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andres3

venture said:

andres3 said:

I would say a car manufacturer/dealer is only responsible to pay for the tow when your car doesn't run on its own. When it drives fine, it's acceptable to have you come get it. Asking for absurdities from a car maker lessens the ability for legitimate claims (warranty) to be handled the way they should be (no muss no fuss).

Insurance companies don't have this issue since it seems they deny both legitimate and absurd claims about equally.

I just figured if it was under warranty and broken enough that it had to be towed it should be returned when fixed.

You have probably owned more Audi's than most of us, consequently you've probably had more tows, so I guess we should defer to you.

90% of my towing experience comes from owning a Dodge, and even in the first 3 years and 36,000 miles, I don't remember free towing being a thing back then. Maybe the 1st year? Roadside assistance??? Only if you had Triple A. Or am I misremembering Dodge in the mid-90's?

I might be forgetting. Like most of the problems with Dodge, all the issues are engineered to start at 36,001 miles, right after the warranty (or any possible roadside assistance).

andres3

mjfloyd1 said:

Audi dealership notified me that Q7 was ready for pickup after 5+ weeks.

Went to pick up this morning. They pulled up and said “faults for all cameras dead”” Nice

Still in Subaru again

Why are you in a Subaru loaner from Audi dealership???. Even when I declined to pay $2,000 for water pump /thermostat housing replacement, I had a Q5 loaner for a weekend, and it was VERY NICE: made me look at SQ5's again (or perhaps for the 1st time since I'm not an SUV guy yet).

mjfloyd1

andres3 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

Audi dealership notified me that Q7 was ready for pickup after 5+ weeks.

Went to pick up this morning. They pulled up and said “faults for all cameras dead”” Nice

Still in Subaru again

Why are you in a Subaru loaner from Audi dealership???. Even when I declined to pay $2,000 for water pump /thermostat housing replacement, I had a Q5 loaner for a weekend, and it was VERY NICE: made me look at SQ5's again (or perhaps for the 1st time since I'm not an SUV guy yet).

Dealership sells Audi/ VW and Subaru. They usually only give rides home

I do agree that I should have a comparable VW group vehicle.

venture

mjfloyd1 said:

andres3 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

Audi dealership notified me that Q7 was ready for pickup after 5+ weeks.

Went to pick up this morning. They pulled up and said “faults for all cameras dead”” Nice

Still in Subaru again

Why are you in a Subaru loaner from Audi dealership???. Even when I declined to pay $2,000 for water pump /thermostat housing replacement, I had a Q5 loaner for a weekend, and it was VERY NICE: made me look at SQ5's again (or perhaps for the 1st time since I'm not an SUV guy yet).

Dealership sells Audi/ VW and Subaru. They usually only give rides home

I do agree that I should have a comparable VW group vehicle.

They probably don't want to frustrate you any more until yours gets fixed.

qbrozen

@andres3 said:
90% of my towing experience comes from owning a Dodge, and even in the first 3 years and 36,000 miles, I don't remember free towing being a thing back then. Maybe the 1st year? Roadside assistance??? Only if you had Triple A. Or am I misremembering Dodge in the mid-90's?

I might be forgetting. Like most of the problems with Dodge, all the issues are engineered to start at 36,001 miles, right after the warranty (or any possible roadside assistance).

36k warranty? Was this in the ‘60s?

qbrozen

@andres3 said:
Why are you in a Subaru loaner from Audi dealership???. Even when I declined to pay $2,000 for water pump /thermostat housing replacement, I had a Q5 loaner for a weekend, and it was VERY NICE: made me look at SQ5's again (or perhaps for the 1st time since I'm not an SUV guy yet).

They have too much work in the shop from customers to also have to fix their own cars.

mjfloyd1

qbrozen said:

@andres3 said:

Why are you in a Subaru loaner from Audi dealership???. Even when I declined to pay $2,000 for water pump /thermostat housing replacement, I had a Q5 loaner for a weekend, and it was VERY NICE: made me look at SQ5's again (or perhaps for the 1st time since I'm not an SUV guy yet).

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They will save the repairs for later with the lifetime CVT fluid😳

snakeweasel

@qbrozen said:

@andres3 said:
90% of my towing experience comes from owning a Dodge, and even in the first 3 years and 36,000 miles, I don't remember free towing being a thing back then. Maybe the 1st year? Roadside assistance??? Only if you had Triple A. Or am I misremembering Dodge in the mid-90's?

