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Michaell

jipster said:

I had my Hyundai Veracruz in the dealership for some recall work a couple weeks ago. I had a $10 off coupon for an oil change, so I asked if they could fit in an oil change. Absolutely! my service tech says. Says he can do better and give me $20 off. Wonderful, getting better by the minute, I says. I ask what's the total. Service tech says $84 with the discount. I explain I did not want the synthetic oil change. He says that's all they do. I can't believe what I'm hearing. They trying to punk me? So the next day I call and ask to speak to the service manager. The service manager confirms and gives me a long drawn out soliloquy on why. Has anyone here ever heard of such nonsense? This was at @roadburner favorite automotive group... Oxmoor.

Also, did look at a few small to midsize suvs with my wife about a month ago. More to be ready in case something happened to the Veracruz, as it has more than 200,000 miles. Looked at the Honda Pilot, Toyota Rav4, Honda CRV, Hyundai Santa's Fe(looks horrible) and the Hyundai Tucson. Mrs. Jip likes the Pilot, CRV and Tucson... in that order.

You should also look at the Passport. Much like the Pilot, minus the third row.

jipster

Michaell said:

jipster said:

I had my Hyundai Veracruz in the dealership for some recall work a couple weeks ago. I had a $10 off coupon for an oil change, so I asked if they could fit in an oil change. Absolutely! my service tech says. Says he can do better and give me $20 off. Wonderful, getting better by the minute, I says. I ask what's the total. Service tech says $84 with the discount. I explain I did not want the synthetic oil change. He says that's all they do. I can't believe what I'm hearing. They trying to punk me? So the next day I call and ask to speak to the service manager. The service manager confirms and gives me a long drawn out soliloquy on why. Has anyone here ever heard of such nonsense? This was at @roadburner favorite automotive group... Oxmoor.

Also, did look at a few small to midsize suvs with my wife about a month ago. More to be ready in case something happened to the Veracruz, as it has more than 200,000 miles. Looked at the Honda Pilot, Toyota Rav4, Honda CRV, Hyundai Santa's Fe(looks horrible) and the Hyundai Tucson. Mrs. Jip likes the Pilot, CRV and Tucson... in that order.

You should also look at the Passport. Much like the Pilot, minus the third row.

Thanks. Really don't need a 3rd row.

explorerx4

I saw some poor lady trying to drive around a traffic circle today in a Model 3.
She must have had max regen on with 1 pedal driving.
It was lurching around like she was a novice driver.

mjfloyd1

Is it still thought that high mileage cars that have used Dino oil should continue with Dino oils because seals may leak with synthetic?

kyfdx

The price of Modelo is ridiculous, any more.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

Can you guys read or am I not clear on this? LOL. To clarify I am not anti-synthetic. I am anti-dealership!
When a dealership pushes a product (synthetic oil), at the exclusion of a less expensive product the major of customers would prefer (semi-synthetic). It's like going to a sports bar and all they offer is a wacky expensive European beer when all I want is a Modello.

Isn’t Modello what Clint Eastwood drank in TGTB&TU? Sounds wacky expensive to me.☺️

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

Is it still thought that high mileage cars that have used Dino oil should continue with Dino oils because seals may leak with synthetic?

Not anymore.

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

mjfloyd1 said:

Is it still thought that high mileage cars that have used Dino oil should continue with Dino oils because seals may leak with synthetic?

Not anymore.

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That was an old wives tale probably propagated by cheapos like @jipster who wanted to save a buck on oil changes.

No chemist or knowledgeable car guy I ever spoke to, could make that wives tale work. Also, when oil companies started selling synthetic blend oils that’s all I needed to know.

Aside from being a penny pincher, using a blend is pretty much like taking a shower with your skivvies on.

jmonroe

cdnpinhead

mjfloyd1 said:

Is it still thought that high mileage cars that have used Dino oil should continue with Dino oils because seals may leak with synthetic?

That was the case 15-25 years ago (maybe more) because it took the industry awhile to use a rubber compound in o-rings and other seals that didn't shrink in the presence of synthetics. Anything built less that 20 years ago shouldn't have a problem.

ab348

jipster said:

I had my Hyundai Veracruz in the dealership for some recall work a couple weeks ago. I had a $10 off coupon for an oil change, so I asked if they could fit in an oil change. Absolutely! my service tech says. Says he can do better and give me $20 off. Wonderful, getting better by the minute, I says. I ask what's the total. Service tech says $84 with the discount. I explain I did not want the synthetic oil change. He says that's all they do. I can't believe what I'm hearing. They trying to punk me? So the next day I call and ask to speak to the service manager. The service manager confirms and gives me a long drawn out soliloquy on why. Has anyone here ever heard of such nonsense? This was at @roadburner favorite automotive group... Oxmoor.

