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stickguy

that looks like a lot more than 1k to me.

stickguy

on the EVs, it seems to me that they should not be so expensive at this point. Are the batteries really that much pricier than the engine in an ICE unit?

benjaminh

stickguy said:

on the EVs, it seems to me that they should not be so expensive at this point. Are the batteries really that much pricier than the engine in an ICE unit?

Big battery packs for EVs are really expensive. The cost of replacing a Model 3 battery is around $17k according to this article.

https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-cost-replace-tesla-battery/

I don't know how much it would cost to put in an all-new 1.5 turbo engine in an Accord or Civic, but maybe around $8k? That's a lot of money, but less than half of a Tesla battery pack.

Battery costs might decline as production is ramped up, but that will be countered to a large degree by rising costs for the short supplies of the raw materials that go into batteries. All the big EV players are scrambling to lock down their own supplies of raw materials.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/gm-ford-tesla-stock-ev-battery-51649861956

driver100

stickguy said:

that looks like a lot more than 1k to me.

I thought so too, but that was the amount the article said it would cost.

henryn

Beware the catalytic converter thieves if you drive a Toyota Tundra or Prius:

Though thieves look for any vehicles left in a vulnerable position, Gamez said Toyota Tundras are a top target for catalytic converter theft because the trucks have four large catalytic converters that command higher prices than those from most vehicles.

Four catalytic converters from a Toyota Tundra could get thieves over $1,000 at some metal recyclers, Laviage said.

Toyota Prius models from 2004 to 2009 are also targeted because their converters contain higher concentrations of precious metals to compensate for the reduced flow of hot gases from hybrid engines, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. A single catalytic converter from an older Toyota Prius can sell for $1,000 or more, the IIHS found.

andres3

graphicguy said:

ab348 said:

To illustrate how the Canadian car market is different from that in the US, I looked at Honda Canada's website to get up to speed on the Accord Touring hybrid. Here they are available in your choice of white or black paint, and only with a black interior. So GG's new ride would be a unicorn here in terms of colors.

What? No red? Sacrilege!

Interior…..lighting…daylight!

I like it! Maybe that could be my daily in 1 year when you're ready to part with it!

andres3

Michaell said:

In the ID.4 we just ordered, the gear selector is a twist knob next to the gauge cluster:



Twist forward to select "Drive" or "Brake" - the latter turns on one-pedal mode.

Twist backward for reverse.

Button on the end engages Park and the parking brake.

Does the 4 in ID.4 mean AWD?

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

@driver100 said:

.......and most places in Canada get cold enough in the winter that seat warmers are a must and a heated steering wheel is a nice bonus. Maybe those steering wheels are good for people with arthritis.

I have the heated front seats (cooled as well) and the heated steering wheel - never turned on the heated steering wheel and I would need to look up the details as to where the on/off button or switch is if I ever get an opportunity to use it. Here in Florida, a heated steering wheel is a “necessity”? 🤓🤪😜

I find that the cloth seats in the Sonata really don't feel cold even in the coldest weather but the leather seats in the 4 Series can be cold even in mild weather so they need to be heated.

The vinyl seats in my hooptie van are self heating. You just leave it in the sun for an hour and you need asbestos pants. Conversely, if you want them cooled you roll down the window and drive fast.

Ah the good old fashion 440 AC.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

benjaminh said:

I liked seeing the pix of the Accord. I'm interested to know how you feel about the pros and cons of the push-button transmission. The benefit seems to be if you've got a drink in the cup holder you don't need to maneuver around the shifter. But on the other hand I kind of like the feel of putting the shifter into drive.

On a different topic, what do you folks put in your door pockets? After years of experimenting here's what I try to have in the passenger pocket—Kleenex, water bottle, granola bar, and a compact umbrella. Believe it or not most of those things get used at some point.

I was going to ask GG how that transmission worked....I checked a photo. Would you say that is easy to use and pretty much foolproof?
I keep the same things in my door....umbrella is in the passenger side for the few times it is needed. I also keep a notepad and a pen clipped to it.

