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jmonroe

henryn said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.

I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

A few years back, when I owned a diesel Ford truck, I used to hang out in a forum with other owners. One of the other participants was an EE, and he conclusively proved the oil pressure gauge was in effect an idiot light. There were only two possible readings: either zero or 5/8 scale. That was it, period, there was no way to get the needle to represent anything except zero or 5/8 scale.

Which made me think false advertising, claiming to include an oil pressure gauge which was in effect an idiot light.

And I will add this: kudos to Volkswagen for the gas gauge in this Passat. It is the most precise, most accurate gas gauge I have ever seen in my more than 5 decades of driving.

Well, that guy never saw the oil pressure gauge on my '95 Bonneville. When the car was started when it was cold, the oil pressure was less than after the engine warmed up. Exactly what you would expect. The pointer slowly moved up scale. It didn't take but a minute or 2 at the most for the reading to reach its normal position, pretty much as shown in the pic that I linked.

Now, how valuable that info was could only be answered by the OCD types. It was only moderately interesting to me but I did look at the gauge at start up and after the engine was fully warmed up as indicated by the temp gauge. It almost never changed from the conditions I just mentioned and when it did it was only a pointers width different as best as I could tell without squinting so hard my eyes would hurt.

What your guru said may be true for cars today but not for my '95 Bonneville.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

fintail said:

That's kind of a cheap shot, I think we really should be making fun of the soulless doddering cradle-to-grave exec (in level 32 of 38 levels of management) who greenlighted these ads, and doesn't seem to realize they are widely mocked (look for them on youtube, the comments can be amusing) and only harming company image. I hope the people in those spots received free cars for not being actors. We can continue to make fun of the bearded hipster doofus though, that demographic is a plague where I live.

The "party in the back" one is really perplexing. A Cruze is a sensible family car, not a 79 El Camino.

Real people? Not! Actors.

Hey we are talking about it and the Cruze, there is a saying that there is no bad publicity. It's getting the name out and people are talking about it, that's the purpose of commercials.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

No injuries makes it easier, too.

Everyone should have a dashcam. You could be famous!

PF_Flyer said:

Lucky me. I get to use collision insurance on the wife's Versa Note

You don't even have to get a dash cam, you can get a dash cam app for your smart phone. Some will even record speed and direction using the GPS.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

PF_Flyer said:

Lucky me. I get to use collision insurance on the wife's Versa Note this time. She was at a red light, started up on green.(red arrow) The road coming from the right has a right turn lane (dotted arrow) The driver "didn't see" my wife's car and didn't obey the yield sign. Hit the Note in the right front wheel and bent up suspension parts and the wheel. Front clip has some tire marks on it but seems firmly attached. Wheel well liner is broken. Right side wheel base is about 3/8" shorter than the left side so something is bent. Maybe lower control arm, or knuckle or strut, or some combo. Merry Christmas

Sorry to hear that. At least there's no question of fault. Excellent diagram, sometimes it's hard to visualize these things. Are you some sort of engineer?

Some kid in a pick up and plow rear ended one of our buses on campus this morning. Full load of kids on the bus. The plow mounts busted out the rear door glass.

When the police arrived the kid tried to claim that the automatic transmission bus stopped on a level road had rolled back into him. Didn't work, two tickets.

I had that happen to me once, I came to a stop behind some lady and all of a sudden I noticed that I am getting closer to her car. OK I thought I always let up on the brake just before I come to a complete stop to make the stop smoother maybe I let off a little to much so I apply more pressure on the brake. Nope didn't work I was still getting closer so I apply more pressure until I am practically standing on the brake peddle and I am still closing in on her.

Then I realize I am not moving, she is. She had taken her car out of drive into neutral, not park neutral, and took her foot off the brake to retrieve something from her back seat and rolled backwards right into me.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Thanks for digging up and posting the Cruze ad AB.....I think.

I really liked the house.......that I would buy.

The car looks OK but I don't think it would be a chick magnet like that for me.

Did you notice that the house appears to have been dropped into the middle of some pasture or wetlands with absolutely nothing else done around it? That seems very odd. You do not see that in the ad that airs on TV.

I actually really like the Cruze hatch but that ad... oy vey.

Not only does it appear that it was dropped in the middle of a pasture but did you notice the Cruze shaped hole in one of the walls?

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.

I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

Since you have a Mustang and owners usually buy them for at least some performance expectations, the only thing I can think of as to why manifold temp is shown is because manifold temp affects fuel burn and actual horsepower.

I told this story before:

When I got my '09 Genny it was purchased in April of '09. The manual said I could use regular or premium fuel. The only difference was 8 HP. I played the game and must have alternated about a dozen times between the two types of gas. As I expected, I could not tell any difference. I was working at the time and I drove the PA Turnpike. When I came off the ramp to get into traffic, I hit the accelerator and was used to how the car performed, which was pretty damn good. Fast forward to the first cold morning in November, when I hit the accelerator. This time the car really jumped. Why? Because cold air inlet temp trumps a measly few HP gained by using premium gas.

Prove it to yourself. Test your Stang and if you can't tell a difference on cold mornings or at other times, now that it is cold where you live, compared to warm weather conditions, go back to your dealer and get your money back.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

If you love gauges:

Use this for when your kids start driving;

snakeweasel

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.