I might be forgetting. Like most of the problems with Dodge, all the issues are engineered to start at 36,001 miles, right after the warranty (or any possible roadside assistance).

36k warranty? Was this in the ‘60s?

IIRC Chrysler had a 36 year warranty bumper to bumper in the 80s with a much longer power train warranty. I had two Omnis in the 80s, the first one lasted about 65k miles until someone made an ill advised left turn in front of me. The replacement one went a good deal past 100k before I traded it in.

stickguy

in the 60s you were lucky to get a 12/12

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

@qbrozen said:

@andres3 said:

90% of my towing experience comes from owning a Dodge, and even in the first 3 years and 36,000 miles, I don't remember free towing being a thing back then. Maybe the 1st year? Roadside assistance??? Only if you had Triple A. Or am I misremembering Dodge in the mid-90's?

I might be forgetting. Like most of the problems with Dodge, all the issues are engineered to start at 36,001 miles, right after the warranty (or any possible roadside assistance).

36k warranty? Was this in the ‘60s?

IIRC Chrysler had a 36 year warranty bumper to bumper in the 80s with a much longer power train warranty. I had two Omnis in the 80s, the first one lasted about 65k miles until someone made an ill advised left turn in front of me. The replacement one went a good deal past 100k before I traded it in.

That’s funny, I had a 1980 Omni and I’m pretty sure it only had a 1year/12k mile warranty. I remember this because at about 13k the paint started peeling off the grill under the bumper and I had a heck of a time getting the dealer to repaint it because it was over mileage even though I’d only had it 9 months. I escalated it all the way to Chrysler corporate before they would do it and even then I think they used a rattle can.

I ran it to 122k miles before trading it in.

ab348

Some manufacturer needs to bring back that 36 year warranty.

snakeweasel said:

IIRC Chrysler had a 36 year warranty bumper to bumper in the 80s

kyfdx

'77 Ford: 12 months
'82 Honda: 12 months

qbrozen

Ok, first, I was obviously being a bit facetious.

Second, since it is a matter of breaking down, if major, it is likely a powertrain issue, so we should be talking powertrain warranty. I wonder the last time, if ever, Dodge had a 36k powertrain warranty.

dino001

qbrozen said:

@andres3 said:

90% of my towing experience comes from owning a Dodge, and even in the first 3 years and 36,000 miles, I don't remember free towing being a thing back then. Maybe the 1st year? Roadside assistance??? Only if you had Triple A. Or am I misremembering Dodge in the mid-90's?

I might be forgetting. Like most of the problems with Dodge, all the issues are engineered to start at 36,001 miles, right after the warranty (or any possible roadside assistance).

36k warranty? Was this in the ‘60s?

In sixties you might have got one year or two at best. 3/36 became common in 80s. I think the lowest today is 3/36 btb and 5/60 powertrain (Honda, Toyota), or 4/48 btb (Germans).

nyccarguy

dino001 said:

qbrozen said:

@andres3 said:

90% of my towing experience comes from owning a Dodge, and even in the first 3 years and 36,000 miles, I don't remember free towing being a thing back then. Maybe the 1st year? Roadside assistance??? Only if you had Triple A. Or am I misremembering Dodge in the mid-90's?

I might be forgetting. Like most of the problems with Dodge, all the issues are engineered to start at 36,001 miles, right after the warranty (or any possible roadside assistance).

36k warranty? Was this in the ‘60s?

In sixties you might have got one year or two at best. 3/36 became common in 80s. I think the lowest today is 3/36 btb and 5/60 powertrain (Honda, Toyota), or 4/48 btb (Germans).

Don't ask me why I remember this, but my Dad's 1987 Ford Bronco II XLT had a 12 month/12K factory bumper to bumper warranty. It was a 2 tone truck (before the term SUV was coined) Blue/Silver with a 5-Speed Manual, 4WD, & manual locking front hubs).

dino001

Ha, so 3/36 became common even later then. Wonder who started that race up.

andres3

ab348 said:

Some manufacturer needs to bring back that 36 year warranty.

snakeweasel said:

IIRC Chrysler had a 36 year warranty bumper to bumper in the 80s

36 years only spans two Government Motors warranty backed periods.

andres3

qbrozen said:

Ok, first, I was obviously being a bit facetious.

