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berri

Many of those IRS deductions like Medical are more of a Marketing gimmick to make you think Uncle understands your problems. For most people, unless you live in a very high tax state, once your mortgage interest declines you are going to generally be better off with the standard deduction.

driver100

Michaell said:

iluvmysephia1 said:

2016 Scion iA in Stealth color

Yeah, Pulse is the Scion red. Stealth is what they called their black iA's. This car is worth every penny of $16,000.

I agree that for the price, the iA is quite loaded. I took a look at them last summer before leasing my Jetta - it was a bit too small for me, and I didn't like the fact that there was no center armrest.

No center armrest....no problem!

Easy solution:

jmonroe

iluvmysephia1 said:

SDA - you're right, man. You don't know it but you're a genius. Mrs. iluvmysephia1 needs something all her very own while we get our new '17 Toyota Yaris iA. It's so weird but I didn't know this guy sold Toyota's for a living...He does drive a new Solara - but I didn't even know that was his car. In fact, as we pulled up to our '11 Kia Soul, his late model Toyota Solara in black was sitting there. I said "that's William's car" and the Toyota guy goes "no, that's my car " Anyone else get the Toyota Camry and Solara mixed up? They look really similar to me.

Anyhow, something for my beautiful wife is definitely in order, because I'm gettin' those iA feelings again...Mazda 2 sedan, smooth 6-speed shift notches...Uh-huh. Stop it! This is the car I want. I drove from Dodge City, KS, to Denver Colorado ta pick up my black '16 brand new Scion iA, and Mountain States Scion pulls the "we just sold it not even a half hour ago."

What? I called...Umm...Nonsense on them. They were lying to me. Just like Dwight Yoakam said to Nick Cage in the movie 'Red Rock West', "you're lying ta me"...And, Dwight was right, Nick was lying to him. He was on top of Dwight's truck to hide from Wayne and from Dennis Hopper! I smelled fibbing real strong. What might make this place work out is that I know a salesman that works there...I have a connection.

Whether I try and go through this or not has to involve my wife...The conversation has to involve her and the fact that our finances are fine and will be fine even with the iA purchase. My boss is talking OT available in June. Our company just signed an agreement that enables us to get patients from a whole new chunk of Kansas City, Missouri. I can pay extra on the principal to pay down the overall balance faster.

And this guy is very easy to talk to, our friend who is the Toyota salesman. Oh my, I'm stirring up those iA feelings again.  

So, you drove all that way and they lied to you. That is a hellava brave dealership, but I have to hand it to you. If that happened to me I'd be waiting to hear from the parole board. :@ :@ :@

jmonroe

driver100

GG, I had a CLA loaner for a few days and I was completely unimpressed. There would be lots of cars I would choose over it.

But, I am getting ads for a new C300 that are just under $40k. The next level up was like $50 more and the top sport model was $300 or $400 more. Maybe if you are slightly over your budget amount you could kick in a few dollars. A new C300 should be a very satisfying ride.

If I had a Mercedes and it was over the warranty period, and I knew I was keeping the car for many more years, I would seriously consider an extended warranty. Only because it could save you a lot if you had a huge repair bill...say transmission or major electrical.

I also wonder about this. Most companies lease their cars. Your company has a limit of $40000 but that has little to do with actual lease cost. It may cost less to lease a $45k Mercedes than say a $40k Accord.

Will you be considering a Jaguar XE? Could be had for under $40k, very unique and stylish. Not quite up to the standards set by bmw in this article....but, probably a nice car to own and drive with some appeal. Not sure about reliability though.


TEST DRIVE 2017 JAG XE

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

carnaught said:

Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW

The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.

I think carnaughts point is worth considering. The chances of a Lexus or Avalon being a problem is not great, but, if there is a problem a loaner car is nice to have, and an extra year warranty is worth a lot. If it came down to these two cars, and it looked like the Lexus was your preferred choice...those factors plus the fact you would be less likely to want to trade out of the Lexus might make it the better buy overall.