I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

Since you have a Mustang and owners usually buy them for at least some performance expectations, the only thing I can think of as to why manifold temp is shown is because manifold temp affects fuel burn and actual horsepower.

I told this story before:

When I got my '09 Genny it was purchased in April of '09. The manual said I could use regular or premium fuel. The only difference was 8 HP. I played the game and must have alternated about a dozen times between the two types of gas. As I expected, I could not tell any difference. I was working at the time and I drove the PA Turnpike. When I came off the ramp to get into traffic, I hit the accelerator and was used to how the car performed, which was pretty damn good. Fast forward to the first cold morning in November, when I hit the accelerator. This time the car really jumped. Why? Because cold air inlet temp trumps a measly few HP gained by using premium gas.

Prove it to yourself. Test your Stang and if you can't tell a difference on cold mornings or at other times, now that it is cold where you live, compared to warm weather conditions, go back to your dealer and get your money back.

jmonroe

All cars will perform better acceleration wise in cold weather. Just like anything else air condenses as it gets colder. As air condenses there is more oxygen per volume which means more oxygen is being feed into the engine even though the volume of the air is constant. This gives better combustion and more power.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

Also the S7 comes with free virtual reality goggles so I'll see how those work however they need to be shipped to me before I try them .

You'll have to give us an update on how those work and what they do once they arrive. I'm seeing a lot of TV ads right now showing people using them - they're hyping them big as a Christmas gift item - but they don't give you any idea what they are seeing/doing with them. They look pretty ridiculous. All I can imagine is them becoming another thing that distracts people walking down the street or, god forbid, driving.

Well they arrived the other day and I have played around with them a little. First some issues with it. I have to take the phone out of the case I have it in to use it (minor issue), It uses battery power a little faster and it does seem to get hotter when I use it. Not much of an issue as I don't see me using it for long periods of time and the heat issue could be that I am comparing the feel without the case vs with the case. The resolution isn't real sharp, now don't get me wrong it is pretty good resolution but not really sharp. I guess it is because you are looking at your screen from an inch or two away and the picture is only half of your phone screen (it is in stereo view so there is an image for each eye to give the 3D effect).

It is easy and comfortable to wear, doesn't seem to weigh to much. Showing what you see with the goggles on a 2D TV will not give it any justice, even the menus when you first start up are 3D. When you are in the menu screen it's like being in a large room with the choices floating in front of you. There is a small dot in the center of your field of view and as you look around you can place that dot on your choice. On the side of the goggles there is a small touch pad that allows you to swipe up, down, back and forth as well as tap to select a menu choice. It also has a back and home button and a volume control, it's actually easy to work with.

There is a lot of content some free some with a cost of anywhere from 99 cents to $7 or $8. Free stuff include photos and videos as well as a few other things I will need to discover. The photos are 360 degrees which means that you can turn your head and look all over the place, up, down side to side even turn all the way around. They have thousand of pictures, seemingly endless of places all over the world. And it is 3D and it is almost like you are there.

I did some videos also, a roller coaster, a weather balloon trip up to 95,000 feet, sky dived, a tour of Paris, a tour of Chicago, inside the International Space Station, and a very well done animated space scene (that was really awesome). The one from the ISS was narrated by a cosmonaut as he move the camera around to an observation port to look down at Earth, that one gave me the greatest feeling of movement.

There is one slight issue and that is that these photos and videos are taken with cameras that have multiple lenses which can give some interesting side effects when the sync up the images. The one with the weather balloon the narrator explained that the camera hanging from the weather balloon kept spinning so they had to stabilize the image which made it rather fuzzy. The tour of Paris there was on part where a guy was walking past you (and I was almost completely turned around in order to see this happen) there was a point where he must of passed from one cameras view to another and for a split second you saw his disembodied head a few feet from his decapitated body before the images synced up again.

There is a Netflix app for it where it has you sitting on a couch with a coffee table in front of you and a very large TV screen in front of that. The room is very nice as like anything else you can look around the room and when you play a movie or show the room darkens so you can watch the show. It is so real that one time while watching a short show I tried to put my feet up on that coffee table.

This came with a package of games to play but I haven't played anything yet. Maybe I'll do that later. So far I like it and it is pretty great but not sure how much use it will get, maybe an hour give or take every few days.

To get back on topic there is a race car video that I might check out.

henryn

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.

I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

Since you have a Mustang and owners usually buy them for at least some performance expectations, the only thing I can think of as to why manifold temp is shown is because manifold temp affects fuel burn and actual horsepower.

I told this story before:

When I got my '09 Genny it was purchased in April of '09. The manual said I could use regular or premium fuel. The only difference was 8 HP. I played the game and must have alternated about a dozen times between the two types of gas. As I expected, I could not tell any difference. I was working at the time and I drove the PA Turnpike. When I came off the ramp to get into traffic, I hit the accelerator and was used to how the car performed, which was pretty damn good. Fast forward to the first cold morning in November, when I hit the accelerator. This time the car really jumped. Why? Because cold air inlet temp trumps a measly few HP gained by using premium gas.

