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roadburner

For those of you who don't follow the Chronic Car Buyers topic...
I am now leasing 2016 i3 REX(Range EXtender). It's a Tera loaded with every available option. Mrs. RB loves it, and I like it a lot as well.
The story is that a friend of mine at the dealer leased it and then hurt his back and the seats no longer fit him well(he's on the tall side). I assumed his lease. I have 22 months and a bit over 19,000 miles left. It's a much better deal than I could have obtained on my own because at the time of the lease I didn't have my 90 days in(to get a full employee discount) and I wasn't a current BMW Financial Services customer. He paid the $500 assumption charge and I reimbursed his upfronts: $1,900. $1,050 of that are MSDs which I will get back. The monthly payment is $105. I normally wouldn't lease but that deal was just too good to pass up. Here it is getting a full charge before the journey to its new home:

oldfarmer50

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roadburner said:

For those of you who don't follow the Chronic Car Buyers topic...
I am now leasing 2016 i3 REX(Range EXtender). It's a Tera loaded with every available option. Mrs. RB loves it, and I like it a lot as well.
The story is that a friend of mine at the dealer leased it and then hurt his back and the seats no longer fit him well(he's on the tall side). I assumed his lease. I have 22 months and a bit over 19,000 miles left. It's a much better deal than I could have obtained on my own because at the time of the lease I didn't have my 90 days in(to get a full employee discount) and I wasn't a current BMW Financial Services customer. He paid the $500 assumption charge and I reimbursed his upfronts: $1,900. $1,050 of that are MSDs which I will get back. The monthly payment is $105. I normally wouldn't lease but that deal was just too good to pass up. Here it is getting a full charge before the journey to its new home:

That's the last car I would expect to see you drive.

driver100

That i3REX is pretty cool. Is that a rear door? If the fill up is in the back, what is the little door on the front fender?
You got a great deal.
I would have trouble buying an i3 or any EV at this time in spite of the NY Times article about how bad leasing is....there seems to be new developments all the time, and who knows how costly it will be over the long term.

qbrozen

If the rear is the power receptacle, I assume the front one is the gas filler

stever

The Volt is that way, but the fuel doors are on opposite sides iirc.

driver100

Hope he doesn't get them mixed up.

graphicguy

OK...I'm in the "kind of interested" mode with the Jag. That's a far cry from "I'm headed out this weekend to swing a deal" mode.

IF (HUGE IF) I could sell the CTS (no trade as I'll get slaughtered), maybe I would pull the trigger on the Jag. But, I don't have the CTS for sale. Might mention it to a few people who could spread the word it's on the market and see if anyone bites.

I must be the lone person here who likes the black wheels on the black Jag. Then again, I also liked the "beak" styling on the previous gen Acura TL, too.

Michaell

stickguy said:

more like $240

unless you are adding in an extra 3 months at 617? That gets it closer. But not apples to apple

Yes, 33 months with a $17 difference, then 3 additional months at $627 per.

Why not apples to apples? Your total cost of the 33 month lease is $2400 less than the total cost of the 36 month lease.

Mr_Shiftright

I think you should compare on a 33-month basis for both, since the 33-month leasee will probably take another lease, and you wouldn't include the first 3 months of that new lease into your calculations.

Michaell

Mr_Shiftright said:

I think you should compare on a 33-month basis for both, since the 33-month leasee will probably take another lease, and you wouldn't include the first 3 months of that new lease into your calculations.

Fair point.

But, I was simply comparing the total cost of the 33 month lease to the 36 month lease. @graphicguy may or may not lease another car when this lease is done - certainly an atypical customer in that respect.

Mr_Shiftright

Either way works.

roadburner

driver100 said:

That i3REX is pretty cool. Is that a rear door? If the fill up is in the back, what is the little door on the front fender?
You got a great deal.
I would have trouble buying an i3 or any EV at this time in spite of the NY Times article about how bad leasing is....there seems to be new developments all the time, and who knows how costly it will be over the long term.

As qbrozen noted, the rear door is the charge port and the front door is for the fuel tank.And it is a four door; the rear doors are "coach" or "suicide" doors- you have to open a front door before you can open a rear door.

Mr_Shiftright

Oh, like the RX-8.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

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roadburner said:

For those of you who don't follow the Chronic Car Buyers topic...
I am now leasing 2016 i3 REX(Range EXtender). It's a Tera loaded with every available option. Mrs. RB loves it, and I like it a lot as well.
The story is that a friend of mine at the dealer leased it and then hurt his back and the seats no longer fit him well(he's on the tall side). I assumed his lease. I have 22 months and a bit over 19,000 miles left. It's a much better deal than I could have obtained on my own because at the time of the lease I didn't have my 90 days in(to get a full employee discount) and I wasn't a current BMW Financial Services customer. He paid the $500 assumption charge and I reimbursed his upfronts: $1,900. $1,050 of that are MSDs which I will get back. The monthly payment is $105. I normally wouldn't lease but that deal was just too good to pass up. Here it is getting a full charge before the journey to its new home:

That's the last car I would expect to see you drive.

