Edmunds Members - Cars and Conversations (Archived)

berri

You're gonna get used to that coddling Explorer4, so you better plan on bigger car payments from now on. First class flying next?

snakeweasel

suydam said:

snakeweasel said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

stever said:

iluvmysephia1 said:

Even though I haven't even test-driven an Audi or a BMW before, I could see how I might like one. An S4 perhaps - I just tread carefully with costs

Audi just blew the doors off in the 2016 Consumer Reports best car brands report. "They need to have consistency across a range of models in reliability and drive quality to get to the top," (USA Today)

So everything we thought we knew about spotty reliability of Audis is wrong.

Kia came in at number 9, a couple of spots ahead of Hyundai, which surprised me.

Doesn't say what the basis for this "reliability" is, but apparently, using the same testing methods, the top single car was the Chevrolet Impala. So I guess we can say Chevrolets are better than Audis?

Doesn't CR use self reporting surveys to make these reliability lists? If so those surveys are notoriously inaccurate.

The database is huge and extends over many years. If they don't have enough data (new model, not enough buyers reporting), they won't make an evaluation.

It may be huge and extend over many years but it still is a self reported survey and self reported surveys are unreliable.

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

@roadburner - I've got a automotive related legal question for you:  My wife's "uncle" died.  His wife predecessed him by maybe a year.  They have a son, in his 30s that is being treated for severe emotional & psychological issues.  My mother - in - law who is an absolute saint is trying to help her nephew navigate through "the system."  There was no wil.  Lee (the guy who died) had a car.  2012 or 2013 Hyundai.  My mother in law is trying to sell it so her nephew (who doesn't drive) could have the money.  The title is in Lee's name (the dead guy).  Can my Mother-In-Law sell the car in her nephew's name?

She-or someone else-will have to be appointed Administrator of the uncle's estate. She can then sell the car if all the "heirs at law" agree and sign off. Who those heirs actually are depends on the state and its laws of "descent and distribution," which tell who gets what-and how much-when someone dies without a will.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel

You are absolutely correct.  Since Lincoln discontinued its Towncar line, there really isn't anything out there for limo service.  Just wish they'd make it RWD.  There's a car I might want to be buried with/in! 

A guy a work is anxious to buy a Town Car for his wife but she'll only accept the top of the line line model. I suggested the more numerous Grand Marquis and he said his wife would accept nothing but the TC.

I think there would be a good market for a roomy comfortable car like that. For me the Ford is more fun but the Lincoln is more comfortable.

Speaking of fun I was able to get the Mustang out for a bit today thanks to some rain washing the roads. There's this one street where I usually have to wait a long time to pull out because of traffic. Not today. Weeeeeeeeeeeee.

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

PF_Flyer said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I think the autonomous cars will eventually master snow and ice--I mean, you've seen those robots that trudge through snow and over/around obstacles while guiding their own way ? They have agility and balance.

I think the days of high HP, driving "dynamics" and all that, are numbered.

I fell for the "flying cars by the year 2000" at the GM exhibit at the NY World's Fair in '64. I'm not biting again

GM probably has it locked up in the same warehouse where they are hiding the 100 mpg carb.

No, no, no, you've got it wrong. It's Exxon who has the 100 mpg carb locked up in Area 51.

Or am I confusing my conspiracies again? I hate it when I do that!

tjc78

oldfarmer50 said:

@snakeweasel

You are absolutely correct.  Since Lincoln discontinued its Towncar line, there really isn't anything out there for limo service.  Just wish they'd make it RWD.  There's a car I might want to be buried with/in! 

A guy a work is anxious to buy a Town Car for his wife but she'll only accept the top of the line line model. I suggested the more numerous Grand Marquis and he said his wife would accept nothing but the TC. I think there would be a good market for a roomy comfortable car like that. For me the Ford is more fun but the Lincoln is more comfortable. Speaking of fun I was able to get the Mustang out for a bit today thanks to some rain washing the roads. There's this one street where I usually have to wait a long time to pull out because of traffic. Not today. Weeeeeeeeeeeee.

