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jwilliams2

This is about as accurate as anything I've seen regarding the problem....
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/homeland-speech-tells-it-it-about-isis

Mr_Shiftright

I understand your frustration and anger, we all feel it. But that would be the worst possible response. Thankfully, TV writers don't run the country. The real villain here is Assad. He is the beneficiary of all this bloodshed.

jwilliams2

I don't think the problem can be blamed on one person or country....it is too widespread for that.

Mr_Shiftright

True but Assad is culpable here, and making things worse every day. Every country is capable of extreme violence, but it takes a real sicko to revel in it.

graphicguy

Part of the work I do is working with defense contractors. U.S. military has been flying sorties every day for the last 18 months against ISIS/ISIL. In the past two days alone, U.S. military has taken out two of the largest leaders of this group....one of them Jihadi John. It does't get much press, though. U.S. wants it that way!

berri

I dunno - I think the Mideast was actually more stable before we pushed Assad, Hussein and Gadhafi out.

Mr_Shiftright

Indeed. It takes a strong man to rule there. Whoever came up with the idea that they even wanted "democracy"? Talk about mass delusions in DC. You'd think someone in Washington would have studied the history of Israel since 1948.

Hey, for those of you who are history buffs and who want a fascinating look of how the current Middle East got that way, have a look at "The Fall of the Ottomans" by Eugene Rogan, Amazon $14 bucks and change.

jwilliams2

Yes, I saw that on NBC the other day. My point is I don't think it's a "country" thing....

Mr_Shiftright

The country in question is the garden where it grows the best, and Assad is the gardener. Saddam would have killed every last one of them in about a week, if they had even dared to show themselves. It's like the old story (true or not) that there was never any crime in the neighborhood where the mafia lived.

stickguy

well, my roomie from college grew up in Brooklyn, in a neighborhood that was home to a lot of "connected" guys. It was the safest area in town. No petty crime like car break ins.

driver100

berri said:

I dunno - I think the Mideast was actually more stable before we pushed Assad, Hussein and Gadhafi out.

berri said:

I dunno - I think the Mideast was actually more stable before we pushed Assad, Hussein and Gadhafi out.

Definitely....those guys knew what they were doing! And the people prefer it that way.

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

I understand your frustration and anger, we all feel it. But that would be the worst possible response. Thankfully, TV writers don't run the country. The real villain here is Assad. He is the beneficiary of all this bloodshed.

True but it should be noted that for many years Assad and his father before him protected the Christian minority from the genocide that is occuring in areas he doesn't control right now. Just one more upside down thing about Middle East politics.

mako1a

OK here's a no sale from my favorite dealer (not). I go there about every 5 or 6 years just to see if they're still the same bunch of pigs as always.
I get a flyer in the mail about this wonderful trade-in number they'll give me on a 2006 Silverado 2500 LT HD 4WD. They give me a (non negotiable ) check for $16 thousand and change. I know it won't bring that because it has 217,400 miles on it, but I go in anyway. They drive it, check everything (it all works-even the A/C and seat heaters) and look up all the figures and come back with sorry, all we can give you is $6,000. Then I say OK I'll take it.
This is where it gets good. Manager goes back into his office and calls in another guy who works there. He comes over to my salesgirl and proceeds to tell me they have to further check auction sites and will get back with a number on Wednesday. Now I'm no Judge Judy but doesn't offer and acceptance constitute a contract?
My quick answer threw him for a loop, now he backscuttled. What a piece of work. Huff Chevy/Cadillac in Wytheville, Va. Now I'm off to dealer reviews to save this text forever.

henryn

jwilliams2 said:

This is about as accurate as anything I've seen regarding the problem....
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/homeland-speech-tells-it-it-about-isis

Hmmm... I'm at work, and that link prompted an "inappropriate content" filter on the corporate firewall.

graphicguy

Mako....so, they offer a number to gwt you in the door....$16K. Then, once you're there, they knock $10K off their cash offer. Then, they won't even stand behind their 2nd offer. Definitely steer clear of them.....geeesh!

mako1a

GG, they sell Cadillacs too. Maybe you should pawn off the POS CTS there.
I lived in Virginia Beach for 27 years where dealers are wall to wall and it reflects in price.
This little town dealer (only one for 40 miles) plays everyone to the hilt. I can't believe they're still in business.
GM tried to shut them down in 2008, but they fought tooth and nail to stay open.

PF_Flyer

Mr_Shiftright said:

I'm very hesitant to do it as my machine is some 3 years old. Sounds like yours is too?

I'm pretty sure I'm going to wait and just bump up the hardware rather than upgrading the old stuff. I think that anything I buy is going to better able to handle 10 than my stuff that's getting older.

