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abacomike

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

Very nice cars Andre. Where would the license go on the front of the TT. (if you had to have one) How did you get a rear license with the Audi logo? I don't know about other states but in Florida you can choose from about 50 designer plate designs.

That rear plate is just an advertisement for my selling dealer. It's a cardboard or plastic cutout painted white with the Audi logo on it, framed with "Audi Escondido"chome-look plastic frame. Not a real plate. The front plate goes smack dab in the center-middle of the front grill. You can't see the brackets and holes for screws because they hid them on angled brackets behind the horizontal grill. So you install a plastic rectangle trim piece that sits on top with 2 screws holding it in place plus friction/compression, and then you install the aluminum plate with 2 more screws that go into that plastic trim holder. the aftermarket sells tow hitch license plate holders too.

I used to live near Escondido - Carmel Mountain Ranch - just off I-15.  Beautiful area near Poway and Rancho Bernardo.

My sister and her family lives in Rancho Bernardo as well.

One of the nicer areas of the suburban San Diego area.  Of all the places I've lived in my lifetime, northern San Diego County was the best!

jmonroe

Look at this email I got. More bad grammar. Anyone else in here get one of these lately?

Although the word Google shows when I copied it here, on my email it looked like the real Google icon and the "View messages" shown below was a box to click on.

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driver100

jmonroe said:

Here goes, the final chapter of Son #1 buying his 2016 Kia van:
Son #1: I'll tell you what. Maybe they shouldn't care about how I buy cars. If you're on a car site, more than likely they buy more often than me.
He's probably right about that. His plan is to keep this van for 6 or 7 years and he has a track record to prove it.
Now all he has to do is sell his '08 Town and Country with around 180K miles on it. I don't think that is going to be real easy to do.
jmonroe

Thanks for answering all the questions. I really liked that your son was OK paying the extra $100 to buy from the dealer who treated him better. Reasoning was good too, about $1.50 a month more to buy a car from a dealer who is much more trustworthy.

nyccarguy

The more things change, the more they stay the same.  I have a customer who is educated, a 50/50 partner with her husband in a construction business, and is one of the most down to earth people you will ever meet.  She is also Dominican and very attractive.  She went car shopping with her sister yesterday.  Her sister has a Camry lease expiring and wants a new one.  They walk into a Toyota dealership and immediately are approached by salesmen who are literally tripping over their tongues & are cat calling them from across the dealership.  She was asked where her husband was... You get the idea.  She walked out.  They went to another dealership about 20 minutes away and her sister got a new Camry.

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

Very nice cars Andre.
Where would the license go on the front of the TT. (if you had to have one)
How did you get a rear license with the Audi logo?

I don't know about other states but in Florida you can choose from about 50 designer plate designs.

That rear plate is just an advertisement for my selling dealer.

The front plate goes smack dab in the center-middle of the front grill. You can't see the brackets and holes for screws because they hid them on angled brackets behind the horizontal grill.

the aftermarket sells tow hitch license plate holders too.

Thanks for answering....inquiring minds and all that

andres3

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

sda said:

andres3--

Very nice, both cars! I would be delighted to have either one.

Ditto, but what is that giant sticker on the windshield, some sort of temp. tag?

And what's on the hood of the Jetta....3rd picture down?

Good eyes! I had grabbed a letter out of the mailbox, and set it down temporarily on the hood of the Golf Wagon to take pictures. Talk about photo bombing your own photo!

The sticker on the windshield is the temporary registration/tag. All new cars get it in CA. It is a sign that you don't need to be pulled over for not having license plates since you have a "new" car.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

$34000 w 400 miles. 8 cylinder.





http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45404&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CROSSFIRE&showcaseOwnerId=68946555&makeCode1=CHRY&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=500&showcaseListingId=428633110&mmt=[CHRY[CROSSFIRE[]][]]&listingId=414442083&Log=0

Seems a little high for a car missing it's rear end!

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

sda said:

andres3--

Very nice, both cars! I would be delighted to have either one.

Ditto, but what is that giant sticker on the windshield, some sort of temp. tag?

And what's on the hood of the Jetta....3rd picture down?

Good eyes! I had grabbed a letter out of the mailbox, and set it down temporarily on the hood of the Golf Wagon to take pictures. Talk about photo bombing your own photo!

The sticker on the windshield is the temporary registration/tag. All new cars get it in CA. It is a sign that you don't need to be pulled over for not having license plates since you have a "new" car.