Prove it to yourself. Test your Stang and if you can't tell a difference on cold mornings or at other times, now that it is cold where you live, compared to warm weather conditions, go back to your dealer and get your money back.

jmonroe

All cars will perform better acceleration wise in cold weather. Just like anything else air condenses as it gets colder. As air condenses there is more oxygen per volume which means more oxygen is being feed into the engine even though the volume of the air is constant. This gives better combustion and more power.

Many years back, when I drove some very fast cars (fast in a straight line), mostly small block Mopars with a couple of big blocks thrown in, I definitely noticed the difference after or during a thunderstorm. When the temperature dropped, and the air became moisture saturated, the horsepower took a very big jump. They used to sell water (or water vapor) injection systems that were aimed at mimicking that very thing, but I never bought one so I don't know if they actually did any good.

Mr_Shiftright

The Mercedes dash display is very logical except for the speedometer. While your oil pressure goes "up" or "down", as does your temperature, it seems more logical to me that charging rate be horizontal, as your rate goes - or +, as should the speedometer, which should look more like a road than a missile's flight path. A speedometer shouldn't read like a rate of climb gauge IMO.

Really, you shouldn't have to "read" gauges very much at all. You should be able to glance at them and know what's going on intuitively.

houdini1

I learned that cool/cold weather engine improvement feature at a very young age at my favorite go-kart track.

Mr_Shiftright

Water injection can benefit a turbo or supercharged engine but unless you are operating under extreme conditions, it's pretty much worthless for a normally aspirated engine doing normal duty.

jipster

robr2 said:

Tap Tap - Is thing on? Been gone awhile. What's up??

Just out of curiosity,where did you go and why did you come back? 
Us hit and run posters(me,you,isellhyundais,snakie...madmanmoo) need to stick together. :-)

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright said:

Water injection can benefit a turbo or supercharged engine but unless you are operating under extreme conditions, it's pretty much worthless for a normally aspirated engine doing normal duty.

When I was in the Navy in addition to the turbo prop C-130's that took JP5 fuel we had regular prop engines on most of our planes that took regular gas. I say regular gas but the gas was not really regular gas, as we know it. The trucks were marked on both sides with LARGE numbers that said 115/145. This was the octane rating of the gas. I seem to remember the engines were Pratt and Whitney or Rolls Royce 2850 RPM supercharged engines. To get more horsepower when needed, especially during takeoff, a selector switch could be thrown to inject an alcohol solution from the ADI (alcohol dilution injection) tanks into the engines gas intake ports.

I remember smelling this ADI stuff a few times and it did have an alcohol smell to it. The guys on the line that filled the tanks with gas, oil, and ADI fluid would in fact smell the ADI potion then use a litmus strip to check that it was the correct concentration before filling the ADI tank. They would put a small amount of gas into a glass bottle to verify that the color was a slight purple before filling the tanks. I don't remember how they checked the oil but they did check it.

We were cautioned not to take gas from the planes and use it for our cars. If you were caught doing this you would receive some SEVERE discipline and we were also told (as if that wasn't enough), that due to the high octane rating of the gas it would destroy a car's engine.

There are always some that do it anyway. When they were caught they were sent to Captains Mast where they were, broken in rank, had many privileges removed, restricted to the base and served extra duty for a prescribed length of time which varied depending on how the Captain felt that day AND they had destroyed car engines.

The Navy doesn't lie to the troops.

jmonroe

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

Also the S7 comes with free virtual reality goggles so I'll see how those work however they need to be shipped to me before I try them .

You'll have to give us an update on how those work and what they do once they arrive. I'm seeing a lot of TV ads right now showing people using them - they're hyping them big as a Christmas gift item - but they don't give you any idea what they are seeing/doing with them. They look pretty ridiculous. All I can imagine is them becoming another thing that distracts people walking down the street or, god forbid, driving.

Well they arrived the other day and I have played around with them a little. First some issues with it. I have to take the phone out of the case I have it in to use it (minor issue), It uses battery power a little faster and it does seem to get hotter when I use it. Not much of an issue as I don't see me using it for long periods of time and the heat issue could be that I am comparing the feel without the case vs with the case. The resolution isn't real sharp, now don't get me wrong it is pretty good resolution but not really sharp. I guess it is because you are looking at your screen from an inch or two away and the picture is only half of your phone screen (it is in stereo view so there is an image for each eye to give the 3D effect).

It is easy and comfortable to wear, doesn't seem to weigh to much. Showing what you see with the goggles on a 2D TV will not give it any justice, even the menus when you first start up are 3D. When you are in the menu screen it's like being in a large room with the choices floating in front of you. There is a small dot in the center of your field of view and as you look around you can place that dot on your choice. On the side of the goggles there is a small touch pad that allows you to swipe up, down, back and forth as well as tap to select a menu choice. It also has a back and home button and a volume control, it's actually easy to work with.

There is a lot of content some free some with a cost of anywhere from 99 cents to $7 or $8. Free stuff include photos and videos as well as a few other things I will need to discover. The photos are 360 degrees which means that you can turn your head and look all over the place, up, down side to side even turn all the way around. They have thousand of pictures, seemingly endless of places all over the world. And it is 3D and it is almost like you are there.