I bet the Vista to 10 jump could be interesting

oldfarmer50

mako1a said:

OK here's a no sale from my favorite dealer (not). I go there about every 5 or 6 years just to see if they're still the same bunch of pigs as always.
I get a flyer in the mail about this wonderful trade-in number they'll give me on a 2006 Silverado 2500 LT HD 4WD. They give me a (non negotiable ) check for $16 thousand and change. I know it won't bring that because it has 217,400 miles on it, but I go in anyway. They drive it, check everything (it all works-even the A/C and seat heaters) and look up all the figures and come back with sorry, all we can give you is $6,000. Then I say OK I'll take it.
This is where it gets good. Manager goes back into his office and calls in another guy who works there. He comes over to my salesgirl and proceeds to tell me they have to further check auction sites and will get back with a number on Wednesday. Now I'm no Judge Judy but doesn't offer and acceptance constitute a contract?
My quick answer threw him for a loop, now he backscuttled. What a piece of work. Huff Chevy/Cadillac in Wytheville, Va. Now I'm off to dealer reviews to save this text forever.

Wow, 217k miles and they still offered $6000? I would have thought a truck like that would bring scrap value ( no offense).

Are trucks these days retaining a higher value than they used to? I've been checking CL for cheap trucks to replace my van (133k miles) and most of what I find in the under $3000 range have over 150k and are heavily rusted. The rust doesn't bother me as much as the miles. Everything in NY is rusted.

Can a high mile truck be a decent buy?

explorerx4

Brought home the new truck. All the papers are signed, I have the keys and it's in my driveway.
Delivery went pretty smooth, for the most part.
The only real hitch was when the finance guy looked at his computer and said, Wait it says this OR this and your deal has both. He made a phone call and said to the other person, If we did that, at least it's for a good customer.
Another funny thing is, when I went to the bank to get a check for additional money down, they tried to sell me a loan right on the spot. I told the teller I was using it to put down on a new car. 'If you want to sit down with xxx, we can get you approved right now, before you go to the dealership'.

mako1a

OF, this truck has no rust (at least none more than a 1 or 2 year old truck). Hitch has a little rust on it, but that's it. And they have a 2002 Ford F-150 with 168,000 listed for $10k Check it out http://huffonline.com/UsedCars/2002-Ford-F-150-Wytheville-X5W9ws2x9ECPK85d~XYvRA?PageSize=24&Make=Ford&Model=F-150

isellhondas

Mr_Shiftright said:

The country in question is the garden where it grows the best, and Assad is the gardener. Saddam would have killed every last one of them in about a week, if they had even dared to show themselves. It's like the old story (true or not) that there was never any crime in the neighborhood where the mafia lived.

Your last sentence reminds me of my hometown growing up.

There were things you knew but never talked about, people didn't ask many questions and a lot of problems
had ways of solving themselves.

If you dated a girl whose last name ended in a vowel, you behaved yourself!

imidazol97

explorerx4 said:

Brought home the new truck.

Late, but congratulations. I meant to write that earlier, and I think I didn't get it done!

driver100

imidazol97 said:

explorerx4 said:

Brought home the new truck.

Late, but congratulations. I meant to write that earlier, and I think I didn't get it done!

Me too, have been out a lot. Congratulations!

explorerx4

Imidazol97,
You're not late, I only brought it home less than 2 hours ago.
I even asked the bank if they could leave the payee blank just in case the deal didn't go through.
They said they had to put a name on the check, but also told me how I could return it, if needed.

ab348

imidazol97 said:

Late, but congratulations. I meant to write that earlier, and I think I didn't get it done!

Likewise.

Be sure to let us know when you replace those wheels.

explorerx4

@ab348,
Can't wait to replace those wheels. Might get a bed cover first, though.

oldfarmer50

mako1a said:

OF, this truck has no rust (at least none more than a 1 or 2 year old truck). Hitch has a little rust on it, but that's it. And they have a 2002 Ford F-150 with 168,000 listed for $10k Check it out http://huffonline.com/UsedCars/2002-Ford-F-150-Wytheville-X5W9ws2x9ECPK85d~XYvRA?PageSize=24&Make=Ford&Model=F-150

That's incredible. Of course south of the rust belt the bodies are in much better shape.

Here's what we see here:
http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/5305974573.html

Mr_Shiftright

Ah, vent-a-rockers. Nice feature.

explorerx4

I really wanted to buy a used truck, but the prices are off the hook, so I decided not to go through the aggravation.
This was my first choice, has base engine and no locking rear axle, really?
http://www.litchfieldford.com/used/Ford/2014-Ford-F-150-b6caff050a0e0adf4686ae8d995c104e.htm?searchDepth=7:24

venture

Honey Bees

I was starting to think the bees are coming back. I spend all day, every day outside during the spring and summer and have noticed more honey bees this year than in the past few years. I read an article yesterday that says I'm wrong.