Thanks for explanation. At least it wasn't a coffee, it is always fun when someone buys a Tim Hortons or Dunkin coffee, and puts it on their roof while they unlock the car door.....and then forget their coffee and drive off!

andres3

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Very nice cars Andre.
Where would the license go on the front of the TT. (if you had to have one)
How did you get a rear license with the Audi logo?

I don't know about other states but in Florida you can choose from about 50 designer plate designs.

What are you doing collecting information or what?

HE MIGHT BE EXPORTING CARS....THOUGHT I MIGHT GET A REWARD!

I don't think Audi is permitted to sell their cars in states that require both front and rear plates.

ALL CARS IN CANADA NEED FRONT AND BACK PLATES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANY STATE ALLOWS JUST REAR PLATES. IF SOMEONE RUNS ME DOWN I AT LEAST WANT A CHANCE AT SEEING THE PLATE.

In PA there are only a couple plate designs to chose from. I think tickets cost more when you have designer plates in PA so that's why I go with the standard.

I GET IT IF YOU WANT TO ADVERTISE A BUSINESS OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING CLEVER TO SAY, OR IF YOU WANT TO SAY WHO YOU ARE (SUZYS PT), BUT I WOULD NEVER PAY EXTRA FOR A LOT OF THE PLATES I HAVE SEEN.





If someone runs you down, you'll be looking at them from the rear if they are trying to get away. Just can't see any logical reason on God's green Earth why you'd need a front plate.

stickguy

Many years ago I went to a work conference at the rancho Bernardo inn. As I recall it was beautiful area. And nice golf course!

imidazol97

Here's an article on a nitrogen system using tank source for real nitrogen.
Note the various flaws in the concentrator systems that it lists.

If Nitrogen were helpful for tires, wouldn't the manufacturers fill the tires with N2 from the factory?

They could pull a vacuum on the tire already on the rim and then fill with N2 having very little atmospheric O2 and other gases in the mix? They do this with brake fluid.

But they don't put in the concentrated N2 at the factory.

A bigger problem is the water on the outside of the tire at the bead with the various anti-icing chemicals in it that corrodes the rims over a period of time causing seepage.

http://www.autoprodistributing.com/nitrogen-resources/the-truth-about-nitrogen-generating-machines.aspx

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

Here's an article on a nitrogen system using tank source for real nitrogen. Note the various flaws in the concentrator systems that it lists. If Nitrogen were helpful for tires, wouldn't the manufacturers fill the tires with N2 from the factory? They could pull a vacuum on the tire already on the rim and then fill with N2 having very little atmospheric O2 and other gases in the mix? They do this with brake fluid. But they don't put in the concentrated N2 at the factory. A bigger problem is the water on the outside of the tire at the bead with the various anti-icing chemicals in it that corrodes the rims over a period of time causing seepage.

You mentioned an article - where is it? 

andres3

abacomike said:

Michaell said:

abacomike said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

Very nice cars Andre.
Where would the license go on the front of the TT. (if you had to have one)
How did you get a rear license with the Audi logo?

I don't know about other states but in Florida you can choose from about 50 designer plate designs.

That rear plate is just an advertisement for my selling dealer. It's a cardboard or plastic cutout painted white with the Audi logo on it, framed with "Audi Escondido"chome-look plastic frame. Not a real plate.

The front plate goes smack dab in the center-middle of the front grill. You can't see the brackets and holes for screws because they hid them on angled brackets behind the horizontal grill. So you install a plastic rectangle trim piece that sits on top with 2 screws holding it in place plus friction/compression, and then you install the aluminum plate with 2 more screws that go into that plastic trim holder.

the aftermarket sells tow hitch license plate holders too.

I used to live near Escondido - Carmel Mountain Ranch - just off I-15.  Beautiful area near Poway and Rancho Bernardo.

My sister and her family lives in Rancho Bernardo as well.

One of the nicer areas of the suburban San Diego area.  Of all the places I've lived in my lifetime, northern San Diego County was the best!

Sounds like a cross-country road trip should be in your future. You could come back to Northern San Diego County. That way you could put some miles on that nice Mercedes you got.

ab348

I always sort of liked the Crossfire roadsters. I remember around '04 or so when they were first introduced, driving past a Chrysler dealership that had the first one I had ever seen parked out front with the top down. It was a light metallic blue with a creamy-beige leather interior and it looked great. I have to think even with the V-6 they would be fairly quick given how small they are. But they are totally impractical of course, like the Solistice.

