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andres3

sda said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

Slow cars require a higher level of driving skill. If you can't do it, then you don't have it.

Yes, you need skill to do it or you will have big time problems. I had to do it with the 2013 Passat which was about as slow as a fairly modern car could be. But, if possible, why have all that stress, if you can eliminate it and make life more enjoyable, by buying more horses?
Interestingly, the new manual Passat was the same price as the 3 year old 2014 C250 with 12k miles on it at the time..........there is no comparison in my mind which car is better.

No question they are a different caliber of car.

Didn't they offer the Passat with decent engines once upon a time. I think there were years where it was available with the big V6 3.6, and then there's the ol' reliable 2.0T. I was never a fan of the 1.8T in VW's (though with a tune, the more recent 1.8 in the Alltrack was pretty good).

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

sda said:

jmonroe1 said:

roadburner said:

benjaminh said:

A Toyota with an engine failure at 180k, even though the car got regular oil changes at the dealership at 10k intervals. This car care guy blames the 10k oil change intervals promoted by Toyota, and says yet again to change your oil more frequently if you really want your engine to last. Customer decided to get a new/rebuilt engine, because four months ago new car prices were so high.

The cost of the new/rebuilt engine is about $6000.

But according to this guy, this all could have been avoided if he'd changed the oil twice as often. That would have cost about $1000 more than the 10k oil changes that he did. So obviously a savings of about $5k.

This again highlights how a $20k cost for batteries for a new EV is way more than even a new engine on a Toyota or Honda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0

The correct oil change interval(OCI) depends on the engine, the oil, and the driving conditions. Blackstone advised me that I could go with a 10k mile OCI using Mobil 1 5W-30, but I used a 7.5k OCI so it would sync with the rest of the maintenance schedule.
My son's 328i has only had 15k mile oil changes(using BMW 0W-30 synthetic) and is going strong at 140k miles- here's how it looked when we changed the valve cover gasket at 108k miles:

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When Mrs. j’s ‘05 XG 350 blew its engine in November of 2012 it had something around 42K miles IIRC. I was at the dealership when it was towed in. I opened the glove box and got out my now infamous oil change log sheet showing all of the oil changes that were done on that car and gave it to the Service Advisor. As the SA was looking at my log sheet the tech showed up and the SA said to him, “look at all the oil changes that car has had”. The tech glanced at my log and said, “that doesn’t surprise me because that engine is immaculate” (those were his exact words). I didn’t see the engine but it couldn’t have been any cleaner than your sons engine.

It’s almost amazing how clean an engine can be when you change the oil on time (and sooner in my case) with quality oil.

jmonroe

I don’t remember the end result but didn’t Hyundai tell you to pound sand or did they help you in any way?

Hyundai replaced my engine no questions asked.

You should have coached JMonroe.
Actually, they were a little different if I recall correctly, yours was because of a recall or faulty parts....his was, well, because he made a booboo.

The one I had before that cracked an exhaust manifold at around 139K miles. Hyundai replaced that one for free no questions asked. I am rather happy with their responses to issues.

sda

andres3 said:

sda said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

Slow cars require a higher level of driving skill. If you can't do it, then you don't have it.

Yes, you need skill to do it or you will have big time problems. I had to do it with the 2013 Passat which was about as slow as a fairly modern car could be. But, if possible, why have all that stress, if you can eliminate it and make life more enjoyable, by buying more horses?
Interestingly, the new manual Passat was the same price as the 3 year old 2014 C250 with 12k miles on it at the time..........there is no comparison in my mind which car is better.

No question they are a different caliber of car.

Didn't they offer the Passat with decent engines once upon a time. I think there were years where it was available with the big V6 3.6, and then there's the ol' reliable 2.0T. I was never a fan of the 1.8T in VW's (though with a tune, the more recent 1.8 in the Alltrack was pretty good).

VW did offer the 3.6 VR-6. In 2018 they offered a value GT model with the 3.6, slightly lowered stance, some special touches for $30k. 2018 was the last year the 3.6 was offered in the Passat.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

For some reason people don’t want used books. I once approached a used book store to sell a bunch of novels we had paid $6-$10 for new. His offer: 10 cents apiece.

Yet people tend to worship libraries which deal in used books. (Yes, I know they now usually offer e-books too)

Some folks have a true obsession with books. I have a few I follow on social media who seem to be in an annual competition as to how many books they can read in a year. Now that we’re nearly there, one posted yesterday that she had finished 148 books this year and hoped to finish 4 more before Sunday.

