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Michaell

@graphicguy - I agree with @houdini1. Jaguar should have better than average customer service. They reached out to you, inviting you down. They knew what trim level you were interested in. A simple inventory search would have told them none were in stock. A quick phone call would have told you not to bother; when more stock arrived, I'm sure you would have been happy to come down then.

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

The kind of waste disposal truck that hit us:



Picture of Elio:



That is why I won't be buying one!

Hey, as long as you're wearing your motorcycle helmet you'll be fine!

stever

Bummer Sneakers, this is the second run-in with a deer, right?

driver100

PF_Flyer said:

graphicguy said:

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

Yeah...that does suck. Unfortuately, the "fixadent" guys might not be able to help given the crease in the dent.

graphicguy said:

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

Yeah...that does suck. Unfortuately, the "fixadent" guys might not be able to help given the crease in the dent.

It's like the bottom of the door panels were pushed in and up and the panel buckled out. It's all just sheet metal. Lost no lights, car is tracking straight, no fluids showing up. Could have been WAY worse.

PF.....that is bad news, but like you say could have been worse, especially when those deer come through the windshield. So, what do you do next?

Like GG said, I don't think a dent on a crease can be pushed out.

driver100

stever said:

Bummer Sneakers, this is the second run-in with a deer, right?

That's what I thought, and not that long ago. Maybe you need one of those deer whistles PF.

thebean

graphicguy said:

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure". She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived. Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"! So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it). Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive. He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove. I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me. "Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one. I told her not to bother and left. Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

No, you are not.  That is a disgrace.  They contacted you and said they would have it ready and they totally failed.  I'm afraid I would not have been as nice as you.  I bet they were counting on you loving a Jag so much you would settle for the lesser model.  This is why people hate car dealerships,  

Mr_Shiftright

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

Damn....so he got 3 panels?

imidazol97

graphicguy said:

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

Perfect.

My wife put up with decades of business folk knowing-it-all about how teaching in the classroom should work and telling schools here how things should be run. Now when she finds a glitch, she lets them know. Her favorite line is that she could do their job but they couldn't have done her job for 30.5 with 1st, 3rd, 5th, and special reading kids that she taught at different times in her career. (Most people think they could waltz into a classroom and be effective and organized.)

driver100

GG. It could be a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, whatever that saying means????????

The 2017 model gets great reviews and it is a fun car to drive. Owners seem to love it.
EDMUNDS PROS AND CONS AND REVIEWS

Like I say, I really like to use ultimatums to get things done. This could be a bit of fun, and put you in the driver's seat - so to speak.

When the manager calls you back....and she will, tell her you will come in to test the car again, but tell her if you like the car you want it for $X's, and you want the contract written up and signed, awaiting your signature if you choose to buy the car, she can email it to you. That will show how serious they are. That should help cut to the chase.

stever

Nah, have the salesdrone pick you up at home for the test drive.

driver100

stever said:

Nah, have the salesdrone pick you up at home for the test drive.

Nah, do both!

suydam

i don't know. If the sales department is like that, how can you trust the service?

stever

And then not be home....

houdini1

driver100 said:

GG. It could be a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, whatever that saying means????????

The 2017 model gets great reviews and it is a fun car to drive. Owners seem to love it.
EDMUNDS PROS AND CONS AND REVIEWS

Like I say, I really like to use ultimatums to get things done. This could be a bit of fun, and put you in the driver's seat - so to speak.

When the manager calls you back....and she will, tell her you will come in to test the car again, but tell her if you like the car you want it for $X's, and you want the contract written up and signed, awaiting your signature if you choose to buy the car, she can email it to you. That will show how serious they are. That should help cut to the chase.

I don't know. There are several reviews on line and while mostly favorable, the car has some flaws. I think it was the C&D review that said the car's interior had sort of sub par materials, flimsy armrests, cheap feeling and looking door panels etc. not befitting a luxury car. It also said there were a lot of squeaks and rattles. Early review so could have been a prototype.

oldfarmer50

PF_Flyer said:

Had an encounter with Odocoileus virginianus last night.Sucker came flying out of the brush on a two lane, nowhere to go road. I made a great move, deer lost its footing on the pavement and went down before hitting me. At first glance in the dark, it looked like I had no damage. By the dawn's early light I discovered that at least one front leg went into the left front wheel well and the body of the deer must have hit low on the driver's side front and rear doors. A couple of crimps in the door panels and on the quarter panel. All things considered, I got off light. Some views.