My GM dealer only uses the GM Dexos oil for changes now, which is synthetic as spec'ed by GM. I don't think you can get dino oil from them unless you want to bring your own.

nyccarguy

cdnpinhead said:

mjfloyd1 said:

Is it still thought that high mileage cars that have used Dino oil should continue with Dino oils because seals may leak with synthetic?

That was the case 15-25 years ago (maybe more) because it took the industry awhile to use a rubber compound in o-rings and other seals that didn't shrink in the presence of synthetics. Anything built less that 20 years ago shouldn't have a problem.

Wow! Facts to back up a post on the internet. Quite a concept.

qbrozen

Different topic:
Travel trailers.

We are just kicking around the idea a bit. Tow it behind the sprinter. Yes, I can, and probably will, put a bed in the sprinter, but nothing will make it capable of sleeping 4 full-sized humans and 2 dogs. I’m limiting us to 5k max dry weight and has a queen plus 2 other separate beds (either bunk beds or couch plus dinette). I’m not against slideouts but would prefer to avoid the extra hassle and potential problems.

Anyway, from reading the interwebs, I’m aware there can be massive differences in build quality. Problem is I have found conflicting opinions. One chat group trashed Coleman/Thor/Dutchman/Keystone (all the same manufacturer) while another group said they are just as good as any other. Same goes for Jayco. Probably more positive talk around Jayco than negative.

Right now, it would appear Jayco must have massive factory incentives because dealers are at about 40% off MSRP. Low enough that used doesn’t make sense when folks want $7k-$8k for a 10-yr-old model vs $14k new.

Yeah, I’d like an airstream, but those things are crazy expensive in comparison.

This is completely new territory for me with foreign concepts.

nyccarguy

"Yeah, I’d like an airstream, but those things are crazy expensive in comparison"

Go big or go home my friend. Seriously though, what is the price difference and why are the airstream trailers so much more expensive?

roadburner

cdnpinhead said:

mjfloyd1 said:

Is it still thought that high mileage cars that have used Dino oil should continue with Dino oils because seals may leak with synthetic?

That was the case 15-25 years ago (maybe more) because it took the industry awhile to use a rubber compound in o-rings and other seals that didn't shrink in the presence of synthetics. Anything built less that 20 years ago shouldn't have a problem.

And if you are still nervous about running synthetic you can use one of the high mileage synthetics that contain gasket/seal conditioners to keep them pliable. In the alternative, just add a can of Liqui Moly Motor Oil Saver at every oil change.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

"Yeah, I’d like an airstream, but those things are crazy expensive in comparison"

Go big or go home my friend. Seriously though, what is the price difference and why are the airstream trailers so much more expensive?

more than quadruple for similar size. Why? I presume the same reason why an Audi costs more than a VW.

kyfdx

Isn't it Thor who makes the Airstream? Not sure how their other brands could be trash.

explorerx4

Best advice I've heard about travel trailers is to get it inspected before you buy, even a new one.
Quality is completely down the drain.

qbrozen

kyfdx said:

Isn't it Thor who makes the Airstream? Not sure how their other brands could be trash.

Looks that way.
No idea. I suppose MAYBE it is like electronics, appliances, or fixtures manufacturers. They build to a price and brand it where it fits.

tjc78

Hey Q … from being in the campground I’ve been around a number of different trailers (we had a park model). Jayco always seemed to be pretty nice inside.

One thing to note most all of them use the same brand of refrigerators, water heaters etc. (Dometic). They have a pretty large support network for repairs and parts.

One thing I’ve always heard (from many other campers) is that the more you pull them around the more things will break and they basically age in dog years.

jipster

qbrozen said:

Different topic:

Travel trailers.

We are just kicking around the idea a bit. Tow it behind the sprinter. Yes, I can, and probably will, put a bed in the sprinter, but nothing will make it capable of sleeping 4 full-sized humans and 2 dogs. I’m limiting us to 5k max dry weight and has a queen plus 2 other separate beds (either bunk beds or couch plus dinette). I’m not against slideouts but would prefer to avoid the extra hassle and potential problems.

Anyway, from reading the interwebs, I’m aware there can be massive differences in build quality. Problem is I have found conflicting opinions. One chat group trashed Coleman/Thor/Dutchman/Keystone (all the same manufacturer) while another group said they are just as good as any other. Same goes for Jayco. Probably more positive talk around Jayco than negative.

Right now, it would appear Jayco must have massive factory incentives because dealers are at about 40% off MSRP. Low enough that used doesn’t make sense when folks want $7k-$8k for a 10-yr-old model vs $14k new.

