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bwia

@fintail said:
Is that pic of a concept or full-on production? I always fear the real world design being dumbed down a notch.

Something very 50s about that side strake, but I don't mind it.

This is the final production version. Somehow, the interior and exterior aesthetics are unremarkable. As they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Perhaps it's time to change my spectacles.

stickguy

I think a lot of places will compromise at split schedule (maybe 2 days/week in the office). Lots of employees should be ok getting some variety. 5 days in, that’s just nasty.

My wife for a while thought she would want to. Now, happy to never go back. Plus, they won’t have assigned desks, just hoteling. She hates that. And at least half her team wouldn’t be there at the same time (more likely 2/3) so really no value in it. Though it would give me an excuse to buy a car!

They haven’t mentioned anything yet so probably not until Q4 if at all anyway. Me, I was permanent WFH prior to pandemic, and that’s never changing.

ab348

fintail said:

Something very 50s about that side strake, but I don't mind it.

That tortured metal pressing on the body side is Hyundai's new design signature. It's been on several recent introductions. Looks overdone to me, but Hyundai has been known to do that sort of thing and then back off on the next refresh.

fintail

Indeed, see the 2011 Sonata, as predicted, didn't age particularly well, and the replacement design was fairly conservative.

ab348 said:

fintail said:

Something very 50s about that side strake, but I don't mind it.

That tortured metal pressing on the body side is Hyundai's new design signature. It's been on several recent introductions. Looks overdone to me, but Hyundai has been known to do that sort of thing and then back off on the next refresh.

fintail

It'd be interesting to have frank discussions with established leadership types about why they want people in the office. I suspect a lot of it comes down to something along the lines of "because I always had to come in, so should everyone else". I am hopeful for a hybrid model, and my director said she'll even press for one if it isn't official, as we are in a small group, and she's not thrilled to be going back, either. I suspect clinging to the old way will create some brain drains and cost some firms competitive advantage.

stickguy said:

I think a lot of places will compromise at split schedule (maybe 2 days/week in the office). Lots of employees should be ok getting some variety. 5 days in, that’s just nasty.

My wife for a while thought she would want to. Now, happy to never go back. Plus, they won’t have assigned desks, just hoteling. She hates that. And at least half her team wouldn’t be there at the same time (more likely 2/3) so really no value in it. Though it would give me an excuse to buy a car!

They haven’t mentioned anything yet so probably not until Q4 if at all anyway. Me, I was permanent WFH prior to pandemic, and that’s never changing.

fintail

I don't hate it . Tallish greenhouse, lack of modern cliches like angry face or faux floating C-pillar etc. The wannabe-edgy side detailing is a bit much, but I'd take it over the usual trend of putting a menacing face on an appliance.

bwia said:

@fintail said:

Is that pic of a concept or full-on production? I always fear the real world design being dumbed down a notch.

Something very 50s about that side strake, but I don't mind it.

This is the final production version. Somehow, the interior and exterior aesthetics are unremarkable. As they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Perhaps it's time to change my spectacles.

explorerx4

My grandson seems to being enjoying his first visit to the beach(Jacksonville FL).

stickguy

I loved going to the beach with the little kids. They always had so much fun. But man, sand filled diapers weighed a ton!

sda

Last week we were informed to expect to report to the office after Sept 7. Giving advance notice so those who have child care and the like can plan. Ugh, not pleased with that turn of events. Hopefully we may be able to WFH a couple of days but no hint that that will be considered.

driver100

Geez, now are little kids wearing their pants below their butts?

*Nice picture, reminds me of the good old days when we could enjoy a beach!

abacomike

@jmonroe1 said:
If there is a guy that can grow his own hoopties I'll bet it's him. Might even been doing it and not telling us.

jmonroe

Maybe they started growing and he knew nothing about it! Sort of like pot farmers decry to DEA when asked if they knew it was growing on their farms! 🤪😜🤓

abacomike

@explorerx4 said:
My grandson seems to being enjoying his first visit to the beach(Jacksonville FL).

