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bwia

Bargains at IRS Auctions

For those like Old Farmer looking for a great deal you may want to check out this website. The first item listed in a 2006 Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG going for a paltry $12K.
http://www.treasury.gov/auctions/irs/cat_Auto2.htm

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

There was a story a month or so ago, where one of the car mags had the tires/wheels stolen off their long term Fusion. Replacement cost, over $4300. Same as I have and they do look good. I guess the bad guys feel the same way.

They should have gone for the optional wheel locks which the crooks can just chisel off so that they can be upset with that too. :@

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

factory alloys are crazy expensive to replace. Much cheaper often to get after market, even getting better quality ones.

The factory alloys on my Eclipse were $400 each. That was 6 years ago.

explorerx4

Since I'm going to get some cash as a result of my investing in our company. I've been doing a lot of looking at a next/another vehicle.
Really want a pickup truck. BTW, we haven't heard much from Sterlingdog lately, so I guessing he is driving around in his new Country Cadillac with his left elbow on the door sill.
I want a short bed pickup truck and have been looking at new ones on a bunch of dealer websites
2014's have $1500 trade in assistance.
However, today, I saw a 90's 4WD short bed F150 for sale for $1200, asking.
The bed was rusted through over the rear wheels, they all are, but other than that, looked ok.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Can this be right? We got our insurance policy for the Passat which is in Florida. For 6 months the cost is $238!
We got these discounts: Safe Driving Club $66, Homeowner $39, Alert Driving $36 (don't even know what that means), Passive restraint $20, New Car $4, Responsible payer $9, Risk avoidance $23, anti-theft $2.50, anti-lock brakes $7.50, Electronic Stability Control $6. TOTAL $214!

Is this a great country or what. I think other years 6 months did cost about $460.

Tampa must be a less risky area than where Mike lives. My Lincoln without collision is about $150 for 6 months, the Eclipse with collision is about $275 but that's way far from NYC. Your rates sound about right.

oldfarmer50

I drove past a new Corvette today that looked just like this:

http://xrayy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015-Corvette-Z06.jpg

Maybe if I sell my house and my children....man, that is a beautiful car.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

Funny thing; my Mazda is not extremely fast from a stop(0-60 in @5.4 seconds) but according to Car and Driver in the 50-70 run in top gear a dead stock MS3 is as fast-or faster-than a Boss 302, Camaro ZL1 or Challenger SRT. And mine is even quicker than that...

Isn't that because your car is rev limited in the first three gears? Probably done that way to avoid burning off the tires.

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

Bargains at IRS Auctions

For those like Old Farmer looking for a great deal you may want to check out this website. The first item listed in a 2006 Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG going for a paltry $12K.
http://www.treasury.gov/auctions/irs/cat_Auto2.htm

202k miles? Are you kidding. Besides I wouldn't buy from those $&@%## if they were free.

fezo

Mile, that certainly sounds relaxing.....

Yeah, when I was in there they had a catheter is me that led to like six different veins so they could poison me a few ways while still throwing in saline and taking blood. They said I should cut my hair short so it wouldn't be as traumatic when it fell out. Not me. They said, "well, you'll know when it's time to shave the head because big clumps of hair will be falling out in the shower. " Yep. They didn't tell me about having your GI system completely go as part of what they were killing.

At any rate I live to tell the tale.

imidazol97

fezo said:

At any rate I live to tell the tale.

And we were pulling for you here.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

Are you sure they put comp/collision in there? It does seem awfully cheap.

driver100 said:

Can this be right? We got our insurance policy for the Passat which is in Florida. For 6 months the cost is $238!
We got these discounts: Safe Driving Club $66, Homeowner $39, Alert Driving $36 (don't even know what that means), Passive restraint $20, New Car $4, Responsible payer $9, Risk avoidance $23, anti-theft $2.50, anti-lock brakes $7.50, Electronic Stability Control $6. TOTAL $214!

Is this a great country or what. I think other years 6 months did cost about $460.

It is, and liability is $1 million....that's the normal amount we would get in Canada because of the possible cost of possible liability damage. Many agents said people in Florida only have $100k liability and $300k is usually the maximum. She said they can't sue and take your home or retirement savings so most people make that their limit.