The last few years of the LTC they only came in one trim with mostly all options.  Don't expect NAV or Bluetooth as that wasn't available.  They did have NAV from 04 to maybe 08 or so but not at the end of the run. 

The last Grand Marquis were really stripped down.  No air suspension, rear sway bar, power passenger seat, heated seats and more stuff that my 04 has.  

driver100

It is amazing how easily powerful cars can go so out of control so easily:

https://youtu.be/u2l6nk7pMQ0

roadburner

Every one of those accidents was caused by the moronic actions of the driver. I spent a few hours lapping Motorsport Ranch in a 500 hp E65 B7 and with the DSC in Sport mode I never got even remotely out of shape.
It's not the horsepower, it's the IQ deficit of the imbecile behind the wheel.

graphicguy

Mr_Shiftright said:

It makes sense for Lincoln to pursue a high-lux content rather than replicate the "german" experience.

One reason I think this is because quite a few members here have already commented that the newer BMWs are softening up. Another trend I see is that more and more people are being stuck in traffic and bad weather and that the "autobahn" experience is not very accessible in the USA.

Last of all, not many buyers of really big heavy luxury cars are going to drive that aggressively--they might drive fast in a straight line, but most of this lux clientele doesn't need highly strung "driving dynamics" IMO. Do we really think Lincoln Continental owners are going to be flinging these cars through the twisties? I don't.

You might call all this "Cadillac's revenge"--getting back to the living room on wheels.

I mean, Cadillac went full bore on trying to build a Mercedes with some of their product line, and damn near succeeded--but not all many people bought them anyway. Cadillac's best sellers? The SRX and the Escalade!

Summed up quite well!

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel

I have to believe that the less parallel parking one does, the less damage the car suffers.  Grinding tires and wheels on concrete curbs; chips and dings in front and rear bumpers; fewer fights in major downtown areas in cities about who was at the parking spot first; fewer accidents when drivers in parking spots pull out without looking in their side-view mirrors for oncoming traffic!  I rest my case!  :@

You may be right about grinding tires an wheels when parallel parking, but as for pulling out I will have to consider that that might not be true. I know a few areas where there is angled parking on the street and pulling out can be a bit dicey especially when a large van/truck/SUV is parked next to you.

Talking about angled parking along a street, several years ago I was in a small Northern IL town that had that on a street that ran up a hill. A group of motorcyclists (maybe 5 or so) were driving up that hill and pulled into a few spaces and parked their bikes. If you know anything about bikes you will know that the kickstand is on the left side of the bike so the bike leans to the left. Now if you are picturing this you would realize that the bikes were parked with downhill to the right which means that the bikes were barely leaning on their kickstands and were almost upright. Well it didn't take long before one fell over and took the rest out like dominoes.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel

You are absolutely correct.  Since Lincoln discontinued its Towncar line, there really isn't anything out there for limo service.  Just wish they'd make it RWD.  There's a car I might want to be buried with/in! 

It could be that Lincoln is expecting this car to be on the short list for many limo services or people who want limos. So they are looking to give the car the benefits that FWD gives due to the fact that the market for the car would want that more than the advantages of RWD. IMHO it's not a car for people that want all the driving experience that a RWD car offers.

The last several times I went to the airport (or back) it was in the back of a Town Car. Sitting in that back seat was like being in heaven (better than riding in any other car I have been in), I cared about the comfort, the space and how smooth the ride was, since I wasn't behind the wheel I didn't car about driving characteristics. So I really think that Lincoln maybe is building a car for the passenger and not the driver.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

It is amazing how easily powerful cars can go so out of control so easily:

All of those losing control were rear wheel drive, right?

https://youtu.be/u2l6nk7pMQ0

driver100

roadburner said:

Every one of those accidents was caused by the moronic actions of the driver. l.

I agree, I taught driving to high school students so I know a lit bit about driver training. The real moron behind the wheel is the guy who doesn't factor in his own limitations. Same with idiots who follow to close, zig zag, drive in ice or fog too fast.....they have no idea that they don't have complete control over the situation - but they THINK they do.

roadburner

No; there were a couple of GT-Rs as well as some AWD Lambos- and the Veyron is AWD of course.

snakeweasel

berri said:

Aren't limo's kind of being replaced by stretched out SUV's these days? I've even seen a few SUV hearses.