GG, something else to consider....do you think your clients are influenced by the kind of car you drive? In some jobs, a nice car is a factor.....people are more confident of someone who drives a nice car. Not saying it means something about competence, but, prospective clients may be put off if you drive up in something like this;

Either put off, or utterly fascinated that you had the chutzpah to do that.

andres3

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

Comparing a 2017 TLX the one glaring point to consider is they thought the 4 cylinder was a little lacking in power - they push for getting a 6.. Another negative you may not like GG is they find the infotainment system to be sub par. Between the Avalon, Camry, Lexus and TLX they are all pretty close in every category.

US NEWS TLX

Test drove the TLX SHAWD. Still love me some Acura. Didn't notice anything untoward regarding the 9-speed transmission. Drove it on back roads, on the interstate, through some switchbacks. Seemed smooth...maybe somewhat slow to react to heavy throttle.

Two issues....is it worth $10K over an Accord Touring? I doubt I can get one at or under my $40K ceiling.

Well, it doesn't hurt to ask. Worst that can happen is you either get ignored, or if you are there in person, you waste some time being too far apart on price.

I found leveraging a less expensive car (Golf R) against Audi for a more expensive car (TTS) helped me to get a better deal quicker even though the TTS was a brand new RARE toy at the time I got it.

andres3

carnaught said:

Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

LEXUS is one car maker where I'd opt for even as little as two Benjamins over the extra year and 14,000 miles of Warranty as compared to Toyota.

andres3

Appreciate your insight, driver. Part of my compensation is for car reimbursement (up to a certain point). It's not really a "client" hauling vehicle. Most of my meetings are done by flying in, driving rental cars, or even UBER. Matter of fact, the only thing In Cincinnati is my office (which is in my home).

Funny, whenever I've bought a Honda or Acura (haven't bought a Toyota in a while, and never owned a Lexus), and we get into the F&I office, the subject of extended warranty comes up. I tell them the same thing all the time, "if I thought I'd need an extended warranty, I wouldn't be buying your car."

Even the Cadillac(s), no extended warranty would have helped.

Drove an A4 and an A3 last night. The A4 is particularly nice. There were no real downsides to it that are even worth touching on. But, to get it equipped the way I'd want it, it would exceed $40K. They aren't discounting them much (yet). A3 is nice, but the S3 is the shiznit! Plain A3 wasn't didn't quite float my boat. S3 was a hoot, though. Again, over the self imposed price limit.

I'm past the point where badge or manufacturer means anything to me anymore. I could go the Mercedes route and hit the number with a CLA. But, I really don't like that car. No offense to MB fans, but a CLA really isn't competitive at the price point they're selling.

Might look at a BMW 320i, but I know the 340/440i would be the I really want (there I go again....looking at $50K-$60K cars).

Carnaught....I plan on looking/driving the Fusion Sport. I just have to find a dealer who has one (easier said than done).

Not only wouldn't an extended warranty not have helped on the Cadillac, but it would have been an even greater inconvenience, a deeper debt hole, and an even worse situation had you paid extra for an extended warranty (probably non-refundable in the fine print) for a lemon.

As to your reviews on the A4 and S3, nice to hear. I've heard nothing but great things about the '17 S3 improvements over the '16 models I had test driven previously. Should be a real hoot, basically like my TTS but with 4-doors, probably a moon-roof, slightly skinnier tires, and that all adds up to about 200-300 extra pounds.

graphicguy

Love some Jag XE. But, trying to get away from vehicles that have a less than good reliability rating/reputation.

C Class is on the list to test drive again. If the Costco pricing that I saw is to be believed, those are going for about $7K off MSRP. Must be a lot of trunk money there. So, wondering what sort of C I could get for $47K?

My son had a Hyundai Elantra (right before he bought the GTI). Reliable car....started to really fall apart after 100K miles. But, up until that point, it was on the road every day with little in the way of unscheduled maintenance or repairs.

Tried to like the previous Genesis as well as the new one. I drove the old one a couple of times. Just didn't really "float my boat". Maybe take the new G80 a spin and see if i like it any better/worse.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

carnaught said:

Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW

The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.