It took me a while to figure out how to get out of Park on one of those the other day. Not really intuitive. I also don’t like the buttons on the GMC vehicles where you have to lift the button instead of push. Ditto on the dial shifters on Chryslers and Fords.

Well looking at that bottom picture I would be afraid to drive that car. My wifes car has that type of knob that controls the infotainment system. I would be afraid I would forget what I was trying and slam the thing into park going 60 MPH down the road thinking I was changing the radio station.

Michaell

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

In the ID.4 we just ordered, the gear selector is a twist knob next to the gauge cluster:



Twist forward to select "Drive" or "Brake" - the latter turns on one-pedal mode.

Twist backward for reverse.

Button on the end engages Park and the parking brake.

Does the 4 in ID.4 mean AWD?

No.

I think it has to do with the size of the car.

There is both an ID.3 and and ID.5 in the UK.

The ID.5 is, I believe, the 3-row version and will be available in the US at some point.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

This guy tried to haul a full load of bricks in his Sienna;

They say the repair will be about $1000, a U-Haul trailer would have been $20.

And my wife wondered why I took four trips to get our paver blocks home.

oldfarmer50

Ouch!

mjfloyd1

ID.4 apparently means

intelligent design, identity, and visionary technologies
The company recently announced its first fully electric SUV, the ID. 4. Some drivers might wonder, what exactly does the ID stand for in the name? The company has quite the answer. They say that "the ID abbreviation stands for intelligent design, identity, and visionary technologies".

The 4 apparently identifies it as a SUV

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/volkswagen-id-4-name/?amp

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

In the ID.4 we just ordered, the gear selector is a twist knob next to the gauge cluster:



Twist forward to select "Drive" or "Brake" - the latter turns on one-pedal mode.

Twist backward for reverse.

Button on the end engages Park and the parking brake.

Does the 4 in ID.4 mean AWD?

Wouldn't it be an ID.A then? I do believe that it is 2 wheel drive with AWD as an option.

snakeweasel

mjfloyd1 said:

ID.4 apparently means

intelligent design, identity, and visionary technologies

The company recently announced its first fully electric SUV, the ID. 4. Some drivers might wonder, what exactly does the ID stand for in the name? The company has quite the answer. They say that "the ID abbreviation stands for intelligent design, identity, and visionary technologies".

Well then should it be called IDIVT.4?

mjfloyd1

IDIVT SUV

roadburner

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

benjaminh said:

I liked seeing the pix of the Accord. I'm interested to know how you feel about the pros and cons of the push-button transmission. The benefit seems to be if you've got a drink in the cup holder you don't need to maneuver around the shifter. But on the other hand I kind of like the feel of putting the shifter into drive.

On a different topic, what do you folks put in your door pockets? After years of experimenting here's what I try to have in the passenger pocket—Kleenex, water bottle, granola bar, and a compact umbrella. Believe it or not most of those things get used at some point.

I was going to ask GG how that transmission worked....I checked a photo. Would you say that is easy to use and pretty much foolproof?
I keep the same things in my door....umbrella is in the passenger side for the few times it is needed. I also keep a notepad and a pen clipped to it.

Had the button transmission in both my TLX and now in the Accord. Really, after the first couple of days in the TLX, my hand fell readily to whatever push/pull I was wanting. Plus, in addition to being in different places on the console, the buttons are a different feel/shape.

Makes sense. Drive is the most prominent and at the lowest position. Reverse you must pull backwards (novel idea...LOL!). Park is at the top. Not sure I've used neutral more than 5 times in any given year.

On the TLX, the gear took a split second to go into gear. In the Accord, it's instantaneous because it really doesn't have a transmission per se. You hit the button you want and go...no waiting for the transmission to engage.

When I test drove the Bronco, it had a dial to select the gear. I had to look down to see where I needed to go to choose what I wanted to do. But, I'd wager after a brief adjustment period, it was become 2nd nature, too.