I guess you can sue for a lot more in Canada.

It seems we started with a higher rate, and then when they saw we made it through 2 years ok they started giving us discounts.

In Canada we have good rates but pay about $700 for 6 months worth.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Can this be right? We got our insurance policy for the Passat which is in Florida. For 6 months the cost is $238!
We got these discounts: Safe Driving Club $66, Homeowner $39, Alert Driving $36 (don't even know what that means), Passive restraint $20, New Car $4, Responsible payer $9, Risk avoidance $23, anti-theft $2.50, anti-lock brakes $7.50, Electronic Stability Control $6. TOTAL $214!

Is this a great country or what. I think other years 6 months did cost about $460.

Tampa must be a less risky area than where Mike lives. My Lincoln without collision is about $150 for 6 months, the Eclipse with collision is about $275 but that's way far from NYC. Your rates sound about right.

Sounds pretty comparable then. To me it seems like a bargain when we pay about $700 for 6 months in Canada.

Nice thing about our Florida insurance, we can put it on vacation when we aren't there.

oldfarmer50

"...It seems we started with a higher rate, and then when they saw we made it through 2 years ok they started giving us discounts..."

They probably noticed that you didn't drive through any store fronts or condo gates recently so they took you out of the senile citizen risk pool.

That's probably what the Alert Driving discount is about, you weren't asleep at the wheel.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

"...It seems we started with a higher rate, and then when they saw we made it through 2 years ok they started giving us discounts..."

They probably noticed that you didn't drive through any store fronts or condo gates recently so they took you out of the senile citizen risk pool.

That's probably what the Alert Driving discount is about, you weren't asleep at the wheel.

lol....lots of truth in that observation. Every day when we are in Florida, there is a news story about a car that drives through a store front, or goes up on the sidewalk. I also see lots of people driving around with signal lights that never seem to go off.

Another one that I see a lot more in Florida is people who take about 24 minutes to make a right turn. They slow down to almost a stop, and they curve out to the left first, as if they were driving a semi tractor trailer with about 20 wheels, Then they contemplate how they can negotiate the big turn. :@

driver100

I read a review for the 2015 RAV4. The reviewer said what we all say, the RAV4 is competent and well made, just not fun to drive. He said he would want a vehicle that wasn't so boring to drive, and he would choose an Escape, Cherokee, or Mazda C5. At least there are engine choices, and these models have a fun element to driving them.

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

The four cylinder take rate projection that you are referring to was made when the Fox body Mustang was introduced in 1979. The V8 offered at launch was a weak-kneed 4.2 liter boat anchor. Ford was pushing the base 2.3 Pinto I4 to penny pinchers and the turbo 2.3 I4 to enthusiasts. And even if the 1982 V8 take rate was 50% any dealer with a grain of common sense would have close to the same number of V8s and I4s.
The introduction of the 5.0 H.O. was BIG news in 1982 and that old coot at the L-M dealer was so clueless he would have needed a proctologist to find his head. It was obvious to me that his preferred clientele consisted of 5' tall blue haired ladies and geezers wearing Ban-Lon slacks with white belts and matching shoes.

I know when it was introduced, I bought a new 1981 Mustang in 1982 (year old new that I got for a decent discount). It was after I bought that car that I read the article that mentioned that ford was expecting to sell at least 50% of the mustangs with 4 cylinders.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel‌;

SPEAKING OF AIRLINE TICKETS...

Supply and demand is what determines the pricing, to be sure as you mentioned in your post, Snake.

Not only that but travel between set cities are unique markets. As an example Edmunds airlines has a flight from New York City to San Franciso, that plane makes one stop in Chicago. Any combination of flights you can take (NYC to Chicago, NYC to SF and Chicago to SF) are different unique markets and priced accordingly. That means that the fare from NYC to SF can be less than the fair from Chicago to SF, even though it's the same flight and the same airplane.

Back in the 80's I had a boss that traveled to DC on a monthly basis, We would get a ticket for him on a flight from Denver to DC with a layover in Chicago and he would board the plane in Chicago. We did it that way because the ticket from Denver to DC with the layover was less than the ticket from Chicago to DC on the very same plane. That was due to each city combination being a different market.