I did some videos also, a roller coaster, a weather balloon trip up to 95,000 feet, sky dived, a tour of Paris, a tour of Chicago, inside the International Space Station, and a very well done animated space scene (that was really awesome). The one from the ISS was narrated by a cosmonaut as he move the camera around to an observation port to look down at Earth, that one gave me the greatest feeling of movement.

There is one slight issue and that is that these photos and videos are taken with cameras that have multiple lenses which can give some interesting side effects when the sync up the images. The one with the weather balloon the narrator explained that the camera hanging from the weather balloon kept spinning so they had to stabilize the image which made it rather fuzzy. The tour of Paris there was on part where a guy was walking past you (and I was almost completely turned around in order to see this happen) there was a point where he must of passed from one cameras view to another and for a split second you saw his disembodied head a few feet from his decapitated body before the images synced up again.

There is a Netflix app for it where it has you sitting on a couch with a coffee table in front of you and a very large TV screen in front of that. The room is very nice as like anything else you can look around the room and when you play a movie or show the room darkens so you can watch the show. It is so real that one time while watching a short show I tried to put my feet up on that coffee table.

This came with a package of games to play but I haven't played anything yet. Maybe I'll do that later. So far I like it and it is pretty great but not sure how much use it will get, maybe an hour give or take every few days.

To get back on topic there is a race car video that I might check out.

Thanks for the explanation.

If I had to guess, I would have said pretty much what you described. I think you said it was thrown in free-of-charge due to your new phone purchase and new phone plan. That makes it all the better. Not that I plan to buy one but do you know what the non-package price is?

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

oldfarmer50

jmonroe...
Baby's in bed for the winter and if you think I'm taking it out in the salt to prove a point you don't understand OCD.

Besides in this area we are into "winter blend" gas mix. Don't know exactly what's in it but it drops the Lincoln gas mileage by 2 mpg.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

I'll take my chances.

On Thanksgiving day not too far from where I live, a guy driving a car was hit while being chased by police. The car slammed into his car and wiped out a young family. 3 people died including a 2 year old girl. I have no idea why police feel they have to chase a car at high speeds in traffic. From what I have read about this tragedy, I blame the police. There is no need to do this high speed Broderick Crawford chasing. The chase went through a couple of districts and one police force stopped the chase because of the speed involved but the adjoining district cop kept up with his joy ride.

Police do have radios, so why all of this high speed chasing.

jmonroe

suydam

In our town a year or so ago the police were chasing a man who had murdered his mother and 2 other people. They stopped the chase when they thought it was too dangerous and were heavily criticized for it. It took another week or so to catch the guy and everyone was terrified. So the police have a hard time either way.

jmonroe

suydam said:

In our town a year or so ago the police were chasing a man who had murdered his mother and 2 other people. They stopped the chase when they thought it was too dangerous and were heavily criticized for it. It took another week or so to catch the guy and everyone was terrified. So the police have a hard time either way.

I understand that police can be faulted either way but they are supposed to be professionals and should know when and when not to chase.

On TV after this tragedy on Thanksgiving day, a couple police departments said they only chase when a death type of felony is committed. IIRC, the chase that I described was because the guy had an outstanding warrant for theft and maybe drugs. It was definitely not a murder suspect.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

Also the S7 comes with free virtual reality goggles so I'll see how those work however they need to be shipped to me before I try them .

You'll have to give us an update on how those work and what they do once they arrive. I'm seeing a lot of TV ads right now showing people using them - they're hyping them big as a Christmas gift item - but they don't give you any idea what they are seeing/doing with them. They look pretty ridiculous. All I can imagine is them becoming another thing that distracts people walking down the street or, god forbid, driving.

Well they arrived the other day and I have played around with them a little. First some issues with it. I have to take the phone out of the case I have it in to use it (minor issue), It uses battery power a little faster and it does seem to get hotter when I use it. Not much of an issue as I don't see me using it for long periods of time and the heat issue could be that I am comparing the feel without the case vs with the case. The resolution isn't real sharp, now don't get me wrong it is pretty good resolution but not really sharp. I guess it is because you are looking at your screen from an inch or two away and the picture is only half of your phone screen (it is in stereo view so there is an image for each eye to give the 3D effect).

It is easy and comfortable to wear, doesn't seem to weigh to much. Showing what you see with the goggles on a 2D TV will not give it any justice, even the menus when you first start up are 3D. When you are in the menu screen it's like being in a large room with the choices floating in front of you. There is a small dot in the center of your field of view and as you look around you can place that dot on your choice. On the side of the goggles there is a small touch pad that allows you to swipe up, down, back and forth as well as tap to select a menu choice. It also has a back and home button and a volume control, it's actually easy to work with.

There is a lot of content some free some with a cost of anywhere from 99 cents to $7 or $8. Free stuff include photos and videos as well as a few other things I will need to discover. The photos are 360 degrees which means that you can turn your head and look all over the place, up, down side to side even turn all the way around. They have thousand of pictures, seemingly endless of places all over the world. And it is 3D and it is almost like you are there.

I did some videos also, a roller coaster, a weather balloon trip up to 95,000 feet, sky dived, a tour of Paris, a tour of Chicago, inside the International Space Station, and a very well done animated space scene (that was really awesome). The one from the ISS was narrated by a cosmonaut as he move the camera around to an observation port to look down at Earth, that one gave me the greatest feeling of movement.