I would imagine it is the same for someone using a stalk in a Mercedes to engage the transmission. A little adjustment period at first, but then it becomes 2nd nature.

Overall, I like the new dial/button selectors.

As an aside, I've read where others bemoan the end of parking brake handles. On the TLX and now the Accord, it's an electronic parking brake. You stop the car and turn it off, the parking brake automatically engages. You start it back up and put it in gear, and the parking brake releases. Easy-Peezy!

The problem with electronic parking brakes is that they add another level of complexity to a brake job; I have the Carly App so I'm good, but if you don't have an equivalent interface for your car good luck replacing the rear pads.

sda

You can’t modulate the force of an electronic brake either. It’s on or off. I know I’ve used a manual emergency brake to progressively stop a car without locking up the rear wheels.

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

OK… the only reason I clicked this link was because the 280ZX pictured in that bronze color was similar to a car I owned at one time. But, I need someone to translate this version of English for me….

https://www.hotcars.com/1979-nissan-280zx-cost-today/

Being that I’m not all that good with English myself, I can’t help you with that. But as I understand it the Germans got the credit for naming the old Nissan car company Datsun.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

@jmonroe1 said:
Being that I’m not all that good with English myself, I can’t help you with that. But as I understand it the Germans got the credit for naming the old Nissan car company Datsun.

jmonroe

I have heard two versions of that joke.

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

In the ID.4 we just ordered, the gear selector is a twist knob next to the gauge cluster:



Twist forward to select "Drive" or "Brake" - the latter turns on one-pedal mode.

Twist backward for reverse.

Button on the end engages Park and the parking brake.

Had an uncle who had a Chrysler something or other that looked like this. I remember it having a push button transmission (which at the time, I thought was pretty cool).

https://images.app.goo.gl/ixkz7NVKzXPDLxes7

Now that brings back some fond memories. I learned to drive on my Father’s new push button drive ‘58 Plymouth Sport Suburban station wagon. Still remember going to the drive-in many times with that car. That was so much fun it bordered on being illegal.

jmonroe

henryn

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

This guy tried to haul a full load of bricks in his Sienna;

They say the repair will be about $1000, a U-Haul trailer would have been $20.

And my wife wondered why I took four trips to get our paver blocks home.

There used to be a grass farm outside of town (well outside, about 25 miles) which would sell you a pallet of St Augustine. No smaller sizes, you had to buy a pallet. The good news was you knew the grass was freshly cut. The bad news was that a pallet weighed somewhere between 1,500 and 3,000 pounds. Freshly cut, and the sod itself full of water, the weight was going to be closer to 3,000. I had at the time a Ford F250 with overload springs, and I could handle the weight. But I watched them unload a pallet onto a half ton truck with a fork lift, with immediate very bad results. The guy working the fork lift tried to warn him, but he was sure his truck could handle it.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

@jmonroe1 said:

Being that I’m not all that good with English myself, I can’t help you with that. But as I understand it the Germans got the credit for naming the old Nissan car company Datsun.

jmonroe

I have heard two versions of that joke.

OK, I give up....what are the jokes? Does it rely on a play on words, Ni Son and Dat son?

mjfloyd1

@graphicguy said:
Had the button transmission in both my TLX and now in the Accord. Really, after the first couple of days in the TLX, my hand fell readily to whatever push/pull I was wanting. Plus, in addition to being in different places on the console, the buttons are a different feel/shape.

Makes sense. Drive is the most prominent and at the lowest position. Reverse you must pull backwards (novel idea...LOL!). Park is at the top. Not sure I've used neutral more than 5 times in any given year.

On the TLX, the gear took a split second to go into gear. In the Accord, it's instantaneous because it really doesn't have a transmission per se. You hit the button you want and go...no waiting for the transmission to engage.