I like to read, but that sort of thing I just don’t get.

stickguy

the Passat just had a normal V6. not the VR6.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

When I was in college I had very large very loud parties at my house when my parents were on trips. The thing was, my house is located over 1/2 mile from the nearest house. No complaints, no police visits. When I was a judge in juvie court I'd occasionally have a case where some kids had a party with lots of underage drinking when their parents were gone- but of course it was a house in the middle of a subdivision so the invariably the police were called. I wanted to(but never did) tell the kids I was finding them guilty- of rank stupidity-for attempting to pull off a wild party in a quiet subdivision...

We did that once, got busted and henceforth moved our celebrations to the woods where the hazards were limited to rolling down a hill or getting bit by wildlife.

I grew up in a small town, and most everyone lived outside of town, in the "boonies". So naturally, all partying was done far away from prying eyes. I suppose life must be very different for an inner-city kid.

As someone with a bit of experience in a college town with quiet subdivision homes next to each other, the secret to a house party is to discuss the party with the neighbors in advance, and probably invite them! If you have an uncool neighbor, that prefers sleep to partying, then at least you know it beforehand so your not surprised when the cops show up.

I remember the old fuddy duddies in town actually proposed a 1984 law where homeowners would be responsible to "card" people to make sure they were 21 and over if they were to be drinking. I don't think it passed; but not really 100% sure.

Many states have laws making the homeowners responsible if there is underage drinking. However I seriously doubt a law requiring homeowners seeing an ID for people who are drinking on their proterty would pass judicial muster.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

When I was in college I had very large very loud parties at my house when my parents were on trips. The thing was, my house is located over 1/2 mile from the nearest house. No complaints, no police visits. When I was a judge in juvie court I'd occasionally have a case where some kids had a party with lots of underage drinking when their parents were gone- but of course it was a house in the middle of a subdivision so the invariably the police were called. I wanted to(but never did) tell the kids I was finding them guilty- of rank stupidity-for attempting to pull off a wild party in a quiet subdivision...

We did that once, got busted and henceforth moved our celebrations to the woods where the hazards were limited to rolling down a hill or getting bit by wildlife.

I grew up in a small town, and most everyone lived outside of town, in the "boonies". So naturally, all partying was done far away from prying eyes. I suppose life must be very different for an inner-city kid.

As someone with a bit of experience in a college town with quiet subdivision homes next to each other, the secret to a house party is to discuss the party with the neighbors in advance, and probably invite them! If you have an uncool neighbor, that prefers sleep to partying, then at least you know it beforehand so your not surprised when the cops show up.

I remember the old fuddy duddies in town actually proposed a 1984 law where homeowners would be responsible to "card" people to make sure they were 21 and over if they were to be drinking. I don't think it passed; but not really 100% sure.

Many states have laws making the homeowners responsible if there is underage drinking. However I seriously doubt a law requiring homeowners seeing an ID for people who are drinking on their proterty would pass judicial muster.

Interesting law, most students are "renters" or "leasees" while in college, rarely an owner. Now that would be an interesting bill from the landlord, a "noise violation" ticket fine.

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

if nothing else it will empty a few boxes. and I probably should get rid of the rest of the stuff I will never have a use for.

I could ship you at least 3 storage bins worth of records, and 2 or 3 boxes of books that I found in that dark corner of storage.

At some point back in the 90s, I gave away all of my record albums. Several hundred, no real count. I kept the books for a lot longer, but finally gave away the great majority 2 years ago. Funny thing with that, I had a hard time finding an outfit that would accept books. No one wanted them, claimed they already had too many. The main Goodwill donation location agreed to accept them, but I had the feeling they were probably going to throw them away.

One guy who ran a big used book store told me he had a warehouse full, and was going to throw away the majority. Contrast that with how much it costs to actually buy a book these days. When I was a kid, I could buy paperback books for 25 cents. Just as a comparison, a pack of cigarettes from a vending machine cost 35 cents. These days, that pack of cigarettes is around $7, and most of that $7 is in "sin taxes". While the paperback book costs $7, $8, or $9, with no tax other than sales tax.

For some reason people don’t want used books. I once approached a used book store to sell a bunch of novels we had paid $6-$10 for new. His offer: 10 cents apiece.

