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henryn

Well, here in Houston we very seldom have freezing or snow. Although earlier this year we did have the "Great Freeze", which you probably read about. When they did the roof next door about 6 months ago, they used tar paper.

I expect our Florida members, abacomike, sandman, and others are in the same situation, no ice shield.

About 5 years back, I had a storage building built in my back yard. The crew doing the install were real go-getters, finishing the job in about 5 hours total. They used nail guns, of course, and overdid the nailing. Which hurt absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. My only complaint was the really cheap roofing shingles, which only lasted about 2 years.

And the crew which just did the roof next doors definitely used nail guns. They were very quick and efficient, only took a little over one day for the entire job, including cleanup.

venture

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

@driver100 , that roofing job estimate sounds like a good one. Hope it all works out as promised. I am getting close to the same decision on my little place. I had the roof replaced around 2005 and it is starting to show signs of wear. I thought they did a good job at the time, stripped everything off, replaced a couple of questionable boards, then put ice and water shield on the entire roof before hand-nailing the shingles. The existing drip edge was OK to reuse. The job was fairly small and IIRC it was $3300. I bet it is twice that much now. I had my garage reshingled a couple of years ago and they used these laminated shingles which look nice and I think I would go with similar on the house.

That roof looks pretty good ab. You are coming up to the 15 year mark and unless it was a more premium roof you are reaching the critical stage. The house we were in about 20 years ago did get water leaking twice under very odd conditions, ice built up around the trough, and it backed up and as it melted the water came into the family room. I doubt if they used ice and water shielding at the time.
It seems that metal valley flashing can vary a lot....the cheap stuff can rust and sometimes they use aluminum which may not look as good as painted flashing which matches the shingles more. Prices seem to double at least every 10 years and building materials have risen a lot over the last 2 years.......so be prepared.
We were supposed to get a second quote today, a good company with 98% rating on Homestars, and I really like having at least 2 quotes. But the first guy seems to do it all right, you could tell he took pride in his business, and he can start tomorrow....and he took $1000 off a $1600 job taking the dormers down if he could put his carpenters to work....and his price was about 33% less than I expected to pay.

At one time you didn't have to worry about valley flashing. A good roofer would weave the shingles going from one slope to the other. You hardly ever see that any more, but if you look while driving around, you will see one every so often.

Also - if you can see the metal flashing in the valleys after they are done, they didn't do it right - even by todays standards.

Jmonroe is right as usual. Why would anyone want to hand nail shingles?

jmonroe1

@henryn said:
Well, here in Houston we very seldom have freezing or snow. Although earlier this year we did have the "Great Freeze", which you probably read about. When they did the roof next door about 6 months ago, they used tar paper.

I expect our Florida members, abacomike, sandman, and others are in the same situation, no ice shield.

About 5 years back, I had a storage building built in my back yard. The crew doing the install were real go-getters, finishing the job in about 5 hours total. They used nail guns, of course, and overdid the nailing. Which hurt absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. My only complaint was the really cheap roofing shingles, which only lasted about 2 years.

And the crew which just did the roof next doors definitely used nail guns. They were very quick and efficient, only took a little over one day for the entire job, including cleanup.

I never heard of shingles that only lasted 2 years. In my hood every one seams to use the Owens Corning architectural product not the cheapo brand that @driver100 is getting that is hand nailed.

As for roofs in Florida, they don’t use asphalt products down there if they want the roof to last. Tile is the only way to go down there and Arizona too.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@cdnpinhead said:

There's a newer product which is some kind of self-adhesive plastic sheet that's supposed to be better for ice and last longer as well. Maybe that's what they're talking about.

That’s exactly what it is and any roofer today that installs a roof where you get snow and says you don’t need the ice shield product because tar paper is just as good should be avoided. Tar paper is OK where you don’t have freeze and thaw conditions but where have those conditions you BETTER use the ice shield product.

As for hand nailing shingles I can’t believe a roofer would prefer hand nailing to using a pneumatic nailer. Talk about work for the sake of work that would be it. When I had my roof replaced 2 years ago I joked with a few of the installers about cheating because they used pneumatic nailers vs. hand nailing and there response was, “those days are LONG GONE”. One even said he’d quit if he had to hand nail shingles today and I don’t blame him. That would be akin to a house framer today not using a pneumatic framing nailer. Hell, I wouldn’t even attempt helping my son do flipping if we didn’t have an assortment of pneumatic nailers both framing and trim. Yep, those days are LONG GONE.

jmonroe

Some people say air nailing and hand nailing are the same. They aren't and there are several reasons why hand nailing is preferred if the guy installing has the experience and does it properly. Almost anyone can use an air nailer, but only a skilled craftsman is going to do hand nailing, and he can hit the right spot, and nail it to perfection....not overdoing it or under doing it. If you read the article you will see why hand nailing is better....and I will list only a few reasons in case you want the short version.
https://www.billraganroofing.com/blog/hand-nailing-vs-air-gun-which-is-best
*Warranty will be voided if the nails aren't put in properly. More misses with an air gun. A person using an air gun can certainly place the nail correctly, but finding a company with a history of high-quality installation with air guns can be hard.
*The key difference between the two is accuracy. A good nailer puts the nail in the right position, and will put the nail in at the right level....not too far and not far enough. That is a big reason a for failed roof job.
*It's very uncommon to have nails that have been over-driven when hand nailing simply because they don't have the pressure from the compressor like the air guns do.
*Air pressure is regulated by an air compressor which remains on the ground. The pressure has to be changed depending on where the work is being done....most roofers won't want to keep changing the pressure.
*An air gun crew will nail a shingle on in a split second with little to no care of their nail placements, sacrificing quality for speed. More than 60% of all roof repairs are due to shingles being improperly air nailed on
*The biggest mistake with nailing is not putting a nail in far enough and the shingle will get blown up and away....and the manufacturer won't warranty a shingle not nailed properly.
Hand nailing is like driving....you have the feel of the nail....better chance of placing it properly and hammering it to the right depth.

henryn

jmonroe1 said:

@henryn said:

Well, here in Houston we very seldom have freezing or snow. Although earlier this year we did have the "Great Freeze", which you probably read about. When they did the roof next door about 6 months ago, they used tar paper.

I expect our Florida members, abacomike, sandman, and others are in the same situation, no ice shield.

About 5 years back, I had a storage building built in my back yard. The crew doing the install were real go-getters, finishing the job in about 5 hours total. They used nail guns, of course, and overdid the nailing. Which hurt absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. My only complaint was the really cheap roofing shingles, which only lasted about 2 years.

And the crew which just did the roof next doors definitely used nail guns. They were very quick and efficient, only took a little over one day for the entire job, including cleanup.

I never heard of shingles that only lasted 2 years. In my hood every one seams to use the Owens Corning architectural product not the cheapo brand that @driver100 is getting that is hand nailed.

As for roofs in Florida, they don’t use asphalt products down there if they want the roof to last. Tile is the only way to go down there and Arizona too.

jmonroe

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Owens Corning is the primary brand around here as well. That is what I purchased at Home Depot when I replaced the roof on that shed. Well, I didn't do the work personally. I purchased the shingles, and paid a handyman $250 to do the actual work.

Why don't they use asphalt shingles in Florida? To the best of my knowledge, it isn't really much hotter or more intense sunshine in Florida compared to where I am in Texas. And tile roofs are pretty rare in these parts. With that said, Tile Roofs Of Texas (possibly the biggest tile roof installer in Houston) is located about 4 blocks from my house.

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
Some people say air nailing and hand nailing are the same. They aren't and there are several reasons why hand nailing is preferred if the guy installing has the experience and does it properly. Almost anyone can use an air nailer, but only a skilled craftsman is going to do hand nailing, and he can hit the right spot, and nail it to perfection....not overdoing it or under doing it. If you read the article you will see why hand nailing is better....and I will list only a few reasons in case you want the short version.
https://www.billraganroofing.com/blog/hand-nailing-vs-air-gun-which-is-best
*Warranty will be voided if the nails aren't put in properly. More misses with an air gun. A person using an air gun can certainly place the nail correctly, but finding a company with a history of high-quality installation with air guns can be hard.
*The key difference between the two is accuracy. A good nailer puts the nail in the right position, and will put the nail in at the right level....not too far and not far enough. That is a big reason a for failed roof job.
*It's very uncommon to have nails that have been over-driven when hand nailing simply because they don't have the pressure from the compressor like the air guns do.
*Air pressure is regulated by an air compressor which remains on the ground. The pressure has to be changed depending on where the work is being done....most roofers won't want to keep changing the pressure.
*An air gun crew will nail a shingle on in a split second with little to no care of their nail placements, sacrificing quality for speed. More than 60% of all roof repairs are due to shingles being improperly air nailed on
*The biggest mistake with nailing is not putting a nail in far enough and the shingle will get blown up and away....and the manufacturer won't warranty a shingle not nailed properly.
Hand nailing is like driving....you have the feel of the nail....better chance of placing it properly and hammering it to the right depth.

I knew you’d find something on the internet to support why hand nailing is best. If you want to believe that go for it.

FWIW, air compressors have regulators to maintain the pressure so you don’t have to climb down to the ground constantly to adjust the air pressure like your link would have us believe. Keep going to the internet for support if that makes you feel good. I’ll go with real world experience any day rather than book learning for everything.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@henryn said:
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Owens Corning is the primary brand around here as well. That is what I purchased at Home Depot when I replaced the roof on that shed. Well, I didn't do the work personally. I purchased the shingles, and paid a handyman $250 to do the actual work.

Why don't they use asphalt shingles in Florida? To the best of my knowledge, it isn't really much hotter or more intense sunshine in Florida compared to where I am in Texas. And tile roofs are pretty rare in these parts. With that said, Tile Roofs Of Texas (possibly the biggest tile roof installer in Houston) is located about 4 blocks from my house.

To answer your question about asphalt roofs in Florida it has to be because of the intense heat from the sun. I don’t know how intense the heat is from the sun in Houston but it must not be equal to Florida otherwise you’d probably see more tile roofs in Houston.

What I have noticed from my many trips to South Florida is the only homes that have asphalt roofs are mobile homes and what appears to be inexpensive stand alone homes where if they installed a tile roof it would cost more than the house itself and I’m not exaggerating when I say that so of course they don’t go the tile route on those houses.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@henryn said:

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Owens Corning is the primary brand around here as well. That is what I purchased at Home Depot when I replaced the roof on that shed. Well, I didn't do the work personally. I purchased the shingles, and paid a handyman $250 to do the actual work.

Why don't they use asphalt shingles in Florida? To the best of my knowledge, it isn't really much hotter or more intense sunshine in Florida compared to where I am in Texas. And tile roofs are pretty rare in these parts. With that said, Tile Roofs Of Texas (possibly the biggest tile roof installer in Houston) is located about 4 blocks from my house.

To answer your question about asphalt roofs in Florida it has to be because of the intense heat from the sun. I don’t know how intense the heat is from the sun in Houston but it must not be equal to Florida otherwise you’d probably see more tile roofs in Houston.

What I have noticed from my many trips to South Florida is the only homes that have asphalt roofs are mobile homes and what appears to be inexpensive stand alone homes where if they installed a tile roof it would cost more than the house itself and I’m not exaggerating when I say that so of course they don’t go the tile route on those houses.

jmonroe

We have asphalt shingles on our Florida home as do many other homes....probably most homes. They may not be the best but there is nothing wrong with them....they are the least expensive but worth it. If you want protection for 130 mph winds and longer life but for a much higher price go with Corning....probably a better buy if you are under 40 years old.
As far as my research I guess it is just a conspiracy theory that the old fashioned craftsman say hand hammering gives better results than an air gun that anyone can use......but then again there are people appreciate a car with great engineering, attention to details and true craftsmanship etc., and then there are people who settle for the wannabe....and think it is just as good.

venture

jmonroe1 said:

@henryn said:

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Owens Corning is the primary brand around here as well. That is what I purchased at Home Depot when I replaced the roof on that shed. Well, I didn't do the work personally. I purchased the shingles, and paid a handyman $250 to do the actual work.

Why don't they use asphalt shingles in Florida? To the best of my knowledge, it isn't really much hotter or more intense sunshine in Florida compared to where I am in Texas. And tile roofs are pretty rare in these parts. With that said, Tile Roofs Of Texas (possibly the biggest tile roof installer in Houston) is located about 4 blocks from my house.

To answer your question about asphalt roofs in Florida it has to be because of the intense heat from the sun. I don’t know how intense the heat is from the sun in Houston but it must not be equal to Florida otherwise you’d probably see more tile roofs in Houston.

What I have noticed from my many trips to South Florida is the only homes that have asphalt roofs are mobile homes and what appears to be inexpensive stand alone homes where if they installed a tile roof it would cost more than the house itself and I’m not exaggerating when I say that so of course they don’t go the tile route on those houses.

jmonroe

You are falling into the trap.

driver100

venture said:

jmonroe1 said:

@henryn said:

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Owens Corning is the primary brand around here as well. That is what I purchased at Home Depot when I replaced the roof on that shed. Well, I didn't do the work personally. I purchased the shingles, and paid a handyman $250 to do the actual work.

Why don't they use asphalt shingles in Florida? To the best of my knowledge, it isn't really much hotter or more intense sunshine in Florida compared to where I am in Texas. And tile roofs are pretty rare in these parts. With that said, Tile Roofs Of Texas (possibly the biggest tile roof installer in Houston) is located about 4 blocks from my house.

To answer your question about asphalt roofs in Florida it has to be because of the intense heat from the sun. I don’t know how intense the heat is from the sun in Houston but it must not be equal to Florida otherwise you’d probably see more tile roofs in Houston.

What I have noticed from my many trips to South Florida is the only homes that have asphalt roofs are mobile homes and what appears to be inexpensive stand alone homes where if they installed a tile roof it would cost more than the house itself and I’m not exaggerating when I say that so of course they don’t go the tile route on those houses.

jmonroe

You are falling into the trap.

More like the rabbit hole:
Shingle roofing materials. By far, the most common type of roof material used in South Florida is the standard three-tab asphalt shingle. This is a very affordable option for most homeowners.
https://www.wflx.com/story/13876467/most-common-roof-types/

jmonroe1

venture said:

jmonroe1 said:

@henryn said:

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Owens Corning is the primary brand around here as well. That is what I purchased at Home Depot when I replaced the roof on that shed. Well, I didn't do the work personally. I purchased the shingles, and paid a handyman $250 to do the actual work.

Why don't they use asphalt shingles in Florida? To the best of my knowledge, it isn't really much hotter or more intense sunshine in Florida compared to where I am in Texas. And tile roofs are pretty rare in these parts. With that said, Tile Roofs Of Texas (possibly the biggest tile roof installer in Houston) is located about 4 blocks from my house.

To answer your question about asphalt roofs in Florida it has to be because of the intense heat from the sun. I don’t know how intense the heat is from the sun in Houston but it must not be equal to Florida otherwise you’d probably see more tile roofs in Houston.

What I have noticed from my many trips to South Florida is the only homes that have asphalt roofs are mobile homes and what appears to be inexpensive stand alone homes where if they installed a tile roof it would cost more than the house itself and I’m not exaggerating when I say that so of course they don’t go the tile route on those houses.

jmonroe

You are falling into the trap.

I looked up "trap" on the internet and saw a mouse in one. I better not go researching there again. Might ruin another day.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

@jmonroe1 said:
I looked up "trap" on the internet and saw a mouse in one. I better not go researching there again. Might ruin another day.

jmonroe

I looked up trap and found this;

ronsteve

@jmonroe1 said:

@henryn said:
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Owens Corning is the primary brand around here as well. That is what I purchased at Home Depot when I replaced the roof on that shed. Well, I didn't do the work personally. I purchased the shingles, and paid a handyman $250 to do the actual work.

Why don't they use asphalt shingles in Florida? To the best of my knowledge, it isn't really much hotter or more intense sunshine in Florida compared to where I am in Texas. And tile roofs are pretty rare in these parts. With that said, Tile Roofs Of Texas (possibly the biggest tile roof installer in Houston) is located about 4 blocks from my house.

To answer your question about asphalt roofs in Florida it has to be because of the intense heat from the sun. I don’t know how intense the heat is from the sun in Houston but it must not be equal to Florida otherwise you’d probably see more tile roofs in Houston.

What I have noticed from my many trips to South Florida is the only homes that have asphalt roofs are mobile homes and what appears to be inexpensive stand alone homes where if they installed a tile roof it would cost more than the house itself and I’m not exaggerating when I say that so of course they don’t go the tile route on those houses.

jmonroe

Houston is about the same latitude as St Augustine. Sea breeze influences will limit the temperatures in much of Florida, but even down to Orlando it can get at least as hot as Houston.

henryn

It rained again here today, it's been raining for around 6 hours now. And I am getting rather tired of it. But I got a fair amount done. Mowed the yard before the rain started (barely), and then worked some more on the electronics for the truck. The SiriusXM antenna is installed, and the satellite radio is activated and functioning. They gave me a good deal with no fight this time, $6.48 per month all in. Just in case you think they might have turned over a new leaf, not a chance. It automatically renews in 12 months at about $16 per month, so I will have to mark this down on the calendar, call, and threaten to cancel.

And the microphone for the bluetooth is installed, tested and working well. Which leaves only the backup camera to install. I was originally thinking I would just keep this as basic truck, a work truck. I am going to leave the steel wheels alone, they're plenty good enough for a work truck. But I decided I really needed bluetooth and a backup camera as basic safety features, so I threw in SiriusXM while I was at it.

driver100

One thing I wanted to add about hand nailing and air nailing......air nailing is fine and I would have no problem with it if the roofer has a good reputation. In fact, it may become impossible to find hand nail guys in the future. From what I have read and heard hand nailing brings a little more skill to the job, but the guy has to be good. If the hand nailing guy had a bad night or too many drinks the night before, then the air guy might do a better job.

abacomike

During the months of June-October roofs here in south Florida have to sustain air temperatures in the mid 90’s and surface temperatures exposed to direct sunlight in the 110-150+ degree range at least 8 hours every day with evening temperatures in the 80’s. That is why clay and composite roof tiles are the preferred shingles for single family homes and townhomes or duplexes. Asphalt and other pliable nailed shingles do not tend to last as long due to the extreme surface temperatures.

When I lived in Palm Desert CA, I do not remember seeing asphalt or other pliable roof shingles on homes - just clay and composite roof shingles (masonry). Again, due to the extreme temperatures in the 105-120+ degree range and significantly higher temperatures on surfaces in direct sunlight.

Masonry roofs are much more costly than other shingled roofs which is why we are seeing more asphalt type shingles being used. But in the long run masonry roofs are the preferred roof shingles in this climate.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

One thing I wanted to add about hand nailing and air nailing......air nailing is fine and I would have no problem with it if the roofer has a good reputation. In fact, it may become impossible to find hand nail guys in the future. From what I have read and heard hand nailing brings a little more skill to the job, but the guy has to be good. If the hand nailing guy had a bad night or too many drinks the night before, then the air guy might do a better job.

I always hand nailed when I did roofing. Although when it came to replacing the original roof on my house I used my finger.....and called the guy. I was up on the second story with a pruning saw trimming branches the other day and I realized installing shingles up there was not for me any more. Funny how when I was 30 I was invulnerable but now I’ve lost the ability to take a 20 foot fall.

I wonder if I was exposed to kryptonite.

ab348

Two of "the guys" I used to use for home stuff beyond my desire or capability to do myself took dives off a roof. It basically put guy #1 out of commission for a couple of years and almost made guy #2 into a paraplegic. He is now walking again but is very limited in what he can do. Needless to say neither of them goes up on roofs any more.

stickguy

I don’t like ladders much, and draw the line on ever going on the roof. Especially this house. 2 story, 9’ ceilings, and pretty steep (colonial) pitch.

driver100

You do things when you are in your 30s you wouldn't and shouldn't do when you are 60+. When you know you only have a limited number of years left you want to be able to enjoy them as much as possible.
I have a neighbor who was fixing his eves troughs when he was in his late 60s. He fell off the ladder....from the 2nd story and he has had to use a walker ever since...about 10 years now. You can't take that moment of foolishness back.........be safe.

driver100

@abacomike No doubt, most of the more expensive homes in Florida will install upgraded roofing. For average homes owners it is a big leap in cost, asphalt will get the job done and it should be fine for 10 to maybe 15 years (We just got a new asphalt roof in Florida...it was 14 years old when replaced). The age of the home owner is a factor too, if I was 40 or under I would consider a 50 year metal shingle roof, but at my age I don't need a roof that is guaranteed for 50 years and I don't want to pay 3X as much for it.

bwia

In the Caribbean, the most common type of roofing material is corrugated galvanized steel coated with zinc. The zinc coating reduces rust but in tropical storms and hurricanes metal roofs tend to fly off rather easily. This is due in part to the tendency of roofing nails to rust when they encounter sea blast or not properly applied to the roof decking. The real benefits of galvanized metal roofing is their low cost. I'm surprised it not more commonly used in the more temperate climates of North America.

abacomike

The masonry roofs are much heavier and work best when heavy-duty rafters and concrete or concrete block walls are employed for adequate strength. In heavy winds such as those produced by hurricanes, masonry roofs tend to withstand the winds better. It’s the soft-shingled roofs that sustain the most damage.

My brother’s house is all masonry shingles and concrete block walls and heavy-duty wood rafters. The newer houses being built in his development are not constructed with concrete block walls - they use wood instead which does not afford the same protection during hurricanes.

andres3

I found an auto shop in Escondido perfect for everyone here:
I Got A Guy Automotive
5.0
36 Google reviews
Auto repair shop in Escondido, California
Address: 1210 Industrial Ave, Escondido, CA 92029

Speaking of the "guy" I hired one today to do a full detail on the red S4 at 1:30 PST. I've used him before and he does a good job using old fashioned good ol' wax instead of the new techie stuff people use today.
Price went up about $20 since pre-COVID. I'll post pics of the $140 full detail job later. '

It took a while to book this "guy" so that's a good sign that he's being kept busy.

snakeweasel

@andres3 said:
I found an auto shop in Escondido perfect for everyone here:
I Got A Guy Automotive
5.0
36 Google reviews
Auto repair shop in Escondido, California
Address: 1210 Industrial Ave, Escondido, CA 92029

Speaking of the "guy" I hired one today to do a full detail on the red S4 at 1:30 PST. I've used him before and he does a good job using old fashioned good ol' wax instead of the new techie stuff people use today.
Price went up about $20 since pre-COVID. I'll post pics of the $140 full detail job later. '

It took a while to book this "guy" so that's a good sign that he's being kept busy.

Perfect for everyone here? OK if you say so, I'm a 30 hour drive away so I'm not sure how perfect it is for me.

ab348

bwia said:

In the Caribbean, the most common type of roofing material is corrugated galvanized steel coated with zinc. The zinc coating reduces rust but in tropical storms and hurricanes metal roofs tend to fly off rather easily. This is due in part to the tendency of roofing nails to rust when they encounter sea blast or not properly applied to the roof decking. The real benefits of galvanized metal roofing is their low cost. I'm surprised it not more commonly used in the more temperate climates of North America.

Metal roofs have become quite popular here in recent years. They are not the silver-galvanized look that metal barn roofs were but instead come in a wide variety of colors. My next-door neighbor had hers done a couple of years back at about $7K for the same size as my house. They install strapping over the old asphalt shingle roof, then attach the panels to the strapping. Everything is screwed down, not nailed.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

@andres3 said:

I found an auto shop in Escondido perfect for everyone here:

I Got A Guy Automotive

5.0

36 Google reviews

Auto repair shop in Escondido, California

Address: 1210 Industrial Ave, Escondido, CA 92029

Speaking of the "guy" I hired one today to do a full detail on the red S4 at 1:30 PST. I've used him before and he does a good job using old fashioned good ol' wax instead of the new techie stuff people use today.

Price went up about $20 since pre-COVID. I'll post pics of the $140 full detail job later. '

It took a while to book this "guy" so that's a good sign that he's being kept busy.

Perfect for everyone here? OK if you say so, I'm a 30 hour drive away so I'm not sure how perfect it is for me.

Escondido has some very fine restaurants to make it worth your while. Plus, check out the 5.0 Google review rating. Google never lies.

stickguy

I’ve seen it done on garages in Vermont. Looks nice.

And yes my life is boring enough that I watch videos of a guy building garages in Vermont. At least I learn a lot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn68Acz9UQE

andres3

henryn said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

well, the science clearly says get the vaccine too. So if everybody did that there really would not be any question about the masks.

Humanity might be doomed to only be as good as its weakest link.

I really hope you didn't mean that the way it sounded. Really.

Ok, what did it sound like?

andres3

ab348 said:

andres3 said:

I joined this forum on Edmunds just a couple of months before purchasing my '06 Audi A3 in Ocean Blue Pearl w/ Sport Package w/ DSG.
The first time I need to get a surgery, it seems it's taking 1/2 year to get it. I got bumped since my procedure apparently isn't important enough. Does anyone find it odd that they can blame COVID for not offering better service and appointment time frames, yet don't return any premiums? They can't really blame Covid since March of this year though. How many months of additional premiums must you submit before you can actually collect an "insurance" benefit in health. SHEESHH. Do you know how much my employer and I contribute over the course of 6 months. Based on that huge dollar amount, I'd say it's unreasonable for Kaiser to have kept me waiting this long.

To that all I can say is, don't ever move to Canada. It is like what you described, but to the nth power.

Really? So your saying waiting years is normal in Canada for a surgery? I'm curious how many dollars per patient it costs in Canada vs. the US. I have a feeling we "pay more" in the US. But do we get more?

bwia

stickguy said:

I’ve seen it done on garages in Vermont. Looks nice.
And yes my life is boring enough that I watch videos of a guy building garages in Vermont. At least I learn a lot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn68Acz9UQE

Very nice galvanized roof, but as @ab348 said the metal roofs come in different primary colors, except black. I also like the sound of the rain on a metal roof, it can make for a very romantic evening, if you are so inclined.

driver100

bwia said:

stickguy said:

I’ve seen it done on garages in Vermont. Looks nice.
And yes my life is boring enough that I watch videos of a guy building garages in Vermont. At least I learn a lot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn68Acz9UQE

I also like the sound of the rain on a metal roof, it can make for a very romantic evening, if you are so inclined.

Depends on who I am with

driver100

The guys are hammering away....since 7 a.m. Trixie is taking it pretty good so far, her ears keep going up when there are noises but that's it. They have a conveyer belt to get the shingles from the truck up to the roof.

snakeweasel

@andres3 said:
Escondido has some very fine restaurants to make it worth your while. Plus, check out the 5.0 Google review rating. Google never lies.

We have some very fine restaurants here too. So I can save myself a lot of time by staying local.

kyfdx

snakeweasel said:

@andres3 said:

Escondido has some very fine restaurants to make it worth your while. Plus, check out the 5.0 Google review rating. Google never lies.

We have some very fine restaurants here too. So I can save myself a lot of time by staying local.

Stone Brewing is located in Escondido. They have an amazing restaurant and grounds.
Wouldn't drive 30 hours for it, though....

henryn

I wasn’t sure how to talk about this, without getting into trouble with the moderators. So I will just proceed directly and try to use medical / scientific terminology. I have been on medicine for high blood pressure for more than 3 years (Losartin, Coreg). One of the common side effects is sexual dysfunction in males. I talked to my cardiologist and asked if it were safe for me to use Viagra. She much preferred a daily dose of Cialis (tadalafil), stating that it has some beneficial side effects as well. Those beneficial side effects include helping with the effects of an enlarged prostrate.

Unfortunately, it seems that almost no insurance will cover a prescription for Cialis. And without insurance, a 3-month supply is $791. Looking around, I found a site in India which sells these drugs by mail. I was able to purchase 120 pills, 20 mg, for $197. That included shipping from India and an international money transfer fee. The most common daily dose of Cialis is 5 mg, which was what my cardiologist prescribed. Taking the one hundred twenty 20 mg pills, cutting them twice with a pill cutter, gives me 480 daily doses of 5 mg each.

My apologies if this breaks any rules, or offends anyone. My intent was to help anyone in a similar situation.

snakeweasel

@andres3 said:
Really? So your saying waiting years is normal in Canada for a surgery? I'm curious how many dollars per patient it costs in Canada vs. the US. I have a feeling we "pay more" in the US. But do we get more?

One of the biggest complaints of "Socialized Medicine" is wait times. The wait times for many specialists or procedures cam be years. One thing is they have to keep costs down and that mean rationing health care. Sure we pay more for Healthcare but we have nowhere near the wait times that some countries have.

henryn

When I get ready to do my roof (which will probably be pretty soon), I am definitely going to compare the costs of metal vs asphalt shingles. A quick online search found some very different information, some saying the costs for a metal roof were 2 to 3 times as expensive as asphalt shingles, and others saying the costs were similar.

driver100

kyfdx said:

snakeweasel said:

@andres3 said:

Escondido has some very fine restaurants to make it worth your while. Plus, check out the 5.0 Google review rating. Google never lies.

We have some very fine restaurants here too. So I can save myself a lot of time by staying local.

Stone Brewing is located in Escondido. They have an amazing restaurant and grounds.
Wouldn't drive 30 hours for it, though....

I'd go if it was only 30 hours driving time but for me it would be 38 hours....just over my limit.

snakeweasel

@henryn said:
I wasn’t sure how to talk about this, without getting into trouble with the moderators. So I will just proceed directly and try to use medical / scientific terminology. I have been on medicine for high blood pressure for more than 3 years (Losartin, Coreg). One of the common side effects is sexual dysfunction in males. I talked to my cardiologist and asked if it were safe for me to use Viagra. She much preferred a daily dose of Cialis (tadalafil), stating that it has some beneficial side effects as well. Those beneficial side effects include helping with the effects of an enlarged prostrate.

Unfortunately, it seems that almost no insurance will cover a prescription for Cialis. And without insurance, a 3-month supply is $791. Looking around, I found a site in India which sells these drugs by mail. I was able to purchase 120 pills, 20 mg, for $197. That included shipping from India and an international money transfer fee. The most common daily dose of Cialis is 5 mg, which was what my cardiologist prescribed. Taking the one hundred twenty 20 mg pills, cutting them twice with a pill cutter, gives me 480 daily doses of 5 mg each.

My apologies if this breaks any rules, or offends anyone. My intent was to help anyone in a similar situation.

Check your PM.

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
One thing I wanted to add about hand nailing and air nailing......air nailing is fine and I would have no problem with it if the roofer has a good reputation. In fact, it may become impossible to find hand nail guys in the future. From what I have read and heard hand nailing brings a little more skill to the job, but the guy has to be good. If the hand nailing guy had a bad night or too many drinks the night before, then the air guy might do a better job.

Sounds like back peddling to me.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

One thing I wanted to add about hand nailing and air nailing......air nailing is fine and I would have no problem with it if the roofer has a good reputation. In fact, it may become impossible to find hand nail guys in the future. From what I have read and heard hand nailing brings a little more skill to the job, but the guy has to be good. If the hand nailing guy had a bad night or too many drinks the night before, then the air guy might do a better job.

Sounds like back peddling to me.

jmonroe

Not really, just sane and rational. The mistake was in taking sides and making it into a big deal. I am saying both methods, hand or air hammering get good results, from what I have heard and read a good hand nailer has to have better skills.....real skills so I would say he is going to do a better more refined job.....but, the air hammer guy if he is good can come close....and it isn't a big enough factor to insist on hand hammer....but if I have a choice I would choose Hand over Air.
At least I take the sane rational approach instead of being pig headed

jmonroe1

@bwia said:
Very nice galvanized roof, but as @ab348 said the metal roofs come in different primary colors, except black. I also like the sound of the rain on a metal roof, it can make for a very romantic evening, if you are so inclined.

NO, NO, NO, I’m not inclined.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
The guys are hammering away....since 7 a.m. Trixie is taking it pretty good so far, her ears keep going up when there are noises but that's it. They have a conveyer belt to get the shingles from the truck up to the roof.

I’m surprised that any roofer that chooses to hand nail shingles doesn’t like throwing a third of a square of shingles on his back and hiking up the ladder to the roof. He must not be as old schooled as he pretends.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1

@henryn
Methinks you mean Prostate, unless you are laying flat on the ground face down as a sign of reverence.

roadburner

I’m trying to send as many cases to felony mediation that I can; I’d rather spend several hours in a mediation than several days at trial. Still, some victims can be so unreasonable. I have one case that the defense attorney wants to mediate because his client thinks he’s going to skate on the charges. The attorney thinks his client needs to hear a retired judge tell him that there’s a good chance he’s going to spend 20+ years in the pen. My victim refuses to mediate- “I WANT TO GO TO TRIAL!!!” is what she screamed at my assistant. I’m afraid that she isn’t going to come across as a very sympathetic witness, but if she wants to go to trial I won’t have much choice. In theory I can work the case out however I want but in reality my judge won’t accept a plea unless law enforcement and/or the vic are onboard with it. So I’ll just go to trial and if she’s unhappy with the outcome it’s on her.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

The guys are hammering away....since 7 a.m. Trixie is taking it pretty good so far, her ears keep going up when there are noises but that's it. They have a conveyer belt to get the shingles from the truck up to the roof.

I’m surprised that any roofer that chooses to hand nail shingles doesn’t like throwing a third of a square of shingles on his back and hiking up the ladder to the roof. He must not be as old schooled as he pretends.

jmonroe

Why waste energy and talent on lugging shingles up to the roof when you can have them conveyer belted up to the roof....where the hired help can unload them and the hand nail Guy can be in top form to do his magic?

stickguy

Driver, like with any tool, it’s the user not the tool that makes a difference. If a pro uses a good quality nailer, the correct way, results are fine. The air gun just makes it quicker for a slacker to do a poor job, but they just as easily can do a lousy job hand nailing.

I’d bet it isn’t so much the hammer that makes a difference, rather that only a real old school expert would be doing it.

Putting on lug nuts with an impact wrench is the same concept.

henryn

I haven't done much roofing, but I have been told that lugging the shingles from the ground up to the roof is the hardest part of the job. Sounds like a conveyor belt might be a good idea. Depending on cost, and how much time and trouble to transport and set up the machinery.

stickguy

I see a lot of roofing jobs on my morning walks. The real lucky ones have a boom truck delivering them that swings out over the roof. Just unload where you need them.

I’m always amazed how fast a crew can rip through an install. And that I’ve yet to see anyone fall off. And almost never is any safety gear used.