Unfortunately due to events in this current century you cannot do that any more.

snakeweasel

bwia said:

Perhaps you should wait a while longer because Samsung is coming out with new Wi-fi technology that is 5 times faster than current systems that allow HD-movie downloads in 3 sec flat.

Read more at: http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/samsung-s-new-5-times-faster-wi-fi-will-allow-hd-movie-download-in-3-sec-flat-114101400512_1.html

I would be weary of that, no matter how fast your internet connection is or your wi-fi is your download can only be as fast as the slowest connect between the source and you. That means that you might have the ability to download that HD movie in 3 seconds but if Billy Bobs internet house of movies and bait shop can only send it at a speed that takes one minute your download time will be one minute. And even if Billy Bob has a much faster system to get movies out it will have to travel through the internet through other servers and your download will be at the rate of the slowest server it runs through.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Wonder what thet guy pays for car insurance. Seems it was one of those cars used for insurance scams....sometimes there is an accident every month.
Accident / Damage
Accidents reported on: 10/15/2009, 10/16/2009, 06/10/2011, 04/17/2012, 05/01/2012, 08/30/2012, 11/01/2012 and 03/01/2013.
Of course, the accidents were in New York so maybe the car got hit while it was parked on the street.

You come up with some good ones OF.

Some of those dates are so close together I wonder if some accidents have been recorded twice, maybe the same accident was reported by two different sources on two different days.

Mr_Shiftright

My aunt Ann had something like 7 accidents. Some people have this innate talent.

robr2

snakeweasel said:

Not only that but travel between set cities are unique markets. As an example Edmunds airlines has a flight from New York City to San Franciso, that plane makes one stop in Chicago. Any combination of flights you can take (NYC to Chicago, NYC to SF and Chicago to SF) are different unique markets and priced accordingly. That means that the fare from NYC to SF can be less than the fair from Chicago to SF, even though it's the same flight and the same airplane.

Back in the 80's I had a boss that traveled to DC on a monthly basis, We would get a ticket for him on a flight from Denver to DC with a layover in Chicago and he would board the plane in Chicago. We did it that way because the ticket from Denver to DC with the layover was less than the ticket from Chicago to DC on the very same plane. That was due to each city combination being a different market.

Unfortunately due to events in this current century you cannot do that any more.

This is known as a hidden city flight. Once boarding passes went electronic, the ability to do this went away as the airlines could see that you didn't make the originating flight. The terms of carriage allow the airline to cancel your entire itinerary once you miss the original flight.

Now did electronic boarding passes come about due to the threat of terrorism or due to advances in technology is another topic.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

nyccarguy said:

@abacomike‌

Thanks for keeping us updated from your hospital bed. Please get better soon my man!

Well, it looks like kidney disease/failure as well as the pneumonia.  When it rains, it pours.  They have to change my diet and are scheduling me for an ultrasound to get a better look at the kidneys.  Things are not looking up - at least not yet.

I do hope that everything works out for you and anyone else here that is having health issues.This place wouldn't be the same without all of you.

explorerx4

I was wondering if there was a multi car accident, with that car being responsible?

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

9 seconds is pretty slow. It's about the same as a Hyundai Elantra, actually almost a second slower. I don't need the power to get from 0 to 60 in 5 or 6 seconds, but I may need it to get onto the highway from 50 mph to 70 mph. even if I am a "mature" guy.

while 9 seconds may look slow in comparison to many of todays high powered cars the question is how often do you really get up to 60 in 9 seconds or less (OK better question is how often do you really need to)? Most times a group of cars taking off from s stop light takes 15 to 20 seconds to get to 45. And if you need all the power that a 400 HP engine gives to safely make the pass maybe it really isn't safe to pass.

snakeweasel

bwia said:

Bargains at IRS Auctions

For those like Old Farmer looking for a great deal you may want to check out this website. The first item listed in a 2006 Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG going for a paltry $12K.
http://www.treasury.gov/auctions/irs/cat_Auto2.htm

A 2006 with over 202K miles? Thats something like 25K miles a year, what were they doing?