Me too.

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

Have a ball with it @roadburner. I'm sure you'll give us updates as time goes by.

jmonroe

andres3

bwia said:

I was too quick to praise my insurer. Yesterday I received a surcharge notice from the DMV with an option to appeal the decision. Don't how much surcharge will be except that you get a premium hike for six straight years. This is what happened. 

Three years ago I bought my son a used Altima and made the mistake of putting him on my insurance. To make a long story short he slammed the car into a telephone pole. Result, a total writeoff, except that I did not have comprehensive coverage. Fair enough but my son had a female companion in the car(not his girlfriend).

It's getting better. At the time my son lied to me saying the car was stolen. Thank goodness there was no personal injury but the girl's glasses  were broken and she wanted it replaced at his expense. A couple months later I got a letter from an attorney saying that he had filed a claim against my insurance company for pain suffering.

The case dragged on for over two years before my insurance company settled for seven grand. Now the insurance company wants its money back in form of a surcharge. I can appeal but I don't think I stand chance. 
 

I say ignore the bill. Your insurance company (at least in CA) is probably past the statue of limitations in trying to sue you for something happened more than 2 years ago. For some reason the 4 year mark comes up in my memory too for something or other, is that coming up soon?

andres3

driver100 said:

Just heard from insurance company.....all set, paying for the Tech Packages so they will pay full replacement value for the 2017, just a few things I have to cover like registration etc....probably $2000 to get a brand new 2017.

Was it worth it, not really, but not bad, probably worth about $30000 trading from a 2015 to a 2017.

Does Canada refund registration fees? I know that having your car totaled is one of the few if maybe the only way to get a refund in CA,

andres3

stever said:

Let the Lessee Beware: Car Leases Can Be the Most Binding of Contracts (NY Times)

Such a silly article. What part of leasing don't leasers understand? Whether it is an apartment or a car a lease is a contract to rent something for an agreed upon term of time at an agreed upon price. It has nothing to do with whether you use it or not. The owner doesn't care whether you live in the apartment or never drive the car. Silly story.

sda

I took the Pilot to the Honda dealer for service today. We had noticed that the brakes would vibrate from time to time and as we have over 40k on the current brakes, I was thinking time for a brake job and new rotors. Turns out the rotors were warped but the brake pads were still in great shape. They resurfaced the rotors and under a Honda extended warranty replaced both compliance bushings in the front suspension which included a 4 wheel alignment. Though our Pilot has required more repairs than any Honda I've owned, I don't think they've been excessive and several have been covered by Honda--no complaints there. Where I didn't have any concerns on how the Pilot drove before this last visit, it really drives nicely now. 93k

ab348

Just saw a TV ad for this:

https://www.eliomotors.com/

At first I wasn't sure it wasn't a spoof. I'm still not sure it isn't.

Mr_Shiftright

You'd think they would have learned something from Segway....nobody likes to look like a dork using your product.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

OK...I'm in the "kind of interested" mode with the Jag. That's a far cry from "I'm headed out this weekend to swing a deal" mode.

IF (HUGE IF) I could sell the CTS (no trade as I'll get slaughtered), maybe I would pull the trigger on the Jag. But, I don't have the CTS for sale. Might mention it to a few people who could spread the word it's on the market and see if anyone bites.

I must be the lone person here who likes the black wheels on the black Jag. Then again, I also liked the "beak" styling on the previous gen Acura TL, too.

And if it's your money you're spending then your opinion is the only one that matters.

Just don't throw any of MY money at those black wheels.

I wanted to post one of those scam ads from Craigslist but it got flagged. Typical absurdly low price for a fairly new truck with bad English discriptions.

This one said the truck was a "Limited Education".

I guess that was the truest part of the ad.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Just saw a TV ad for this:

https://www.eliomotors.com/

At first I wasn't sure it wasn't a spoof. I'm still not sure it isn't.

I think I saw something about that on TV somewhere or maybe it was here. Great idea if the price can be sustained.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I wanted to post one of those scam ads from Craigslist but it got flagged. Typical absurdly low price for a fairly new truck with bad English discriptions.

This one said the truck was a "Limited Education".

I guess that was the truest part of the ad.

That literally made me laugh out loud.

houdini1

Michaell said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Is the diesel version coming over? I heard it was a very sweet smooth engine.

We have lease numbers for it, so I assume it's available at the dealerships.