Neonicotinoids are used by farmers on about 140 different crops, including corn, canola and soy. But despite truth-twisting marketing from producers, there is little evidence that neonicotinoids actually improve yields. They do, however, kill bees by damaging their nervous systems, weakening their memories and impeding their ability to forage and fly.

Copyright 2015 U.S. News & World Report

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/opinion-honeybees-are-dying-and-our-food-supply-will-go-with-them/ar-BBmXQ52?li=AA4Zjn

Maybe Old Farmer, or others who spend a lot of time outdoors, can chime in - Am I just having hallucinations?

imidazol97

Saw a Vette that put a spring in my step this morning at the Chevrolet dealer. I asked the sales manager if it was a Chick Magnet. He said it was but he didn't know if they would be able to get up out of the seat once they got in because of their age... Price $104 K.




The black Vette they had on the floor the last time I was there was bought by a fellow in middle 70s who traded in a 2011 Orange (Gold) Mustang--3000 miles on it. Manual transmission. Hope it's had an annual oil change. But it's not really due, based on mileage. LOL

imidazol97

venture said:

Neonicotinoids are used by farmers on about 140 different crops, including corn, canola and soy. But despite truth-twisting marketing from producers, there is little evidence that neonicotinoids actually improve yields. They do, however, kill bees by damaging their nervous systems, weakening their memories and impeding their ability to forage and fly.

My son's girlfriend, a veterinarian student at OSU (Go Bucks), told me that when I first met her. I've stopped putting on the weed killer before the dandelions bloom and let them bloom. Early bees depend on those, she said.
I'm using very little insecticide on the remaining rose bushes. Used to have 15.

stever

Bees are also having their noses messed up by VWs.

Scents and sense ability: Diesels fumes alter half the flower smells bees need (sciencedaily.com)

jwilliams2

henryn said:

jwilliams2 said:

This is about as accurate as anything I've seen regarding the problem....
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/homeland-speech-tells-it-it-about-isis

Hmmm... I'm at work, and that link prompted an "inappropriate content" filter on the corporate firewall.

Try this link....https://www.facebook.com/nationalreview/videos/10156321613335093/?fref=nf

ab348

imidazol97 said:

My son's girlfriend, a veterinarian student at OSU (Go Bucks), told me that when I first met her. I've stopped putting on the weed killer before the dandelions bloom and let them bloom. Early bees depend on those, she said.
I'm using very little insecticide on the remaining rose bushes. Used to have 15.

Well, I dunno. Canada has banned the chemical that is in weed and feed so we are now a dandelion paradise compared to 10 years ago. It really is unbelievable how they have taken over. But the bees do not seem to notice as the same stories as your son's GF cites appear in the media all the time. Something isn't adding up.

Mr_Shiftright

I have bees in my back yard. I lost a hive last year--it just collapsed...and my bees get very good care from my friend the pro beekeeper. He's lost a lot of hives these past few years. Bees are very sensitive to disruptions in their environment. They can be thriving one month and all dead the next. And of course, sometimes they'll just swarm off somewhere, and other times fail to produce a queen. There's lots of ways to lose a hive. I love having them around, though.

driver100

Not sure of this ad....what's the trick?

If you buy a new Nissan Altima you get a free Sentra or Rogue...it's a BOGO sale (buy one get one free)

I can't read the fine print but there must be a catch!



https://youtu.be/jEzcnddFtEE?t=17

driver100

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neonicotinoids actually improve yields. They do, however, kill bees by damaging their nervous systems, weakening their memories and impeding their ability to forage and fly.

Maybe that's what is affecting my memory too!

venture

Mr_Shiftright said:

I have bees in my back yard. I lost a hive last year--it just collapsed...and my bees get very good care from my friend the pro beekeeper. He's lost a lot of hives these past few years. Bees are very sensitive to disruptions in their environment. They can be thriving one month and all dead the next. And of course, sometimes they'll just swarm off somewhere, and other times fail to produce a queen. There's lots of ways to lose a hive. I love having them around, though.

When I mow the outfield I occasionally see a honey bee so I stop the tractor until he's done doing whatever he's doing then I proceed. That happened a lot this past summer. In the previous 3 or 4 years I didn't have to do that very often.

