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Michaell

Mid-grade this morning was $4.06/gal

driver100

Went by a Shell on my way to tennis this morning...RUG was $3.79
On the way back it had gone up to $3.99.
The next gas station had RUG for $3.79 so I pulled in with about half a tank....can't pass up a bargain.

explorerx4

Gas is going to continue to rise for a while.

driver100

After tennis there was a Ioniq5 parked behind me.......white with a black pano roof.......it looked really nice. They made it look different than a gasser, but it isn't way out like some EVs

abacomike

Just saw that Costco PUG is now $4.19 a gallon - increase of 21 cents a gallon from this morning when I filled up. This is something that needs attention. $5.00 a gallon gas is not far from a reality in a month or two at this rate!!!

ab348

explorerx4 said:

Gas is going to continue to rise for a while.

What is the reasoning offered for that? I admit I have not been paying attention. Today's local price here equates to $5.17USD per US gallon so I expect we will see another increase here in a day or two.

explorerx4

@ab348,
At least some of the price increases are due to the decision to stop importing oil from Russia.

ab348

Canada did not import oil from Russia from what I have read recently, so that would not affect us directly. Did the US import a significant amount from them?

fintail

Last time I checked, US imported about 3% of its oil from Russia, which makes a 20% gasoline price increase completely logical.

stickguy

I don't think it is that linear. Oil moves all over the globe. total supply matters more than which specific country is moving it where. So if Canada is buying from SA, and US from Russia, and Russia stops selling then the US goes to buy from SA, so there is competition now and lower supply, and price goes up.

Hopefully a temporary blip. As long as other suppliers ramp up output quickly, the overall supply/demand equation should stabilize. The bigger problem is when some of them intentionally cut back to create a shortage to jack prices up.

I assume the US govt is leaning on domestic suppliers to step it up, but the absurd prices should do that anyway. Not sure who has the pull to get the OPEC bunch cranking up the wells.

also a good "I told you so" lesson for the people that have been pointing out that it would be good to not be dependent on oil. Not just climate reasons but it is a big national security and defense risk (even the DOD has warned of that).

ab348

Of course we buy gasoline and diesel, not crude oil.

driver100

There will be a shortage of oil as Europe's oil comes from Russia. This puts pressure on oil prices as Europe has to pay more for oil from other sources. That causes the price to go up, globally.
Probably another good reason why we (Canada and the U.S.) should not be dependent on foreign oil.

driver100

Mrs D100 found Wordle Archives.......google it. If you are addicted you can play all you want.

cdnpinhead

explorerx4 said:

Gas is going to continue to rise for a while.

Ya think?

stickguy

driver100 said:

There will be a shortage of oil as Europe's oil comes from Russia. This puts pressure on oil prices as Europe has to pay more for oil from other sources. That causes the price to go up, globally.
Probably another good reason why we (Canada and the U.S.) should not be dependent on foreign oil.

change to to "on oil". Because even when the US produces exactly what we use, if Europe is paying more, producers will sell it elsewhere (which basically means they will just charge more here instead).

explorerx4

I believe the US exports quite a bit of oil.

fintail

It'll be fun to see industry profitability - just as right now overall corporate profits are at record levels, and there's a bit of data out there that this is a real reason behind the inflationary environment.

I remember the 2008 spike, based purely on speculation.

Reminds me of a kind of running joke about landlords in the region, who may have costs increase 100/month, then deliver 500/month rent hikes and blame "expenses".

I am sure the housing crisis will cause even more demand for distant tract developments, big trucks and heavy SUVs will continue to be profit centers, and micromanagers will be wanting more people to return the office, all of it driving consumption even more.

stickguy said:

I don't think it is that linear. Oil moves all over the globe. total supply matters more than which specific country is moving it where. So if Canada is buying from SA, and US from Russia, and Russia stops selling then the US goes to buy from SA, so there is competition now and lower supply, and price goes up.

