from happening.
The crazy stories that circulate out there among the gullible.......
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they AREN’T out to get you.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.
Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000. 2010 Hyundai Sonata Review Pros & Cons Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty. Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character. https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/ I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.
I just parked next to a circa 2010 Sonata at the store and I see a lot of them, particularly Accents around here. I know Hyundais had a bad reputation in the 90s but I understood that they have improved substantially since the early 2000s
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.
Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000. 2010 Hyundai Sonata Review Pros & Cons Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty. Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character. https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/ I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.
Those comments were from when it was new. Don't think it has much warranty these days.
A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.
Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000. 2010 Hyundai Sonata Review Pros & Cons Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty. Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character. https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/ I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.
Those comments were from when it was new. Don't think it has much warranty these days.
A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.
Didn’t one of our posters blow up his Hyundai from lack of oil changes and try to blame it on a typo or something?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
You'd be surprised how many "dumb" doctors are out there..
Yeah and I couldn’t get into med school. Can you believe that? :@
jmonroe
If you can't get into med school then you should go to chiropractor school.
Who wants to go through life being called a quack? The only thing worse would be a used book salesman. My newish next door neighbor is a chiropractor.
jmonroe
A used book salesman huh? Back before I met she who must be obeyed I came across a pretty good used book store a couple of towns over from where I lived at the time. Good selection of good condition used books at very good prices owned by a guy who seemed real nice. I started hanging out there and was friendly with the owner and you can read about him here.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.
Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000. 2010 Hyundai Sonata Review Pros & Cons Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty. Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character. https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/ I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.
Those comments were from when it was new. Don't think it has much warranty these days.
A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.
I knew that but like oldfarmer said, since early 2000s Hyundai had found it's way....in fact some said they were almost equivalent to a Honda, but couldn't charge Honda prices because they didn't have credibility yet...by then they did.
That Sonata is something I would buy. A lot of the depreciation gone out of it but plenty of life left.
I would run, not walk, away from that '10 Sonata. A 12 y-o Hyundai that is now 4 generations old strikes me as a potential nightmare. Those models weren't the greatest cars in the world to begin with and I'd have to think they could become a world of trouble in short order once things start to fail. They have largely vanished from the roads up here.
Our good friends at Edmunds give it 4 1/2 stars......priced from $3000 to $7000. 2010 Hyundai Sonata Review Pros & Cons Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty. Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character. https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/ I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.
Those comments were from when it was new. Don't think it has much warranty these days.
A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.
Didn’t one of our posters blow up his Hyundai from lack of oil changes and try to blame it on a typo or something?
You'd be surprised how many "dumb" doctors are out there..
Yeah and I couldn’t get into med school. Can you believe that? :@
jmonroe
If you can't get into med school then you should go to chiropractor school.
Who wants to go through life being called a quack? The only thing worse would be a used book salesman. My newish next door neighbor is a chiropractor.
jmonroe
A used book salesman huh? Back before I met she who must be obeyed I came across a pretty good used book store a couple of towns over from where I lived at the time. Good selection of good condition used books at very good prices owned by a guy who seemed real nice. I started hanging out there and was friendly with the owner and you can read about him here.
Those stories aren't true, I never robbed any banks and didn't kill anyone....though that guy must have been the most interesting bookstore owner in history. For the record, I didn't sell "used" books, they were new books and it was for a major publisher....one owned by the same company who does Superman and Bugs Bunny.
Got Moderna shot 1 at Gillette Stadium today. Quick and efficient, no side effects yet. As my brother noted, good think Cam Newton wasn't giving the vaccine or the needle would have hit the floor before my arm! Cam'll get 'em next year!
Fiance got Pfizer 1 yesterday, I wonder if we can continue in this mixed relationship?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I never got the previous $600 check even though my wife got hers in the mail. I checked a few days ago on the IRS site and got the “we don’t know” message. Not good.
Friday my wife gets a letter from the IRS telling her that she’s getting the $1200 and it should come in a week. No mention of me so I figure I’m screwed again.
Just now I check my personal account and the IRS put $2800 in there overnight. All for me and nothing for the wife.
I ask you, is this any way to run a railroad?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Comments
The price you paid for your washer bottle will go a long way in a Crown Vic.
You'd have to look in the mirror to see how many snowbirds drive a C250.
I looked up the value of a 2008 C300 with 51k miles 6200/7200.
The 2008 (or even 99) crown vic will cost half that to maintain, will hold up better to a bit of neglect, and probably last longer, realistically...much better for someone who is being cautious about spend. Same driving experience? No.
More money does not always mean better.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Ended up finding him a Jetta that was maybe 2 YO with 20K miles, and some warranty. Required a small loan for a couple of years, but offset by no maintenance or repairs, and getting vastly better MPG than what he had before. pretty sure on a monthly cashflow basis, the new car with loan was cheaper. Then after a few years, he still had a relatively new, lower mile Jetta that was paid off, and should last him a long time.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Like everyone said. Apples to Oranges... a Panther is damn near indestructible and will accept lack of maintenance much better than a Benz. Out of the two that were posted the 08 P71 could most likely go 75k miles more with nothing other than a set of brake pads and tires.
The 99 would most likely need the intake replaced eventually as they were all plastic in those days. Once that was complete same as above
My 04 was at over 100k miles with the original spark plugs, rear brakes, hoses, brake fluid and the battery had finally just went. The only failures on the car in 100K were HVAC related and none were expensive to fix.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
I probably shouldn't have used the C250 as the alternative....it was just that when I researched it's trade in value as $10000 I was surprised you could potentially buy a car that is like new for that price.