At least he was offering to take them off your hands. I was trying to give away a pickup truck load, a 6.5' pickup truck bed, jammed with boxes full of books. About 90% paperbacks, 10% hard covers. And the hard covers all had the jackets and were in good condition. The DAV and the local Goodwill store would not accept them. Two used bookstores, including one large chain (HalfPrice Books), would not take them for free. Eventually the central Goodwill receiving station agreed to take them, but I suspicion they wound up in a land fill.

iluvmysephia1

I am really saddened by the 4 college kids getting murdered in Idaho. Now they have their guy - my son said "you better believe they're gonna televise his trial." My first thought after his statement was brought forth as a reaction, and I thought "yes, it will."

Then, after more thought, I said "he's a death penalty case." Why should this guy even get a trial? I don't think he deserves one. And I don't know if Idaho is a death penalty state.

A side thought is an adorable heeler puppy was skinned alive just days before their murders. I wonder if the same guy skinned the puppy. What a total sicko!

imidazol97

Of course he's innocent until proven guilty. I'll look for all the evidence as it's presented
in trial, not the evidence as the media presents it.

roadburner

imidazol97 said:

Of course he's innocent until proven guilty. I'll look for all the evidence as it's presented
in trial, not the evidence as the media presents it.

And in my experience, very few cases are a slam-dunk- murder or otherwise.

roadburner

The Club Sport, Clubman, and Wrangler all run the quarter in around 16 seconds or more. I never have a problem keeping up with or merging into traffic. It's just a matter of paying attention and making sure that you are in the right gear.

sda

stickguy said:

the Passat just had a normal V6. not the VR6.

I have to admit you got me thinking…

AvailableFeatures part1of2 *(SOPforV6GTisCW50/17)
2018 Passat
2.0T 3.6L V6
Performance
2.0L TSI®, 174 HP / 184 lbs-ft, DOHC 16-valve, turbocharged 4-cylinder engine w/ direct fuel injection S S S S S — —
3.6L VR6®, 280 HP / 258 lbs-ft, DOHC 24-valve, narrow-angle V6 engine w/ FSI® direct fuel injection — — — — — S S
S R-Line® SE SE w/ SEL GT* SEL
Tech. Premium
Premium
6-speed automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® S S S S S — —
6-speed DSG® automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® — — — — — S S
Front-wheel-drive S S S S S S S
Electro-mechanical

oldfarmer50

I saw one of these in front of Lowe’s today.




Can’t imagine he was hauling lumber.

snakeweasel

@iluvmysephia1 said:
I am really saddened by the 4 college kids getting murdered in Idaho. Now they have their guy - my son said "you better believe they're gonna televise his trial." My first thought after his statement was brought forth as a reaction, and I thought "yes, it will."

Then, after more thought, I said "he's a death penalty case." Why should this guy even get a trial? I don't think he deserves one. And I don't know if Idaho is a death penalty state.

A side thought is an adorable heeler puppy was skinned alive just days before their murders. I wonder if the same guy skinned the puppy. What a total sicko!

Why should he get a trial? Because he just might be innocent and the state has to prove that he did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

kyfdx

sda said:

stickguy said:

the Passat just had a normal V6. not the VR6.

I have to admit you got me thinking…

AvailableFeatures part1of2 *(SOPforV6GTisCW50/17)
2018 Passat
2.0T 3.6L V6
Performance
2.0L TSI®, 174 HP / 184 lbs-ft, DOHC 16-valve, turbocharged 4-cylinder engine w/ direct fuel injection S S S S S — —
3.6L VR6®, 280 HP / 258 lbs-ft, DOHC 24-valve, narrow-angle V6 engine w/ FSI® direct fuel injection — — — — — S S
S R-Line® SE SE w/ SEL GT* SEL
Tech. Premium
Premium
6-speed automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® S S S S S — —
6-speed DSG® automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® — — — — — S S
Front-wheel-drive S S S S S S S
Electro-mechanical

Man... why put a 174 HP 2.0 litre in that car, when they already had a 200-220 hp unit available?

mjfloyd1

@kyfdx said:
Man... why put a 174 HP 2.0 litre in that car, when they already had a 200-220 hp unit available?

Gas mileage?

kyfdx

mjfloyd1 said:

@kyfdx said:

Man... why put a 174 HP 2.0 litre in that car, when they already had a 200-220 hp unit available?