I had one t-bone my school bus a few weeks ago.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure".

She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived.

Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"!

So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it).

Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive.

He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove.

I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me.

"Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one.

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

I don't know, they seem to be selling like hot cakes. Maybe you better grab whatever they throw at you and be grateful. Maybe pay MSRP too so they don't sell them all out from under you.

explorerx4

@graphicguy,
Your treatment by the Jaguar dealership is worthy of the lowest of used car dealers.
Maybe they thought they could take advantage of you because you drive a Cadillac.
Here is a link that you might want to take a look at.
http://www.jaguarusa.com/about-jaguar/jaguar-business/leadership/index.html

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

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jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

jmonroe

graphicguy said:

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure".

She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived.

Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"!

So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it).

Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive.

He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove.

I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me.

"Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one.

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

Now tell us there was a Hyundai store next to the Tesla store and we'd all understand how this happened.

I thought that kind of treatment at dealerships disappeared years ago but I guess not.

jmonroe

ab348

graphicguy said:

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

No you're not.

Those kind of dealers just seem to seek you out.

driver100

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

P

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

How about a Jaguar XE?

stickguy

well, I have decided over that years that more often situations like this are just from dysfunction, not nefarious plans. Add being busy to somewhat disorganized, a few hands in the pot, and they end up with a customer there before realizing they don't have what you wanted to see when they thought they did (but probably did not check).

The salesguy, forgetting you were coming when he called you earlier, that is just odd.

heck, give them credit for actually following up with you. Most places never do call back once you leave.

oldfarmer50

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jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

P

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

Time is running out? For what, buying a 2016 leftover? Or are you trying to tell us that you're getting old?

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

What cars fit on your full luxo list?

houdini1

Grand Marquis?

stickguy

Farmer that is the beauty of a car like the Genesis. Full on luxury and comfort, and can run with a car like your mustang. Maybe not in an autocross, but if your performance use is hammering it on onramps, a 450 HP sedan can do that just fine.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

Farmer that is the beauty of a car like the Genesis. Full on luxury and comfort, and can run with a car like your mustang. Maybe not in an autocross, but if your performance use is hammering it on onramps, a 450 HP sedan can do that just fine.

So why are you looking elsewhere?

driver100

stickguy said:

well, I have decided over that years that more often situations like this are just from dysfunction, not nefarious plans. Add being busy to somewhat disorganized, a few hands in the pot, and they end up with a customer there before realizing they don't have what you wanted to see when they thought they did (but probably did not check).

The salesguy, forgetting you were coming when he called you earlier, that is just odd.

heck, give them credit for actually following up with you. Most places never do call back once you leave.

Some good points stick. Salespeople sell cars if they can. Maybe both cars were in stock when the manager called, and the cars got sold. The last thing the manager and salesman will think about is calling a "potential" customer. A good sign too that those cars sold so fast. It isn't right, and if they were really on top of things they should have called, but, it is Saturday, a sale made is a priority, and that is what usually happens.

stickguy

Farmer, I am not getting one for a few reasons. Don't need that much HP, want better MPG, don't want anything nearly that big, and way out of my budget.

other than that, it's perfect!

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

Funny thing. I was thinking about this today while I was out in the ATS. For some reason I got to thinking about the cars I've owned and which were ones that I would just go out to drive in. The only ones that qualified aside from the old '60s cars I've had were the MR2, the GTI, and the ATS. None of the luxo-boats. That told me something that for now, at age 60, is still true for me. I like sporty cars.

stever

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

well, I have decided over that years that more often situations like this are just from dysfunction, not nefarious plans. Add being busy to somewhat disorganized, a few hands in the pot, and they end up with a customer there before realizing they don't have what you wanted to see when they thought they did (but probably did not check).

The salesguy, forgetting you were coming when he called you earlier, that is just odd.

heck, give them credit for actually following up with you. Most places never do call back once you leave.

Some good points stick. Salespeople sell cars if they can. Maybe both cars were in stock when the manager called, and the cars got sold. The last thing the manager and salesman will think about is calling a "potential" customer. A good sign too that those cars sold so fast. It isn't right, and if they were really on top of things they should have called, but, it is Saturday, a sale made is a priority, and that is what usually happens.