Anyway I went to KKB and priced a 2006 with 202K miles, they came up with a $12K price at a private party sale and only $10.6K for a trade in.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

I drove past a new Corvette today that looked just like this:

http://xrayy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015-Corvette-Z06.jpg

Maybe if I sell my house and my children....man, that is a beautiful car.

Not many cars can pull off yellow, but this one does. Maybe if I win the lottery tonight Monday evening one will be in my garage. In other words not very likely.

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

My aunt Ann had something like 7 accidents. Some people have this innate talent.

I used to work with a guy who seemed to be in an accident every other month. I suggested a defensive driver course and his response was why should he none of the accidents were his fault (not sure if that was true or he just thought that). I tried to explain that even if they weren't his fault a defensive driving course could teach him skills to avoid an accident even if it's not his fault.

snakeweasel

robr2 said:

This is known as a hidden city flight. Once boarding passes went electronic, the ability to do this went away as the airlines could see that you didn't make the originating flight. The terms of carriage allow the airline to cancel your entire itinerary once you miss the original flight.

Now did electronic boarding passes come about due to the threat of terrorism or due to advances in technology is another topic.

I knew that there was a name for it, I just couldn't remember it (if I even knew it before). On a related note I have a friend who lives downstate and the Amtrak California Zepher stops right by me in the Chicago suburbs and stops a half block from his home so I have played around with using it to visit him sometime. However it's more expensive to take it from my suburb to his town than to take it from downtown Chicago to his town. As a matter of fact it is cheaper to take the local commuter train system (Metra) from my house to the city and then take Amtrak from Chicago to my friends house even though the Amtrak train stops at the same station I would get on the Metra train at.

ab348

robr2 said:

This is known as a hidden city flight. Once boarding passes went electronic, the ability to do this went away as the airlines could see that you didn't make the originating flight. The terms of carriage allow the airline to cancel your entire itinerary once you miss the original flight.

Now did electronic boarding passes come about due to the threat of terrorism or due to advances in technology is another topic.

This reminded me of something - not really the same, but related.

In 1979 I got my first job. It was with a relatively small dental supply house here. But the owner had aspirations of grandeur so he opened a second location in the Toronto market. He was under-capitalized and some weeks could barely make payroll - in fact I remember my paycheck being refused at the bank on a few Fridays. What a nice feeling when you are not making very much money and need that cash. The owner was not a nice guy and would do anything to make a buck.

One of the tricks he bragged about and did quite openly was using the airlines to get a suitcase full of product from one office to another for free. They would buy a ticket from Halifax to Toronto or vice versa, check in for the flight and provide the suitcase full of goods as checked baggage, then leave the airport and not get on the flight. Someone from the other office would go to the arrival airport and pick up the bag off the baggage carousel. Then the originator would get a refund for the unused ticket. Free air freight!

Of course that would not work now but in those days they did it fairly often. It was an awful place to work with those kind of ethics (that was just the tip of the iceberg) and I was glad to leave.

driver100

ab348 said:

robr2 said:

This is known as a hidden city flight. Once boarding passes went electronic, the ability to do this went away as the airlines could see that you didn't make the originating flight. The terms of carriage allow the airline to cancel your entire itinerary once you miss the original flight.

Now did electronic boarding passes come about due to the threat of terrorism or due to advances in technology is another topic.

This reminded me of something - not really the same, but related.

In 1979 I got my first job. It was with a relatively small dental supply house here. But the owner had aspirations of grandeur so he opened a second location in the Toronto market. He was under-capitalized and some weeks could barely make payroll - in fact I remember my paycheck being refused at the bank on a few Fridays. What a nice feeling when you are not making very much money and need that cash. The owner was not a nice guy and would do anything to make a buck.

One of the tricks he bragged about and did quite openly was using the airlines to get a suitcase full of product from one office to another for free. They would buy a ticket from Halifax to Toronto or vice versa, check in for the flight and provide the suitcase full of goods as checked baggage, then leave the airport and not get on the flight. Someone from the other office would go to the arrival airport and pick up the bag off the baggage carousel. Then the originator would get a refund for the unused ticket. Free air freight!

Of course that would not work now but in those days they did it fairly often. It was an awful place to work with those kind of ethics (that was just the tip of the iceberg) and I was glad to leave.