Gas mileage?

Maybe, but I get 36 mpg in the GTI with that engine on the highway.. and, that's with a stick, which is usually a negative in a modern vehicle.

Seems counter-intuitive to make your mainstream sedan slower than an Accord or a Camry

mjfloyd1

Why you speakin’ European? Litre??😂

kyfdx

mjfloyd1 said:

Why you speakin’ European? Litre??😂

Because I'm not from Hoosierville..

mjfloyd1

Ouch

driver100

andres3 said:

sda said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

Slow cars require a higher level of driving skill. If you can't do it, then you don't have it.

Yes, you need skill to do it or you will have big time problems. I had to do it with the 2013 Passat which was about as slow as a fairly modern car could be. But, if possible, why have all that stress, if you can eliminate it and make life more enjoyable, by buying more horses?
Interestingly, the new manual Passat was the same price as the 3 year old 2014 C250 with 12k miles on it at the time..........there is no comparison in my mind which car is better.

No question they are a different caliber of car.

Didn't they offer the Passat with decent engines once upon a time. I think there were years where it was available with the big V6 3.6, and then there's the ol' reliable 2.0T. I was never a fan of the 1.8T in VW's (though with a tune, the more recent 1.8 in the Alltrack was pretty good).

It was a 5 cylinder which was slower than most 4s. I guess they added a turbocharger at some point just to bring it up to safety standards.

stickguy

the GTI engine would get lower mileage and require premium. And probably costs more. Not what they would be looking for in a family sedan.

I didn't realize they added the VR6 late in the cars run for the sporty model. Up to then it was always the traditional V6

driver100

kyfdx said:

sda said:

stickguy said:

the Passat just had a normal V6. not the VR6.

I have to admit you got me thinking…

AvailableFeatures part1of2 *(SOPforV6GTisCW50/17)
2018 Passat
2.0T 3.6L V6
Performance
2.0L TSI®, 174 HP / 184 lbs-ft, DOHC 16-valve, turbocharged 4-cylinder engine w/ direct fuel injection S S S S S — —
3.6L VR6®, 280 HP / 258 lbs-ft, DOHC 24-valve, narrow-angle V6 engine w/ FSI® direct fuel injection — — — — — S S
S R-Line® SE SE w/ SEL GT* SEL
Tech. Premium
Premium
6-speed automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® S S S S S — —
6-speed DSG® automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® — — — — — S S
Front-wheel-drive S S S S S S S
Electro-mechanical

Man... why put a 174 HP 2.0 litre in that car, when they already had a 200-220 hp unit available?

2013 Passat:
3.6L V6 SEL Premium 4dr Sedan
280 Hp, 258 Lb-Ft., 3446 Weight
5.7 sec, 14.5 @ 96


2.5L S 4dr Sedan
170 Hp, 177 Lb-Ft., 3166 Weight
7.9 sec, 16.3 @ 85
I think ours was this one 0 to 60 in 8 seconds.

kyfdx

stickguy said:

the GTI engine would get lower mileage and require premium. And probably costs more. Not what they would be looking for in a family sedan.

I didn't realize they added the VR6 late in the cars run for the sporty model. Up to then it was always the traditional V6

a) GTI doesn't require premium. It's basically the same engine they were using in the Passat, before they dropped that other turd into it.

b) It gets very good mileage, relatively.

tjc78

@roadburner @graphicguy
A good buddy of mine just settled on a new home with a theater room. Place is done up to the nines, three rows of seating, woodwork to die for, custom cabinetry and theater style carpet. Just pure perfection.

It was done when the house was built in 2006, so the projector doesn’t have HDMI and we spent some time looking up replacement options for that. The previous owner had the settings all jacked up so I worked some magic on it. Turned out the tweeter was blown on the center channel, so I swapped that out for one of his from the old house. Big improvement right there. Also need to swap out the sub. I steered him to a new Yamaha 7.1 receiver and he is most likely getting a LG laser 4K projector.

He has a team installing all his flat screens throughout, and they are going to install the projector and pull new cables to it. Once that is done I’ll come over and optimize everything.

He said he loves the look of the room, but he felt the sound and picture in my room was much better. I said with the upgrades you just put in motion you’ll be on your way. The previous owner spent a ton of money on the look of the room, but kinda skimped out on the equipment. Very basic Denon receiver, smallish JBL sub and JBL Northridge all the way around. For the level of craftsmanship in there I would have thought higher end equipment would have been used.

oldfarmer50

Here’s a pot-stirring question that I got involved in on another board:

Which current AWD sports sedans exceed the performance of the Mitsubishi EVO X which was discontinued in 2015?