Hopefully a temporary blip. As long as other suppliers ramp up output quickly, the overall supply/demand equation should stabilize. The bigger problem is when some of them intentionally cut back to create a shortage to jack prices up.

I assume the US govt is leaning on domestic suppliers to step it up, but the absurd prices should do that anyway. Not sure who has the pull to get the OPEC bunch cranking up the wells.

also a good "I told you so" lesson for the people that have been pointing out that it would be good to not be dependent on oil. Not just climate reasons but it is a big national security and defense risk (even the DOD has warned of that).

henryn

I was out and about today for the first time in 3 days. Gas prices are all over the place, a much wider spread than what I'm used to seeing. Low of $3.39 (cash only) to high of $3.98, all for RUG.

driver100

RUG was $3.79 where I filled up, and primo was $4.49! Ouch!

henryn

The price difference between 87 and 93 octane can be insane. The big name brands (Chevron, Shell, etc) are often right at a full one dollar more per gallon. Drive 3 or 4 miles over to HEB, and the difference is around 30 to 35 cents.

jmonroe1

kyfdx said:

imidazol97 said:

I am hooked on Wordle. The first time has hooked me.

I was anxious
to try again this morning for my second round. It's like some drugs are
where one try and people are users needing their fix (what's a 5-letter word for "fix"?).

I found a good article with strategies on WSJ.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/wordle-what-is-word-game-11642016202?tesla=y

Real men play in hard mode.

Real men play hard ball.

jmonroe

stickguy

dang house is falling apart around me. I knew I should have unloaded it last summer when prices were nuts!

we brought the DW back to life (knock wood, so far holding) but today, went to turn the oven on and nothing. Stovetop portion (it is a gas range) works fine. But the oven part, dead. Some googling indicates it is likely the igniter, which of course is probably hard to find. Not interested in taking apart a gas appliance if I can avoid it, so calling "the guy" Monday morning, and hoping they have the part and can come out (and of course, do an actual diagnosis first). I just hope it is easily fixable, so I don't have to shell out for a new one in this market.

the fun, never ends.

qbrozen

Go to the Best Buy outlet in Marlton. You can get a new one for $500-$600. Probably only a couple hundred more, if that, than calling the guy.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=pcmcat748300667606&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=category_facet=name~abcat0904000^condition_facet=Condition~Open-Box^fueltype_facet=Fuel Type~Gas^rangetypesv_facet=Range Type~Freestanding&sc=Global&st=pcmcat748300667606_categoryid$abcat0900000&type=page&usc=All Categories

driver100

stickguy said:

dang house is falling apart around me. I knew I should have unloaded it last summer when prices were nuts!

we brought the DW back to life (knock wood, so far holding) but today, went to turn the oven on and nothing. Stovetop portion (it is a gas range) works fine. But the oven part, dead. Some googling indicates it is likely the igniter, which of course is probably hard to find. Not interested in taking apart a gas appliance if I can avoid it, so calling "the guy" Monday morning, and hoping they have the part and can come out (and of course, do an actual diagnosis first). I just hope it is easily fixable, so I don't have to shell out for a new one in this market.

the fun, never ends.

What a pain. How old is the stove? How much to replace it with something similar? If you think it could cost around $300 to fix it might be worthwhile to get a new one. If you fix it once and something else goes....then you could have had a new one for a bit more....with all the features and a warranty.
I like slide ins, or drop ins but they seem to have skyrocketed in price.....before you could find them for under $1000, today they are closer to $1500. Funny that Samsung seems to have the lowest price model at about $1300....I wonder if they have to cut their prices because of some of the bad publicity for their appliances?

ab348

driver100 said:

Funny that Samsung seems to have the lowest price model at about $1300....I wonder if they have to cut their prices because of some of the bad publicity for their appliances?

It is one thing if a Samsung refrigerator develops a water leakage problem, but quite another if a Samsung range develops a gas leak problem. I would never buy a Samsung gas appliance.