Michaell

ab348 said:

I always sort of liked the Crossfire roadsters. I remember around '04 or so when they were first introduced, driving past a Chrysler dealership that had the first one I had ever seen parked out front with the top down. It was a light metallic blue with a creamy-beige leather interior and it looked great. I have to think even with the V-6 they would be fairly quick given how small they are. But they are totally impractical of course, like the Solistice.

My memories of the Crossfire are a bit different. Wife and I stopped by the dealer to take a look at the roadster not long after they were released. Could not, for the life of us, figure out how to get the top to go down. Had 3 or 4 salesman take a look at it - no luck for them, either.

abacomike

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

Very nice cars Andre. Where would the license go on the front of the TT. (if you had to have one) How did you get a rear license with the Audi logo? I don't know about other states but in Florida you can choose from about 50 designer plate designs.

That rear plate is just an advertisement for my selling dealer. It's a cardboard or plastic cutout painted white with the Audi logo on it, framed with "Audi Escondido"chome-look plastic frame. Not a real plate. The front plate goes smack dab in the center-middle of the front grill. You can't see the brackets and holes for screws because they hid them on angled brackets behind the horizontal grill. So you install a plastic rectangle trim piece that sits on top with 2 screws holding it in place plus friction/compression, and then you install the aluminum plate with 2 more screws that go into that plastic trim holder. the aftermarket sells tow hitch license plate holders too.

I used to live near Escondido - Carmel Mountain Ranch - just off I-15.  Beautiful area near Poway and Rancho Bernardo.

My sister and her family lives in Rancho Bernardo as well.

One of the nicer areas of the suburban San Diego area.  Of all the places I've lived in my lifetime, northern San Diego County was the best!

Sounds like a cross-country road trip should be in your future. You could come back to Northern San Diego County. That way you could put some miles on that nice Mercedes you got.

Long road trips are not in my future.  A couple of hours driving is about all I can handle these days.  I went to visit my mother's and grandmother's graves on Mothers Day and it was a two hour round trip.  That was enough for me.  Since I got sick, I've slowed down a lot.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

$34000 w 400 miles. 8 cylinder.





http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45404&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CROSSFIRE&showcaseOwnerId=68946555&makeCode1=CHRY&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=500&showcaseListingId=428633110&mmt=[CHRY[CROSSFIRE[]][]]&listingId=414442083&Log=0

So someone snuck into the warehouse and swaped the 3.2L 6 with an 8cyl.? Very rare car indeed.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

I always sort of liked the Crossfire roadsters. I remember around '04 or so when they were first introduced, driving past a Chrysler dealership that had the first one I had ever seen parked out front with the top down. It was a light metallic blue with a creamy-beige leather interior and it looked great. I have to think even with the V-6 they would be fairly quick given how small they are. But they are totally impractical of course, like the Solistice.

Unlike the Solstice I could actually fit in a Crossfire, abet snugly. Not real fast in the non supercharged version ( on paper my Eclipse was faster). Handled well, bit of a rough ride. New it was too much money for not enough WOW!

Used is a different story. Friend at work got a 2005 w 50k miles for about $6,000.

henryn

Yesterday, Sunday, took a long drive out to the countryside in the rental 2016 Town & Country. About 150 miles all in, about 30% freeway, 60% Farm to Market Roads, and and then a little on gravel roads.

Saw some nice scenery. The van behaved very well, my rear didn't go numb, and my knee didn't ache. All in all, a nice enjoyable drive.

imidazol97

abacomike said:

You mentioned an article - where is it? 

It's here. I did something wrong the first time.
http://www.autoprodistributing.com/nitrogen-resources/the-truth-about-nitrogen-generating-machines.aspx

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

You mentioned an article - where is it? 

It's here. http://www.autoprodistributing.com/nitrogen-resources/the-truth-about-nitrogen-generating-machines.aspx

Thanks, Imid.  As I mentioned, these extractors are not cheap and there is a tremendous amount of maintenance necessary.  I believe most dealerships use nitrogen from tanks.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45404&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CROSSFIRE&showcaseOwnerId=68946555&makeCode1=CHRY&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=500&showcaseListingId=428633110&mmt=[CHRY[CROSSFIRE[]][]]&listingId=414442083&Log=0

So someone snuck into the warehouse and swaped the 3.2L 6 with an 8cyl.? Very rare car indeed.



That makes it one-of-a-kind. Raises the price. LOL

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

I was skeptical about using nitrogen instead of air in tires until I read this excellent article. There are several advantages, the biggest one being air contains oxygen, and oxygen rots things like tires and wheels. Air contains 20% oxygen and that oxygen does cause rot. Another factor is oxygen is a smaller molecule, and so some of the air pressure escapes....approx 1 to 3 pounds a month. Nitrogen won't escape.