I know those old Crown Vics are cheap to fix and pretty much trouble free........but I wouldn't trust buying one unless I knew the story behind it. Paying $5000 for those Crown Vics could be $5000 down the drain. It could be one repair after the other, and not dependable enough to get you to work.
I have had very limited funds before, but if at all possible, I would probably get something like this Sonata from Carvana
https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1705052
$11000 36000 miles, clean, a warranty.
You should get 5 years out of it.....might cost $1000 more a year to own.
Those Crown Vics eventually do breakdown.
I have been there and done that................paying a little more a year for something CAN cost less in the long run.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
The COVID vaccines are really opening up around my neck of the woods, too. I just became eligible, but since I transported someone who was elderly, they gave mine early. That said, we’re starting to see big venues like County Fairgrounds opening for COVID vaccines....drive through.
Last night I got a text from CVS stating I could set up an appointment to get my vaccine at my convenience.
So yeah, it’s finally kicked into high gear. Most of my friends are either planning to get vaccinated this week, or already have been vaccinated.
NOt really a friend, but an acquaintance said something earlier this week that he wouldn’t get vaccinated because it’s not really a vaccination they’re jabbing you with, but actually a computer chip, so they can track him. I just shook my head and told him he needs a tin foil hat to keep that from happening.
The crazy stories that circulate out there among the gullible.......
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
I've heard the microchip rumor, I believe that it's been noted that it was Bill Gates' plan.
"After a few weeks, we've deactivated Laurasdada's tracker chip. He only appears to go to Costco, Burger King and closed car dealer lots. No point in further wasting our time. Now, let's check up on those suspect CCBA members!"
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/aluminum-in-vaccines-vs-food
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
'I probably shouldn't have used the C250 as the alternative.' You should have just stopped there.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
When I was in college I spun my Monte Carlo in the turn seen on the top picture and I wound up in the front yard. Fortunately my parents weren't home so I was able to disguise the damage.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Some of these folks just do things to get their names in the news or to cover up interest in something else they've done that's wrong--distracting the public.
I'm more likely to die from some exposures to radiation and certain chemicals during my college work. But at 76 it doesn't seem as much of a threat as it used to seem.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Personally, I have no problem getting the shot. We’re scheduled for next week. I guess I’m a natural contrarian and every time everyone is running in one direction I tend to go the opposite way. I’ll get the vaccination but I’m not going to fight to be the first on my block to do so. Just like I’d never pay an ADM to get a car ahead of everyone else.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
How many have died from the vaccine?
I don't need to be a gambler to figure out them odds!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Any used car is a crap shoot but a test drive will usually tell you if it has any major problems. Your MB might develop an expensive problem at any time. Paying more is no guarantee of perfection.
I’ve been lucky buying hoopties so far. Sure, they’ve needed various repairs over the years but nothing earth shattering. I bought the cargo van for $1,800 and over the last 5 years I’ve probably put that much into repairs. Worth it? Hmmm? If I paid $3,600 would it have been trouble free? I doubt it.
The bottom line is that there are many folks out there who have no choice. That’s why any car that runs and drives will be worth a few thousand.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Well stated and I agree.
My point was that sometimes people who aren't knowledgeable buy a car based only on the cheapest price, or a very low price....and they don't understand that that car could cost them a lot more in the long run....in fact they could lose the total amount they spent with one major repair.
I see them on Hot Bench, they buy a car for $4 or $5000 "as is", and when it blows up in 2 months they say they were scammed. If they bought the Camry or the C250 it would still be running and would be worth something - now they are $5000 in the hole with nothing to show for it.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
There's no guarantee a used Camry or C250 will 'still be running' for any length of time.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
That’s what I did with the kid’s 10’ Fusion 29k miles for $8150. His previous, an 05’ Sable was 11 years old 49k miles for $3500.
As our finances improved so did the price we could pay for a car. Maybe the $2k hooptie buyers are just people on their way up.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Edmunds Price Checker
Edmunds Lease Calculator
Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and share!
Edmunds Moderator
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
2010 Hyundai Sonata Review
Pros & Cons
Upscale interior, lots of features for the price, lengthy warranty.
Ride can be jittery despite soft suspension, bland overall character.
https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2010/review/
I'd prefer a low mileage Toyota or Honda....but they are almost impossible to find.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
A former co-worker had one while it was still under warranty and it had problems the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I was visiting one of my BIL's today and found this picture blown up to 24x36.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
For the record, I didn't sell "used" books, they were new books and it was for a major publisher....one owned by the same company who does Superman and Bugs Bunny.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
As my brother noted, good think Cam Newton wasn't giving the vaccine or the needle would have hit the floor before my arm!
Cam'll get 'em next year!
Fiance got Pfizer 1 yesterday, I wonder if we can continue in this mixed relationship?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I never got the previous $600 check even though my wife got hers in the mail. I checked a few days ago on the IRS site and got the “we don’t know” message. Not good.
Friday my wife gets a letter from the IRS telling her that she’s getting the $1200 and it should come in a week. No mention of me so I figure I’m screwed again.
Just now I check my personal account and the IRS put $2800 in there overnight. All for me and nothing for the wife.
I ask you, is this any way to run a railroad?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible