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driver100

How about a 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz? Half bed little truck, got a great review, drives like a car. A little expensive, probably mid $30s to $40k USD.

driver100

And Ford brings back The Splash edition of the Ranger;

I prefer the Non-Splash model better!

sda

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

Thanks for asking. Right now there is a 54% chance we will fly to Florida early in November. It depends on what is going on there. We have our two vaccines, but I don't want to be in a high risk situation. My Florida tennis guys are very careful.....with pickleball it is indoors and I don't know who is vaccinated or how careful they are. Our neighbors in our community are careful, but we will watch and see what happens during the next month.

I hope you can make the border crossing for winter in FL this year. You need to get reacquainted with your Mercedes there.

lol....I miss the 2014 C250. I see a lot of them around, and I still like that design. I do miss not having a backup camera but I won't complain too much....I like the simplicity but power of the C250. Hope it still runs. At least I would probably go down in Nov or Dec and get an oil change, a few recalls like Takata air bags done, and put in some new gas.

Before you drive it you may want to send it to the service shop for inspection and proper maintenance to bring it back to running status.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

Thanks for asking. Right now there is a 54% chance we will fly to Florida early in November. It depends on what is going on there. We have our two vaccines, but I don't want to be in a high risk situation. My Florida tennis guys are very careful.....with pickleball it is indoors and I don't know who is vaccinated or how careful they are. Our neighbors in our community are careful, but we will watch and see what happens during the next month.

I hope you can make the border crossing for winter in FL this year. You need to get reacquainted with your Mercedes there.

lol....I miss the 2014 C250. I see a lot of them around, and I still like that design. I do miss not having a backup camera but I won't complain too much....I like the simplicity but power of the C250. Hope it still runs. At least I would probably go down in Nov or Dec and get an oil change, a few recalls like Takata air bags done, and put in some new gas.

How long has that car been sitting? Do you anticipate any problems when you get there? I’d worry about dead batteries, flat spotted tires and gas turned into glue.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

How about a 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz? Half bed little truck, got a great review, drives like a car. A little expensive, probably mid $30s to $40k USD.

I like the styling of the Santa Cruz but that bed looks pretty useless for any real work.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

And Ford brings back The Splash edition of the Ranger;

I prefer the Non-Splash model better!

The guy down the street has a Ranger in dark red (probably a ‘19) that I’d love to get a chance at. One of my coworkers has a 2005 Ranger XLT with super low miles that I’d really like to buy but he says he’s not selling until next year. I guess I can wait because what I see on dealer lots around here are all over $35k. Some as high as $45k.

That’s to much for a work vehicle IMO.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

Thanks for asking. Right now there is a 54% chance we will fly to Florida early in November. It depends on what is going on there. We have our two vaccines, but I don't want to be in a high risk situation. My Florida tennis guys are very careful.....with pickleball it is indoors and I don't know who is vaccinated or how careful they are. Our neighbors in our community are careful, but we will watch and see what happens during the next month.

I hope you can make the border crossing for winter in FL this year. You need to get reacquainted with your Mercedes there.

lol....I miss the 2014 C250. I see a lot of them around, and I still like that design. I do miss not having a backup camera but I won't complain too much....I like the simplicity but power of the C250. Hope it still runs. At least I would probably go down in Nov or Dec and get an oil change, a few recalls like Takata air bags done, and put in some new gas.

How long has that car been sitting? Do you anticipate any problems when you get there? I’d worry about dead batteries, flat spotted tires and gas turned into glue.

If the gas is still good I will take it in asap....needs an oil change...almost 2 years though only about 6k miles since the last one. I think oil can stay pretty good if just sitting...it stays in the ground for thousands of years!
There is at least one recall for Takata airbags. The battery is the original so I was going to get a new one. Might get a full B Service....we have saved a lot by not driving it for one year, and it will probably last longer too. I think it has under 35k miles on it.

@oldfarmer50 I have to hope the STABIL can keep gas working for a year and a half. If not, I guess it gets towed in and they will have to remove the old stuff. Oil was changed in Nov 2019, so will be almost 2 years old....though I think I read it will hold up if the car is just sitting....it has gone about 6k miles, 10k mile is the limit between oil changes. The tires are pretty new Michelins...instead of having flat spots for 15 miles will probably have them for 25 miles.

The Santa Cruz isn't made to be like a real truck, it is for people who need a truck like vehicle but don't want to drive a truck. Maybe for a senior who does a lot of gardening at home.

tjc78

Change the oil and then beat the snot out of it for a few miles. It will be fine.

bwia

New 2022 Toyota Corolla Cross
Watch this 4 minute video of the the compact Corolla Cross. It is a nice looking vehicle but rather bland. The base L model starts at $23,410 and up to $27,540 for the XLE.
Power comes from a naturally aspirated 169-hp 2.0-liter inline-four paired with a CVT with 0 - 60 mph in 8 - 8.3 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9DyD2Z6B5w

benjaminh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvh7q8ZxBrg

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

I'm in the process of combining one of my IRA's with another.
A couple of Medallion signature guarantees were needed.
Went to the bank local branch yesterday morning and they said they had to send the paperwork to the department that does that.
Also said up to 3 business days to send to me.
In the afternoon, I got an email that the signatures were done and the paperwork would be sent to me.
A UPS envelope showed up this afternoon with everything complete.
Mailed the transfer paperwork about an hour later.
Good job BoA.

I found out about 10 years ago that having your IRA at a local bank is the worst of all possible outcomes. They think they own your IRA. Tried to transfer my wife's IRA to Vanguard, where all of her other accounts are. Did it all within the 10 day grace period, after the CD expired. Basically stonewalled me. I'd set it up at the branch near where we both worked, as it was convenient. We no longer worked in that area, so tried to transfer it at my local branch. "You have to get sign off from the manager of the branch where you set it up". Of course, could never get that guy to call me back. This is a huge regional bank. Had to drive 25 miles up to the other branch, with my wife, and give them the evil eye in person to make it happen.

I still have my checking there, because it's convenient, but every time they try to sell me investments, I just roll my eyes. I'm not going to mention the name, because things may have improved in decade.

driver100

I watched both videos of the Toyota Cross. It seems to be a lot of car for the price...a really good value. I'd much prefer to pay a little extra and get one of those instead of a Corolla. The downside.....I got a feeling the driving experience will be a little lacking....but, if that doesn't matter it seems to be a good solid well designed SUV.

qbrozen

So a whopping 3” longer and 2” taller than a C-HR. So glad they found a space in which to fit another choice! And the gray plastic cladding lets me know it is rugged enough for the grocery store excursions. Thank you, Toyota!

Sandman6472

For some of us, the Corolla Cross is just the perfect size for our needs. At this point, if it fits on my side of our garage, it'll be my next vehicle. After these past almost 7 years with a German vehicle, two for that matter, I'm going back to "cheap to keep" and won't look back!

boomchek

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

Thanks for asking. Right now there is a 54% chance we will fly to Florida early in November. It depends on what is going on there. We have our two vaccines, but I don't want to be in a high risk situation. My Florida tennis guys are very careful.....with pickleball it is indoors and I don't know who is vaccinated or how careful they are. Our neighbors in our community are careful, but we will watch and see what happens during the next month.

I hope you can make the border crossing for winter in FL this year. You need to get reacquainted with your Mercedes there.

lol....I miss the 2014 C250. I see a lot of them around, and I still like that design. I do miss not having a backup camera but I won't complain too much....I like the simplicity but power of the C250. Hope it still runs. At least I would probably go down in Nov or Dec and get an oil change, a few recalls like Takata air bags done, and put in some new gas.

I had two W204 generation C Classes within the past 2 years, a 2011 C300 last year, and a 2008 C300 this year as my work commuters. I like this design too as it aged well, and both were comfortable decent handling cars.

tjc78

@Sandman6472 said:
For some of us, the Corolla Cross is just the perfect size for our needs. At this point, if it fits on my side of our garage, it'll be my next vehicle. After these past almost 7 years with a German vehicle, two for that matter, I'm going back to "cheap to keep" and won't look back!

What did your cars need that a Toyota wouldn’t have? If you amortize it over the 7 years is it a significant financial outlay?

benjaminh

Sandman6472 said:

For some of us, the Corolla Cross is just the perfect size for our needs. At this point, if it fits on my side of our garage, it'll be my next vehicle. After these past almost 7 years with a German vehicle, two for that matter, I'm going back to "cheap to keep" and won't look back!

Corolla Cross length: 175.6, width: 71.9

2016 Golf length: 167.5, width: 70.8

I wish Toyota would put the Camry's more powerful 2.5 engine in the upper trims of the Corolla Cross, which would have given it some zip. As it is, even the Kelly Blue Book guy can't restrain from saying that the Cross isn't much fun to drive. But it should be cheap to keep.

driver100

tjc78 said:

@Sandman6472 said:

For some of us, the Corolla Cross is just the perfect size for our needs. At this point, if it fits on my side of our garage, it'll be my next vehicle. After these past almost 7 years with a German vehicle, two for that matter, I'm going back to "cheap to keep" and won't look back!

What did your cars need that a Toyota wouldn’t have? If you amortize it over the 7 years is it a significant financial outlay?

I think it is what is important to you at the time tjc. I like the E for now, it is great to handle, has all the options I want, it has the power I like and I really like the steering and handling. But, the day may come when I just need a car to get groceries and get to doctors appointments.....in that case I may want something that gets me from A to B and needs a minimum amount of maintenance.

benjaminh

Since a few of you live in the Louisville area, I'll give a recommendation for a twisty road that's fun to drive if you ever feel like it—the Corydon Pike in Indiana. I think before I-64 was built back in the 1960s this was one of the main highways in this area, but it doesn't have much traffic now. The map shows an area where there are some nice turns that even at the speed limit are fun to take. Corydon itself is a pleasant 20 minute or so drive from the top of the pike via highway 62. Corydon has a nice historic district, the original old state capitol building, and some paved walking and biking trails that are scenic.

qbrozen

@Sandman6472 said:
For some of us, the Corolla Cross is just the perfect size for our needs. At this point, if it fits on my side of our garage, it'll be my next vehicle. After these past almost 7 years with a German vehicle, two for that matter, I'm going back to "cheap to keep" and won't look back!

I’m not criticizing your choice. I am criticizing Toyota for making 2 vehicles the same size that serve the same purpose. Not that they are alone. I suppose you could compare it to the Germans and their twin SUVs that have a square back and slope back. The CC is square and the CHR sloped.

ronsteve

benjaminh said:

Since a few of you live in the Louisville area, I'll give a recommendation for a twisty road that's fun to drive if you ever feel like it—the Corydon Pike in Indiana. I think before I-64 was built back in the 1960s this was one of the main highways in this area, but it doesn't have much traffic now. The map shows an area where there are some nice turns that even at the speed limit are fun to take. Corydon itself is a pleasant 20 minute or so drive from the top of the pike via highway 62. Corydon has a nice historic district, the original old state capitol building, and some paved walking and biking trails that are scenic.

Just play nice around the cyclists that you'll frequently see on Corydon Pike... One of them could be me. Fortunately there is actually plenty of room in all but maybe one or two of the hairpins, especially going up.

Right in the heart of Corydon is Butt Drugs, an old-timey drugstore with a soda fountain and well-renowned ice cream and shakes.

imidazol97

Is this narrow road the Corydon Pike?

We went to Corydon in the 200x period to ride the historic railroad. We loved history short train rides. Beautiful small town. We walked some and visited tourist traps. But loved the visit.

As an Indiana native I knew from my Indiana History class that Corydon was the original capitol.

sda

@imidazol97 Do you own the 60 Buick convertible in your signature picture? Sharp car.

sda

We returned yesterday from vacation, as always, too short. Other than my ‘tail’ being slightly sore from all the bike riding which was thoroughly enjoyable, all is well. The Q5 averaged around 28, SIL’s RDX 29, and the Passat 39 mpg. All were fully loaded, ac full time.

benjaminh

imidazol97 said:

Is this narrow road the Corydon Pike?....

That would be narrow for a car! No, that's the Corydon Indian Creek Trail, showing one of the bridges over Indian Creek. Great for bike riding or walking.

ronsteve

benjaminh said:

imidazol97 said:

Is this narrow road the Corydon Pike?....

That would be narrow for a car! No, that's the Corydon Indian Creek Trail, showing one of the bridges over Indian Creek. Great for bike riding or walking.

I knew that didn't look like Corydon Pike. Though I have seen roads that looked about that narrow, mostly on the Kentucky side. Corydon Pike is actually wide enough to have a double-yellow line, and extra wide in the left-hand hairpins going up. I should see if I know anyone with some GoPro footage from that section.

benjaminh

Here's another closer map pic of the area in that photo.

kyfdx

I'm not getting a milkshake from a place named Butt Drugs...

cdnpinhead

benjaminh said:

That would be narrow for a car! No, that's the Corydon Indian Creek Trail. . .

True, but there are roads about that wide all over the UK, and they often have stone walls or very robust hedges at the verge.

tjc78

@driver100 said:
I think it is what is important to you at the time tjc. I like the E for now, it is great to handle, has all the options I want, it has the power I like and I really like the steering and handling. But, the day may come when I just need a car to get groceries and get to doctors appointments.....in that case I may want something that gets me from A to B and needs a minimum amount of maintenance.

A modern mainstream Mercedes driven 7-10K a year doesn’t need all that much more maintenance than a Toyota. I’m sure over time it will cost more money but for the first 40-50K the cost difference is negligible. If keeping it well past that mileage then, yes I’m sure the Mercedes cost will start to creep up.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

I think it is what is important to you at the time tjc. I like the E for now, it is great to handle, has all the options I want, it has the power I like and I really like the steering and handling. But, the day may come when I just need a car to get groceries and get to doctors appointments.....in that case I may want something that gets me from A to B and needs a minimum amount of maintenance.

A modern mainstream Mercedes driven 7-10K a year doesn’t need all that much more maintenance than a Toyota. I’m sure over time it will cost more money but for the first 40-50K the cost difference is negligible. If keeping it well past that mileage then, yes I’m sure the Mercedes cost will start to creep up.

Are you sure? An oil change on a Toyota might cost $30 if you shop around, less if you do it yourself. A Mercedes on the other hand probably costs $150 at the dealer who is the only one who has the parts. It’s the parts cost that makes a difference.

A coworker also works for a Mercedes dealer as a swap driver. He recently returned a Mercedes with 20k miles to the owner. The dealer put on new brakes and rotors all around. The bill was $2600.

ronsteve

tjc78 said:

A modern mainstream Mercedes driven 7-10K a year doesn’t need all that much more maintenance than a Toyota. I’m sure over time it will cost more money but for the first 40-50K the cost difference is negligible. If keeping it well past that mileage then, yes I’m sure the Mercedes cost will start to creep up.

I guess when you factor in the actual cost of maintenance, the Toyota and Mercedes are about even after the first owner-paid visit with the Benz, right?

tjc78

@oldfarmer50 said:
Are you sure? An oil change on a Toyota might cost $30 if you shop around, less if you do it yourself. A Mercedes on the other hand probably costs $150 at the dealer who is the only one who has the parts. It’s the parts cost that makes a difference.

A coworker also works for a Mercedes dealer as a swap driver. He recently returned a Mercedes with 20k miles to the owner. The dealer put on new brakes and rotors all around. The bill was $2600.

You aren’t getting full synthetic for $30. If it’s conventional you have to do it more often so they negates the savings a bit.

New brakes and rotors at 20k is pretty uncommon. What Benz was it? Doubtful it was a run of the mill
C or E.

@fintail
What have you spent maintaining your E-wagon?

benjaminh

"Toyota care
No cost maintenance plan and Roadside Assistances.
Every new Toyota comes with ToyotaCare1, a maintenance plan that covers normal factory scheduled maintenance with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota for 2 years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first. 24-hour Roadside Assistance is also included for 2 years and unlimited miles."

https://www.toyota.com/owners/parts-service/toyota-care

benjaminh

"Hyundai has you covered for normal, factory scheduled maintenance intervals for 3 years or 36,000 miles (whichever comes first). More frequent maintenance due to severe driving or conditions is excluded. Benefits include:
• Engine oil and oil filter changes
• Tire rotations
• Multi-point inspection
• Hyundai Genuine Oil filters & Hyundai Recommended Oil"

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/assurance/complimentary-maintenance

tjc78

I honestly thought they cancelled Toyota care.

snakeweasel

@tjc78 said:
I honestly thought they cancelled Toyota care.

That's what Toyota wants you to believe.

28firefighter

Wait. We keep cars long enough to do oil changes? Did I miss the memo?

fintail

I always buy the prepaid maintenance with the lease, as it is factored in with the residual, so you get it at a discount. M-B Service B is especially expensive, so this can save real money. I think it added $30-something per month to the lease price.

Otherwise, the car has had no other maintenance expenses other than related to snow tires/wheels.

tjc78 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

Are you sure? An oil change on a Toyota might cost $30 if you shop around, less if you do it yourself. A Mercedes on the other hand probably costs $150 at the dealer who is the only one who has the parts. It’s the parts cost that makes a difference.

A coworker also works for a Mercedes dealer as a swap driver. He recently returned a Mercedes with 20k miles to the owner. The dealer put on new brakes and rotors all around. The bill was $2600.

You aren’t getting full synthetic for $30. If it’s conventional you have to do it more often so they negates the savings a bit.

New brakes and rotors at 20k is pretty uncommon. What Benz was it? Doubtful it was a run of the mill

C or E.

@fintail

What have you spent maintaining your E-wagon?

benjaminh

Seems like it's about twice as expensive to get an oil change in a BMW compared to a regular car. I'm guessing it's even more at our local Mercedes dealer, but they don't say how much. I guess it's one of those "if you have to ask you can't afford it" situations.

The Acura dealer does seem like a bargain for oil changes. For about twenty years I followed the JiffyLube 3k interval, and iirc it was usually about $30 back in the 1990s, which adjusted for inflation would be at least $50 today—and that was for regular oil. Since I change my oil about every 9000 miles with the Acura I'm paying a lot less for oil changes than I used to. And with my tire rotations and balances now included with the Michelins from Costco, probably just some brake pads, and maybe a couple of engine air filters and cabin filters before 100k. At 100k there's the tune-up, but after seeing how those iridium tipped plugs in that Prius were still functioning after probably more than 240k, I'm almost tempted to leave them in and see what happens. But no, I want peak performance for what power I have, and so I'm sure I'll follow the Acura schedule and get new iridium spark plugs at 100k.

explorerx4

@28 firefighter,
This is C & C. Some people here do keep their vehicles long enough to change the oil.

sda

I have found Acura/Honda maintenance and repair cost to be reasonable. VW is more expensive and Audi even more. I believe the Q5 has its original battery and was told it will need rear brake pads at the next service. Hand covering bottom to cushion the spanking.

carnaught

Pricing a Prius oil change with full synthetic once Toyota Care expires: with tax just under $150 at the dealer, $100 at JiffyLube with a $10 off coupon. No bargains.

28firefighter

@explorerx4 said:
@28 firefighter,
This is C & C. Some people here do keep their vehicles long enough to change the oil.

Whoops. Forgot where I was.

explorerx4

I got interrupted when I was going to add a smiley face to my last comment.

imidazol97

sda said:

@imidazol97 Do you own the 60 Buick convertible in your signature picture? Sharp car.

I saw that beauty at an informal car club's get together in N. Ky (Kyfdx's part of the country). I was 16 when that car was new. It's an Invicta rather than the low line leSabre. There was an Electra 225 convertible as well.

My life long buddy's mother had a 1959 Buick that we rarely got to drive. But I loved the elegance of the 1960's soft wings compared to 1959 and other cars of that flair era. The seats on the Invicta were beautifully done. I've tried to verify that was the original design. I'll look for a picture of this car's seats.

I've seen a 1960 leSabre convertible at a large weekly cruise-in in Plain City (near Columbus). Otherwise I haven't seen 1960 convertibles or even many 1960 Buicks at shows. Rarely preserved, I guess.

explorerx4

@benjaminh,
Here is a european comparison of Cross Climate 2 and older Cross Climate+.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp1z-G3RWI

stickguy

wait, he just got them, and his fancy new tires are already outdated?

that's harsh.

benjaminh

Not yet lol!

I have the CrossClimate2 tires.

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

"Hyundai has you covered for normal, factory scheduled maintenance intervals for 3 years or 36,000 miles (whichever comes first). More frequent maintenance due to severe driving or conditions is excluded. Benefits include:
• Engine oil and oil filter changes
• Tire rotations
• Multi-point inspection
• Hyundai Genuine Oil filters & Hyundai Recommended Oil"

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/assurance/complimentary-maintenance

Huh? Kia didn’t give me squat. I guess that what I get for buying a wanna be Hyundai.