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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues



  • dash400mdash400m Posts: 55
    You know, I'm wondering why I didn't consider the X-One as a replacement for the MXV4. I have X-One's on both Civics (85&89/P175-70R13), and their handling and drive is excellent (especially on the '85). These are all-season tires, and I believe they're good for at least 65K.

    I personally like the MXV4 for the Accord, based on the smooth ride for highway driving. These tires were recommended, and I didn't even question or consider the X-One. Oh well, maybe next time...
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    According to the Michelin dealership where I buy my tires, they emphatically state that the X-Ones are the best tires manufactured. They constantly state to all customers, if you want the best Michelin tire, buy the X-Ones. They have the best warranty in the industry and they will give you 80K miles if properly rotated.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    I have noticed another V-6 transmission problem being posted regarding a 2001 Accord. Thought this problem was resolved through the supplier? It seems to me that the problem has never been corrected.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    I have read numerous posts from Honda V-6 owners regarding transmission problems regarding their Accords. It seems that it spans from 1998-present.
    This clearly defines that this definitely was not an isolated problem and confirms that it is an on going problem to date.
  • bburton1bburton1 Posts: 395
    Replaced Michelin MXV4 energy yada yada with X-One's at 73K on 97 Accord LX. Now I would not run on MXV4's if they were free. The X-One has vastly better wet and snow traction and no more squealing on hard corners. They MXV4's were particularly evil at breaking loose on wet entrance ramps. That kind of thrill I do not need.

    Now have 43K on the X-One's and expect to replace them at about 60 or 70K.
  • mdamesmdames Posts: 79
    If you'll take careful notice of ALL of the posts regarding 2001 V6 transmission "clunk" problems, you see that they are not describing the original problem which affected only a small number of 2000 Accords. This has become something of an urban legend. People hear about a noise and then they start hearing normal noises from a car and they're convinced that they have "the problem." I have yet to hear of a recent transmission problem from a V6 that is anything more than the normal sound of a transmission being put into reverse.
  • stevepakestevepake Posts: 21
    The Accord V6's engine was specifically designed to be able to run on 86+ octane fuel, so it does not need, nor will it take advantage of anything higher than 86 octane fuel.

    Higher compression engines require higher levels of octane in the fuel to prevent pre-detonation, or pinging. The Accord V6 runs a lower compression ratio and hence does not need, nor will it take advantage of higher octane fuels.

    Being able to run on 87 octane fuel is a MAJOR BENEFIT of buying an Accord V6, because the Maxima, Camry V6, and Passat V6 (Accord V6's primary competition) all require premium fuel snice they run higher compression ratios. Premium fuel costs $0.20-0.30 more per gallon, so operational costs are much higher with these other cars.

    Honda's hi-tech engine designs with technologies such as VTEC and superior engineering allows their 3.0L V6 to make just as much horsepower as the competition without going to a higher compression ratio design that would require more expensive premium fuel, so enjoy the fact that you own the ONLY import V6 that can sip on nice cheap 87 octane fuel without a problem :-D
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    I have read at the NHSTA listing that the clunk seems to be occurring in only the 6th generation V-6 model Accord. If it is a so-called "supplier problem", it hasn't been corrected.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    Go to the Honda Accord Problems Part 2 at Edmunds and read about the V-6 infamous clunk. When will Honda correct this problem?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    You two...It was solved a LONG time ago and you both know it!
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    I suggest you go to Honda Accord Problems Part II and read all the posts regarding the transmission clunk. It has not been solved and it is an ongoing problem in the V-6 Accords that began in 1998 and still persists to this day. If it was corrected why do Honda owners still post this problem? It is a quality assurance problem that has not been corrected and that is why V-6 owners are posting the problem. Wake up will you! It is obvious that you do not want to admit Honda has a serious flaw in their V-6 transmissions.
  • I would take whatever isellhondas says lightly as he is a "mark" for Honda. It is quite obvious he only reads what is positive about the Accord V-6 since he SELLS HONDAS! Show me one salesman on earth that doesn't exaggerates the merits of the product that he sells! Isellhondas gets paid to sell Hondas so what do you expect from someone that is completely partial to the product line that he sells. I have read the Honda Accord Problems Part II here at Edmunds and it is beyond me that isellhondas doesn't comprehend what consumers are posting.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    He just doesn't want to believe what he reads. Anything he ever posts is always agressive in nature defending at all costs Honda's reputation.
    Just don't pay any attention to his comments.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    I shall temper my response.

    The original problem involved some 99-2000 V-6 Accords and Odysseys. A small percentage of the production were affected because a supplier decided to change the specs of a part without consulting Honda.