Yeah, I’d like an airstream, but those things are crazy expensive in comparison.

This is completely new territory for me with foreign concepts.

Also been tossing around the idea of a travel trailer, motor home or 5th wheel. Don't know a lot about them, but have watched a few "Liz Amazing" videos on Youtube. She speaks on the pros and cons of ownership as she travels the country. One of her top recommendations is don't buy anything during the pandemic era... after 2020. They're having a lot of issues with things falling a part, leaks, and electrical problems. Thinks buying 2010-2017 will have better quality. Mrs. Jips and I looked at a Starcraft travel trailer a month or so ago. It was around $23k. Nice. But seemed kind of flimsy to me. Like riding around in a big soup can.

stickguy

Q, just build your own. Maybe get a trailer for a container and a container to go on it. I hear they are all the rage these days.

roadburner

My FIL owned those huge motorhomes. Meh. The Sprinter Airstreams look tolerable. Too bad they cost north of $200k new.

jmonroe1

jipster said:

qbrozen said:

Different topic:

Travel trailers.

We are just kicking around the idea a bit. Tow it behind the sprinter. Yes, I can, and probably will, put a bed in the sprinter, but nothing will make it capable of sleeping 4 full-sized humans and 2 dogs. I’m limiting us to 5k max dry weight and has a queen plus 2 other separate beds (either bunk beds or couch plus dinette). I’m not against slideouts but would prefer to avoid the extra hassle and potential problems.

Anyway, from reading the interwebs, I’m aware there can be massive differences in build quality. Problem is I have found conflicting opinions. One chat group trashed Coleman/Thor/Dutchman/Keystone (all the same manufacturer) while another group said they are just as good as any other. Same goes for Jayco. Probably more positive talk around Jayco than negative.

Right now, it would appear Jayco must have massive factory incentives because dealers are at about 40% off MSRP. Low enough that used doesn’t make sense when folks want $7k-$8k for a 10-yr-old model vs $14k new.

Yeah, I’d like an airstream, but those things are crazy expensive in comparison.

This is completely new territory for me with foreign concepts.

Also been tossing around the idea of a travel trailer, motor home or 5th wheel. Don't know a lot about them, but have watched a few "Liz Amazing" videos on Youtube. She speaks on the pros and cons of ownership as she travels the country. One of her top recommendations is don't buy anything during the pandemic era... after 2020. They're having a lot of issues with things falling a part, leaks, and electrical problems. Thinks buying 2010-2017 will have better quality. Mrs. Jips and I looked at a Starcraft travel trailer a month or so ago. It was around $23k. Nice. But seemed kind of flimsy to me. Like riding around in a big soup can.

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Could explain why the kitchen cabinets come stocked with saltines.

jmonroe

qbrozen

jipster said:

Also been tossing around the idea of a travel trailer, motor home or 5th wheel. Don't know a lot about them, but have watched a few "Liz Amazing" videos on Youtube. She speaks on the pros and cons of ownership as she travels the country. One of her top recommendations is don't buy anything during the pandemic era... after 2020. They're having a lot of issues with things falling a part, leaks, and electrical problems. Thinks buying 2010-2017 will have better quality. Mrs. Jips and I looked at a Starcraft travel trailer a month or so ago. It was around $23k. Nice. But seemed kind of flimsy to me. Like riding around in a big soup can.

That's because they are flimsy and you aren't supposed to ride around in them. :b

jipster

qbrozen said:

jipster said:

Also been tossing around the idea of a travel trailer, motor home or 5th wheel. Don't know a lot about them, but have watched a few "Liz Amazing" videos on Youtube. She speaks on the pros and cons of ownership as she travels the country. One of her top recommendations is don't buy anything during the pandemic era... after 2020. They're having a lot of issues with things falling a part, leaks, and electrical problems. Thinks buying 2010-2017 will have better quality. Mrs. Jips and I looked at a Starcraft travel trailer a month or so ago. It was around $23k. Nice. But seemed kind of flimsy to me. Like riding around in a big soup can.

That's because they are flimsy and you aren't supposed to ride around in them. :b

Chicken, huh? LOL. It's strongly advised not to, due to obvious safety issues, but is legal in about 20 states. Double axle trailers are the way to go.

driver100

Guy has to use an app on his cell phone claiming a prize while going through the McDonalds Drive Thru and a cop sees him using his cell phone while driving....gives him a $580 ticket.

https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/very-expensive-lunch-sask-driver-handed-a-cell-phone-ticket-for-using-points-app-in-mcdonald-s-drive-thru-1.6887468#:~:text=“I'm barely even moving,McDonald's drive-thru in Saskatoon.

qbrozen

jipster said:

but is legal in about 20 states. Double axle trailers are the way to go.

wow. That is surprising. No way of being strapped in, no airbags, no crash structure to speak of. Have you seen the Top Gear where their campers disintegrate just from them driving too fast over rough terrain? Nope, won't catch me riding back there.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Different topic:

Travel trailers.