When I test drove the Bronco, it had a dial to select the gear. I had to look down to see where I needed to go to choose what I wanted to do. But, I'd wager after a brief adjustment period, it was become 2nd nature, too.

I would imagine it is the same for someone using a stalk in a Mercedes to engage the transmission. A little adjustment period at first, but then it becomes 2nd nature.

Overall, I like the new dial/button selectors.

As an aside, I've read where others bemoan the end of parking brake handles. On the TLX and now the Accord, it's an electronic parking brake. You stop the car and turn it off, the parking brake automatically engages. You start it back up and put it in gear, and the parking brake releases. Easy-Peezy!

Agreed. The Honda Hybrid transmission controls are logical and easy to use.

jipster

After much too much deliberation, I'm having a Bryant HVAC system installed tomorrow. 4 ton condenser with a 2 stage compressor. The furnace is a 2 stage multi speed blower rated at 90% efficiency. The installer is someone who has previously done repair work for me. They had the best price, and I trust them. So fairly easy decision.

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
OK, I give up....what are the jokes? Does it rely on a play on words, Ni Son and Dat son?

Sorta but not quite.

jmonroe

benjaminh

The first incident in this 12-minute Tesla crash compilation shows a Model Y hydroplaning on 101 in San Louis Obispo. The tires only had 16k miles on them. The lessons seem to be to slow down and also maybe get better tires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H2Ion6Ue3s

kyfdx

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

OK, I give up....what are the jokes? Does it rely on a play on words, Ni Son and Dat son?

Sorta but not quite.

jmonroe

Lets just give this one up..

kyfdx

jipster said:

After much too much deliberation, I'm having a Bryant HVAC system installed tomorrow. 4 ton condenser with a 2 stage compressor. The furnace is a 2 stage multi speed blower rated at 90% efficiency. The installer is someone who has previously done repair work for me. They had the best price, and I trust them. So fairly easy decision.

I'll guess the efficiency is 94%-98% for the gas furnace. I don't think they make 90%, any more. When my local company installed mine in 2016, it was Lennox. But, now they are all Bryant, and that's what they installed in my son's house in 2021.

Have you received the settlement from the insurance company?

driver100

benjaminh said:

The first incident in this 12-minute Tesla crash compilation shows a Model Y hydroplaning on 101 in San Louis Obispo. The tires only had 16k miles on them. The lessons seem to be to slow down and also maybe get better tires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H2Ion6Ue3s

Actually, the tires look very new, and the tread looks good! They even said that in the video.
But, he did have the "Regen Brakes" on. I had to look that up;
In a battery-powered electric vehicle, regenerative braking (also called regen) is the conversion of the vehicle’s kinetic energy into chemical energy stored in the battery, where it can be used later to drive the vehicle. It is braking because it also serves to slow the vehicle.

Sudden braking may have caused the car to slide out of control. It sounds similar to using cruise control, when the roads are wet - it is too easy to lose control.

driver100

mjfloyd1 said:

@graphicguy said:

Had the button transmission in both my TLX and now in the Accord. Really, after the first couple of days in the TLX, my hand fell readily to whatever push/pull I was wanting. Plus, in addition to being in different places on the console, the buttons are a different feel/shape.

Makes sense. Drive is the most prominent and at the lowest position. Reverse you must pull backwards (novel idea...LOL!). Park is at the top. Not sure I've used neutral more than 5 times in any given year.

On the TLX, the gear took a split second to go into gear. In the Accord, it's instantaneous because it really doesn't have a transmission per se. You hit the button you want and go...no waiting for the transmission to engage.

When I test drove the Bronco, it had a dial to select the gear. I had to look down to see where I needed to go to choose what I wanted to do. But, I'd wager after a brief adjustment period, it was become 2nd nature, too.

I would imagine it is the same for someone using a stalk in a Mercedes to engage the transmission. A little adjustment period at first, but then it becomes 2nd nature.

Overall, I like the new dial/button selectors.