There is one slight issue and that is that these photos and videos are taken with cameras that have multiple lenses which can give some interesting side effects when the sync up the images. The one with the weather balloon the narrator explained that the camera hanging from the weather balloon kept spinning so they had to stabilize the image which made it rather fuzzy. The tour of Paris there was on part where a guy was walking past you (and I was almost completely turned around in order to see this happen) there was a point where he must of passed from one cameras view to another and for a split second you saw his disembodied head a few feet from his decapitated body before the images synced up again.

There is a Netflix app for it where it has you sitting on a couch with a coffee table in front of you and a very large TV screen in front of that. The room is very nice as like anything else you can look around the room and when you play a movie or show the room darkens so you can watch the show. It is so real that one time while watching a short show I tried to put my feet up on that coffee table.

This came with a package of games to play but I haven't played anything yet. Maybe I'll do that later. So far I like it and it is pretty great but not sure how much use it will get, maybe an hour give or take every few days.

To get back on topic there is a race car video that I might check out.

Thanks for the explanation.

If I had to guess, I would have said pretty much what you described. I think you said it was thrown in free-of-charge due to your new phone purchase and new phone plan. That makes it all the better. Not that I plan to buy one but do you know what the non-package price is?

jmonroe

Yes it was a freebee with the new phone purchase, I think they retail for $99.00. Not sure if I would get one for $99.00 but it's a nice little toy for $0.00.

snakeweasel

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

I'll take my chances.

On Thanksgiving day not too far from where I live, a guy driving a car was hit while being chased by police. The car slammed into his car and wiped out a young family. 3 people died including a 2 year old girl. I have no idea why police feel they have to chase a car at high speeds in traffic. From what I have read about this tragedy, I blame the police. There is no need to do this high speed Broderick Crawford chasing. The chase went through a couple of districts and one police force stopped the chase because of the speed involved but the adjoining district cop kept up with his joy ride.

Police do have radios, so why all of this high speed chasing.

jmonroe

Back in the 50's my dad had a friend on the Chicago Police Department he was assigned to traffic control, parking and speeding tickets. He was given a motor-trike to do his patrols but for safety reasons it had a governor that restricted its top speed to 35 MPH. He gave out plenty of parking tickets but no speeding tickets. They kept asking him why but wouldn't accept the explanation that every speeder could out run his trike.

Point is if you know that the cops won't chase you everyone would run to get away from a ticket.

fintail

Yep and a good app will probably be no more than a few bucks.

However, if you want something to be on when the car is parked etc, best to get a hard-wired discreet cam. I have one at front and back, always on, very hard to spot. Fun to play with and peace of mind.

snakeweasel said:

You don't even have to get a dash cam, you can get a dash cam app for your smart phone. Some will even record speed and direction using the GPS.

fintail

If the amount of money and energy devoted to non-violent soft drug offenses was diverted virtually anywhere else, the results would be astounding. Sadly, it's an ego thing, not a logic thing. When it's really hard to get fired or face punishment, the idea of professionalism goes out the door. And the bad 5% spoil it for everyone.

jmonroe said:

I understand that police can be faulted either way but they are supposed to be professionals and should know when and when not to chase.

On TV after this tragedy on Thanksgiving day, a couple police departments said they only chase when a death type of felony is committed. IIRC, the chase that I described was because the guy had an outstanding warrant for theft and maybe drugs. It was definitely not a murder suspect.

jmonroe

qbrozen

Only took 14 months of living here and I finally have my gas heater and 220v compressor hooked up in the garage. Winter projects, here I come.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

Good questions...I just report the device though.....I don't guaranty it is going to work as intended/ :@

driver100

jmonroe said:

suydam said:

In our town a year or so ago the police were chasing a man who had murdered his mother and 2 other people. They stopped the chase when they thought it was too dangerous and were heavily criticized for it. It took another week or so to catch the guy and everyone was terrified. So the police have a hard time either way.

I understand that police can be faulted either way but they are supposed to be professionals and should know when and when not to chase.

On TV after this tragedy on Thanksgiving day, a couple police departments said they only chase when a death type of felony is committed. IIRC, the chase that I described was because the guy had an outstanding warrant for theft and maybe drugs. It was definitely not a murder suspect.

jmonroe

Down the street from us an undercover cop was buying 2 ounces of heroine from a drug dealer at 5 PM at a Wendy's. The bad guys pulled a gun, other cops were listening on a hidden microphone...they came racing in with a big SUV. 40 gun shots were fired...the bad guys were hit and arrested...no cops or bystanders were hit.

The cops say the dealers want to meet in a busy public place so they had to meet at a busy location. Business owners say was it that important endangering the lives of children and bystanders that you had to catch a drug dealer? I agree with the second group.

robr2

I took a long break as work was getting very busy. Lots of travel, new product lines, etc. December is dead in my business so thought I'd look in.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

I'll take my chances.

On Thanksgiving day not too far from where I live, a guy driving a car was hit while being chased by police. The car slammed into his car and wiped out a young family. 3 people died including a 2 year old girl. I have no idea why police feel they have to chase a car at high speeds in traffic. From what I have read about this tragedy, I blame the police. There is no need to do this high speed Broderick Crawford chasing. The chase went through a couple of districts and one police force stopped the chase because of the speed involved but the adjoining district cop kept up with his joy ride.