I think only stretched limos are being replaced by SUV's and not even all of them. Most limos aren't stretched, stretched limos are usually stretched to accommodate a large number of people such as bridal parties, groups of kids going to prom and the like. Most limos are pretty much taxis shuffling just a few people around.

snakeweasel

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

PF_Flyer said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I think the autonomous cars will eventually master snow and ice--I mean, you've seen those robots that trudge through snow and over/around obstacles while guiding their own way ? They have agility and balance.

I think the days of high HP, driving "dynamics" and all that, are numbered.

I fell for the "flying cars by the year 2000" at the GM exhibit at the NY World's Fair in '64. I'm not biting again

GM probably has it locked up in the same warehouse where they are hiding the 100 mpg carb.

No, no, no, you've got it wrong. It's Exxon who has the 100 mpg carb locked up in Area 51.

Or am I confusing my conspiracies again? I hate it when I do that!

You are confusing your conspiracies. Everyone knows that the 100 MPG Carb is being kept under wraps by the Jewish Alien Illuminati members of the Free Masons.

Who keeps Steve Guttenberg a star?

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

I think the autonomous cars will eventually master snow and ice--I mean, you've seen those robots that trudge through snow and over/around obstacles while guiding their own way ? They have agility and balance. I think the days of high HP, driving "dynamics" and all that, are numbered.

I fell for the "flying cars by the year 2000" at the GM exhibit at the NY World's Fair in '64. I'm not biting again

GM probably has it locked up in the same warehouse where they are hiding the 100 mpg carb.

No, no, no, you've got it wrong. It's Exxon who has the 100 mpg carb locked up in Area 51. Or am I confusing my conspiracies again? I hate it when I do that!

You are confusing your conspiracies. Everyone knows that the 100 MPG Carb is being kept under wraps by the Jewish Alien Illuminati members of the Free Masons. Who keeps Steve Guttenberg a star?

It's not "who" keeps Steve Guttenberg a star, it's "what" keeps him a star!  Answer - a Kaballah Priest, a mystic magician!!! 

imidazol97

roadburner said:

No; there were a couple of GT-Rs as well as some AWD Lambos- and the Veyron is AWD of course.

I learned with my first ordered car that rear wheel drive can be touchy. I wanted capability to dig through snow in our rural area. Ordered locking differential. I found that with regular differentials when one wheel slips on snow/ice, the other is tracking and sticking to the snow/ice and gives some lateral control. With locking differential, they both lose solid contact with the snow because they are both slipping slightly with the acceleration or the deceleration forces. Lateral control is lessened and the rear end would go sideways easily. That's on a 1967 Mustang.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

PF_Flyer said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I think the autonomous cars will eventually master snow and ice--I mean, you've seen those robots that trudge through snow and over/around obstacles while guiding their own way ? They have agility and balance.

I think the days of high HP, driving "dynamics" and all that, are numbered.

I fell for the "flying cars by the year 2000" at the GM exhibit at the NY World's Fair in '64. I'm not biting again

GM probably has it locked up in the same warehouse where they are hiding the 100 mpg carb.

No, no, no, you've got it wrong. It's Exxon who has the 100 mpg carb locked up in Area 51.

Or am I confusing my conspiracies again? I hate it when I do that!

You are confusing your conspiracies. Everyone knows that the 100 MPG Carb is being kept under wraps by the Jewish Alien Illuminati members of the Free Masons.

Who keeps Steve Guttenberg a star?

imidazol97

I nearly had a heart attack today leaving Lowes. I saw a car that looked my like our dear departed leSabre. It was all polished up like a new car including the chrome wheels. I looked closer and it had a temporary registration and license plate holder from the same dealer where we traded our 2003 leSabre. It had the same Michelin tires that I had on our leSabre.

I watched the driver move the car to a different parking spot and drove by. The car had the same scratches on the plastic bumper by the trunk and had the same slight dimple in the top of the rear fender. Absolute irony to trade it across town and figure it went to the auction and instead to have it show up relatively close to home. The odds of spotting it at Lowes?