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

mjfloyd1

Here is a good EVO write up

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15102392/2015-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-final-edition-test-review/

iluvmysephia1

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

I'm looking at old Mitsubishi Eclipses and Toyota Celica's now to go along with all the others I've stacked up. The list could be pared to just one if I find just the right rig. I'm losing excitement for the Mazda Miata but adding excitement for that 2001 Volkswagen Cabrio GLS Convertible 2D. I really think that that car would take care of my driving needs but I'm starting to really get attracted to the 2000 Toyota Celica GT Hatchback Coupe 2D, too.

Don't hold your breath waiting for a purchase. That Idaho killer might actually be put to death before I make a decisione'.

Oh, that's the guy that killed those women. They followed him across the nation. Arrested him in Pennsylvania. If Idaho's not a death penalty state he'll be thrown in the slammer for the rest of his life plus those of 50 other men living in Idaho.

No trial required. Tie him up along I-44 in Missouri and smear him up with fresh hamburger. Let the turkey vultures do what comes naturally to them. He didn't give those 4 people and probably a beautiful dog a chance. Why should we?

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Here's a nice supercharged 4.6 for you.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-ford-saleen-extreme/

mjfloyd1

@explorerx4 said:
@oldfarmer50,
Here's a nice supercharged 4.6 for you.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-ford-saleen-extreme/

You can tell that grandma drove it easy - 2/2008 transmission, clutch and driveshaft replaced😂

oldfarmer50

mjfloyd1 said:

Here is a good EVO write up

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15102392/2015-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-final-edition-test-review/

This is what made me a fan:

https://youtu.be/Ees2aZcDUn8

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Here's a nice supercharged 4.6 for you.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-ford-saleen-extreme/

That’s a sweet looking car. From the description it sounds like the 8k miles was done a 1/4 mile at a time.

One of the guys was out in western NY this week at a Ford dealer and in the showroom they had a new Mustang “with a snake on it” that had an $80k sticker with a $20k ADM.

It was marked “sold”.

mjfloyd1

@kyfdx look, that Mitsubishi has a 2 litre engine!

mjfloyd1

iluvmysephia1 said:

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

I'm looking at old Mitsubishi Eclipses and Toyota Celica's now to go along with all the others I've stacked up. The list could be pared to just one if I find just the right rig. I'm losing excitement for the Mazda Miata but adding excitement for that 2001 Volkswagen Cabrio GLS Convertible 2D. I really think that that car would take care of my driving needs but I'm starting to really get attracted to the 2000 Toyota Celica GT Hatchback Coupe 2D, too.

Don't hold your breath waiting for a purchase. That Idaho killer might actually be put to death before I make a decisione'.

Oh, that's the guy that killed those women. They followed him across the nation. Arrested him in Pennsylvania. If Idaho's not a death penalty state he'll be thrown in the slammer for the rest of his life plus those of 50 other men living in Idaho.

No trial required. Tie him up along I-44 in Missouri and smear him up with fresh hamburger. Let the turkey vultures do what comes naturally to them. He didn't give those 4 people and probably a beautiful dog a chance. Why should we?

Ahh, you have no idea what you want then😎

That celica has a messed up drivers front fender and front bumper (maybe the front bumper is just JDM ground effects seen from the side?). That wing is boy racer

henryn

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

sda said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

Slow cars require a higher level of driving skill. If you can't do it, then you don't have it.

Yes, you need skill to do it or you will have big time problems. I had to do it with the 2013 Passat which was about as slow as a fairly modern car could be. But, if possible, why have all that stress, if you can eliminate it and make life more enjoyable, by buying more horses?
Interestingly, the new manual Passat was the same price as the 3 year old 2014 C250 with 12k miles on it at the time..........there is no comparison in my mind which car is better.

No question they are a different caliber of car.

Didn't they offer the Passat with decent engines once upon a time. I think there were years where it was available with the big V6 3.6, and then there's the ol' reliable 2.0T. I was never a fan of the 1.8T in VW's (though with a tune, the more recent 1.8 in the Alltrack was pretty good).