The beaches in Duval (Jacksonville) and St. John’s (Ponte Vedra & St. Augustine) counties in northeast Florida are truly beautiful and clean. My brother takes his grandkids to Ponte Vedra Beach when they are down from the northeast which is about 15 miles south of Jacksonville Beach. Pristine! 🤓

jmonroe1

@stickguy said:
I think a lot of places will compromise at split schedule (maybe 2 days/week in the office). Lots of employees should be ok getting some variety. 5 days in, that’s just nasty.

My wife for a while thought she would want to. Now, happy to never go back. Plus, they won’t have assigned desks, just hoteling. She hates that. And at least half her team wouldn’t be there at the same time (more likely 2/3) so really no value in it. Though it would give me an excuse to buy a car!

They haven’t mentioned anything yet so probably not until Q4 if at all anyway. Me, I was permanent WFH prior to pandemic, and that’s never changing.

When I was dong my last 8 years of work as a consultant if I had to guess I’d say there were at best 5 hours that could be done as WFH. The other 3 hours would be times I had to go see something in the shop so someone could then put their hands on something which usually resulted in me rolling up my sleeves and jumping in. No sense in me leaving and having to go back again when another question popped up and I was never very good at just watching someone do something so even though I wasn’t supposed to do that, none of the guys cared about me helping out. The way I looked at it was the more they learned, the better they’d be at their job and eventually they wouldn’t need my help.

Where I was working if you could WFH 100% of the time you could very easily be replaced at the drop of a hat.

When I finally decided to retire for good, the first thing they said to me was maybe you could WFH for a few days then come in for the hands on stuff when you felt it was needed. I declined that offer so I could come in here whenever I felt like it. The pay is terrible but it was way overdue.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

sda said:

Last week we were informed to expect to report to the office after Sept 7. Giving advance notice so those who have child care and the like can plan. Ugh, not pleased with that turn of events. Hopefully we may be able to WFH a couple of days but no hint that that will be considered.

We were told we will be going back in October and it was strongly hinted that it would be split WFH and going in.

bwia

fintail said:

I don't hate it . Tallish greenhouse, lack of modern cliches like angry face or faux floating C-pillar etc. The wannabe-edgy side detailing is a bit much, but I'd take it over the usual trend of putting a menacing face on an appliance.

bwia said:

@fintail said:

Is that pic of a concept or full-on production? I always fear the real world design being dumbed down a notch.

Something very 50s about that side strake, but I don't mind it.

This is the final production version. Somehow, the interior and exterior aesthetics are unremarkable. As they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Perhaps it's time to change my spectacles.

In retrospect the interior and exterior images of the Ioniq 5 are not too bad after all. This video is a little long https://www.evshift.com/117507/2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-interior-features-full-details-futuristic-electric-car/

driver100

For you roofing fans:
We were going to get 2 estimates but the first one worked out so well we went with him. We had 2 dormers that we wanted removed, the cost would be $1600 but he had some guys he wanted to keep busy so if we got the roof done on Friday he would deduct $1000 on the dormer job.
He said the shingles we have now are 20 year shingles that only last 15 years. Only a few giant companies make shingles and they have teams of lawyers to fight you if you try taking them to court.
This fellow takes off all the old shingles, and he uses a hammer and nails to put on the new ones instead of an air gun....which leads to broken shingles and nails not going all the way in.
He said for $350 more he would rather put on much better shingles that are warranted for 50 years which means they should last 20 years...yes you heard right. 20 year ones are expected to last 15 years, 50 year ones for 20 years.....go figure!
Anyway, he has his own garbage trucks to take everything away, he is local, been in business 40 years, no down payment, starts Friday and finishes on Monday.
We cancelled the 2nd estimate...oh, and he just got a notice prices will be going up July 1st!