I think carnaughts point is worth considering. The chances of a Lexus or Avalon being a problem is not great, but, if there is a problem a loaner car is nice to have, and an extra year warranty is worth a lot. If it came down to these two cars, and it looked like the Lexus was your preferred choice...those factors plus the fact you would be less likely to want to trade out of the Lexus might make it the better buy overall.

GG, something else to consider....do you think your clients are influenced by the kind of car you drive? In some jobs, a nice car is a factor.....people are more confident of someone who drives a nice car. Not saying it means something about competence, but, prospective clients may be put off if you drive up in something like this;

Either put off, or utterly fascinated that you had the chutzpah to do that.

It would certainly make an impression....they won't forget you easily.

ab348

Was out today in truly lousy conditions. We had another 6'-8' of wet snow overnight and this morning and combined with the couple of feet we had from earlier in the week driving is bad. Not so much the roads not being cleared as much as poor width as a result of incomplete clearing, and massive banks impeding visibility. On a lot of 4-lanes where there are merge lanes they simply didn't bother clearing those, so you have abrupt lane drops. Very dicey.

I saw the aftermath of a bad accident today, but probably more due to bad driving than conditions. A Mazda CX-5 was apparently making a left across 2 lanes of oncoming traffic and got hit hard in the front. By the time I got there the police, fire and ambulances were there and the other vehicle must have been towed away already. The road was littered with parts, broken glass and plastic, but the most striking thing was the transmission case (cast aluminum I think) was shattered into pieces and scattered on the road. Hope everyone ends up OK.

Also I was sitting in traffic next to a car I had never seen before, a Jag XKL 3.0 AWD. Long car, driven by a rich-looking guy, very impressive vehicle.

andres3

Michaell said:

I think the GLI and GTI are on different platforms - GTI is on MQB and the Jetta isn't.

Does the 1.8T have the regular 6-speed auto or DSG?

It sounds like the only way to get a fabulous DSG then is to either get a GTI/GLI, R, TDI (near impossible now), or All-Track when it comes to VW.

Michaell

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

I think the GLI and GTI are on different platforms - GTI is on MQB and the Jetta isn't.

Does the 1.8T have the regular 6-speed auto or DSG?

It sounds like the only way to get a fabulous DSG then is to either get a GTI/GLI, R, TDI (near impossible now), or All-Track when it comes to VW.

I'll admit I wasn't impressed with the one test drive I took with a DSG. I think I prefer simple over complex when it comes to transmissions.

andres3

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

I think the GLI and GTI are on different platforms - GTI is on MQB and the Jetta isn't.

Does the 1.8T have the regular 6-speed auto or DSG?

It sounds like the only way to get a fabulous DSG then is to either get a GTI/GLI, R, TDI (near impossible now), or All-Track when it comes to VW.

I'll admit I wasn't impressed with the one test drive I took with a DSG. I think I prefer simple over complex when it comes to transmissions.

Try a pre-owned or CPO S4 7-speed DSG and see what you think. While the TDI VW DSG didn't impress me all that much, the AllTracks feels quite good. Most of my experience is with Audi's version of DSG.

Michaell

Sd

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

I think the GLI and GTI are on different platforms - GTI is on MQB and the Jetta isn't.

Does the 1.8T have the regular 6-speed auto or DSG?

It sounds like the only way to get a fabulous DSG then is to either get a GTI/GLI, R, TDI (near impossible now), or All-Track when it comes to VW.

I'll admit I wasn't impressed with the one test drive I took with a DSG. I think I prefer simple over complex when it comes to transmissions.

Try a pre-owned or CPO S4 7-speed DSG and see what you think. While the TDI VW DSG didn't impress me all that much, the AllTracks feels quite good. Most of my experience is with Audi's version of DSG.