It was a 5 cylinder which was slower than most 4s. I guess they added a turbocharger at some point just to bring it up to safety standards.

To the best of my knowledge, they never put a turbocharger on that 2.5L 5 cylinder engine.

henryn

kyfdx said:

sda said:

stickguy said:

the Passat just had a normal V6. not the VR6.

I have to admit you got me thinking…

AvailableFeatures part1of2 *(SOPforV6GTisCW50/17)
2018 Passat
2.0T 3.6L V6
Performance
2.0L TSI®, 174 HP / 184 lbs-ft, DOHC 16-valve, turbocharged 4-cylinder engine w/ direct fuel injection S S S S S — —
3.6L VR6®, 280 HP / 258 lbs-ft, DOHC 24-valve, narrow-angle V6 engine w/ FSI® direct fuel injection — — — — — S S
S R-Line® SE SE w/ SEL GT* SEL
Tech. Premium
Premium
6-speed automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® S S S S S — —
6-speed DSG® automatic transmission w/ Tiptronic® — — — — — S S
Front-wheel-drive S S S S S S S
Electro-mechanical

Man... why put a 174 HP 2.0 litre in that car, when they already had a 200-220 hp unit available?

Because they wanted to lose customers? My wife had a 2008 Passat, kept it 5 years and 100k miles, loved that car. She drove a new one, with the 2.5L and hated it. The salesman tried to upsell her to a CC, "It has the same engine as your 2008, you'll love it!" She sat in one and immediately asked, "What happened to all of the room?" After that, she refused to even go for a test drive.

qbrozen

@oldfarmer50 said:
Here’s a pot-stirring question that I got involved in on another board:

Which current AWD sports sedans exceed the performance of the Mitsubishi EVO X which was discontinued in 2015?

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

What are you comparing to? The only things that come to my mind are the STi and Golf R, neither of which have evolved much in these 7 years since the EVO left. The Golf, at $6k more than the 2015 evo, is probably better all around now, but I’d guess not significantly so. If DSG is your thing, then it is quicker and more refined, but you are giving up something not fully tangible and paying even more $$.

mjfloyd1

henryn said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

sda said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

Slow cars require a higher level of driving skill. If you can't do it, then you don't have it.

Yes, you need skill to do it or you will have big time problems. I had to do it with the 2013 Passat which was about as slow as a fairly modern car could be. But, if possible, why have all that stress, if you can eliminate it and make life more enjoyable, by buying more horses?
Interestingly, the new manual Passat was the same price as the 3 year old 2014 C250 with 12k miles on it at the time..........there is no comparison in my mind which car is better.

No question they are a different caliber of car.

Didn't they offer the Passat with decent engines once upon a time. I think there were years where it was available with the big V6 3.6, and then there's the ol' reliable 2.0T. I was never a fan of the 1.8T in VW's (though with a tune, the more recent 1.8 in the Alltrack was pretty good).

It was a 5 cylinder which was slower than most 4s. I guess they added a turbocharger at some point just to bring it up to safety standards.

To the best of my knowledge, they never put a turbocharger on that 2.5L 5 cylinder engine.

Audi TTRS has that motor with a turbo

tjc78

@qbrozen said:

@oldfarmer50 said:
Here’s a pot-stirring question that I got involved in on another board:

Which current AWD sports sedans exceed the performance of the Mitsubishi EVO X which was discontinued in 2015?

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

What are you comparing to? The only things that come to my mind are the STi and Golf R, neither of which have evolved much in these 7 years since the EVO left. The Golf, at $6k more than the 2015 evo, is probably better all around now, but I’d guess not significantly so. If DSG is your thing, then it is quicker and more refined, but you are giving up something not fully tangible and paying even more $$.

What about the Civic R? It’s faster than an Evo in the 1/4 and handling is probably a touch better

mjfloyd1

I wonder how the GR Corolla will compare too

roadburner

tjc78 said:

@roadburner @graphicguy

A good buddy of mine just settled on a new home with a theater room. Place is done up to the nines, three rows of seating, woodwork to die for, custom cabinetry and theater style carpet. Just pure perfection.

It was done when the house was built in 2006, so the projector doesn’t have HDMI and we spent some time looking up replacement options for that. The previous owner had the settings all jacked up so I worked some magic on it. Turned out the tweeter was blown on the center channel, so I swapped that out for one of his from the old house. Big improvement right there. Also need to swap out the sub. I steered him to a new Yamaha 7.1 receiver and he is most likely getting a LG laser 4K projector.