I have a theory about some of these people with questionable business ethics. If they put as much energy into trying to increase their business as they do trying to rip people off they might be successful.

henryn

driver100 said:

I read a review for the 2015 RAV4. The reviewer said what we all say, the RAV4 is competent and well made, just not fun to drive. He said he would want a vehicle that wasn't so boring to drive, and he would choose an Escape, Cherokee, or Mazda C5. At least there are engine choices, and these models have a fun element to driving them.

A few years ago (3? 4?), I test drove a RAV4 with the V6 engine. That sucker would haul a__! But talk about torque steer, you better have both hands on the steering wheel when you mash the go pedal.

driver100

henryn said:

driver100 said:

I read a review for the 2015 RAV4. The reviewer said what we all say, the RAV4 is competent and well made, just not fun to drive. He said he would want a vehicle that wasn't so boring to drive, and he would choose an Escape, Cherokee, or Mazda C5. At least there are engine choices, and these models have a fun element to driving them.

A few years ago (3? 4?), I test drove a RAV4 with the V6 engine. That sucker would haul a__! But talk about torque steer, you better have both hands on the steering wheel when you mash the go pedal.

They said the RAV4 was a good car in every way, power, pulling power, hauling ability, reliability, nicely finished interior....they just don't know why Toyota can't make a car that has some element of fun to the driving experience.

It seems they just don't care, and since they sell so many cars, I guess most people don't care.
Most people just want to get from A to B as efficiently as possible. At least they are making the Lexus more of a driver's car.

jayrider

I have a theory about some of these people with questionable business ethics. If they put as much energy into trying to increase their business as they do trying to rip people off they might be successful.

But for some people, money from ripping off folks is twice as sweet as

explorerx4

Someone at work that I work with had a RAV4. They got hit in the rear bumper. It didn't look too bad, but the repair bill was over 5k. This year, when it was time to replace it, they bought a Kia.

snakeweasel

explorerx4 said:

Someone at work that I work with had a RAV4. They got hit in the rear bumper. It didn't look too bad, but the repair bill was over 5k. This year, when it was time to replace it, they bought a Kia.

Maybe 12 years ago (maybe more) I got rear ended at a low speed (we were both ststopped at a light making a right turn on a red light and he wasn't watching me and gunned it thinking I made a turn). Anyway the damage was slight, only thing you could see is a crease in the bumper where it bent and popped right back into place. 

It cost over a grand to repair. 

driver100

jayrider said:

I have a theory about some of these people with questionable business ethics. If they put as much energy into trying to increase their business as they do trying to rip people off they might be successful.

But for some people, money from ripping off folks is twice as sweet as

Interesting. Do you really think there are people who get more of a thrill from ripping someone off than they do from making money honestly? I suppose it is possible, as I have experienced people who think business is all about ripping someone off. They think if they can make someone else lose, then they gain.

abacomike

@driver100 said:

"Do you really think there are people who get more of a thrill from ripping someone off than they do from making money honestly?"

Driver, there are all kinds of people in this world who do things we would never do.  That includes a preference for bilking people out of their money to make a buck rather than honesty "earning" that buck.

Most of us (people like you and me) were brought up to earn money rather than steal money.  If given a choice between earning my living or deceiving others to earn money, I would choose to earn it honestly. There is a matter of self-esteem involved in "earning an honest living."

fezo

That's always been a mystery to me. There are always loads of really intelligent guys who just don't want to play by the rules. They get some kind of thrill of running outside the law. These are people who could probably make good money honestly but choose not to.

jayrider

driver100 said:

jayrider said:

I have a theory about some of these people with questionable business ethics. If they put as much energy into trying to increase their business as they do trying to rip people off they might be successful.

But for some people, money from ripping off folks is twice as sweet as money earned.

Interesting. Do you really think there are people who get more of a thrill from ripping someone off than they do from making money honestly? I suppose it is possible, as I have experienced people who think business is all about ripping someone off. They think if they can make someone else lose, then they gain.