Admittedly, my test drive was a number of years ago with a VW CC. I should reserve judgement until I've driven a more recent iteration of the transmission. And, to test both the Audi and VW versions

28firefighter

I had a 2013 CC with a DSG and I have my 2016 GTI now. I can tell you that the DSG in my GTI is night and day better. It still requires a different approach to managing the throttle to really take advantage of it, but it is nowhere near as clunky as it was 4 years ago.

oldfarmer50

uplanderguy said:

I know I'm an outlier here, but that interior color of the BMW looks like a pumpkin to me. I didn't like that color when Impalas had it recently, or when bottom-line Ford Fairmonts had it in '78.

I like a light beige interior, with minimal black everywhere else, but I'm probably thirty years behind the times in that respect, too.

Sign me up for the old folks home but I didn't care for that interior either. I'd prefer something with a little more brown in it.

But if RR loaned me that car for a week or two I'd keep my mouth shut.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Took the Mustang out last night while going from dealer to dealer. I couldn't have garnered more interest if I had pulled up in an NSX. Speaking of the NSX, my Acura dealer has one in their showroom, roped off. I took some iPhone pics of it and have to download them, which I'll post here.

Apparently, they had it sold over a year ago. The buyer backed out of the deal (losing a hefty deposit in the process). It's for sale if any of you want it. It's "all that" and a bag of chips.

I think if you drove that Cobra around with a sign on it telling the super low price you paid most people would forget how to spell NSX.

I see Cobras on CL for thousands more with triple the milage on yours.

oldfarmer50

berri said:

Many of those IRS deductions like Medical are more of a Marketing gimmick to make you think Uncle understands your problems. For most people, unless you live in a very high tax state, once your mortgage interest declines you are going to generally be better off with the standard deduction.

When my wife got sick I was counting on the medical deduction. Not much compared to our bills. But what really irked me was tax exclusions for cashing in savings bonds. Seems there was no tax on gain if you cashed in your bonds for school or buying a house but not to pay the hospital. I guess poor sick people didn't have a good lobby.

explorerx4

Graphicguy,
Maybe you should look at leasing a car for a couple of years.
Your self imposed price range won't get you what you really want anyway.
Otoh, you could buy that Accord Touring V6 and when you get the itch for something else, sell me the Cobra and keep the Honda as a last of it's kind, low volume car.

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

I know I'm an outlier here, but that interior color of the BMW looks like a pumpkin to me. I didn't like that color when Impalas had it recently, or when bottom-line Ford Fairmonts had it in '78. I like a light beige interior, with minimal black everywhere else, but I'm probably thirty years behind the times in that respect, too.

Sign me up for the old folks home but I didn't care for that interior either. I'd prefer something with a little more brown in it. But if RR loaned me that car for a week or two I'd keep my mouth shut.

That's why there is the "different strokes for different folks" saying which is why BMW offers a myriad of interior leather colors.  I happen to have that "orangey" interior called cogniac.  I find it serves my needs quite well.  I'm tired of black and gray and beige interiors which Mercedes is famous for.  I wanted something flashy and dashing for a change.  It also matches the orangey colored interior LED peripheral lighting in the interior of my car.

I am not the least bit insulted that you and uplander dislike that color - in fact I am even more proud of myself for choosing that interior since I know that your taste in colors is much too conservative. 

abacomike

We ended up going out for lunch at a gourmet hamburger restaurant here in Ponte Vedra.  We each had double cheeseburgers and fries with a drink - $29.00 + tax.  I couldn't finish the fries they had so much.  After paying the bill, my love for McDonalds and Burger King and Wendy's (also In 'n Out Burgers in CA) resurfaced in my cerebral memories, "...now I remember why I liked those places - 1/4 the price!"  

jmonroe

abacomike said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I know I'm an outlier here, but that interior color of the BMW looks like a pumpkin to me. I didn't like that color when Impalas had it recently, or when bottom-line Ford Fairmonts had it in '78.

I like a light beige interior, with minimal black everywhere else, but I'm probably thirty years behind the times in that respect, too.

Sign me up for the old folks home but I didn't care for that interior either. I'd prefer something with a little more brown in it.

But if RR loaned me that car for a week or two I'd keep my mouth shut.