He has a team installing all his flat screens throughout, and they are going to install the projector and pull new cables to it. Once that is done I’ll come over and optimize everything.

He said he loves the look of the room, but he felt the sound and picture in my room was much better. I said with the upgrades you just put in motion you’ll be on your way. The previous owner spent a ton of money on the look of the room, but kinda skimped out on the equipment. Very basic Denon receiver, smallish JBL sub and JBL Northridge all the way around. For the level of craftsmanship in there I would have thought higher end equipment would have been used.

I continue to be amazed at how many "Professional" HT installs are just pathetic- they may look good but they sound terrible. I remember one install in a huge room that had to contain triple the cubic feet of my family room; the sub was a 10" Klipsch with less than half the power of the HSU 12" SW in my family room.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Here’s a pot-stirring question that I got involved in on another board:

Which current AWD sports sedans exceed the performance of the Mitsubishi EVO X which was discontinued in 2015?

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

AWD sport sedans that exceed the performance of the EVO X? Well, my C43 for starters. I'd also throw in the Giulia Quadrifoglio, RS3, M340i xDrive, CT4-V Blackwing, and the Golf R.

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

That wing is boy racer

But it adds 50 whp.

tjc78

@roadburner said:
I continue to be amazed at how many "Professional" HT installs are just pathetic- they may look good but they sound terrible. I remember one install in a huge room that had to contain triple the cubic feet of my family room; the sub was a 10" Klipsch with less than half the power of the HSU 12" SW in my family room.

Yep unfortunately this one is all show and no go. I’ll help him get it to spec.

mjfloyd1

roadburner said:

mjfloyd1 said:

That wing is boy racer

But it adds 50 whp.

Ahhh I forgot about that.

Is it just me or is the wing installed backwards? I’d think the center part would create drag as it is installed. Turn it around and you would have downforce with those hypercar speeds that Celica is capable of

qbrozen

@tjc78 said:

@qbrozen said:

@oldfarmer50 said:
Here’s a pot-stirring question that I got involved in on another board:

Which current AWD sports sedans exceed the performance of the Mitsubishi EVO X which was discontinued in 2015?

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

What are you comparing to? The only things that come to my mind are the STi and Golf R, neither of which have evolved much in these 7 years since the EVO left. The Golf, at $6k more than the 2015 evo, is probably better all around now, but I’d guess not significantly so. If DSG is your thing, then it is quicker and more refined, but you are giving up something not fully tangible and paying even more $$.

What about the Civic R? It’s faster than an Evo in the 1/4 and handling is probably a touch better

He said AWD

qbrozen

@roadburner said:
AWD sport sedans that exceed the performance of the EVO X? Well, my C43 for starters. I'd also throw in the Giulia Quadrifoglio, RS3, M340i xDrive, CT4-V Blackwing, and the Golf R.

Pretty sure a price cap was implied. Otherwise, we could throw anything into the mix.

And I’m not so sure about the c43. Too close to call, I believe. A prelim seach tells me the trip to 60 is 4.4 in the evo and 4.6 in the c43. I’m too lazy to look further than that.

tjc78

@qbrozen said:

@tjc78 said:

@qbrozen said:

@oldfarmer50 said:
Here’s a pot-stirring question that I got involved in on another board:

Which current AWD sports sedans exceed the performance of the Mitsubishi EVO X which was discontinued in 2015?

My contention is that other cars have evolved in the succeeding 8 years to the point where the EVO would be outclassed. As much as that was my dream car a decade ago I can’t believe that it wouldn’t be obsolete today.

What are you comparing to? The only things that come to my mind are the STi and Golf R, neither of which have evolved much in these 7 years since the EVO left. The Golf, at $6k more than the 2015 evo, is probably better all around now, but I’d guess not significantly so. If DSG is your thing, then it is quicker and more refined, but you are giving up something not fully tangible and paying even more $$.

What about the Civic R? It’s faster than an Evo in the 1/4 and handling is probably a touch better

He said AWD

Yes he did. Missed that on the first read.

sda

The 06 Passat 2.0t that I had had 200 hp and a 6 sp Aisin automatic, I believe the same automatic that is in my 18. The 06 was significantly quicker and a joy to drive in every way. The 18 still has that solid Germanic feel to it, balanced ride and handling, just dialed down a bit.