What are the odds?

Mr_Shiftright

The problem facing the Germans is that once they established themselves as the trend-setters for "driving dynamics", and to some degree, for sedan styling in general, they had to keep upping the ante to stay ahead of the ever-more-clever competition who were learning "the german way". So I think you reach a point of diminishing returns (which I think has been reached) with XXX horsepower and YYY skidpad and braking numbers.

Sooner or later, many customers in the luxury car market won't respond to the call of the Autobahn, or "race-car like" performance. That's not tickling people's toes like it used to. They can get just as nice luxury features and gadgetry for less money elsewhere.

abacomike

Mr_Shiftright said:

The problem facing the Germans is that once they established themselves as the trend-setters for "driving dynamics", and to some degree, for sedan styling in general, they had to keep upping the ante to stay ahead of the ever-more-clever competition who were learning "the german way". So I think you reach a point of diminishing returns (which I think has been reached) with XXX horsepower and YYY skidpad and braking numbers. Sooner or later, many customers in the luxury car market won't respond to the call of the Autobahn, or "race-car like" performance. That's not tickling people's toes like it used to. They can get just as nice luxury features and gadgetry for less money elsewhere.

You 'vill regret das statement abowt' Der Farderland autobahn 'ind Der Autos and Der performance!  You 'vill retract das statement of vee 'vill reopen aushvitz to teach yu das lesson!  BMW, Daimler-Benz, Audi, Porsche and Volksvagen have 'vays of dealing mit traitors, dumkophf! 

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

Every one of those accidents was caused by the moronic actions of the driver. I spent a few hours lapping Motorsport Ranch in a 500 hp E65 B7 and with the DSC in Sport mode I never got even remotely out of shape.
It's not the horsepower, it's the IQ deficit of the imbecile behind the wheel.

Not to mention that you did it in the more controlled environment of a track where you don't have all the traffic around like those idiots.

Seriously I think that if you can buy a massively powerful car and race on a public road and cause a crash you should be able to pay a hefty fine (big enough to ensure that your only means of transportation is either a bus or a Schwinn) and lose your license for life.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

PF_Flyer said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I think the autonomous cars will eventually master snow and ice--I mean, you've seen those robots that trudge through snow and over/around obstacles while guiding their own way ? They have agility and balance.

I think the days of high HP, driving "dynamics" and all that, are numbered.

I fell for the "flying cars by the year 2000" at the GM exhibit at the NY World's Fair in '64. I'm not biting again

GM probably has it locked up in the same warehouse where they are hiding the 100 mpg carb.

No, no, no, you've got it wrong. It's Exxon who has the 100 mpg carb locked up in Area 51.

Or am I confusing my conspiracies again? I hate it when I do that!

You are confusing your conspiracies. Everyone knows that the 100 MPG Carb is being kept under wraps by the Jewish Alien Illuminati members of the Free Masons.

Who keeps Steve Guttenberg a star?

It's not "who" keeps Steve Guttenberg a star, it's "what" keeps him a star!  Answer - a Kaballah Priest, a mystic magician!!! 

You are obviously not a "Simpsons" fan.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

I think the autonomous cars will eventually master snow and ice--I mean, you've seen those robots that trudge through snow and over/around obstacles while guiding their own way ? They have agility and balance. I think the days of high HP, driving "dynamics" and all that, are numbered.

I fell for the "flying cars by the year 2000" at the GM exhibit at the NY World's Fair in '64. I'm not biting again

GM probably has it locked up in the same warehouse where they are hiding the 100 mpg carb.

No, no, no, you've got it wrong. It's Exxon who has the 100 mpg carb locked up in Area 51. Or am I confusing my conspiracies again? I hate it when I do that!

You are confusing your conspiracies. Everyone knows that the 100 MPG Carb is being kept under wraps by the Jewish Alien Illuminati members of the Free Masons. Who keeps Steve Guttenberg a star?

It's not "who" keeps Steve Guttenberg a star, it's "what" keeps him a star!  Answer - a Kaballah Priest, a mystic magician!!! 