That's why there is the "different strokes for different folks" saying which is why BMW offers a myriad of interior leather colors.  I happen to have that "orangey" interior called cogniac.  I find it serves my needs quite well.  I'm tired of black and gray and beige interiors which Mercedes is famous for.  I wanted something flashy and dashing for a change.  It also matches the orangey colored interior LED peripheral lighting in the interior of my car.

I am not the least bit insulted that you and uplander dislike that color - in fact I am even more proud of myself for choosing that interior since I know that your taste in colors is much too conservative. 

You are right Mike (I didn't mean for that to rhyme, honest), 'different strokes for different folks' but I'm with @uplanderguy and @oldfarmer50 about the saddle color interior. I guess I shouldn't talk, my '15 Genny is double drab. Charcoal Grey exterior and Black interior with Black carpeting.

I hate to admit this but Mrs. j was right. I should have kept the '09 Genny. The exterior was a very nice burgundy with the light beige interior with Black carpeting. If I had to do it again, I would still be driving that car. It at least looked nice and the toys in the '15 are totally wasted on me.

jmonroe

roadburner

@graphicguy:
I might be able to get this puppy down to around $40k- it's a 328i RWD Sport Line with just about every bell and whistle: Premium Pkg, Navigation, H-K...

oldfarmer50

Maybe GG should think about getting this:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/FP350S/?cks=15304659750&emailid=FP_FASTNEWS

imidazol97

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roadburner

If I didn't already have the 2 Series I'd be really tempted by this- a 2017 340i stick with the Track Handling Package as well as a few other M Performance enhancements...

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I know I'm an outlier here, but that interior color of the BMW looks like a pumpkin to me. I didn't like that color when Impalas had it recently, or when bottom-line Ford Fairmonts had it in '78.

I like a light beige interior, with minimal black everywhere else, but I'm probably thirty years behind the times in that respect, too.

Sign me up for the old folks home but I didn't care for that interior either. I'd prefer something with a little more brown in it.

But if RR loaned me that car for a week or two I'd keep my mouth shut.

That's why there is the "different strokes for different folks" saying which is why BMW offers a myriad of interior leather colors.  I happen to have that "orangey" interior called cogniac.  I find it serves my needs quite well.  I'm tired of black and gray and beige interiors which Mercedes is famous for.  I wanted something flashy and dashing for a change.  It also matches the orangey colored interior LED peripheral lighting in the interior of my car.

I am not the least bit insulted that you and uplander dislike that color - in fact I am even more proud of myself for choosing that interior since I know that your taste in colors is much too conservative. 

I actually like that color in your car which is white. Guess the contrast with a black exterior isn't my taste.

stickguy

Oh my goodness. That 328i is just perfect. I would be really happy with that one. Though my wife would not be happy with that red interior!

venture

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

carnaught said:

Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW

The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.

I think carnaughts point is worth considering. The chances of a Lexus or Avalon being a problem is not great, but, if there is a problem a loaner car is nice to have, and an extra year warranty is worth a lot. If it came down to these two cars, and it looked like the Lexus was your preferred choice...those factors plus the fact you would be less likely to want to trade out of the Lexus might make it the better buy overall.

GG, something else to consider....do you think your clients are influenced by the kind of car you drive? In some jobs, a nice car is a factor.....people are more confident of someone who drives a nice car. Not saying it means something about competence, but, prospective clients may be put off if you drive up in something like this;

Carnaught....I plan on looking/driving the Fusion Sport. I just have to find a dealer who has one (easier said than done).

Try Northgate Ford. They have 5 or 6 of them.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Maybe GG should think about getting this:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/FP350S/?cks=15304659750&emailid=FP_FASTNEWS

No go, has to be a 4 door.

driver100

roadburner said:

@graphicguy:
I might be able to get this puppy down to around $40k- it's a 328i RWD Sport Line with just about every bell and whistle: Premium Pkg, Navigation, H-K...