Some people ask the salesperson to send them a phone pic of the car in question. Those people are suspicious that the car never was there and there's a bait and switch involved. I don't know how some people got so suspicious of car dealers....

driver100

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

Funny thing. I was thinking about this today while I was out in the ATS. For some reason I got to thinking about the cars I've owned and which were ones that I would just go out to drive in. The only ones that qualified aside from the old '60s cars I've had were the MR2, the GTI, and the ATS. None of the luxo-boats. That told me something that for now, at age 60, is still true for me. I like sporty cars.

Or you are immature

Fly to Florida today. Might be off the air for awhile, depending on how quickly they get our cable and internet going. Florida is great, when you are away you put your internet, telephone, car insurance (except comprehensive), newspaper on vacation stop.

People say email or let us know you made it. I just tell them to watch CNN if they want to know.

P.S. Ab at 60 I liked sporty cars too, I had my 2008 328 Cabriolet. These days I prefer sporty too, but with some comfort. Things change....especially the body...........

driver100

stever said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

well, I have decided over that years that more often situations like this are just from dysfunction, not nefarious plans. Add being busy to somewhat disorganized, a few hands in the pot, and they end up with a customer there before realizing they don't have what you wanted to see when they thought they did (but probably did not check).

The salesguy, forgetting you were coming when he called you earlier, that is just odd.

heck, give them credit for actually following up with you. Most places never do call back once you leave.

Some good points stick. Salespeople sell cars if they can. Maybe both cars were in stock when the manager called, and the cars got sold. The last thing the manager and salesman will think about is calling a "potential" customer. A good sign too that those cars sold so fast. It isn't right, and if they were really on top of things they should have called, but, it is Saturday, a sale made is a priority, and that is what usually happens.

Some people ask the salesperson to send them a phone pic of the car in question. Those people are suspicious that the car never was there and there's a bait and switch involved. I don't know how some people got so suspicious of car dealers....

Speaking of which....when I bought the 2015 E400 I bought a service package for $1200. 3 year bumper to bumper and 3 services, oil changes etc. I used up 2 of those so I have asked the dealer for a rebate on the 3rd one, since it won't get used, but was paid for. My consultant said it was up to MB Canada since they sold me the package, and that does make sense. He has written and asked them for the rebate.

It will be interesting to see what they do. We also lost on the Audi A4 because it got traded after 2 years and it had a 3 year service contract. Maybe I should not be buying the service contract!

jpp75

graphicguy said:

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure".

She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived.

Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"!

So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it).

Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive.

He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove.

I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me.

"Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one.

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

Not at all, that's just bad business. I had a similar experience with a Lexus dealer a couple of years ago, they made such a big deal about me keeping my appointment but then I arrived and the person I was supposed to see was out sick, they didn't have the car I had inquired about, etc. I didn't stay long and never considered them again.

driver100

We showed up for an appointment with the Audi salesman. We showed up on time but he was out having a cigarette on the back lot. When he did come in he was joking with some buddy, started about 15 minutes late. We liked the salesman, other than that, we didn't buy the car but that attitude didn't help. In some cases the attitude could have been the difference between a sale and no sale.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

P

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

How about a Jaguar XE?

Nah, I don't feel like driving to Cincy only to find out they don't have it waxed and ready to go. :@

jmonroe

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

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jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

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jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

Time is running out? For what, buying a 2016 leftover? Or are you trying to tell us that you're getting old?

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

What cars fit on your full luxo list?

Well I ain't getting any younger but so far I have been pretty lucky with the aches and pains.

Just not sure I can work out a plan to change Mrs. j's mind in time. I doubt that I can give her the same ole stories that have worked in the past.

She has gotten pretty crafty herself lately. Even brought up the subject of dining room furniture again. I thought I killed that subject years ago. It seems any time I get close to talking about a new car she brings up the furniture thing. Maybe that is to get me off of my car buying game plan but I don't want to risk more talk any time soon.

jmonroe

Michaell

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

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jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

P

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

Time is running out? For what, buying a 2016 leftover? Or are you trying to tell us that you're getting old?

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

What cars fit on your full luxo list?

Well I ain't getting any younger but so far I have been pretty lucky with the aches and pains.

Just not sure I can work out a plan to change Mrs. j's mind in time. I doubt that I can give her the same ole stories that have worked in the past.

She has gotten pretty crafty herself lately. Even brought up the subject of dining room furniture again. I thought I killed that subject years ago. It seems any time I get close to talking about a new car she brings up the furniture thing. Maybe that is to get me off of my car buying game plan but I don't want to risk more talk any time soon.

jmonroe

So, how many new cars have you bought since this whole dining room furniture discussion started?