    The affected cars would produce a loud "clunk" while backing up. THAT was the problem.

    Now..some posters have talked about noises, that happen while putting the car into gear, shifting etc. It's unlikely (although possible) that this is a *problem*. All transmissions make different noises. When pulling a car out of park while on an incline, for example can produce a clunk.

    A couple of anti-honda people here just love feeding the fire about "ongoing" problems.

    When people read of problems, it's natural to pay closer attention to their own car out of concern that they too may have some terrible problem.

    Their local dealer can quickly determine what is normal and what is not.

    Having said all of this, no car is perfect. It's entirely possible that troubles will pop up with ANY car.

    And, YES, I do sell Hondas. I also have zero motivation to come here to tell lies or make light of real problems.

    It must drive the Honda bashers nuts when happy owners come here with tales of their 200,000 mile trouble free Hondas.

    Sorry to disappoint you guys but the sky is not falling!
  • silvercoupesilvercoupe Posts: 326
    Do any of you own an Accord V-6? Just curious.

    If you don't, then please don't be so critical of Honda's transmission or Isell. I think that first hand experience is much more important than he-said-she-said.

    Isell actually contributes more to these discussions than most of you do.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Like he said, although he sells them, he's got zero motivation to be here for the purposes of self interest. There are those here who fan the flames, I think, for no discernible reason.

    -Dave, trouble-free '94 Accord, now at 109,000 miles.
  • dkrabdkrab Posts: 77
    He's right on the money with this one. I have read all the posts, and it's obvious that the original problem manifested itself as a definite clunk that occurred about 10 or 15 feet after the car started moving backwards. All the posts from owners of newer V6 Accords and Odysseys that say they hear a clunk indicate the noise occurs when the car is put into reverse but before it starts to move. This is not nearly as serious. It could be a bit of driveline play, which is perfectly normal. At worst it is the rear hydraulic motor mount not performing quite as it should. Seems some of the complaints indicate it occurs the first time the put the car in reverse, and not again until the engine is killed and restarted.

    I have a 98 lx 5speed. Not perfect, but it's a great car. My sister has a 1999 Odyssey EX, which happens to fall into the models that had suspect trannys. She has not been back to the dealer for any warranty claim whatsoever. No clunk, and no problems with the power sliding doors, although they aren't as intuitive to operate as they could be.
  • markz2kmarkz2k Posts: 112
    I've got a 2000 EXV6 that I bought in June, 2000. I had been reading here on TownHall about the Accord (and a couple other models) to research what to buy. There were a few complaints about the clunk, but by then it had been solved. People who bought accords made after around February didn't have any complaints. I wasn't too worried. When I went to the Honda dealer, I mentioned the reports here, and said I would want an extended test-drive (by myself) before I purchased. He let me take out a demo that day for several hours. I backed up for hundreds of feet with no clunk. Put about 100 miles on it that day, no problems at all. I didn't buy that day because they didn't have the color I wanted, but one was due in about a week.

    A week later, I took the car I would actually buy on another extended test-drive. No clunks/no problems. 13 months & 8000 miles later still no problems. (Except the moonroof rattle which I had fixed.)

    So, try to always take an extended test-drive in the actual vehicle you're going to buy, and check it carefully for any problems, and have them fixed before you sign anything.
  • stevepakestevepake Posts: 21
    I have a 2001 Accord V6 that I purchased in Jan 2001. I have NO tranny problems whatsoever.

    I'm also a moderator on's Accord V6 forum and none of our members have reported any tranny problems on the new models either.

    I think isellhondas is right and that whatever problems were REAL were cleared up a LONG time ago and that anything happening now is just PARANOIA when people post about weird clunks that are NORMAL noises an auto tranny will make.

    Trust me, if there were any REAL problems on the 2001 Accord V6 transmissions then I would have heard about them on the Accord V6 forum that I look after, but I have not.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    I guess that the continuing posts listed in Honda Accord Problems Part 2 regarding transmissions isn't from happy V-6 owners. I have personally read problems in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001 Accord V-6's with automatic transmissions.

    This topic was started in post #1 questioning the quality control of new Honda Accords. It seems that the generation 6 Accord doesn't have the same quality standards of previous generations.
    One of the quality problems that has been posted numerous times has been the transmission problem in Accord V-6's.