We are just kicking around the idea a bit. Tow it behind the sprinter. Yes, I can, and probably will, put a bed in the sprinter, but nothing will make it capable of sleeping 4 full-sized humans and 2 dogs. I’m limiting us to 5k max dry weight and has a queen plus 2 other separate beds (either bunk beds or couch plus dinette). I’m not against slideouts but would prefer to avoid the extra hassle and potential problems.

Anyway, from reading the interwebs, I’m aware there can be massive differences in build quality. Problem is I have found conflicting opinions. One chat group trashed Coleman/Thor/Dutchman/Keystone (all the same manufacturer) while another group said they are just as good as any other. Same goes for Jayco. Probably more positive talk around Jayco than negative.

Right now, it would appear Jayco must have massive factory incentives because dealers are at about 40% off MSRP. Low enough that used doesn’t make sense when folks want $7k-$8k for a 10-yr-old model vs $14k new.

Yeah, I’d like an airstream, but those things are crazy expensive in comparison.

This is completely new territory for me with foreign concepts.

My understanding is that the RV and by association, the travel trailer market has collapsed and that prices are at near give-away levels. Whatever you buy should be cheaper than a year or two ago so negotiate aggressively.

qbrozen

Here is the kind of discounts I'm finding all over. And that's advertised price.

https://www.asrvs.com/inventory/new-2024-forest-river-cherokee-wolf-den-26ev-n8126

This one is bigger than I was looking for, but hard to NOT like the idea of a little more room for a small price increase. Strange oversight on this, though, is the lack of a stovetop.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

My FIL owned those huge motorhomes. Meh. The Sprinter Airstreams look tolerable. Too bad they cost north of $200k new.

A guy a work bought a motor home on a whim and took a bath on depreciation. I think he sold it for about half of his purchase price after one year and 11,000 miles.

Maybe you could buy a one year old model from someone who had buyer’s remorse and it wouldn’t be so wrecked.

jipster

qbrozen said:

Here is the kind of discounts I'm finding all over. And that's advertised price.

https://www.asrvs.com/inventory/new-2024-forest-river-cherokee-wolf-den-26ev-n8126

This one is bigger than I was looking for, but hard to NOT like the idea of a little more room for a small price increase. Strange oversight on this, though, is the lack of a stovetop.

Double axle. Nice. The travel trailer we looked at was single axle, similar layout, maybe not as big, and it was discounted around $6k from around $29k.

I'd be more inclined to go the motor home route though. Sit back on the sofa sleeper, watching whatever game is in the tellie, and drinking an ice cold Modello as Mrs. Jip drives to our destination of choice. ;-)

nyccarguy

LET’S GO RANGERS!

stickguy

seems like a lot for the money. Odd though to have the queen bed right in the middle of the living room like that. I guess not enough height to make it a Murphy style.

tjc78

Ugh what a day!!

Got up at 3…. to the airport by 4:15. First flight delayed an hour. Changed my connection because I’d miss it. Get on the runway and have to turn back for a “maintenance issue”.

End up staying at airport until 3PM on the hopes I can get on a direct. I’m already way later than I want to be anyway. Luckily I get the last seat and finally landed in Las Vegas around 8:30 EST nearly 17 hours since I got up.

At least I got a nice brand new Wagoneer as a rental.

kyfdx

Is Modello the Kirkland or Member's Mark knock-off of Modelo?

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

Ugh what a day!!

Got up at 3…. to the airport by 4:15. First flight delayed an hour. Changed my connection because I’d miss it. Get on the runway and have to turn back for a “maintenance issue”.

End up staying at airport until 3PM on the hopes I can get on a direct. I’m already way later than I want to be anyway. Luckily I get the last seat and finally landed in Las Vegas around 8:30 EST nearly 17 hours since I got up.

At least I got a nice brand new Wagoneer as a rental.

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That’s a miserable day alright. Check the glove box…somebody owes you a good bottle of bourbon.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1

@kyfdx said:
Is Modello the Kirkland or Member's Mark knock-off of Modelo?