I thought maybe they stopped what was killing all the bees. I guess not.

venture

imidazol97 said:

Saw a Vette that put a spring in my step this morning at the Chevrolet dealer. I asked the sales manager if it was a Chick Magnet. He said it was but he didn't know if they would be able to get up out of the seat once they got in because of their age... Price $104 K.




The black Vette they had on the floor the last time I was there was bought by a fellow in middle 70s who traded in a 2011 Orange (Gold) Mustang--3000 miles on it. Manual transmission. Hope it's had an annual oil change. But it's not really due, based on mileage. LOL

A guy who lives up the street from me has one of those in white. When I first saw it I thought it was a Ferrari.

stickguy

that car, with a manual? I like!

henryn

explorerx4 said:

@ab348,
Can't wait to replace those wheels. Might get a bed cover first, though.

What kind of bed cover are you thinking of? I thought very hard about a camper shell, and I still may go in that direction, but for now I just settled for a soft tri-fold tonneau. I got one for $242, delivered, and it fits quite well and looks pretty good for the money.

It is not water proof, but is fairly water resistant. And it is definitely not theft proof, anyone with a pocket knife could gain entry -- but the same is true for convertibles. It is very easy to put on, and take off, and is light weight and very easy to store.

Michaell

driver100 said:

Not sure of this ad....what's the trick?

If you buy a new Nissan Altima you get a free Sentra or Rogue...it's a BOGO sale (buy one get one free)

I can't read the fine print but there must be a catch!

https://youtu.be/jEzcnddFtEE?t=17

I went to full screen on the ad - the catch is that the Sentra or Rogue (Select - the old body style) is a 24 month lease when you purchase the Altima.

bwia

driver100 said:

Brought home the new truck.

Late, but congratulations. I meant to write that earlier, and I think I didn't get it done!

Me too, have been out a lot. Congratulations!

driver100 said:

Brought home the new truck.

Late, but congratulations. I meant to write that earlier, and I think I didn't get it done!

Me too, have been out a lot. Congratulations!

Same here - congrats and enjoy 

houdini1

Enjoy that great new truck. Congrats.

driver100

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Not sure of this ad....what's the trick?

If you buy a new Nissan Altima you get a free Sentra or Rogue...it's a BOGO sale (buy one get one free)

I can't read the fine print but there must be a catch!

https://youtu.be/jEzcnddFtEE?t=17

I went to full screen on the ad - the catch is that the Sentra or Rogue (Select - the old body style) is a 24 month lease when you purchase the Altima.

Thanks, I can't see it on my small screen laptop. So you buy an Altima, and they are going to let you have a Sentra or Rogue for 12 months which must be at least $3000 a year or $6000 for 2 years.....does that seem possible? Also, who would take the Sentra over the Rogue?

Maybe the trick is the buy back price of the leased car...or that you agree to lease it longer. There has to be even more of a catch.

My neighbors looked at a Civic, lease deal was $119 a month. Salesman told them up front they never lease a car for that, by the time they did the add ons it came to $250 a month. I could have told them there is no way they would get a lease for $1500 a year.

Michaell

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Not sure of this ad....what's the trick?

If you buy a new Nissan Altima you get a free Sentra or Rogue...it's a BOGO sale (buy one get one free)

I can't read the fine print but there must be a catch!

https://youtu.be/jEzcnddFtEE?t=17

I went to full screen on the ad - the catch is that the Sentra or Rogue (Select - the old body style) is a 24 month lease when you purchase the Altima.

Thanks, I can't see it on my small screen laptop. So you buy an Altima, and they are going to let you have a Sentra or Rogue for 12 months which must be at least $3000 a year or $6000 for 2 years.....does that seem possible? Also, who would take the Sentra over the Rogue?

Maybe the trick is the buy back price of the leased car...or that you agree to lease it longer. There has to be even more of a catch.

My neighbors looked at a Civic, lease deal was $119 a month. Salesman told them up front they never lease a car for that, by the time they did the add ons it came to $250 a month. I could have told them there is no way they would get a lease for $1500 a year.

No, you get the second car for 24 months ... but, I'd also guess that you have to pay MSRP for the Altima.

mako1a

I re-read my post and I do come off sounding like I'm looking to get something for nothing, but I'm not. This guy is the only Chevy dealer for 40 miles with a $4k profit on both ends of every deal mantra. Just once I'd like to see him come up with the brown end of the stick. Or at least go hunting with Dick Cheney. lol

stickguy

Depending on price of Altima, that would have worked for me and the kid last year!

Michaell

stickguy said:

Depending on price of Altima, that would have worked for me and the kid last year!

No it wouldn't .. you'd still have a gap of a year where someone wouldn't have a car.

And, paying full price for an Altima is folly, no matter what the incentives might be.