Second, since it is a matter of breaking down, if major, it is likely a powertrain issue, so we should be talking powertrain warranty. I wonder the last time, if ever, Dodge had a 36k powertrain warranty.

They had the 36K mile powertrain warranty at least long enough to not cover issues with mid-90's Neon's that would routinely occur at 36,000-50,000 miles.

qbrozen

Yup. Good thing Audis are so reliable to wash all those bad memories away.

snakeweasel

@oldfarmer50 said:
That’s funny, I had a 1980 Omni and I’m pretty sure it only had a 1year/12k mile warranty. I remember this because at about 13k the paint started peeling off the grill under the bumper and I had a heck of a time getting the dealer to repaint it because it was over mileage even though I’d only had it 9 months. I escalated it all the way to Chrysler corporate before they would do it and even then I think they used a rattle can.

I ran it to 122k miles before trading it in.

Chrysler introduced the 5 year 50k mile warranty with the 1983 model year and extended that to 7/70 some time later (not sure of the year).

snakeweasel

@andres3 said:
They had the 36K mile powertrain warranty at least long enough to not cover issues with mid-90's Neon's that would routinely occur at 36,000-50,000 miles.

wasn't Chrysler giving 7 years 70k miles in the mid 90s?

ab348

snakeweasel said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

That’s funny, I had a 1980 Omni and I’m pretty sure it only had a 1year/12k mile warranty. I remember this because at about 13k the paint started peeling off the grill under the bumper and I had a heck of a time getting the dealer to repaint it because it was over mileage even though I’d only had it 9 months. I escalated it all the way to Chrysler corporate before they would do it and even then I think they used a rattle can.

I ran it to 122k miles before trading it in.

Chrysler introduced the 5 year 50k mile warranty with the 1983 model year and extended that to 7/70 some time later (not sure of the year).

Actually they first introduced the 5/50 in the 1960s.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

@andres3 said:

They had the 36K mile powertrain warranty at least long enough to not cover issues with mid-90's Neon's that would routinely occur at 36,000-50,000 miles.

wasn't Chrysler giving 7 years 70k miles in the mid 90s?

Chrysler's warranties go up and down like crypto currency. No way to accurately say how long they are at any given point in time. During the Bush/Obama Recession/Depression it was "Lifetime!" But as an owner of a '95 Neon bought new, I'm a pretty accurate data point.

andres3

qbrozen said:

Yup. Good thing Audis are so reliable to wash all those bad memories away.

Yes, they are. I'll take a slightly leaky thermostat housing at 8 years and 65,000 miles over many other ailments you hear about out there.

(Pretty sure my coolant reservoir is still at a reasonable level after filling it about a month ago) - perfectly drivable still. I don't see a tow truck being needed for this; just a little attention now and then.

andres3

Question for the old timers here, when warranties on cars were very short, did they peddle the extended warranties as much as they do today?

jmonroe1

andres3 said:

Question for the old timers here, when warranties on cars were very short, did they peddle the extended warranties as much as they do today?

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I never heard of extended warranties being offered when I bought my ‘66 Bonneville (2 door HT) or my ‘68 Olds Delta 88 Custom (2 door HT).

jmonroe

sda

The first extended warranty I bought was when I bought my first new, not used, car. I t was for a 88 VWFox GL. I think it had a 24 month 24 k mi warranty. I don’t recall the details of the extended warranty, only I was pleasantly surprised to get a pro-rated check back when I traded it.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

Question for the old timers here, when warranties on cars were very short, did they peddle the extended warranties as much as they do today?

I don’t recall ever being offered one back in 80’ or 86’ when I bought new vehicles. Certainly they hadn’t discoverer that profit center in 74’ for our Dodge Charger.

Flash forward to 2020 when they tried to sell me $16k worth of warranties and insurance on an $8k used car.

mjfloyd1

As for us, we bought another Q7 after the first one was rear ended and side swiped by a short school bus. My wife and daughter emerged unscathed and the Q7 was totaled with a broken rear axle and lots of body damage. Wife wanted another Q7 since she felt safe driving it.

It has worked out not so well…but at least we have a loaner and ongoing.