As an aside, I've read where others bemoan the end of parking brake handles. On the TLX and now the Accord, it's an electronic parking brake. You stop the car and turn it off, the parking brake automatically engages. You start it back up and put it in gear, and the parking brake releases. Easy-Peezy!

Agreed. The Honda Hybrid transmission controls are logical and easy to use.

The Honda Hybrid transmission controls seem pretty good....each gear is very distinctive.
Reviewers complain about the dial......some said it is too easy to get the wrong gear, and you have to look at what you are doing.
The small stick in the MB is easy to use and it is easy to use while your hands are on the steering wheel.
My 2012 BMW had the bar tap. The first time I took one for a test drive I was on the dealer lot, there was another car coming toward me...only one could get through. I was going to back up but couldn't find reverse, so the other guy finally backed up. I forget how you do it, maybe pull up or push down, but it wasn't intuitive, you had to know what to do.
Overall, I like just a regular gear shift like the 2014 C250 has. It is straight forward, it makes sense.

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
OK, I give up....what are the jokes? Does it rely on a play on words, Ni Son and Dat son?

Yes play on words.

---

Japan: Hey Germany we just started a new car company but we need a name for it. Since you are good at creating automotive names can you help us?

Germany: Ja sure, when do you need it?

Japan: By tomorrow morning.

Germany: Dat soon?

---

Carl Benz: Honey I just made another automobile.

Bertha Benz: Oh please tell me you're not going to name it after one of our daughters again.

Carl: No I'm going to name it after on of our sons.

Bertha: Which one?

Carl: (pointing) Dat son.

graphicguy

andres3 said:

graphicguy said:

ab348 said:

To illustrate how the Canadian car market is different from that in the US, I looked at Honda Canada's website to get up to speed on the Accord Touring hybrid. Here they are available in your choice of white or black paint, and only with a black interior. So GG's new ride would be a unicorn here in terms of colors.

What? No red? Sacrilege!

Interior…..lighting…daylight!

I like it! Maybe that could be my daily in 1 year when you're ready to part with it!

Who knows? You may be able to get it if I am able to flip it for a profit.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:

OK, I give up....what are the jokes? Does it rely on a play on words, Ni Son and Dat son?

Germany: Dat soon?

Carl: (pointing) Dat son.

Thanks.....sorry I asked.

graphicguy

driver100 said:

This guy tried to haul a full load of bricks in his Sienna;

They say the repair will be about $1000, a U-Haul trailer would have been $20.

I know there’s a “junk guy” who has a ratted out S10 pickup loaded way over payload and stacked high enough to worry me if I see him on the road. I live on a cul-de-sac, so he’s easy to spot. But, every trash day/night he makes a run down my street to do some “picking”.

Some of the neighbors get their tighty-whiteys in a bunch about this. Me? Hey, the guy is taking stuff that we put out as trash, so no harm-no foul. I’m more concerned he’ll lose part of his load on one of the main thoroughfares and end up strewing road hazards all over the place.

I doubt the shocks on his S10 have any fluid in them. And, my bet is the frame looks like Swiss cheese. But, there’s no loud exhaust leak that I can ascertain.

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
Thanks.....sorry I asked.

Oh come on we all know that at least put a smile on your face.

explorerx4

Our town is having Bulky Waste pickup this week.
Here is what we have left to be picked up for now.
A bunch of it was already taken by pickers.

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:
OK, I give up....what are the jokes? Does it rely on a play on words, Ni Son and Dat son?

Yes play on words.

---

Japan: Hey Germany we just started a new car company but we need a name for it. Since you are good at creating automotive names can you help us?

Germany: Ja sure, when do you need it?

Japan: By tomorrow morning.

Germany: Dat soon?

---

Carl Benz: Honey I just made another automobile.

Bertha Benz: Oh please tell me you're not going to name it after one of our daughters again.

Carl: No I'm going to name it after on of our sons.

Bertha: Which one?

Carl: (pointing) Dat son.