An interesting statistic was:
Americans alone waste over 8.5 million gallons of fuel EACH DAY due to under inflated tires.

Ful article:

WHY USE NITROGEN IN TIRES

A few issues, first about rotting the tire. I have been driving for 40 years and have yet to have a tire rot out from the inside.

Secondly yes oxygen is a smaller molecule that nitrogen, nitrogen is 2.7% bigger than O2, big difference. So yes nitrogen will escape and you will likely not notice any difference in the rate of deflation.

snakeweasel

PF_Flyer said:

Did an experiment with my mountain bike and purged the air and filled the tires with nitrogen. They maintained pressure a lot longer than just using air, so there's definitely something to the molecule size and leakage.

I don't see how that can be since the two molecules are practically the same size, nitrogen is 300 picometers and O2 is 292 picometers (a picometer is on trillionth of a meter). that would suggest a minimal, if at all measurable difference in leakage. But if it were true there would be a booming business in selling nitrogen canisters to cyclists and not the CO2 canisters that everyone sells.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

I was skeptical about using nitrogen instead of air in tires until I read this excellent article. There are several advantages, the biggest one being air contains oxygen, and oxygen rots things like tires and wheels. Air contains 20% oxygen and that oxygen does cause rot. Another factor is oxygen is a smaller molecule, and so some of the air pressure escapes....approx 1 to 3 pounds a month. Nitrogen won't escape.

An interesting statistic was:
Americans alone waste over 8.5 million gallons of fuel EACH DAY due to under inflated tires.

Ful article:

WHY USE NITROGEN IN TIRES

A few issues, first about rotting the tire. I have been driving for 40 years and have yet to have a tire rot out from the inside.

Secondly yes oxygen is a smaller molecule that nitrogen, nitrogen is 2.7% bigger than O2, big difference. So yes nitrogen will escape and you will likely not notice any difference in the rate of deflation.

Costco uses Nitrogen and has low prices on Michelin tires. I think I've noticed a reduced pressure loss over time. Of course, that all goes by the wayside when you get a nail/screw puncture. That's just my unscientific unmeasured take and perception on the issue.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

I was skeptical about using nitrogen instead of air in tires until I read this excellent article. There are several advantages, the biggest one being air contains oxygen, and oxygen rots things like tires and wheels. Air contains 20% oxygen and that oxygen does cause rot. Another factor is oxygen is a smaller molecule, and so some of the air pressure escapes....approx 1 to 3 pounds a month. Nitrogen won't escape.

An interesting statistic was:
Americans alone waste over 8.5 million gallons of fuel EACH DAY due to under inflated tires.

Ful article:

WHY USE NITROGEN IN TIRES

A few issues, first about rotting the tire. I have been driving for 40 years and have yet to have a tire rot out from the inside.

Secondly yes oxygen is a smaller molecule that nitrogen, nitrogen is 2.7% bigger than O2, big difference. So yes nitrogen will escape and you will likely not notice any difference in the rate of deflation.

Costco uses Nitrogen and has low prices on Michelin tires. I think I've noticed a reduced pressure loss over time. Of course, that all goes by the wayside when you get a nail/screw puncture. That's just my unscientific unmeasured take and perception on the issue.

I have a friend who is somewhat knowledgeable on gasses and he said yes the nitrogen will deflate slower but that's like saying 30 below zero is warmer than 31 below zero, yes it's warmer but it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

Unlike the Solstice I could actually fit in a Crossfire, abet snugly. Not real fast in the non supercharged version ( on paper my Eclipse was faster). Handled well, bit of a rough ride. New it was too much money for not enough WOW!

Used is a different story. Friend at work got a 2005 w 50k miles for about $6,000.

Up here in Canada they are holding their value well. I did a national search on Auto Trader and there are very few under $10K and nice ones are considerably more. I was surprised how miled-up some of them are.

stever

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oldfarmer50

henryn said:

Yesterday, Sunday, took a long drive out to the countryside in the rental 2016 Town & Country. About 150 miles all in, about 30% freeway, 60% Farm to Market Roads, and and then a little on gravel roads.

Saw some nice scenery. The van behaved very well, my rear didn't go numb, and my knee didn't ache. All in all, a nice enjoyable drive.