abacomike

@driver100 said:
For you roofing fans:
We were going to get 2 estimates but the first one worked out so well we went with him. We had 2 dormers that we wanted removed, the cost would be $1600 but he had some guys he wanted to keep busy so if we got the roof done on Friday he would deduct $1000 on the dormer job.
He said the shingles we have now are 20 year shingles that only last 15 years. Only a few giant companies make shingles and they have teams of lawyers to fight you if you try taking them to court.
This fellow takes off all the old shingles, and he uses a hammer and nails to put on the new ones instead of an air gun....which leads to broken shingles and nails not going all the way in.
He said for $350 more he would rather put on much better shingles that are warranted for 50 years which means they should last 20 years...yes you heard right. 20 year ones are expected to last 15 years, 50 year ones for 20 years.....go figure!
Anyway, he has his own garbage trucks to take everything away, he is local, been in business 40 years, no down payment, starts Friday and finishes on Monday.
We cancelled the 2nd estimate...oh, and he just got a notice prices will be going up July 1st!

We’re not roofing fans - we’re driver100 fans! 🤪😜🤓

stickguy

sounds good Driver. That is the type of guy I like to fine, and would also not screw around with it. even if it could cost a few extra $, my comfort level and a quality job is worth it.

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

Hyundai planning 3-month Subscription (try-before-you-buy program) for Ioniq 5 EV.

"Hyundai is planning to launch a try-before-you-buy program to boost sales of the recently-unveiled Ioniq 5.
Essentially, Hyundai is tentatively planning to offer what can be summarized as a short-term lease.

Eligible drivers who are considering buying an Ioniq 5 (pictured above) but aren't sure if they can live with the range and charging limitations of an electric car will be able to spend up to three months in one to try it out. Hyundai will collect payments corresponding to the use of the car, insurance, and what little maintenance is needed on a nearly new EV."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/hyundai-planning-3-month-try-before-you-buy-program-for-ioniq-5-ev/ar-AAKCY2v?ocid=uxbndlbing

That might get me to try an EV. Any buyer’s remorse would be short term.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

It was the farmers plowing up the land 150 years ago that stopped the plagues of those critters. Now that housing developments are the rule you see them making a comeback. Maybe you should get your rototiller out or a mule and plow if you want to be eco friendly.

Strangely enough, I have plowed with a mule. My grandfather had a small truck farm (8 acres), and I grew up next door. Plowing wasn't that bad, as a kid I sort of enjoyed it. You wouldn't want to do it from sunup to sundown, but for a few hours in the spring, not too bad. What I disliked was weeding and grubbing potatoes. Stoop labor sucks.

Talk about learning something new every day in here. I never knew there were farms that grew trucks. Thanks for the info, @oldfarmer50 never told us that.

jmonroe

My farm was what you’d call a truck farm. It’s called that because you put the crops on a truck and sold them elsewhere vs. growing them to feed livestock.

And speaking of stoop labor, I used to call it “tomato yoga” because of the contortions I’d have to go through.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

It was the farmers plowing up the land 150 years ago that stopped the plagues of those critters. Now that housing developments are the rule you see them making a comeback. Maybe you should get your rototiller out or a mule and plow if you want to be eco friendly.

Strangely enough, I have plowed with a mule. My grandfather had a small truck farm (8 acres), and I grew up next door. Plowing wasn't that bad, as a kid I sort of enjoyed it. You wouldn't want to do it from sunup to sundown, but for a few hours in the spring, not too bad. What I disliked was weeding and grubbing potatoes. Stoop labor sucks.

Talk about learning something new every day in here. I never knew there were farms that grew trucks. Thanks for the info, @oldfarmer50 never told us that.

jmonroe

Yes there are farms that grow trucks, here is one truck that is about a month or so from being ripe.

Quick, call @oldfarmer50.

jmonroe

I’ve driven worse.

oldfarmer50

Here’s a question for you legal eagles.

Do stop signs on private property (mall) have the same legal authority as on a public road? That is to say, can police ticket someone who runs a stop sign on mall property? What about someone who runs a stop sign and hits someone?

At the local shopping mall there is a three-way stop intersection. Coming in from the main road has no stop. The trouble is that most people are too dumb to see that and will pull out in front of you nearly causing an accident.