Don't you think, maybe, it's time to consider it?

graphicguy

jpp5862 said:

graphicguy said:

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure".

She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived.

Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"!

So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it).

Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive.

He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove.

I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me.

"Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one.

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

Not at all, that's just bad business. I had a similar experience with a Lexus dealer a couple of years ago, they made such a big deal about me keeping my appointment but then I arrived and the person I was supposed to see was out sick, they didn't have the car I had inquired about, etc. I didn't stay long and never considered them again.

Well....at the very least, I was a potentially serious customer, either now or later. Instead, they turned me away as no potential customer, at all!

BTW...there was a Tesla dealership on the same property, and a Land Rover dealership sharing the Jag showroom.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

Funny thing. I was thinking about this today while I was out in the ATS. For some reason I got to thinking about the cars I've owned and which were ones that I would just go out to drive in. The only ones that qualified aside from the old '60s cars I've had were the MR2, the GTI, and the ATS. None of the luxo-boats. That told me something that for now, at age 60, is still true for me. I like sporty cars.

Or you are immature

Fly to Florida today. Might be off the air for awhile, depending on how quickly they get our cable and internet going. Florida is great, when you are away you put your internet, telephone, car insurance (except comprehensive), newspaper on vacation stop.

People say email or let us know you made it. I just tell them to watch CNN if they want to know.

P.S. Ab at 60 I liked sporty cars too, I had my 2008 328 Cabriolet. These days I prefer sporty too, but with some comfort. Things change....especially the body...........

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

Funny thing. I was thinking about this today while I was out in the ATS. For some reason I got to thinking about the cars I've owned and which were ones that I would just go out to drive in. The only ones that qualified aside from the old '60s cars I've had were the MR2, the GTI, and the ATS. None of the luxo-boats. That told me something that for now, at age 60, is still true for me. I like sporty cars.

Or you are immature

Fly to Florida today. Might be off the air for awhile, depending on how quickly they get our cable and internet going. Florida is great, when you are away you put your internet, telephone, car insurance (except comprehensive), newspaper on vacation stop.

People say email or let us know you made it. I just tell them to watch CNN if they want to know.

P.S. Ab at 60 I liked sporty cars too, I had my 2008 328 Cabriolet. These days I prefer sporty too, but with some comfort. Things change....especially the body...........

Hey driver100, once you get settled take a cruise down to Ft. Myers and throw an offer at this:



http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/ctd/5837725234.html

I need it to completed my collection.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

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jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

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jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

Time is running out? For what, buying a 2016 leftover? Or are you trying to tell us that you're getting old?

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

What cars fit on your full luxo list?

Well I ain't getting any younger but so far I have been pretty lucky with the aches and pains.

Just not sure I can work out a plan to change Mrs. j's mind in time. I doubt that I can give her the same ole stories that have worked in the past.

She has gotten pretty crafty herself lately. Even brought up the subject of dining room furniture again. I thought I killed that subject years ago. It seems any time I get close to talking about a new car she brings up the furniture thing. Maybe that is to get me off of my car buying game plan but I don't want to risk more talk any time soon.

jmonroe

A quick trip to IKEA and she'll be happy. Then you can demand some quid pro quo.

driver100

Snake will give you a better deal on his!

That one looks too perfect....probably a flood car

oldfarmer50

I was just watching a show that involved a trip to the Mecam auction. Sounds like a business I would enjoy. 10% commission to buyer, 10% to seller if there's a reserve (5% if no reserve) $100 fee just to bid. Probably Yankee Stadium prices on food&drinks...

You could really clean up.

snakeweasel

jpp5862 said:

graphicguy said:

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure".

She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived.

Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"!

So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it).

Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive.

He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove.

I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me.

"Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one.

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

Not at all, that's just bad business. I had a similar experience with a Lexus dealer a couple of years ago, they made such a big deal about me keeping my appointment but then I arrived and the person I was supposed to see was out sick, they didn't have the car I had inquired about, etc. I didn't stay long and never considered them again.

Same thing happened to me at a Chevy dealer once, I was actually picking up my new car and had an appointment with the sales lady who mysteriously was in a meeting at the time (late afternoon/early evening when you had lots of shoppers) and I was pawned off to another sales person. When they handed me all the paperwork to sign all of a sudden everything changed. Basically the monthly payments went up a considerable amount. They told me the price payments they gave me was for a "Smart lease" not a purchase.