Our school has 2 2008 T&Cs we use as buses. They have over 150k miles and run fine. They are considered the "limos" of the fleet and are highly desired by the drivers. I use to drive them on 250 mile round trips to a special school twice a week and found them a step up from van based buses.

berri

When you guys lived near Escondido, did the Deer Park Winery have it's collection of post war convertibles? I saw that collection in maybe late 90's or very early 00's. As I recall they had a series of 3 or 4 barns on the property there that contained the convertibles and related things from their era like TV's, radio's and appliances. Very neat place. The wife was a Barbie fan and there was another building with her huge Barbie collection.

Now Poway, I remember some years back that there was some cable TV show about a family mortuary there. Yeah, I can remember that drivel and forget important stuff

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Very nice cars Andre.
Where would the license go on the front of the TT. (if you had to have one)
How did you get a rear license with the Audi logo?

I don't know about other states but in Florida you can choose from about 50 designer plate designs.

What are you doing collecting information or what?

HE MIGHT BE EXPORTING CARS....THOUGHT I MIGHT GET A REWARD!

I don't think Audi is permitted to sell their cars in states that require both front and rear plates.

ALL CARS IN CANADA NEED FRONT AND BACK PLATES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANY STATE ALLOWS JUST REAR PLATES. IF SOMEONE RUNS ME DOWN I AT LEAST WANT A CHANCE AT SEEING THE PLATE.

In PA there are only a couple plate designs to chose from. I think tickets cost more when you have designer plates in PA so that's why I go with the standard.

I GET IT IF YOU WANT TO ADVERTISE A BUSINESS OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING CLEVER TO SAY, OR IF YOU WANT TO SAY WHO YOU ARE (SUZYS PT), BUT I WOULD NEVER PAY EXTRA FOR A LOT OF THE PLATES I HAVE SEEN.





If someone runs you down, you'll be looking at them from the rear if they are trying to get away. Just can't see any logical reason on God's green Earth why you'd need a front plate.

If they back up over me

driver100

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Unlike the Solstice I could actually fit in a Crossfire, abet snugly. Not real fast in the non supercharged version ( on paper my Eclipse was faster). Handled well, bit of a rough ride. New it was too much money for not enough WOW!

Used is a different story. Friend at work got a 2005 w 50k miles for about $6,000.

Up here in Canada they are holding their value well. I did a national search on Auto Trader and there are very few under $10K and nice ones are considerably more. I was surprised how miled-up some of them are.

$10k Canadian is about $6k US.

abacomike

@berri:

I am not familiar with the Deer Park Winery, berri.  Perhaps andres is.  I remember I leased my 1991 Mercedes 300E from San Diego Mercedes-Benz which is just south of Poway.  I have a vague recollection of that family-run mortuary that was on cable.

But my 1-1/2 years in Carmel Mountain Ranch were outstanding.  The weather was perfect and the Freeways plentiful for getting around the county.  From my second floor patio/porch, I could see in the distance The Miramar Naval Air Station.  F-16's were always flying in and out of there.  I lived on the side of a mountain about 2000 feet up so I could see quite a distance.  I miss living there. 

snakeweasel

berri said:

The wife was a Barbie fan and there was another building with her huge Barbie collection.

The image that popped in my mind when I read that was of the Barbie Museum in the movie "Rat Race".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMPom6-xmA

berri

View of Miramar - neat. But being Navy you were probably either seeing F-14's or F-18's. The Air Force flies the F-15's and F-16's. Not sure if the Marines fly any F-16's though. You generally want two engines off a carrier, the F-16 is single engine. You want to see something neat - check out an A-10 Warthog firing that 30mm cannon close to ground. It will literally shake the ground you are standing on - might want to be wearing some Depends if it surprises you though

berri

Got to do your homework sometimes Snake!

abacomike

berri said:

View of Miramar - neat. But being Navy you were probably either seeing F-14's or F-18's. The Air Force flies the F-15's and F-16's. Not sure if the Marines fly any F-16's though. You generally want two engines off a carrier, the F-16 is single engine. You want to see something neat - check out an A-10 Warthog firing that 30mm cannon close to ground. It will literally shake the ground you are standing on - might want to be wearing some Depends if it surprises you though

You are correct.  They were twin engine aircraft - but they also flew single engine aircraft in and out of there.  Remember, I lived there in 1991-1992.  I believe Miramar was not the Top Gun air base any longer at that time and had been turned over to the Air Force or the Marines as a training station for pilots, IIRC.

berri

So Aba - how did you end up in So Florida instead of SoCal - trouble with navigation? Just Kidding!

berri

Aba - had to check it out and the Marines do fly a few F-16's.

snakeweasel

berri said:

Got to do your homework sometimes Snake!