I suspect Samsung appliances are cheap because that is how they are built.

driver100

I got todays "Wordle" in 3 lines!

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Funny that Samsung seems to have the lowest price model at about $1300....I wonder if they have to cut their prices because of some of the bad publicity for their appliances?

I suspect Samsung appliances are cheap because that is how they are built.

I actually saw a little van with Samsung Customer Service on it....I guess they actually send someone out these days. At first all they cared about was selling appliances...no network to fix them.
But, I don't look for trouble either, and I saw those unhappy Samsung customers on Market Place so I'd steer clear too.
They seem to make pretty good TVs though.

explorerx4

Unless you want to make the gas connection yourself, that is going to be added to the cost of the stove.
7 or 8 years ago, Lowes wanted $160 to hook up our gas dryer.

carnaught

When it comes to Samsung and LG, better off sticking to their televisions.

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
Went by a Shell on my way to tennis this morning...RUG was $3.79
On the way back it had gone up to $3.99.
The next gas station had RUG for $3.79 so I pulled in with about half a tank....can't pass up a bargain.

Needed gas yesterday so I thought I would get it on the way home. I noticed that of the two gas stations near work one had raised its price by 20 cents over the day before so I decided that I would get gas at the other one going to work. Good thing I did as on the way home I noticed the station I went to followed suit and had raised theirs by 20 cents.

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
After tennis there was a Ioniq5 parked behind me.......white with a black pano roof.......it looked really nice. They made it look different than a gasser, but it isn't way out like some EVs

The question is what hit it to make such a straight dent in its side?

stickguy

it is actually a Samsung stove. about 4.5 years old. I pointed out to the wife that we now have a PU in the garage, and there is an appliance outlet (used to be a sears outlet) about 2 miles away. Just buy one, throw it in the back, and put it in.

she nixed the idea because of the gas connections. I seem to recall Lowe's requiring a new something (maybe the hose) and that there were different connectors to the unit itself. For some reason, she was reluctant to risk blowing the house up to save a few bucks.

a comparable unit these days is in the $750 range, plus install and hose. So most likely pushing $900 at least OTD (in the kitchen?) From research it is most likely the igniter, and that installed should be more in the $200 range, and is pretty much the only common failure item on that stove. So most likely if we get it fixed it should be fine as long as we plan to stay here.

I will decide Monday when I call "the guy". My guess, from looking online, they do a lot of these and he will definitely know how much it costs (and if that part is available now).

driver100

snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:

After tennis there was a Ioniq5 parked behind me.......white with a black pano roof.......it looked really nice. They made it look different than a gasser, but it isn't way out like some EVs

The question is what hit it to make such a straight dent in its side?

I think that was done by the wing of an airplane.

driver100

@stickguy
Interesting, a 4.5 year old stove and it broke down. For the amount we use the oven we could probably get by without an oven. What you need is a $150 air fryer to replace the oven. When you sell the house don't mention the oven doesn't work...no one tests for that

stickguy

it is most likely just the ignitor. A part that should last longer of course, but it is somewhat of an ancillary piece to the oven itself. maybe like on a car if a coil pack goes at 5 years old. Really shouldn't, but it is a part that can wear out and fail and is not a big deal to replace, and has nothing to do with the health of the car otherwise.

we do have a fancy toaster over air fryer unit. Had to use that to heat up the onion rings. And we do use it for a lot of smaller jobs. Just not suitable for baking cookies or a cake.

ab348

driver100 said:

I got todays "Wordle" in 3 lines!

We need a mute function here.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Funny that Samsung seems to have the lowest price model at about $1300....I wonder if they have to cut their prices because of some of the bad publicity for their appliances?

I suspect Samsung appliances are cheap because that is how they are built.