    Let's face it, Honda's quality has slipped since 1998 as they are "cutting back" on their once rigid standards. They are building and selling a lot more cars and when this happens, something has to give quality assurance wise.
  • jims55jims55 Posts: 9
    I have a 2k EX V6 bought new in Aug. 2000. I now have 12500 miles on it with no problems from day one. I see all the posts on V6 trans problems but, I have seen very few posts from people who have had the trans replaced. From my own experience, I believe most of the so called trans problems are normal. I support Isellhonds and value his input here.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    The internet is a wealth of information AND mis-information. I'll never forget the day I made an [non-permissible content removed] out of myself with my Isuzu Amigo that had moaning noise in the brakes when going in reverse. I found a few articles stating that the pads were on backward. When I showed one of these articles to the mechanic, he laughed me right out of his shop saying there was only one way to put these on.

    As I've stated before when this forum started, only Honda knows the true reliability numbers of every part it puts in it's cars. For my money, Honda is still one of the best values out there.

    My son has a Ford truck, sheesh, you should see the number of forums I've seen complaining of Ford quality.
  • briken9briken9 Posts: 8
    I have a 2001 EX V6 and have not experienced any clunking or abnormal noise when driving in reverse. I have, however, noticed that when I shift from any gear into Park, that SOMETIMES there is a clunking noise that just does not sound right. It feels like the shifter is dropping into gear rather that slipping into gear - if that makes sense. When I shift very slowly, there is no clunking noise. Is this the clunking noise people are ranting about?
  • jims55jims55 Posts: 9
    That's probably one of the noises complained about which in my opinion is normal.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    For awhile, I felt like I was surrounded by a gang of bullies!

    I just try to tell things as I see them and do appreciate the support.

  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    This site is for quality assurance issues regarding Honda Accords that consumers have encountered after purchasing an Accord. Many of the problems regarding Honda's quality control regarding the generation V-6 Accord have been posted here to help other consumers with similar problems.

    As far as me personally being a bully isellhondas, you are grossly mistaken. You point of view is appreciated to some degree but your denial of problems regarding Honda Accords is almost laughable at times. A case in point is the fuel sending unit problem regarding Accords. You mentioned that your dealership's service department has only seen two defective units. Come on, most see two or more defective units a day.

    Your opinions are appreciated but the constant denial regarding quality assurance issues regarding Accords is crossing the line of reason.
  • silvercoupesilvercoupe Posts: 326
    I have the following Accords:

    1991 with 151k miles
    1997 with 75k miles
    2000 with 19k miles

    Have never had a fuel sending unit problem.

    Never even heard about it until this forum.

    Honda makes an excellent car for the money, IMHO.

    I just don't see the quality drop that people are talking about after 1998. My 2000 appears just as well built as the 1997, maybe better.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    I suggest everyone read Honda Accord Problems Part II and note the fuel sending unit problems as well as the V-6 Transmission problems posted.

    I guess the 6th generation Accords just seem to have more problems than previous generations. Honda has taken steps to cut corners on their once high standards.

    Just look at the Honda Accord LX 5th generation exhaust and muffler and compare it to a Honda Accord LX 6th generation's exhaust system. You will see what I mean by cutting corners. Enough said.

    Silvercoupe--regarding your gas gauge/fuel sending unit, you are definitely one of the lucky ones.

    isellhondas--I don't agree with you on 90% of your replies. Consider yourself lucky I agree with you 10% of the time.
  • dkrabdkrab Posts: 77
    Isell does sometimes have an optimists viewpoint, but he's rational. Lugwrench, on the other hand, rarely posts a positive note. I guess that makes it balanced.

    I have had 94, 96 and 98 Accords, and my sis has a 2000 Ody. Other sis has a 96 Accord, and nephew has a 94. Dad has a 94 Civic. Not one has had fuel gauge accuracy problems. Not to say it isn't a legitimate issue, it's just not quite as prevalent as some may have us believe. Like Isell stated, the sky is not falling. Honda makes a very good product for the money. In my experience, quality has been better with my later models. I had the most nagging problems with the 94. I would deduce that quality hasn't really gotten better or worse, overall.
  • I have religiously serviced my car at one of the busiest dealerships in the Toronto area. I speak with the Service Techs and Managers all the time. I get their thoughts on variety of topics relating to Honda. Two common responses from these surprisingly candid individuals is as follows:

    (1) Honda's quality has truly slipped in the last 5 or 6 years. Building them in North America, brings North American build quality problems a la GM, FORD, and CHRYSLER.

    (2) Don't ever buy an Accord V6 Automatic because there is a serious design flaw with the Automatic. They must get over 50-60 service calls a week relating to this model. They tell me the Prelude and the CR-V are well-built cars (for your info- both made in Japan).

    Sorry, Isellhondas, I trust and appreciate the comments from people who actually work on the cars and have no pecuniary interest. I think most people would agree that they have more credibility.
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