The thing is when I ran the numbers using a reasonable price of the car (which I thought we agreed on) and a reasonable trade in value for my car (again I thought we agreed on that) with a rate that I could get from my bank I had the figure I thought I was getting. The payments they gave me when I got there to pick up the car was full MSRP and practically nothing on my trade in.

I started to walk and they had a change of heart and worked it out to be just a little more than I thought I was going to get (within two or three dollars), I continued walking. I ended up going maybe five miles further and paid a little more (came out to be less than $5/month more) at a dealership that actually earned my trust.

They lost at least a dozen sales, if not more, over that that went to the other dealership.

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

jpp5862 said:

graphicguy said:

So, not that I was planning on buying a car today to begin with. But, got a call from the Jag dealer's manager while I was running errands this a.m.. She asked if I was interested in a more extended test drive of the XE-S. Didn't have much going on, so I said "sure".

She asked if 1:30 worked for me, and I agreed. This was about 10:00 a.m. Manager said she'd have a salesperson pull the car to the front and have it waiting on me when I arrived.

Sales person calls me at noon re-confirming my appointment. "Yep....I'll be there"!

So, I get to the dealership right on time (which I forgo to mention the other day, has a Tesla dealership right in front of it).

Sales Manager greets me when I walk in and brings over the sales person. He seemed like he didn't know I was coming, even after he confirmed my appointment. He said he'd have to go get the car from the back. So much for having it ready for a test drive.

He comes back about 15 minutes later to tell me that they had sold the Black XE, but they had a red one I could take for a test drive. I voiced my irritation stating "why didn't you call to tell me it was sold before I drove here?" He apologized and said they'd find another one if I liked the way the red one drove.

I agreed to drive the red one. 10 minutes go by. This time, the sales manager comes back and tells me they sold the red one, too. She tries to convince me the regular XE was the same car (no, it's not..different suspension). She said she'd track another black one down for me.

"Don't bother....you told me you'd have the test car ready. You're the sales manager. How did you not know these cars were sold." She really didn't have an answer and repeated she could do a dealer search for another one.

I told her not to bother and left.

Am I being too much of a johnson about this?

Not at all, that's just bad business. I had a similar experience with a Lexus dealer a couple of years ago, they made such a big deal about me keeping my appointment but then I arrived and the person I was supposed to see was out sick, they didn't have the car I had inquired about, etc. I didn't stay long and never considered them again.

Well....at the very least, I was a potentially serious customer, either now or later. Instead, they turned me away as no potential customer, at all!

BTW...there was a Tesla dealership on the same property, and a Land Rover dealership sharing the Jag showroom.

Speaking of Land Rover my wife saw a Range Rover in a parking lot and started talking about it and was very interested in getting one.

I pulled up information on the Range Rover and showed her the starting price, now she isn't interested.

Dodged a bullet there.

ab348

snakeweasel said:

Same thing happened to me at a Chevy dealer once, I was actually picking up my new car and had an appointment with the sales lady who mysteriously was in a meeting at the time (late afternoon/early evening when you had lots of shoppers) and I was pawned off to another sales person. When they handed me all the paperwork to sign all of a sudden everything changed. Basically the monthly payments went up a considerable amount. They told me the price payments they gave me was for a "Smart lease" not a purchase.

Almost the same thing with me back in 2011 when I went to pick up my new Regal Turbo. Went in to see the finance guy and everything was wrong and different. I was ready to walk and he was useless. It took hours to sort it all out. A real mess.

ab348

jmonroe said:

She has gotten pretty crafty herself lately. Even brought up the subject of dining room furniture again. I thought I killed that subject years ago. It seems any time I get close to talking about a new car she brings up the furniture thing. Maybe that is to get me off of my car buying game plan but I don't want to risk more talk any time soon.

jmonroe

Dining room furniture seems rather contentious but often for little reason. It can be expensive if you buy good stuff but unless you have a lot of dinner parties or big family gatherings it often goes unused. As my mom used to say, "It's too good to use", which I never understood. When you go to estate auctions you often see these pricey dining room sets go for pennies on the dollar. They just seem to be a waste to buy new.

stickguy

agreed. Especially if you are already retired, who wants to be buying expensive furniture? Heck I am a partially empty nester (youngest is a Junior in College), and want to get rid of furniture, not get more! And I would assume the JMs current set is good quality and perfectly fine anyway, so this is just change for the sake of something new.