Absolutely. Prisons are full of folks like that.The other 90% of these criminals are free and grow wealthy from their avocation. Defrauding the elderly/poor is a multi-billion dollar activity -- it's huge and getting bigger. To these scum bags, everyone they destroy deserves it for being sub human suckers. Thousands of decent people lose everything they have to these vermin every single day and rarely face justice of any kind. Be careful out there. They almost got my late mother.

driver100

abacomike said:

@driver100 said:

"Do you really think there are people who get more of a thrill from ripping someone off than they do from making money honestly?"

Driver, there are all kinds of people in this world who do things we would never do.  That includes a preference for bilking people out of their money to make a buck rather than honesty "earning" that buck.

Most of us (people like you and me) were brought up to earn money rather than steal money.  If given a choice between earning my living or deceiving others to earn money, I would choose to earn it honestly. There is a matter of self-esteem involved in "earning an honest living."

Thanks Mike, Fezo and Jayrider....I just wanted to confirm what I was thinking....thanks for your comments. About 4 years ago we had an employee who was caught stealing money from a cash register. It was a shock to me, since she had a pretty good job with us, and she probably would never find a job that would be as interesting to her, and wouldn't pay her as well.

She was on cash about 5 times before we had a detrective video her taking about $500 to $800 times during these 5 sales Now she is flipping burgers. Now another one was caught doing the same, but only $180. This one I thought was really honest.

2 people that I kind of trusted stole money. I blame my SIL a bit because you have to have a way to monitor for that, and he is absent most of the time. I think he made it too tempting for these people to try it. I am not saying it was right...these employees were in the wrong, but you need a system so they know the money has to be accounted for.

It did make me think, what percentage of people would take money from their employer, if they were pretty sure they could get away with it. Out of about 10 people who could be on cash, we have caught 2...but that is caught. Just a guess, but, I think it could be about 1/3 of the population.

Jayrider, yes, there are people who make a living from taking advantage of vulnerable older people. What a way to get through life!

btw....Mike, you seem better today...how are you doing?

abacomike

@driver100 said:

"btw....Mike, you seem better today...how are you doing?"

Well, if I can manage to pass water without the need for a catheter, I can go home tomorrow afternoon.  If not, they will have to send me to a step down care facility until I can manage by myself.

Will let everyone know more info after I get home.

Thanks for asking.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Thanks Mike, Fezo and Jayrider....I just wanted to confirm what I was thinking....thanks for your comments. About 4 years ago we had an employee who was caught stealing money from a cash register. It was a shock to me, since she had a pretty good job with us, and she probably would never find a job that would be as interesting to her, and wouldn't pay her as well.

She was on cash about 5 times before we had a detrective video her taking about $500 to $800 times during these 5 sales Now she is flipping burgers. Now another one was caught doing the same, but only $180. This one I thought was really honest.

2 people that I kind of trusted stole money. I blame my SIL a bit because you have to have a way to monitor for that, and he is absent most of the time. I think he made it too tempting for these people to try it. I am not saying it was right...these employees were in the wrong, but you need a system so they know the money has to be accounted for.

It did make me think, what percentage of people would take money from their employer, if they were pretty sure they could get away with it. Out of about 10 people who could be on cash, we have caught 2...but that is caught. Just a guess, but, I think it could be about 1/3 of the population.

Jayrider, yes, there are people who make a living from taking advantage of vulnerable older people. What a way to get through life!

btw....Mike, you seem better today...how are you doing?

My sisters practice caught a nurse stealing, one she trusted deeply. I told my sister to put the value of what she stole on her W2.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Thanks Mike, Fezo and Jayrider....I just wanted to confirm what I was thinking....thanks for your comments. About 4 years ago we had an employee who was caught stealing money from a cash register. It was a shock to me, since she had a pretty good job with us, and she probably would never find a job that would be as interesting to her, and wouldn't pay her as well.

She was on cash about 5 times before we had a detrective video her taking about $500 to $800 times during these 5 sales Now she is flipping burgers. Now another one was caught doing the same, but only $180. This one I thought was really honest.

2 people that I kind of trusted stole money. I blame my SIL a bit because you have to have a way to monitor for that, and he is absent most of the time. I think he made it too tempting for these people to try it. I am not saying it was right...these employees were in the wrong, but you need a system so they know the money has to be accounted for.