I actually saw a little van with Samsung Customer Service on it....I guess they actually send someone out these days. At first all they cared about was selling appliances...no network to fix them.
But, I don't look for trouble either, and I saw those unhappy Samsung customers on Market Place so I'd steer clear too.
They seem to make pretty good TVs though.

They know better than to mix water/gas with electricity.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Canada did not import oil from Russia from what I have read recently, so that would not affect us directly. Did the US import a significant amount from them?

3% is what I’ve read but those figures can misleading as from what I understand imports and exports can vary depending on economics. For example, a lot of Alaskan oil goes to Japan because they have the refineries. That might be balanced by imports from Saudi Arabia or Venezuela. Very complex interactions. As much as I might want to blame politicians for being short sighted I can’t do that in good conscience.

As I understand it, Canada too had some Russian oil imports.

kyfdx

It doesn't matter where the oil comes from. Oil companies sell it at the going rate, no matter their cost.

If oil is $105/bbl, then that's the price, regardless of import/export.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

it is actually a Samsung stove. about 4.5 years old. I pointed out to the wife that we now have a PU in the garage, and there is an appliance outlet (used to be a sears outlet) about 2 miles away. Just buy one, throw it in the back, and put it in.

she nixed the idea because of the gas connections. I seem to recall Lowe's requiring a new something (maybe the hose) and that there were different connectors to the unit itself. For some reason, she was reluctant to risk blowing the house up to save a few bucks.

a comparable unit these days is in the $750 range, plus install and hose. So most likely pushing $900 at least OTD (in the kitchen?) From research it is most likely the igniter, and that installed should be more in the $200 range, and is pretty much the only common failure item on that stove. So most likely if we get it fixed it should be fine as long as we plan to stay here.

I will decide Monday when I call "the guy". My guess, from looking online, they do a lot of these and he will definitely know how much it costs (and if that part is available now).

That “new something” you mentioned is probably a check valve in the flexible gas line connecting the stove the the gas line in the house. If a leak develops after the check valve the flow is more than likely going to be greater than the normal useage of the gas consumed by the stove (or dryer) so the check valve closes and stops the flow of gas.

Anybody who installs a gas appliance today will have you believing it’s real voodo to justify what they charge to do it.

jmonroe

tjc78

explorerx4 said:

Unless you want to make the gas connection yourself, that is going to be added to the cost of the stove.
7 or 8 years ago, Lowes wanted $160 to hook up our gas dryer.

When I had the new unit delivered to the shore house I had planned on doing it myself. Guy was back there doing the washer which is free so I said how does $50 sound to connect the gas and vent. Naturally he took it.

sda

I saw these at a local Honda dealer. Priced between $99-105k.

snakeweasel

Well it looks like another boring day at the tax office. I had one appointment and he shows up at the wrong location.

driver100

Strange place to display Vettes.

Hmmmm, look honey, we were looking for a Civic for you but maybe you'd like one of these!

stickguy

Makes sense if it is the Breld family. Other than the Civic part.

sda

I felt ambitious this weekend and waxed the Q5 and Passat. I will do the TL soon. One plus of having a panoramic roof, there isn’t much area to wax!

stickguy

that was a plus to the Miata I had. 5 minute wax job.

stickguy

finally put my truck to work. Had to pick up a dog crate from someone in our rescue. Backed up the driveway, dropped the tailgate, rolled back the tonneau cover, and threw it in. Much easier than dropping seats in the CUV and having to clamber in and slide it in at an angle.

henryn

stickguy said:

finally put my truck to work. Had to pick up a dog crate from someone in our rescue. Backed up the driveway, dropped the tailgate, rolled back the tonneau cover, and threw it in. Much easier than dropping seats in the CUV and having to clamber in and slide it in at an angle.

Be careful you don't exceed your weight limit! (ducking and running for cover)

oldfarmer50

sda said:

I saw these at a local Honda dealer. Priced between $99-105k.

That doesn’t sound too much higher than normal for those. Most have a big ADM.