You are obviously not a "Simpsons" fan.

KORRECT!!!! 

Mr_Shiftright

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

Every one of those accidents was caused by the moronic actions of the driver. I spent a few hours lapping Motorsport Ranch in a 500 hp E65 B7 and with the DSC in Sport mode I never got even remotely out of shape.
It's not the horsepower, it's the IQ deficit of the imbecile behind the wheel.

Not to mention that you did it in the more controlled environment of a track where you don't have all the traffic around like those idiots.

Seriously I think that if you can buy a massively powerful car and race on a public road and cause a crash you should be able to pay a hefty fine (big enough to ensure that your only means of transportation is either a bus or a Schwinn) and lose your license for life.

I've often wondered if it makes sense to require a special license for driving some vehicles. I mean, doesn't Ferrari actually include track time when you buy one of their super-models? Right now, anybody, no matter how incompetent, can walk in and buy a 700 HP car, and take it out to terrorize the population and frighten the horses. If bus and tractor-trailer drivers need an upgraded license, why not supercar drivers?

Of course, the answer to that is that there are so few of them and they usually only kill themselves. Usually.

suydam

They are out and about, however. I was surprised to see a Maclaren parked downtown on High Street in Columbus a few months ago.

abacomike

Mr_Shiftright said:

Every one of those accidents was caused by the moronic actions of the driver. I spent a few hours lapping Motorsport Ranch in a 500 hp E65 B7 and with the DSC in Sport mode I never got even remotely out of shape. It's not the horsepower, it's the IQ deficit of the imbecile behind the wheel.

Not to mention that you did it in the more controlled environment of a track where you don't have all the traffic around like those idiots. Seriously I think that if you can buy a massively powerful car and race on a public road and cause a crash you should be able to pay a hefty fine (big enough to ensure that your only means of transportation is either a bus or a Schwinn) and lose your license for life.

I've often wondered if it makes sense to require a special license for driving some vehicles. I mean, doesn't Ferrari actually include track time when you buy one of their super-models? Right now, anybody, no matter how incompetent, can walk in and buy a 700 HP car, and take it out to terrorize the population and frighten the horses. If bus and tractor-trailer drivers need an upgraded license, why not supercar drivers? Of course, the answer to that is that there are so few of them and they usually only kill themselves. Usually.

I was up to Brunswick GA last year and had a series of training sessions with professional MB Drivers on how to drive a MB with rear wheel drive.  They paid for my hotel, meals and driving experiences.  It was the most memorable experience I have had in my entire life!!!  It was set up by my dealership when I owned a CLS550 - they sat right in my car and tested me on cornering, accelerating, stopping, and accident avoidance.  I was mesmerized by the experience!!! 

roadburner

If you leave all the nannies turned on you just have to be incredibly ham-fisted to get into trouble- RWD or not.

abacomike

roadburner said:

If you leave all the nannies turned on you just have to be incredibly ham-fisted to get into trouble- RWD or not.

NO ARGUMENT!!!   

Mr_Shiftright

Create an idiot-proof system and Mother Nature will provide the idiot to prove it wrong.

cdnpinhead

I was up to Brunswick GA last year and had a series of training sessions with professional MB Drivers on how to drive a MB with rear wheel drive.  They paid for my hotel, meals and driving experiences.  It was the most memorable experience I have had in my entire life!!!  It was set up by my dealership when I owned a CLS550 - they sat right in my car and tested me on cornering, accelerating, stopping, and accident avoidance.  I was mesmerized by the experience!!! 

Wow! Excellent! I don't remember reading about this at the time; guess I'm getting even more forgetful than I thought.

isellhondas

Thanks to Stever and Karen, I am back in business here after several weeks of frustration. Hard drive failed on our old computer which caused a boatload of problems including the loss of my Edmunds password. For 20 years (literally) it auto filled so I had no idea what it was. I had about given up but I hollered for help one final time and Stever came running and so did Karen.

They must think I'm OK or they could have kept their mouths shut.

And I kept all of my seniority too along with my valuable badges and my 401K and 4 weeks of vacation time.

explorerx4

@isellhondas,
Good thing they didn't put it up for a vote here.
Really, glad you are back!