Huh?

abacomike

berri said:

So Aba - how did you end up in So Florida instead of SoCal - trouble with navigation? Just Kidding!

Lived in NYC until I was 22 years old.  Moved to Chicago to get my Masters Degree on a fellowship.  Lived there 22 years.  Moved to Southern CA and eventually went into private schooling in the Pslm Springs area and also in the San Fernando Valley in North LA.  Moved to PA where I served as VP of a private school and then moved to FL where I went into the car business and took care of my Dad.

Been lots of places and seen lots of things.  And, no, my GPS works fine! 

ab348

driver100 said:

$10k Canadian is about $6k US.

Tell you what, I'll give you $6K USD and you give me $10K Cdn. Deal?

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

$10k Canadian is about $6k US.

Tell you what, I'll give you $6K USD and you give me $10K Cdn. Deal?

CDN $ has risen from the low point, with exchange fees $6k USD is about $8k CDN.

ab348

There ya go. (I've been watching old McCloud reruns).

PF_Flyer

snakeweasel said:

PF_Flyer said:

Did an experiment with my mountain bike and purged the air and filled the tires with nitrogen. They maintained pressure a lot longer than just using air, so there's definitely something to the molecule size and leakage.

I don't see how that can be since the two molecules are practically the same size, nitrogen is 300 picometers and O2 is 292 picometers (a picometer is on trillionth of a meter). that would suggest a minimal, if at all measurable difference in leakage. But if it were true there would be a booming business in selling nitrogen canisters to cyclists and not the CO2 canisters that everyone sells.

All I know is that my bike tires stay at pressure FAR longer using nitrogen. After 4+ years of using nitrogen in our vehicle's tires, I'd say the same applies there. Now nitrogen is not a "magic bullet". The way I explain it is that the tires stay at proper pressure longer. That's what leads to less degradation of mileage and less tire wear. I stay on top of my tire maintenance - pressures, regular rotations - so I assume the effect is small for me. If I ignored my tires and ran until I noticed that they looked underinflated, it would no doubt help a little more.

Perhaps I'll redo the experiment this summer and record everything to see how "measureable" things are

berri

Huh?

Just meant that sometimes things aren't what they initially seem like in that movie clip you posted

stever

Two year anniversary for the van is coming up this weekend. Naturally the battery didn't want to crank the van thirty minutes ago heading out to the eye doc.

It's hitting the 90s here now so I bet the heat is killing it. Need to swing by Wally's and get a load test. Not sure how old it is.

Don't know about my tires but my eye pressure is good.

henryn

My last truck, the 2013 F150, I kept for about 18 months. And I never added air to any of the tires. My new truck is about 8 months old, and I have never added air to any of the tires. And I most definitely did not pay for "nitrogen", and neither truck has or had green valve stem caps.

Now the chrome rims on my 2006 DTS tend to leak, rather slowly. A matter of trying to get the bead to seal properly, well known problem with chrome rims on older Cadillacs. If I air all of the tires up to 32 psi cold, within a week to 10 days I will have one or two down to 26 psi, sitting off the TPMS. PITA, but ...

driver100

stever said:

Two year anniversary for the van is coming up this weekend. Naturally the battery didn't want to crank the van thirty minutes ago heading out to the eye doc.

It's hitting the 90s here now so I bet the heat is killing it. Need to swing by Wally's and get a load test. Not sure how old it is.

Don't know about my tires but my eye pressure is good.

Maybe nitrogen would make it even better!

driver100

henryn said:

My last truck, the 2013 F150, I kept for about 18 months. And I never added air to any of the tires. My new truck is about 8 months old, and I have never added air to any of the tires. And I most definitely did not pay for "nitrogen", and neither truck has or had green valve stem caps.

Now the chrome rims on my 2006 DTS tend to leak, rather slowly. A matter of trying to get the bead to seal properly, well known problem with chrome rims on older Cadillacs. If I air all of the tires up to 32 psi cold, within a week to 10 days I will have one or two down to 26 psi, sitting off the TPMS. PITA, but ...

Maybe tires are built better these days...to maintain air pressure. The E400 uses air, and they lost pressure after 15 months and 20k miles. If nitrogen lasts longer, it would have to at least 6 months longer, I would consider it.

BUT, I know if the warning monitor says tire pressure is low, I have a good chance of getting to a place that has air, but, how easy is it to find a place that sells nitro?