So I’m wondering would running one of these stop signs and hitting another car result in a ticket and damage liability?

henryn

I’ve been working on upgrading the electronics in my new (to me) work truck. I purchased a head unit and SiriusXM tuner from Crutchfield, and a backup camera from Amazon. I started work yesterday afternoon on getting the head unit wired up, and naturally ran into problems. The wire colors for the left side speaker were not as stated in the manual, and that took me an hour to straighten out.

This morning, a dental appointment (cleaning) and running errands held me up, but I got back to the job this afternoon. I was trying to run the wires for the Bluetooth microphone, and my back tightened up on me. I decided to give my back a rest, so I put the dash back together and went to start the truck to make sure everything was kosher. No start, no nothing, 100% dead battery. Not something I wanted to fool with at that time, but there you go.

The battery was an Interstate, usually a good brand, but the last owner bought the cheapest group 65 battery that Interstate makes, only 675 CCA (cold cranking amps). March of 2018, so a little over 3 years old. Group 65 batteries usually come in 650, 750, and 850 CCA. Oreilly’s, Advance, and Autozone are within 2 miles of my house, and all showed a group 65 battery with 850 CCA for $169. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Battery compartment cleaned up, new battery installed, truck starting, 14.5 volts at the battery with the engine running, all is good. And my back feels better. Not great, but better. Sometimes working through a tight back is better than resting. You never know until you try.

I’ve still got to install the Bluetooth microphone, the SiriusXM antenna, and the backup camera. But the head unit is installed and working, and sounds pretty good with the new speakers I installed a few days ago.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Here’s a question for you legal eagles.

Do stop signs on private property (mall) have the same legal authority as on a public road? That is to say, can police ticket someone who runs a stop sign on mall property? What about someone who runs a stop sign and hits someone?

At the local shopping mall there is a three-way stop intersection. Coming in from the main road has no stop. The trouble is that most people are too dumb to see that and will pull out in front of you nearly causing an accident.

So I’m wondering would running one of these stop signs and hitting another car result in a ticket and damage liability?

Generally, it seems stop signs and driving infractions are enforceable on public parking lots....like Costco etc. But they aren't enforceable on private property like in a condo community in Florida. I didn't check all states so there could be exceptions....one exception is where I live....Ontario Canada, they can't enforce the rules on mall parking lots...they are considered private property. In New York State the law is enforceable on store lots...they are considered a public thoroughfare.
This is a good question.....it is a good thing to know.

driver100

If you do get a roof shingled here are some things to consider;
*Remove existing shingled roofing.(makes the new roof fit better and no rotting old shingles)
* To install metal drip edge flashing.
* To install 3ft ice shield eaves protection.
*To install metal valley flashing.(Good quality metal - not flimsy metal that will rust)
*To install 3ft ice shield valley protection.
*To install Timberline HD 50 year shingles hand nailed.(Small extra cost to get much stronger shingles)
*To install Lomanco rodent proof vents.(Cheap plastic vents can be torn off by racoons....cost $1000 or $2000 to remove)
*To install exhaust vents.
*To install plumbing flanges.
* To install metal wall flashing.
*To remove all rubbish resulting from above work.
Ten year guarantee on all workmanship
100% payment on completion

fintail

I don't hate it - at least the trendy tablet isn't as high up as some. I see Hyundai likes two spoke wheels lately.

bwia said:

fintail said:

I don't hate it . Tallish greenhouse, lack of modern cliches like angry face or faux floating C-pillar etc. The wannabe-edgy side detailing is a bit much, but I'd take it over the usual trend of putting a menacing face on an appliance.

bwia said:

@fintail said:

Is that pic of a concept or full-on production? I always fear the real world design being dumbed down a notch.

Something very 50s about that side strake, but I don't mind it.

This is the final production version. Somehow, the interior and exterior aesthetics are unremarkable. As they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Perhaps it's time to change my spectacles.

In retrospect the interior and exterior images of the Ioniq 5 are not too bad after all. This video is a little long https://www.evshift.com/117507/2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-interior-features-full-details-futuristic-electric-car/

cdnpinhead

abacomike said:

We’re not roofing fans - we’re driver100 fans! 🤪😜

Some more than others.

explorerx4

@driver100,
Those Timberline shingles(GAF brand I think) are very popular around here.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
Those Timberline shingles(GAF brand I think) are very popular around here.