That would be a pretty nice car for around $40k. I checked out the inventory and most models had a black interior. At least the red looks pretty lively, and has some contrast. The saddle brown color interior seemed to be the next most popular. I think I saw oyster and black but it looked mostly black.

Roadrunner, why do most people choose black interiors? Is saddle brown next most popular? What do people say when they see the red?

fintail

I assume people choose black because it is easy to keep looking clean. It's popular in Germany, so it must be a calculated pragmatic choice.

That red BMW interior is pretty bright.

houdini1

abacomike said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I know I'm an outlier here, but that interior color of the BMW looks like a pumpkin to me. I didn't like that color when Impalas had it recently, or when bottom-line Ford Fairmonts had it in '78.

I like a light beige interior, with minimal black everywhere else, but I'm probably thirty years behind the times in that respect, too.

Sign me up for the old folks home but I didn't care for that interior either. I'd prefer something with a little more brown in it.

But if RR loaned me that car for a week or two I'd keep my mouth shut.

That's why there is the "different strokes for different folks" saying which is why BMW offers a myriad of interior leather colors.  I happen to have that "orangey" interior called cogniac.  I find it serves my needs quite well.  I'm tired of black and gray and beige interiors which Mercedes is famous for.  I wanted something flashy and dashing for a change.  It also matches the orangey colored interior LED peripheral lighting in the interior of my car.

I am not the least bit insulted that you and uplander dislike that color - in fact I am even more proud of myself for choosing that interior since I know that your taste in colors is much too conservative. 


Maybe it is just the color on our monitors, etc, but I liked your interior color. It did not seem as orange as the ones we just looked at. I like yours, but I don't like the pumpkin. Your color is called cogniac. What is the color that RR just showed us on the 440 ? Is it different?

roadburner

driver100 said:

Roadrunner, why do most people choose black interiors? Is saddle brown next most popular? What do people say when they see the red?

Black interiors seem to be a safe choice, but we have a pretty good selection of other colors as well. I like black interiors as well as darker colors- although if I could change anything on my 2 Series it would be the interior- I'd love to have Coral Red instead of black. And that shade of red is polarizing- people either love it or hate it.

ab348

fintail said:

I assume people choose black because it is easy to keep looking clean.

I hear that all the time, but it's not. Black shows every speck of dust, lint, hair, whatever. Gray is probably the easiest to keep clean. My old '77 LeMans had a white interior and even that was easy to keep clean-looking without a whole lot of effort.

imidazol97

This is cognac according to my google search. I like that. My interior is a lighter tan, but I would like
this with a black exterior.

abacomike

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I know I'm an outlier here, but that interior color of the BMW looks like a pumpkin to me. I didn't like that color when Impalas had it recently, or when bottom-line Ford Fairmonts had it in '78. I like a light beige interior, with minimal black everywhere else, but I'm probably thirty years behind the times in that respect, too.

Sign me up for the old folks home but I didn't care for that interior either. I'd prefer something with a little more brown in it. But if RR loaned me that car for a week or two I'd keep my mouth shut.

That's why there is the "different strokes for different folks" saying which is why BMW offers a myriad of interior leather colors.  I happen to have that "orangey" interior called cogniac.  I find it serves my needs quite well.  I'm tired of black and gray and beige interiors which Mercedes is famous for.  I wanted something flashy and dashing for a change.  It also matches the orangey colored interior LED peripheral lighting in the interior of my car.

I am not the least bit insulted that you and uplander dislike that color - in fact I am even more proud of myself for choosing that interior since I know that your taste in colors is much too conservative. 

Maybe it is just the color on our monitors, etc, but I liked your interior color. It did not seem as orange as the ones we just looked at. I like yours, but I don't like the pumpkin. Your color is called cogniac. What is the color that RR just showed us on the 440 ? Is it different?

I think it's the angle that the sun reflects off it.  As for the 440, it's probably the same unless their leather colors are different in their sportier models.  Red is not a 740i color.  I really like my interior color because it doesn't show the dirt and grime like beige or light gray does.  Cogniac is I a little darker than the other saddle colors offered by BMW.