Police do have radios, so why all of this high speed chasing.

jmonroe

It's tough to predict the future.

Our local PC capital city has a policy of ending persuits if speeds get too high or traffic is too dense.

A few years ago some yahoo was driving like a maniac at high speed through the city so the police called off the chase. Unfortunately the yahoo didn't slow down and miles away t-boned a woman and killed her. No one was chasing him at the time. In fact no police were anywhere in sight.

So how do you make that decision? Maybe if they had caught up to him they could have save a life.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

Good questions...I just report the device though.....I don't guaranty it is going to work as intended/ :@

We should hire our selfs out as negative Nellies for all new products. Tell them all the possible pitfalls of every invention.

I can't tell you the amount of imaginary head money you've saved me pointing out defects in the fantasy cars I post here.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

I'll take my chances.

On Thanksgiving day not too far from where I live, a guy driving a car was hit while being chased by police. The car slammed into his car and wiped out a young family. 3 people died including a 2 year old girl. I have no idea why police feel they have to chase a car at high speeds in traffic. From what I have read about this tragedy, I blame the police. There is no need to do this high speed Broderick Crawford chasing. The chase went through a couple of districts and one police force stopped the chase because of the speed involved but the adjoining district cop kept up with his joy ride.

Police do have radios, so why all of this high speed chasing.

jmonroe

It's tough to predict the future.

Our local PC capital city has a policy of ending persuits if speeds get too high or traffic is too dense.

A few years ago some yahoo was driving like a maniac at high speed through the city so the police called off the chase. Unfortunately the yahoo didn't slow down and miles away t-boned a woman and killed her. No one was chasing him at the time. In fact no police were anywhere in sight.

So how do you make that decision? Maybe if they had caught up to him they could have save a life.

I agree that it is a tough call but at least when the guys we pay to "protect and serve" don't continue the chase we won't be run over by them or a car they are still chasing.

jmonroe

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

That's a bit TOO simple, thanks.
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4
I like analog gauges so that I can see things "as they progress".

My Mini heat gauge, for instance, drives me nuts. It doesn't actually go from "cold to hot". It goes from cold to "normal" and then, if you were to overheat, it just slams right to hot. It's not graduated. It's no better than a light, really.

I don't like digital gauges for anything, ever (in a car I mean).

Of course, a digital representation of an analog gauge might be ok.

I'm with you. I like the analog gauges with a pointer.

My '09 Genny had the pointer for both the temp and gas gauges. My '15 Genny has bars that come on as the temp goes up and as the gas goes down the bars go off. It would be nice if Hyundai could figure out if they want their bar gauge's lights to come on go off. I'm hoping they figure it out someday. Maybe they need some help with that from the Germans.

FWIW, Mrs. j's '12 Legacy has a blue light that comes on when it is cold and goes out pretty quickly, no more that 2 blocks if driving. I'm guessing that it has an idiot red light that comes on when it gets hot. That's never happened so I don't know how many blocks you have to drive it before that light goes off.

jmonroe

Some gauges are goofy. On the Mustang the temp. gauge has a needle but just goes from cold to hot without telling the actual temp. I also have a gauge function that tells me things like intake manifold temp. in actual degrees. Why would they think it important to know manifold temp. more accurately than engine temp.?

What do you do about a hot manifold temperature? I don't think I have seen one of those gauges. How does it get overheated? During a fast getaway?

Speaking of which...new Grappler Device to cath getaway cars (40 seconds)
https://youtu.be/Kd4r35ghnO4

What if the perp slams on his brakes as you ride on his bumper. Buster radiator would end your chase. Also what if he swerves as you're doing your snare?

Good questions...I just report the device though.....I don't guaranty it is going to work as intended/ :@

We should hire our selfs out as negative Nellies for all new products. Tell them all the possible pitfalls of every invention.

I can't tell you the amount of imaginary head money you've saved me pointing out defects in the fantasy cars I post here.

Only one problem. Whenever someone comes up with an idea there are 1000's of doubting Thomas's who will say the idea will never work. If we believed the doubters we wouldn't have cars, electricity, photo copiers, computers, cameras, or anything....for every person who comes up with an idea, there are 1000s who will say it isn't going to work.

I don't think your business idea will work...so maybe it will

ab348

driver100 said:

Down the street from us an undercover cop was buying 2 ounces of heroine from a drug dealer at 5 PM at a Wendy's. The bad guys pulled a gun, other cops were listening on a hidden microphone...they came racing in with a big SUV. 40 gun shots were fired...the bad guys were hit and arrested...no cops or bystanders were hit.

The cops say the dealers want to meet in a busy public place so they had to meet at a busy location. Business owners say was it that important endangering the lives of children and bystanders that you had to catch a drug dealer? I agree with the second group.