Buying a DR set used is also a great idea. Wood, tend to get little use, depreciate like a rock, so perfect situation. We bought ours that way when we got our first house. A teak set, from Dane Decor. real wood, all fancy danish modern (or whatever they called it). Saw basically the same thing shortly after at the store, listed in the $8-9K range (and the owner indicated they paid about that for it a few years earlier). I think we paid about $1,200 for it, and I had to cart it home in my PU truck that I had at the time. It was close enough to new for us. A few small stains we cleaned on the chairs, an some minor scratches. 26 years later, we still have it.

This was a couple from a wealthy town that had a big colonial, who were downsizing after the kids left, and it wouldn't fit wherever they were going, so they sold it. Which is what I plan to do most likely when we move!

Mr_Shiftright

@jmonroe

" It seems any time I get close to talking about a new car she brings up the furniture thing. "

It's called "counter-punching".

jmonroe

Michaell said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

H

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

P

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

More like a battery operated toy that takes real car juice at times.

jmonroe

But doesn't only carry like 2 gallons of that dino juice?

I would rather get a plug in hybrid, sure there would be less range on electric only but a much better range once you start using whats in the gas tank.

If it was my wife's only car a PHEV would definitely be a better choice, However, since we live only 10 miles away from where she works and she has access to another car the i3 is a perfect fit.

Only you can tell if the car is a good fit and apparently it is. I am sort of looking at some of the plug in hybrids and with about 22 miles round trip commute most would cover that on electric only.

But alas I won't be in the market for several years.

If past battery technology is any indication of future advancements, you will get even more range in a few years.

Just hope they don't use the same lithium battery manufacture that Samsung used in their new Galaxies.

It will be a looong time before I'll be interested in a hybrid of any kind. Now that I am retired, I don't drive too much at all. The '15 Genny doesn't even have 7K miles on it yet.

Like I said before, Mrs. j didn't like the idea that I bought that car as my retirement present because my '09 Genny was damn near perfect, even though it had turned 72K miles on the way to the dealer in VA, and she really liked the burgundy color of the '09 vs. the "old man grey" (her words) of '15. I remember her saying something like, "I hope you like it because that is going to be your last car". Given the way I have miled up the '15, I'm beginning to think she is right.

jmonroe

Saw a recent model Genesis on the road the other day. Didn't look boxy like older models. Very nice actually. Tell your Mrs. That I approved and I'm sure she'll let you get another one.

Thanks for the pep talk but IF I were to get another car, since time is running out, I might just go full luxo that time.

jmonroe

Time is running out? For what, buying a 2016 leftover? Or are you trying to tell us that you're getting old?

I can understand your desire to buy a nice comfy car. The teenager in my brain keeps telling me to buy hot rods but the old man who lives in my back, hips and knees screams for comfort. That's why it's going to be tough to get rid of that old Lincoln.

What cars fit on your full luxo list?

Well I ain't getting any younger but so far I have been pretty lucky with the aches and pains.

Just not sure I can work out a plan to change Mrs. j's mind in time. I doubt that I can give her the same ole stories that have worked in the past.

She has gotten pretty crafty herself lately. Even brought up the subject of dining room furniture again. I thought I killed that subject years ago. It seems any time I get close to talking about a new car she brings up the furniture thing. Maybe that is to get me off of my car buying game plan but I don't want to risk more talk any time soon.

jmonroe

So, how many new cars have you bought since this whole dining room furniture discussion started?

Don't you think, maybe, it's time to consider it?

2 but one was hers (the '12 Subie Legacy) so I guess that doesn't count. She knows I don't by too often (usually keep them for about 5 or 6 years) but just the mere mention of a car sets her off. Even when we have gotten mailers from the Subie dealers both around here and the one in Ohio where we bought it telling us how valuable the Subie is worth in trade, she is not the least bit interested. She would be content to keep the Subie forever.

As long as her car starts and doesn't give her trouble that is all she wants from a car. I'm thinking about how to give her car some quirks but I'm not sure what to do without her catching on. If that happened I'd be doing this keyboard with one hand.

jmonroe

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright said:

@jmonroe

" It seems any time I get close to talking about a new car she brings up the furniture thing. "

It's called "counter-punching".

I know that but that ain't fighting fair.

In the ring I accept that but not when it comes to my car buying

jmonroe