Mr_Shiftright

Don't tell him about all the free stuff he missed, ok?

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

Every one of those accidents was caused by the moronic actions of the driver. I spent a few hours lapping Motorsport Ranch in a 500 hp E65 B7 and with the DSC in Sport mode I never got even remotely out of shape.
It's not the horsepower, it's the IQ deficit of the imbecile behind the wheel.

Not to mention that you did it in the more controlled environment of a track where you don't have all the traffic around like those idiots.

Seriously I think that if you can buy a massively powerful car and race on a public road and cause a crash you should be able to pay a hefty fine (big enough to ensure that your only means of transportation is either a bus or a Schwinn) and lose your license for life.

I've often wondered if it makes sense to require a special license for driving some vehicles. I mean, doesn't Ferrari actually include track time when you buy one of their super-models? Right now, anybody, no matter how incompetent, can walk in and buy a 700 HP car, and take it out to terrorize the population and frighten the horses. If bus and tractor-trailer drivers need an upgraded license, why not supercar drivers?

Of course, the answer to that is that there are so few of them and they usually only kill themselves. Usually.

I was up to Brunswick GA last year and had a series of training sessions with professional MB Drivers on how to drive a MB with rear wheel drive.  They paid for my hotel, meals and driving experiences.  It was the most memorable experience I have had in my entire life!!!  It was set up by my dealership when I owned a CLS550 - they sat right in my car and tested me on cornering, accelerating, stopping, and accident avoidance.  I was mesmerized by the experience!!! 

There is a private track club south of here that offers driving courses like that. I was talking to one of the instructors who had spent some time driving stock car races. He said he prefers that new students start off with more mundane "family" type sedans rather than high power cars. Something about making the same mistakes at a much safer speed being better.

snakeweasel

isellhondas said:

Thanks to Stever and Karen, I am back in business here after several weeks of frustration. Hard drive failed on our old computer which caused a boatload of problems including the loss of my Edmunds password. For 20 years (literally) it auto filled so I had no idea what it was. I had about given up but I hollered for help one final time and Stever came running and so did Karen.

They must think I'm OK or they could have kept their mouths shut.

And I kept all of my seniority too along with my valuable badges and my 401K and 4 weeks of vacation time.

Good to see you back.

explorerx4

@Mr_Shiftright,
You mean Presidents Day Free dues for a year is over?

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

Create an idiot-proof system and Mother Nature will provide the idiot to prove it wrong.

I had an econ professor who always said that in a capitalistic society if you build a better mousetrap someone will come along and build a better mouse.

oldfarmer50

isellhondas said:

Thanks to Stever and Karen, I am back in business here after several weeks of frustration. Hard drive failed on our old computer which caused a boatload of problems including the loss of my Edmunds password. For 20 years (literally) it auto filled so I had no idea what it was. I had about given up but I hollered for help one final time and Stever came running and so did Karen.

They must think I'm OK or they could have kept their mouths shut.

And I kept all of my seniority too along with my valuable badges and my 401K and 4 weeks of vacation time.

Who are you again?

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

Thanks to Stever and Karen, I am back in business here after several weeks of frustration. Hard drive failed on our old computer which caused a boatload of problems including the loss of my Edmunds password. For 20 years (literally) it auto filled so I had no idea what it was. I had about given up but I hollered for help one final time and Stever came running and so did Karen.

They must think I'm OK or they could have kept their mouths shut.

And I kept all of my seniority too along with my valuable badges and my 401K and 4 weeks of vacation time.

Who are you again?

Glad to see you back isell.

nyccarguy

Hi Craig!

abacomike

isellhondas said:

Thanks to Stever and Karen, I am back in business here after several weeks of frustration. Hard drive failed on our old computer which caused a boatload of problems including the loss of my Edmunds password. For 20 years (literally) it auto filled so I had no idea what it was. I had about given up but I hollered for help one final time and Stever came running and so did Karen. They must think I'm OK or they could have kept their mouths shut. And I kept all of my seniority too along with my valuable badges and my 401K and 4 weeks of vacation time.