Sounds like a no-win situation. Drugs, soft or otherwise, and their dealing really impact the quality of life in a community. Dealers like to act like gangsters and shoot things up. That's part of the reason they are illegal, so if the cops are to enforce the law, they need to do what they need to do and you have to trust they will do their best not to put people at risk. I suppose the alternative is for them to walk away and ignore them like they did with weed by and large, and we see where that has gotten us. I don't want dealers doing business in front of my house.

fintail

I live in a place where weed is legal. Things haven't fallen apart. Much less money being flushed away on enforcement of laws that were in essence bought and paid for (the pot lobby pales in comparison to that of perfectly legal and infinitely more destructive cigs and booze), and the police can use their time for more constructive things (which apparently doesn't include pedestrian safety and distracted driving enforcement). So much of this enforcement looks like a make-work project for the generously pensioned class, IMNSHO.

ab348 said:

Sounds like a no-win situation. Drugs, soft or otherwise, and their dealing really impact the quality of life in a community. Dealers like to act like gangsters and shoot things up. That's part of the reason they are illegal, so if the cops are to enforce the law, they need to do what they need to do and you have to trust they will do their best not to put people at risk. I suppose the alternative is for them to walk away and ignore them like they did with weed by and large, and we see where that has gotten us. I don't want dealers doing business in front of my house.

fintail

Not to mention in the "what if" game is to be played one can say that maybe someone could have been hit and killed on the way to catch up to the perp. Of course, it is about protecting and serving the state, not the citizenry. Not that the police don't bravely and selflessly protect people constantly, but I don't think the slogan means people.

I wonder what the settlement is to those hit in pursuits, as we all know who pays for it (local departments issue millions in settlements for various deeds every year, year in, year out).

jmonroe said:

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I agree that it is a tough call but at least when the guys we pay to "protect and serve" don't continue the chase we won't be run over by them or a car they are still chasing.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

@fintail - cigarettes, booze, and prescription pharmaceuticals (talk about a strong lobby). Chris Rock once said "the government doesn't want you to use YOUR drugs. They want you to use THEIR drugs."

ab348

fintail said:

I live in a place where weed is legal. Things haven't fallen apart. Much less money being flushed away on enforcement of laws that were in essence bought and paid for (the pot lobby pales in comparison to that of perfectly legal and infinitely more destructive cigs and booze), and the police can use their time for more constructive things (which apparently doesn't include pedestrian safety and distracted driving enforcement). So much of this enforcement looks like a make-work project for the generously pensioned class, IMNSHO.

The tobacco lobby is now so powerful that their product has been essentially outlawed for public use in all of N.A. as well as having pretty much anyone who still uses it made out as a pariah. Meanwhile weed users have massive parties in public parks and nobody bats an eye, kids think it cures cancer and is like a health food, and the product has been made legal thanks to a massive lobbying effort that nobody really seems to know much about in terms of where the money comes from. I find it hard to reconcile how smoking one of the things is considered pretty much like the worst thing anyone could do while smoking the other is considered good. Hypocrisy much?

fintail

That's what it comes down to. In an oligocracy (Canada and Europe are the same), follow the money. And I am saying this as someone who drinks only socially, and has never had an urge to smoke a cig or a joint, never have and never will. However, I still don't trust the enforcement sectors to make decisions for my own good.

nyccarguy said:

@fintail - cigarettes, booze, and prescription pharmaceuticals (talk about a strong lobby). Chris Rock once said "the government doesn't want you to use YOUR drugs. They want you to use THEIR drugs."

robr2

Quick Update:

I put 22K miles on the Passat in a year travelling for work.
One broken windshield.
Getting over 31 mpg with it.
If I could travel without so many samples and literature in the trunk, I might get even better fuel economy.
It's really comfortable and eats up miles.
I miss having a wagon - sometimes I wish I had bought a small crossover.

driver100

robr2 said:

Quick Update:

I put 22K miles on the Passat in a year travelling for work.
One broken windshield.
Getting over 31 mpg with it.
If I could travel without so many samples and literature in the trunk, I might get even better fuel economy.
It's really comfortable and eats up miles.
I miss having a wagon - sometimes I wish I had bought a small crossover.

I forget what year your Passat is Rob.
Ours was a 2013 with 6800 miles on it.
Good car in the city, great features, but I found it lacked power and wasn't great on the highway at 80 mph.
traded it for a 2014 Mercedes C250, what a difference. Almost drives itself, I just guide it. 80 mph with one hand on the wheel, I don't hang on for dear life. If a big truck is on my bumper I can turbo boost it and get into another lane. Life is good again.

A friend has a new CRV, he has the same complaint. At high speeds it is all over the road unless you really concentrate on the steering. I know exactly what he means.

jipster

jmonroe said:

In our town a year or so ago the police were chasing a man who had murdered his mother and 2 other people. They stopped the chase when they thought it was too dangerous and were heavily criticized for it. It took another week or so to catch the guy and everyone was terrified. So the police have a hard time either way.

I understand that police can be faulted either way but they are supposed to be professionals and should know when and when not to chase. On TV after this tragedy on Thanksgiving day, a couple police departments said they only chase when a death type of felony is committed. IIRC, the chase that I described was because the guy had an outstanding warrant for theft and maybe drugs. It was definitely not a murder suspect. jmonroe

Not sure of state laws, but I feel that if someone speeds away from law enforcement, and a
 death or injury results from a car crash during the pursuit, the person or person leading police on a high speed chase should be held responsible. Maybe they already are?

jmonroe

It's the fault of you guys in here. It's contagious. :@

I was talking to Son #1 at a social event last night and he tells me his wife hit a deer and ran completely over it. She is OK but his '13 Infinity G37 has some bruises. The car is drivable but he isn't sure how to even guess the extent of the work to fix it. Even the right front inner fender liner was just about knocked off.