The roofing guy explained there are only a few large companies that make shingles. He could choose any supplier but he chose Timberline because although they cost slightly more they hold up better. It looks like Landmark are excellent too....depends on features you are looking for.
He said the asphalt shingles on the roof now are construction grade, supposedly 20 year guaranty but they only last 15 years.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

abacomike said:

We’re not roofing fans - we’re driver100 fans! 🤪😜

Some more than others.

Only people with excellent taste

tjc78

A two door > @explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
Those Timberline shingles(GAF brand I think) are very popular around here.

I had them on our old house. Looked nice and seemed to be holding up well, but it was only a few years.

mjfloyd1

Even creepier - exiting exoskeleton

Maybe qbrozen needs an exoskeleton???

ab348

Could be worse... I was just reading about how places in Florida can suffer an affliction of tree frogs getting on the roof, going down the roof vent for the drains and emerging in your toilet bowl. Could be an unpleasant (if cute-looking) surprise.

graphicguy

In other news…..

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/06/general-motors-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-destination-charges/

bwia

May 2021 Auto Sales Data.

I've been doing a little research for May 2021 auto sales data but unfortunately no monthly information is available for domestic auto makers. What gives? Apparently, only quarterly sales figures for are provided for domestics while foreign makes provide both monthly and quarterly sales data. I know one month worth of data does not a trend make but it would be helpful to people who follow such things.

Anyway, here is a trusted link https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-model/ to the monthly sales data arranged by best sellers and by brand names. Notice that the RAV4 is in first place with the Genesis GV70 at the bottom.

• Model Month Month LY Change
  
• Toyota RAV4 30,018 34,292 -12.46%
  
• Honda CR-V 42,090 29,023 45.02%
  
• Toyota Camry 37,676 19,484 93.37%
  

Toyota Corolla 30,433 16,155 88.38%

stickguy

Mostly a list of companies that kept cranking units out and had chips? And GV70 isn’t actually out yet so hard to count that!

Looks like no numbers for some brands. BMW isn’t even listed at all.

jmonroe1

@mjfloyd1 said:
Even creepier - exiting exoskeleton

Maybe qbrozen needs an exoskeleton???

He needs a hellava lot more than that.

jmonroe

qbrozen

graphicguy said:

In other news…..

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/06/general-motors-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-destination-charges/

i really hope that gets thrown out. Obviously just an attempt at a money grab. If they let that go through, what is next? Dictating how much a manufacturer can charge for options and accessories? Manufacturers should just roll destination into the MSRP because it has always looked like a dumb add-on, IMHO, but suing over it? No. You agreed to pay it when you signed the contract. You can't go back now and say "I didn't want to pay that much." That would just open Pandora's box.

bwia

graphicguy said:

In other news…..
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/06/general-motors-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-destination-charges/

I think we discussed this topic ad nauseam in the recent past. What is else new? The art of making money is to convert cost centers into profit centers. No different from an Amazon Prime subscription, that how big money is made

driver100

@bwia True, and if you complained about the $1200 destination charge they would say $200 of that is for doc fees to get the car on the train....I don't think you can determine the real cost. They'll find a way to hide it somewhere else...if you really hate transportation fees buy a demonstrator or used car.

ab348

@driver100 , that roofing job estimate sounds like a good one. Hope it all works out as promised. I am getting close to the same decision on my little place. I had the roof replaced around 2005 and it is starting to show signs of wear. I thought they did a good job at the time, stripped everything off, replaced a couple of questionable boards, then put ice and water shield on the entire roof before hand-nailing the shingles. The existing drip edge was OK to reuse. The job was fairly small and IIRC it was $3300. I bet it is twice that much now. I had my garage reshingled a couple of years ago and they used these laminated shingles which look nice and I think I would go with similar on the house.

henryn

"ice and water shield" -- is that a fancy name for what we used to call "tar paper"?