It did make me think, what percentage of people would take money from their employer, if they were pretty sure they could get away with it. Out of about 10 people who could be on cash, we have caught 2...but that is caught. Just a guess, but, I think it could be about 1/3 of the population.

Jayrider, yes, there are people who make a living from taking advantage of vulnerable older people. What a way to get through life!

btw....Mike, you seem better today...how are you doing?

My sisters practice caught a nurse stealing, one she trusted deeply. I told my sister to put the value of what she stole on her W2.

The IRS is now prosecuting people for tax evasion when they are caught stealing but don't declare it on their taxes. Not just Al Capone.

oldfarmer50

Driver wanted more crazy car ads:

Here ya' go.

http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/4722747480.html

You folks near Chicago will recognize where this "Albany NY" seller had his car serviced.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Driver wanted more crazy car ads:

Here ya' go.

http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/4722747480.html

You folks near Chicago will recognize where this "Albany NY" seller had his car serviced.

That one must have been too good oldfarmer, when I checked I got:
"This posting has been flagged for removal".
(The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)

Find us another one!

driver100

The IRS is now prosecuting people for tax evasion when they are caught stealing but don't declare it on their taxes. Not just Al Capone.

IRS doesn't care how you obtain your money....just have to make sure you claim it on your taxes.

OK, Snake, what line on the tax form do you insert income from illegal sources?

robr2

driver100 said:

IRS doesn't care how you obtain your money....just have to make sure you claim it on your taxes.

OK, Snake, what line on the tax form do you insert income from illegal sources?

Form 1040 Line 21 (other income) or schedule C - just like money earned from self employment.

imidazol97

For those still fighting the Camaro vs. Mustang battles, here's a definitive (grin) answer from MT.

", the performance pack-equipped 2015 Ford Mustang GT is deemed the superior car to sit in, but both yield that the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE is still a tighter, more agile driving experience. The results of the two cars’ respective hot laps seems to back this up."

So if you just want to sit in the car and look good, buy a Mustang? Is that what they're saying? And if you want to drive the heck out of one buy a Camaro. Actually I'm amused by the article. Because it says it's actually NOT a comparison of the two cars but of the specific packages on the ones which they tested. In other words, for the rest of us, we have no information from them about which is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTJPDurLEKw

driver100

robr2 said:

driver100 said:

IRS doesn't care how you obtain your money....just have to make sure you claim it on your taxes.

OK, Snake, what line on the tax form do you insert income from illegal sources?

Form 1040 Line 21 (other income) or schedule C - just like money earned from self employment.

Thanks rob. I am not allowed to actually have an income from the U.S. (have to file an 8840 tax form these days stating that), however, if I do happen to receive some money through dubious methods I'll file a 1040 and include the amount on line 21.

Is that also where the world's oldest profession would state his/her income as well? Just curious!

driver100

imidazol97 said:

For those still fighting the Camaro vs. Mustang battles, here's a definitive (grin) answer from MT.

", the performance pack-equipped 2015 Ford Mustang GT is deemed the superior car to sit in, but both yield that the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE is still a tighter, more agile driving experience. The results of the two cars’ respective hot laps seems to back this up."

So if you just want to sit in the car and look good, buy a Mustang? Is that what they're saying? And if you want to drive the heck out of one buy a Camaro. Actually I'm amused by the article. Because it says it's actually NOT a comparison of the two cars but of the specific packages on the ones which they tested. In other words, for the rest of us, we have no information from them about which is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTJPDurLEKw

Very interesting comparison. I like the interior on the Mustang much better, especially the red with black trim. The Camaro looks inexpensive with black, and the reviewer even said it was pretty basic. Vision not as good and not as much comfort in the Camaro.

However, for the race track or if you drive at full throttle it sounds like the Camaro is the winner. I wonder how many people really need the extra performance the Camaro has and would choose it over the comfort and more thought out interior of the Mustang. I just wonder who needs that much performance...unless you take your car to the track on a regular basis.

One other thing, a question for oldfarmer. I was watching the review and I was thinking owning one of those cars would be a blast. Then, I thought, what will those cars be like driving them in the winter, and even worse....I thought, what would it be like getting in and out of them?

My back is aching just thinking about that.