I only heard the first one. The one that we can’t mention in here must be a doozy.

jmonroe

stickguy

I can’t wait to do that! My wife might have a complete breakdown though.

jmonroe1

@explorerx4 said:
Our town is having Bulky Waste pickup this week.
Here is what we have left to be picked up for now.
A bunch of it was already taken by pickers.

Is there any chance you can hold off on that for a few months? My Son was thinking about staging a room or two for flip #4 when we list it.

jmonroe

explorerx4

@jmonroe1,
Come on out and get it. One of the neighbors has a whole bedroom set out on the curb.

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

@jmonroe1,
Come on out and get it. One of the neighbors has a whole bedroom set out on the curb.

————————————————

Can you gather up all of that stuff, put it in a Pod then rent a larger U-Haul and deliver it to us on your next trip to Ohio? We’ll split the U-Haul cost with ya.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

@explorerx4 said:
Our town is having Bulky Waste pickup this week.
Here is what we have left to be picked up for now.
A bunch of it was already taken by pickers.

Our service wouldn't consider any of that as bulk.

snakeweasel

@graphicguy said:
I know there’s a “junk guy” who has a ratted out S10 pickup loaded way over payload and stacked high enough to worry me if I see him on the road. I live on a cul-de-sac, so he’s easy to spot. But, every trash day/night he makes a run down my street to do some “picking”.

Some of the neighbors get their tighty-whiteys in a bunch about this. Me? Hey, the guy is taking stuff that we put out as trash, so no harm-no foul. I’m more concerned he’ll lose part of his load on one of the main thoroughfares and end up strewing road hazards all over the place.

I doubt the shocks on his S10 have any fluid in them. And, my bet is the frame looks like Swiss cheese. But, there’s no loud exhaust leak that I can ascertain.

I don't mind them as they often take stuff that the trash guys won't.

ab348

Leaving that gas can on top of the pile looks like an invitation for a bonfire.

ab348

snakeweasel said:

I don't mind them as they often take stuff that the trash guys won't.

A few years ago I had my electric hot water heater replaced. The plumbers carried the old one out to the end of the driveway and then carried in the new one to install. I wasn't paying attention but assumed they loaded the old one on their truck. Imagine my surprise when the van left the driveway to reveal the old one sitting on the curb. I was irritated by that but need not have been as that evening I looked out and it was already gone. I gather the local junk-pickers spotted it and snagged it. I guess the plumbers knew more about that than I did.

explorerx4

Everything just got taken away except the gas can!
I thought one of the pickers might take it, but the town took everything shortly after I put the can out there.

jipster

@kyfdx said:
I'll guess the efficiency is 94%-98% for the gas furnace. I don't think they make 90%, any more. When my local company installed mine in 2016, it was Lennox. But, now they are all Bryant, and that's what they installed in my son's house in 2021.

Have you received the settlement from the insurance company?

Hmmm, well my estimate shows a 90% efficiency furnace. So, hopefully they're not installing some leftover antique furnace.

The field adjuster just came out a couple hours ago. The guy was like 6'8". Played ball at N.C Ashville. He was inspecting damages while my hvac people were installing the new system. My HVAC guy said I could pay 70% of bill and then the remaining in 2 weeks when my settlement comes in.

explorerx4

I found this one pretty quickly, 80% efficiency.
https://www.alpinehomeair.com/product/furnaces-heaters/forced-air/natural-gas-lp/goodman/gm9s800804bn?linkfrom=froogle&campaign=All_Products_PLA&content=All_Products&keyword=453086760&msclkid=958ee69923131d3d070484f3f850345c&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ALL PRODUCTS PLA&utm_term=4576923311626467&utm_content=All Products

snakeweasel

@explorerx4 said:
Everything just got taken away except the gas can!
I thought one of the pickers might take it, but the town took everything shortly after I put the can out there.

I am not surprised that they didn't take the gas can as it is a storage unit for gasoline. Usually hazardous material containers are not collected with regular trash.