cdnpinhead

There's a newer product which is some kind of self-adhesive plastic sheet that's supposed to be better for ice and last longer as well. Maybe that's what they're talking about.

stickguy

Up there you need an ice dam barrier at the edges.

imidazol97

Our roof has a double row of a rubber membrance which is stuck down onto the roof that keeps water from backing up under the shingles and getting through to the deck. It is supposed to seal around nails and IIRC seal if nail is removed. The membrane is required by code here. I saw a house up the road where the whole roof appears to have a membrane.

driver100

ab348 said:

@driver100 , that roofing job estimate sounds like a good one. Hope it all works out as promised. I am getting close to the same decision on my little place. I had the roof replaced around 2005 and it is starting to show signs of wear. I thought they did a good job at the time, stripped everything off, replaced a couple of questionable boards, then put ice and water shield on the entire roof before hand-nailing the shingles. The existing drip edge was OK to reuse. The job was fairly small and IIRC it was $3300. I bet it is twice that much now. I had my garage reshingled a couple of years ago and they used these laminated shingles which look nice and I think I would go with similar on the house.

That roof looks pretty good ab. You are coming up to the 15 year mark and unless it was a more premium roof you are reaching the critical stage. The house we were in about 20 years ago did get water leaking twice under very odd conditions, ice built up around the trough, and it backed up and as it melted the water came into the family room. I doubt if they used ice and water shielding at the time.
It seems that metal valley flashing can vary a lot....the cheap stuff can rust and sometimes they use aluminum which may not look as good as painted flashing which matches the shingles more. Prices seem to double at least every 10 years and building materials have risen a lot over the last 2 years.......so be prepared.
We were supposed to get a second quote today, a good company with 98% rating on Homestars, and I really like having at least 2 quotes. But the first guy seems to do it all right, you could tell he took pride in his business, and he can start tomorrow....and he took $1000 off a $1600 job taking the dormers down if he could put his carpenters to work....and his price was about 33% less than I expected to pay.

driver100

stickguy said:

Up there you need an ice dam barrier at the edges.

Definitely.

henryn

My house is 16 years old, and has been damaged 3 times. Twice a "hip" row was blown off, and once a leak formed around the hot water vent. The first time a hip row came off, I didn't notice, and sustained some damage to the ceiling which had to be repaired.. The second time, I was paying more attention and had the roof patched up right away. The hot water heater is in the garage, and I didn't notice the leak from around the vent until a stain appeared on the ceiling. Being in the garage, I didn't bother to have the stain repaired, just had the vent sealed up on top.

But it is time to get a new roof, so I'm following the discussion here carefully. My neighbor had her roof replaced about 6 months ago, very similar house, built the same time as mine by the same builder. Her roof ran about $7k, so I would expect to pay around that amount.

jmonroe1

@cdnpinhead said:
There's a newer product which is some kind of self-adhesive plastic sheet that's supposed to be better for ice and last longer as well. Maybe that's what they're talking about.

That’s exactly what it is and any roofer today that installs a roof where you get snow and says you don’t need the ice shield product because tar paper is just as good should be avoided. Tar paper is OK where you don’t have freeze and thaw conditions but where have those conditions you BETTER use the ice shield product.

As for hand nailing shingles I can’t believe a roofer would prefer hand nailing to using a pneumatic nailer. Talk about work for the sake of work that would be it. When I had my roof replaced 2 years ago I joked with a few of the installers about cheating because they used pneumatic nailers vs. hand nailing and there response was, “those days are LONG GONE”. One even said he’d quit if he had to hand nail shingles today and I don’t blame him. That would be akin to a house framer today not using a pneumatic framing nailer. Hell, I wouldn’t even attempt helping my son do flipping if we didn’t have an assortment of pneumatic nailers both framing and trim. Yep, those days are LONG GONE.

jmonroe

explorerx4

The streets around us were built up to 4 years before our house and the last year or so, just about all the roofs have been stripped and reshingled.
They put on a base, looks similar to Tyvek, that covers the whole roof before shingling it.
On my street, only one house has had the roof replaced.