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

This is cognac according to my google search. I like that. My interior is a lighter tan, but I would like this with a black exterior.

I have Dakota Cogniac - they also offer Nappa Cogniac and Caramel and Tartufo Merino, all of which are very similar, but different shades.  

graphicguy

venture said:

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

carnaught said:

Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW

The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.

I think carnaughts point is worth considering. The chances of a Lexus or Avalon being a problem is not great, but, if there is a problem a loaner car is nice to have, and an extra year warranty is worth a lot. If it came down to these two cars, and it looked like the Lexus was your preferred choice...those factors plus the fact you would be less likely to want to trade out of the Lexus might make it the better buy overall.

GG, something else to consider....do you think your clients are influenced by the kind of car you drive? In some jobs, a nice car is a factor.....people are more confident of someone who drives a nice car. Not saying it means something about competence, but, prospective clients may be put off if you drive up in something like this;

Carnaught....I plan on looking/driving the Fusion Sport. I just have to find a dealer who has one (easier said than done).

Try Northgate Ford. They have 5 or 6 of them.

Thanks, Carnaught. I rarely get to that part of town and forget there are a bunch of dealerships along that stretch!

qbrozen

ab348 said:

I assume people choose black because it is easy to keep looking clean.

I hear that all the time, but it's not. Black shows every speck of dust, lint, hair, whatever. Gray is probably the easiest to keep clean. My old '77 LeMans had a white interior and even that was easy to keep clean-looking without a whole lot of effort.

Totally agree. Black is the worst. On top of the dirt/dust issue, cracks/creases/rubs in black leather are far more apparent than light colors. 

berri

I think grey was popular because it has a tech look. Many cockpit seats are grey. Not showing stuff like dirt is another advantage, but from a design perspective I think it was probably mostly the former.

nyccarguy

@roadburner - so what does the sport line package get you?  Those split 5 spoke wheels, black trim, black headliner, but no sport suspension (or adaptive suspension).

fintail

Yeah, greybeige is best because it's the color of dirt

When I had a black interior car, I would just wipe/dust it weekly. The next car had a very light grey interior where the seat would show denim rubbing. It was MB-Tex, so I'd use a little detergent water as lubricant along with very gentle wiping with a magic eraser, and it would come clean. I wouldn't do that with leather. MB also recommends microfiber to not be used on Tex.

ab348 said:

I hear that all the time, but it's not. Black shows every speck of dust, lint, hair, whatever. Gray is probably the easiest to keep clean. My old '77 LeMans had a white interior and even that was easy to keep clean-looking without a whole lot of effort.

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

@roadburner - so what does the sport line package get you?  Those split 5 spoke wheels, black trim, black headliner, but no sport suspension (or adaptive suspension).

Just trim; red stitching on the wheel, sport seats, etc.

suydam

imidazol97 said:

This is cognac according to my google search. I like that. My interior is a lighter tan, but I would like
this with a black exterior.

For the Volt they call it "Brandy"
Black is too hot in warm weather. I prefer either this dark cognac/brandy/caramel or a light grey which I think looks very nice and doesn't show dirt. My Encore is black with light grey interior; my Maxima was light blue with light grey leather.

fintail

Does anyone offer a white interior these days? Real white, not "porcelain" or anything slightly off-white.

There's a 6er Gran Coupe in my area with what looks like a white interior, must be a special order car. For those without kids and who don't go out in the mud, it could be a stylish thing again. When I was a little kid, my mom had a gargantuan 70s T-Bird that was white on white. Not the best choice for hauling kids, but it had some style.

stickguy

might be oyster. that seems to be as light as they go. Though I never specced out a 6GC.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Maybe GG should think about getting this:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/FP350S/?cks=15304659750&emailid=FP_FASTNEWS

No go, has to be a 4 door.

He'll be going so fast his bosses won't be able to count the doors!

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

This is cognac according to my google search. I like that. My interior is a lighter tan, but I would like
this with a black exterior.

Just looking at seats I'd prefer that color but it would depend on what color car they were put in.