Probably wise to have a discussion with a lemon law lawyer at this juncture

nyccarguy

mjfloyd1 said:

As for us, we bought another Q7 after the first one was rear ended and side swiped by a short school bus. My wife and daughter emerged unscathed and the Q7 was totaled with a broken rear axle and lots of body damage. Wife wanted another Q7 since she felt safe driving it.

It has worked out not so well…but at least we have a loaner and ongoing.

Probably wise to have a discussion with a lemon law lawyer at this juncture

Stinks that you really like the Q7 and it is giving you so much trouble.

clm8

I first bought an extended warranty for my new 79 Camaro. I don't remember the terms or the cost, but I did use it a few times. Build quality was not good. It had a sheet metal screw driven through the bottom of the battery. Took a few months for the acid to eat the screw, then the battery died. That was covered under the original warranty, but I had several other issues that were covered by the extended warranty.

tjc78

My wife treats me right… she went to the liquor store and comes back with this little assortment.

stickguy

Be careful. She wants something and it is going to be expensive. Or have legs.

tjc78

LOL Damage was already done … we got new patio furniture for the shore. Getting ready to assemble part 1 now.

We plenty of things with legs… no more room at the inn!!

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

LOL Damage was already done … we got new patio furniture for the shore. Getting ready to assemble part 1 now.

We plenty of things with legs… no more room at the inn!!

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What’s wrong with legs? The 2 legged blond/brunette/red headed variety are my favorites.

jmonroe

sda

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:

LOL Damage was already done … we got new patio furniture for the shore. Getting ready to assemble part 1 now.

We plenty of things with legs… no more room at the inn!!

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What’s wrong with legs? The 2 legged blond/brunette/red headed variety are my favorites.

jmonroe

Mrs j monroe has been advised. Is the dog house available?

jmonroe1

sda said:

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:

LOL Damage was already done … we got new patio furniture for the shore. Getting ready to assemble part 1 now.

We plenty of things with legs… no more room at the inn!!

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What’s wrong with legs? The 2 legged blond/brunette/red headed variety are my favorites.

jmonroe

Mrs j monroe has been advised. Is the dog house available?

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I graduated from the dog house to the dining room table years ago.

jmonroe

28firefighter

@tjc78 said:
My wife treats me right… she went to the liquor store and comes back with this little assortment.

That’s a nice haul. Great values for the money (assuming you paid retail). I’m looking for a bottle of Eagle Rare because I’m going to be out of mine in the next 6 months and it’ll take time to find.

Let me know what you think of that Basil Hayden. I haven’t had that particular one.

ab348

It's weird up where I live. The provincial liquor board (where I worked for the last 12 years of my career) seems to have lost all interest in the spirits category. It was always difficult for us to get non-mainstream products generally but in recent years they have essentially given up. Yet oddly enough they have oceans of the BT and BH stuff on the shelves, but I have not seen a bottle of Eagle Rare in many years.

tjc78

I had a pour of the Toast last night. It’s good but maybe not a bottle I’d buy again.

28firefighter

tjc78 said:

I had a pour of the Toast last night. It’s good but maybe not a bottle I’d buy again.

I happen to think the "standard" Basil Hayden is great. I had a specialty bottle of theirs that my BIL had a couple weeks ago and thought it was meh.

roadburner

My friend Jeremy Walton has a new book out. I already have several of his books on BMW cars and BMW's racing history, but this book goes into a lot of detail about the cars he drove and competed in.

imidazol97

Another one bites the dust.




https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2024/05/24/suv-ignites-in-flame-outside-family-home/73836547007/

ab348

They ID it as a 2015 Murano. They had multiple recalls for brake fluid leaks that could cause a fire.

qbrozen

Apparently I’m not cool enough to read the article. I see the pic and headline but when I try to scroll, I just get a wall of advertisements.

fintail

I remember my uncle's ~91 Taurus had a similar fate but only the engine bay was ruined, I think some of them had a high pressure hydraulic fluid (steering or transmission) line issue.

snakeweasel

$4.45 a gallon for RUG, PUG is a buck more. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

kyfdx

Costco, last Wednesday in Florence, KY
$3.85 for PUG!

laurasdada

BJs gas yesterday, PUG $3.66. With my cc, $3.51.

mjfloyd1

Last week we pack up Forester stem to stern to partially move oldest to Indy. Rented UHaul a few days later to complete move

Youngest had high school graduation and graduation party yesterday.

I’m wiped out