She was coming off the PA pike ramp about to get onto a 4 lane road and the thing jumps right out of a hiding spot and into the right front of the car. She wasn't going very fast (maybe 30 MPH) but said she still had no time to react and was very lucky that the car behind her didn't nail her. My Son has to get an estimate but he has the rental already, a 2016 Buick Enclave. He likes the way it drives and would not mind getting one but it won't carry all the hockey stuff for 2 of his sons. So, he knows he can't get rid of the '16 Kia van he bought this past Spring.

TO BE CONTINUED.

jmonroe

jmonroe

jipster said:

jmonroe said:

In our town a year or so ago the police were chasing a man who had murdered his mother and 2 other people. They stopped the chase when they thought it was too dangerous and were heavily criticized for it. It took another week or so to catch the guy and everyone was terrified. So the police have a hard time either way.

I understand that police can be faulted either way but they are supposed to be professionals and should know when and when not to chase.

On TV after this tragedy on Thanksgiving day, a couple police departments said they only chase when a death type of felony is committed. IIRC, the chase that I described was because the guy had an outstanding warrant for theft and maybe drugs. It was definitely not a murder suspect.

jmonroe

Not sure of state laws, but I feel that if someone speeds away from law enforcement, and a
 death or injury results from a car crash during the pursuit, the person or person leading police on a high speed chase should be held responsible. Maybe they already are?

The guy that was being chased is now charged with 3 counts of some type of murder and a host of other charges that were laid on him. I'm pretty sure he is still in the slammer and won't be able to obtain bail. If this guy got bail, with his history, he'd be out doing the same thing before the Sun set.

jmonroe

fintail

Outlawed? I can buy all the cases of smokes I want right now. If I was in a regressive/hypocritical moralistic place, I'd be fined or jailed for a little baggie of weed that I grew on my back porch. Regarding pariah, maybe that should happen for all fume emitters, tobacco, pot, or vape. It all irritates me, and I don't think one should be a criminal offense when the equal or worse evils aren't. I don't think tax dollars should be wasted to fight just one of them. You'll likely be asked to leave any public space when partaking in any of the smoking hobbies, and rightfully so. I don't buy the persecuted smoker mantra.

Isn't that lobbying effort just by normal people who are tired of waste and idiocy? History proves something: prohibition doesn't work.

I have a suspicion tobacco has claimed many more lives than pot, but no data to back it up.

ab348 said:

The tobacco lobby is now so powerful that their product has been essentially outlawed for public use in all of N.A. as well as having pretty much anyone who still uses it made out as a pariah. Meanwhile weed users have massive parties in public parks and nobody bats an eye, kids think it cures cancer and is like a health food, and the product has been made legal thanks to a massive lobbying effort that nobody really seems to know much about in terms of where the money comes from. I find it hard to reconcile how smoking one of the things is considered pretty much like the worst thing anyone could do while smoking the other is considered good. Hypocrisy much?

stever

jmonroe said:

It's the fault of you guys in here. It's contagious. :@

I was talking to Son #1 at a social event last night and he tells me his wife hit a deer and ran completely over it.
jmonroe

Bummer, glad she's okay. PA has more roadkill deer carcasses on the shoulders than any other place I've driven.

Got my insurance checks today, maybe I'll get the van back next week.

suydam

Ohio's gotta be right up there on the deer count too.

stever

suydam said:

Ohio's gotta be right up there on the deer count too.

The UP was pretty bad, glad I'm out of deer country. Can't avoid T-Bone country though.

Worst states for deer collisions (carinsurance.com)

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

It's the fault of you guys in here. It's contagious. :@

I was talking to Son #1 at a social event last night and he tells me his wife hit a deer and ran completely over it. She is OK but his '13 Infinity G37 has some bruises. The car is drivable but he isn't sure how to even guess the extent of the work to fix it. Even the right front inner fender liner was just about knocked off.

She was coming off the PA pike ramp about to get onto a 4 lane road and the thing jumps right out of a hiding spot and into the right front of the car. She wasn't going very fast (maybe 30 MPH) but said she still had no time to react and was very lucky that the car behind her didn't nail her. My Son has to get an estimate but he has the rental already, a 2016 Buick Enclave. He likes the way it drives and would not mind getting one but it won't carry all the hockey stuff for 2 of his sons. So, he knows he can't get rid of the '16 Kia van he bought this past Spring.

TO BE CONTINUED.

jmonroe

Sorry that happened but we expect some pictures so we don't just have to take your word for it like Stever. We think he's having his film developed by Matthew Brady.

oldfarmer50

stever said:

suydam said:

Ohio's gotta be right up there on the deer count too.

The UP was pretty bad, glad I'm out of deer country. Can't avoid T-Bone country though.

Worst states for deer collisions (carinsurance.com)

Can't believe NY isn't on that list. Maybe NYC brings down the stat.