The diesel is the lowest priced version, according to Jags site. Starts at $38,000. and tops out at $44,000.

stickguy

I like the XE, and would be happy with the 2.0T. Save a lot that way too!

houdini1

stickguy said:

I like the XE, and would be happy with the 2.0T. Save a lot that way too!

Jag F Pace diesel SUV is nice too. Edmunds gave it an A rating. About the size of the MB GLC. Available this fall. Starts around $41,000.

stickguy

I sat in an F pace last week. quite nice.

oldfarmer50

Saw a VW today for sale. I think it was a diesel Golf TDI. Had those fancy wheels,

Anyway, they wanted $6,000 for it and it had 165k miles. Don't know what year it was but who pays $6,000 for a 165k mile car. Are these really that good?

stickguy

no, not really. They have had a cult following, but not sure how strong that is now. though cars before a certain year are not impacted by the scandal, directly, but probably still tainted.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

Just saw a TV ad for this:

https://www.eliomotors.com/

At first I wasn't sure it wasn't a spoof. I'm still not sure it isn't.

It's for real. I am curious if they can make that price point and that mileage.

snakeweasel

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

Mr_Shiftright

snakeweasel said:

ab348 said:

Just saw a TV ad for this:

https://www.eliomotors.com/

At first I wasn't sure it wasn't a spoof. I'm still not sure it isn't.

It's for real. I am curious if they can make that price point and that mileage.

How long has it been for Elio now? 7 years and they still haven't made a car. They definitely seem to be struggling with financing.

Here's a recent ARTICLE on the ELIO.

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

houdini1

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

I think it was a deal you couldn't pass up and the perfect 3rd car for your situation. Congrats.

oldfarmer50

Oh yeah!



http://www.motortrend.com/news/half-ford-gt-half-mustang-gtt-coming-sema/?wc_mid=4035:3958&wc_rid=4035:1116404&_wcsid=803D36F0164E42D5126522EAB2C8C7A97AA400566129A26A

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

snakeweasel said:

ab348 said:

Just saw a TV ad for this:

https://www.eliomotors.com/

At first I wasn't sure it wasn't a spoof. I'm still not sure it isn't.

It's for real. I am curious if they can make that price point and that mileage.

How long has it been for Elio now? 7 years and they still haven't made a car. They definitely seem to be struggling with financing.

Here's a recent ARTICLE on the ELIO.

Not sure how long they have been at it, I only have a passing interest in the car but do recall reading about it being driven in city streets a few years ago. So it has been at least 3 years, but 7 seems possible.

Looking into it the company was founded in 2009, so it has been 7 years but going from incorporating to funding the company to designing a car to getting manufacturing facilities to testing prototypes does take time. Apparently it was supposed to initially slated or 2004 so now it is 3 years late. Yes it is a financing issue.

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

driver100

The kind of waste disposal truck that hit us:



Picture of Elio:



That is why I won't be buying one!

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

The kind of waste disposal truck that hit us:



Picture of Elio:



That is why I won't be buying one!

Well if I were buying a vehicle simply on the off chance that a large truck was going to slam into me I would get this.

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

The kind of waste disposal truck that hit us:



Picture of Elio:



That is why I won't be buying one!

Well if I were buying a vehicle simply on the off chance that a large truck was going to slam into me I would get this.

These front and back would be good enough for me:

oldfarmer50

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jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

The kind of waste disposal truck that hit us: Picture of Elio: That is why I won't be buying one!

Well if I were buying a vehicle simply on the off chance that a large truck was going to slam into me I would get this.

These front and back would be good enough for me:

Just take a tip from tug boats and just hang old tires around your car.

PF_Flyer

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

ab348

snakeweasel said:

Well if I were buying a vehicle simply on the off chance that a large truck was going to slam into me I would get this.

Don't be silly, Driver needs something like this:



Lots of rear crush space here.

roadburner

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

That sucks hard. My condolences.

graphicguy

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

Yeah...that does suck. Unfortuately, the "fixadent" guys might not be able to help given the crease in the dent.

graphicguy

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure".

She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived.

Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"!

So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it).

Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive.

He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove.

I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me.

"Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one.

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

PF_Flyer

graphicguy said:

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

Yeah...that does suck. Unfortuately, the "fixadent" guys might not be able to help given the crease in the dent.

graphicguy said:

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

Yeah...that does suck. Unfortuately, the "fixadent" guys might not be able to help given the crease in the dent.

It's like the bottom of the door panels were pushed in and up and the panel buckled out. It's all just sheet metal. Lost no lights, car is tracking straight, no fluids showing up. Could have been WAY worse.

houdini1

Not at all. She must have been a politician in a past life. Absolutely no reason not to just tell you the truth. You might even have bought a car. Nothing puts me off like someone lying just because they can.