Yes

ab348

Got a call from the liquor board here that my name got picked to buy one of 4 of these they somehow had on offer, so I grabbed it. I had gotten one a few months ago from them when they had their first offering and this one is supposedly a different flavor profile. The first one is very nice so I have high hopes for this one too. $90 worthless Cdn dollars, or mere pocket change for my USA friends. Hard to go wrong with cask strength Makers Mark.

tjc78

I’m > @ab348 said:

Got a call from the liquor board here that my name got picked to buy one of 4 of these they somehow had on offer, so I grabbed it. I had gotten one a few months ago from them when they had their first offering and this one is supposedly a different flavor profile. The first one is very nice so I have high hopes for this one too. $90 worthless Cdn dollars, or mere pocket change for my USA friends. Hard to go wrong with cask strength Makers Mark.

I’ve had one of those releases (don’t remember which). Good stuff

sb55

qbrozen said:

kyfdx said:

Isn't it Thor who makes the Airstream? Not sure how their other brands could be trash.

Looks that way.
No idea. I suppose MAYBE it is like electronics, appliances, or fixtures manufacturers. They build to a price and brand it where it fits.

I'm on my 2nd Airstream. Keep in mind that the components like the fridge, A/C, water heater, furnace, stove, etc. are the same for most manufacturers. Airstream bodies and structure are what makes them cost more.

stickguy

Pretty sure my wife would never want to RV it.

imidazol97

ab348 said:

Got a call from the liquor board here that my name got picked to buy one of 4 of these they somehow had on offer, so I grabbed it. I had gotten one a few months ago from them when they had their first offering and this one is supposedly a different flavor profile. The first one is very nice so I have high hopes for this one too. $90 worthless Cdn dollars, or mere pocket change for my USA friends. Hard to go wrong with cask strength Makers Mark.

Makers Mark was my choice back in day. Just pedestrian stuff mixed with coke/Pepsi.

fintail

driver100 said:

Guy has to use an app on his cell phone claiming a prize while going through the McDonalds Drive Thru and a cop sees him using his cell phone while driving....gives him a $580 ticket.

https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/very-expensive-lunch-sask-driver-handed-a-cell-phone-ticket-for-using-points-app-in-mcdonald-s-drive-thru-1.6887468#:~:text=“I'm barely even moving,McDonald's drive-thru in Saskatoon.

I wonder if he was really using the phone on a public road or not, seems like that would be the key. Could be legit, could be rage bait.

fintail

nyccarguy said:

LET’S GO RANGERS!

Let's see if Rempe pulls any more stunts or if someone dares to call him out on it - it won't be the league anyway (or if he'll be scratched again)

driver100

fintail said:

driver100 said:

Guy has to use an app on his cell phone claiming a prize while going through the McDonalds Drive Thru and a cop sees him using his cell phone while driving....gives him a $580 ticket.

https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/very-expensive-lunch-sask-driver-handed-a-cell-phone-ticket-for-using-points-app-in-mcdonald-s-drive-thru-1.6887468#:~:text=“I'm barely even moving,McDonald's drive-thru in Saskatoon.

I wonder if he was really using the phone on a public road or not, seems like that would be the key. Could be legit, could be rage bait.

Exactly. The kid claims he was at McDonalds on a private lot, the question is was he on the phone before he got to McD's.

qbrozen

jipster said:

I'd be more inclined to go the motor home route though. Sit back on the sofa sleeper, watching whatever game is in the tellie, and drinking an ice cold Modello as Mrs. Jip drives to our destination of choice. ;-)

I can do that in the Sprinter, though, so no worries. I kind of like the idea of keeping them separate. The sprinter gets pretty funked up during a road trip. Keeping the sleeping quarters pristine for nighttime is appealing.

tjc78

@qbrozen said:
I can do that in the Sprinter, though, so no worries. I kind of like the idea of keeping them separate. The sprinter gets pretty funked up during a road trip. Keeping the sleeping quarters pristine for nighttime is appealing.

My truck went pretty after our Florida trip.

qbrozen

Credit score ghost strikes again. Just got a notice from amex this morn that my score dropped 11 pts. Still well over 800, but Absolutely no reason for the change. I have done NOTHING since the last increase in score, nor for many months prior to that.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Credit score ghost strikes again. Just got a notice from amex this morn that my score dropped 11 pts. Still well over 800, but Absolutely no reason for the change. I have done NOTHING since the last increase in score, nor for many months prior to that.

Maybe they saw that you were talking about them online and want to give you a warning.⚠️

mjfloyd1

@qbrozen said:
Credit score ghost strikes again. Just got a notice from amex this morn that my score dropped 11 pts. Still well over 800, but Absolutely no reason for the change. I have done NOTHING since the last increase in score, nor for many months prior to that.

Ours seems to make changes with larger purchases made with a credit card. It goes right back up after paying it off