But what about that great pension?  That's the one benefit that's kept me here - except cdnpinhead to keep my mind sharp trying to figure out what language he's posting in!  

jwm40517

I became an official old geezer today. After considering for 6 months I bought a 2007 Mercury GM LS with 67K from the estate of a 92 year old one owner. A thick package with every oil change and service at his local Ford Mercury dealer from new. A careful old guy, not a single dent or other boo boo.

After awhile I realized I had sort of become my father as he alternated Fords and Mercurys when I was a kid.He had Mercurys from 1949, 57, and 63. When I was in my 20s and 30s I had 5 Corvettes and a bunch of SS Chevy II"s and Chevelles and now I have an old guys car with a trunk big enough for several bodies if I need the room. Under the hood you can see the ground on each side of the engine and a large space between the engine and radiator.

abacomike

explorerx4 said:

@Mr_Shiftright, You mean Presidents Day Free dues for a year is over?

Oops!  I guess I shouldn't mention that there are no more dues for those of us who have uninterrupted membership for 5+ years! 

driver100

jwm40517 said:

I became an official old geezer today. After considering for 6 months I bought a 2007 Mercury GM LS with 67K from the estate of a 92 year old one owner. A thick package with every oil change and service at his local Ford Mercury dealer from new. A careful old guy, not a single dent or other boo boo.

After awhile I realized I had sort of become my father as he alternated Fords and Mercurys when I was a kid.He had Mercurys from 1949, 57, and 63. When I was in my 20s and 30s I had 5 Corvettes and a bunch of SS Chevy II"s and Chevelles and now I have an old guys car with a trunk big enough for several bodies if I need the room. Under the hood you can see the ground on each side of the engine and a large space between the engine and radiator.

You are lucky jwm. There are lots of us who would love an old geezer car like that one.....especially oldfarmer. He may make you an offer soon. There are lots of those old Mercs in Florida, and they look so majestic when you see them in really good condition. Enjoy the geezer car.

abacomike

driver100 said:

I became an official old geezer today. After considering for 6 months I bought a 2007 Mercury GM LS with 67K from the estate of a 92 year old one owner. A thick package with every oil change and service at his local Ford Mercury dealer from new. A careful old guy, not a single dent or other boo boo. After awhile I realized I had sort of become my father as he alternated Fords and Mercurys when I was a kid.He had Mercurys from 1949, 57, and 63. When I was in my 20s and 30s I had 5 Corvettes and a bunch of SS Chevy II"s and Chevelles and now I have an old guys car with a trunk big enough for several bodies if I need the room. Under the hood you can see the ground on each side of the engine and a large space between the engine and radiator.

You are lucky jwm. There are lots of us who would love an old geezer car like that one.....especially oldfarmer. He may make you an offer soon. There are lots of those old Mercs in Florida, and they look so majestic when you see them in really good condition. Enjoy the geezer car.

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roadburner

snakeweasel said:

There is a private track club south of here that offers driving courses like that. I was talking to one of the instructors who had spent some time driving stock car races. He said he prefers that new students start off with more mundane "family" type sedans rather than high power cars. Something about making the same mistakes at a much safer speed being better.

The other problem is that the Red Mist often descends when the driver of a powerful car has to give a point-by to a car with maybe half the horsepower of his- because the "lesser" car is being piloted by a better driver.
That's one reason my son's first car was a 1975 2002.

iluvmysephia1

And I kept all of my seniority too along with my valuable badges and my 401K and 4 weeks of vacation time.


Nice ta have ya back ta our Cars 'R Us country club here, isell!

Shifty - your comment on the common rich person buying a 700hp Bugatti or name your own poison and just tooling aimlessly towards oblivion brought ta mind the horrible crash that brought the end of Paul Walker's life. Why did his friend lose control of that Porsche? Same old 'speed was chirped up too hard and too fast for conditions' deal? What a shame that crash was.

jwm40517

Thanks Driver & Mike, I had looked at some Florida condo cars with less miles but happened to find this one 25 miles away. I 75 is shut down in north TN for at least a few days, maybe more, and my real job of accounting makes it hard for a road trip this time of year.