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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    It's unfortunate that you had that many problems.

    My 99 EX V6 Coupe has been pretty much flawless.

    Although none of the problems you listed amount to much, they are, nevertheless an annoyance to deal with.

    I still contend though that a 14 MM nut on a rubber exhaust hanger is NO BIG DEAL and will hurt nothing.

    I guess I have to wonder what you replaced your Honda with. Hopefully you won't have any problems.
  • bruinhornbruinhorn Posts: 11
    isellhondas...regarding the Toyota smudging problem, even though I agree with you, I still feel that there is something wrong here. Why is Toyota being singled out with smudging problems if all cars have the same issues with maintenance regarding oil changes. I don't, for one minute believe that only Toyota owners are not properly maintaining their cars, as has been suggested by many on the Toyota board defending Toyota. Yet most of the post regarding smudging are from Toyota owners which has been acknowledged (in a round about way) by Toyota in their manuals. I would guess most Toyota owners have owned other makes of vehicle also and they would treat all their other vehicles in the same neglected fashion as their Toyotas. However, I do not see many owner of on-Toyota makes complaining about their smudging problem and the cost associated to fix them.

    Overall, I am very happy with my '99 Carry EL V6 although I've had to replace an EAR valve around 35k miles under warranty. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope I don't have the smudging problems because I follow the maintenance manuals for oil change intervals (75k) and I don't do it at the dealers. I don't buy the theory that following the Toyota maintenance schedule and using non-Toyota products for oil change is the cause for sludging. I follow the same procedure for all my other cars and if my Camry starts to have sludging problems then I would expect all my other car to have it also. I believe this Toyota sludging problem is very similar to the Ford/Firestone fiasco.

    Even though I am a Honda fan long before I bought my Camry, I have to say that the Camry is a much smoother and quieter car than the Accords. The jerky or hard shifting transmission and the excessive wind noise would really be more than ample ammunition for me to bash Honda if I was a Toyota fanatic. But as you can tell I am a Honda believer and stand by them unless they prove me wrong.

    dc_sports...sorry if I offended you. My perception, in viewing the Toyota and Honda problem boards were that the same folks that were emphatically demeaning Honda quality did not say anything negative about Toyota quality although there were many quality problems associated with Toyota products. Again strictly my preception and did not mean to offend anyone.
  • bruinhornbruinhorn Posts: 11
    about the typo's.
    Meant to type "sludging" not "smudging".
  • billiam70billiam70 Posts: 54
    Has anyone notice a rippling in their windshield? I have a 2001 EX Coupe and some spots in the windshield ripple so much that it distorts what I'm looking at. I know this can happen towards the ends of the windshield as it curves to fit the car, but mine is doing this all the way through. Sometimes it really hurts my eyes to look through that part of the window. I wanted to see if anyone else has this problem before I have the dealer look at it.
  • dc18dc18 Posts: 6
    I have a 2000 LX Accord. I too have distortion in the windshield on the passenger side.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    Many of the people here have repeated the same problems with their respective Accords. It seems that Honda does have a supplier problem in a few select areas. Now you can add the optically distorted windshield to the list.

    It would be nice if Honda had the opportunity to read this board about what customers are saying about the Accord. I wish I would have bought my Accord at isellhondas dealership. It seems that their service department there only has isolated problems or none at all. Gee, I guess all the service technicians there are doing oil changes and routine maintenance on all the cars there!
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    I wonder what plans Honda has for the new 7th generation Accord? Please don't tell me they are going to use McPhearson struts on the new Accord!
    From "wishbone suspensions" to McPhearson struts would save Honda a lot of money. They did it on the 2001 Civic so let's hope they don't do it on the new Accord!
  • adg44adg44 Posts: 385
    But I wasn't really keeping up with this forum once I sold my Accord Coupe. POS! They are slipping for sure. I also think it has to do with where it was manufactured. My car got moisture in the headlights, major paint problems (pores in clear, waterspots, streaks, swirls), rattles like no other, front brakes, my drivers seat would move, the door panels rattles, two speakers were blown, the "H" fell out of the engine compartment, there werehuge gaps between the quarter panel and the bumper, the weather stripping around the windshield was falling off, and I could go on for a long time. Some people might not consider these major problems, but on a brand new car it shoudln't happen. I got my 2001 VW GTI VR6 and ever since I first sat in that car, the quality of VWs over Honda's was very easy to tell. Honda uses cheap plastics and they need to get their act together. I had the car for 5.5 months, 6900 miles, and that was the first and last Honda that I will ever own.

    - Anthony
  • pklaspklas Posts: 20
    Do you realize the VW Jetta is assembled in Mexico? If I had a choice, I rather have my car built in the U.S. over Mexico (Corona is very cheap over there)

    Go over to the VW forum and see what kind of problems are experienced by new Jetta owners.

    VW is definitely the wrong car manufacturer to compare with the Accord. Toyota, Mazda, and Nissan I would understand.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    You are on ignore, remember?
  • bim1bim1 Posts: 5
    Hi all,

    Since I own a 1996 Accord EX with 5 speed, I was following this topic with interest. What caught my eyes is the balance shaft seal problem. My Accord has 80,000 miles and it is due for timing belt/water pump replacement. Once the cover is off, I would like to apply this fix too. Does 1996 have the problem?

    The problems I have had with my Accord? The infamous exhaust buzz problem at 1,800 RPM. Honda fixed it free of charge at 40,000 miles after a few days of negotiation. Brakes warping after about 30,000 miles. But then again, I had same brake warping problem with Toyota and domestic as well. Other than these, the car has been very solid. Will I buy another Accord? Probably not. It is an excellent transportation tool. But not much fun driving it. I want some fun now. It is a very solid dependable tool. A very good one. But I do not fall in love with tools. Who knows? If the fun causes too many troubles, then I might come back to Honda.

    Thanks,
    Ben
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    When I had my '94 in for the timing belt/water pump routine, the dealer did the balance shaft seal retainer without my asking, and of course at no charge. No doubt since there's a recall out on this, your dealer will do it, as well.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    This forum was created to discuss Honda Accord quality control issues. It is not a forum where you tend to dispute anything that is posted and contend that your opinion is correct. People would like to compare similar problems and find out how they are fixed. We don't need a Honda salesman telling us that there is nothing wrong with our Accords. Especially you! You made me laugh out loud regarding the fuel sending unit post where you contend that your service department only had a couple of repairs of that nature. Come on, give me a break and quit insulting our intelligence. Read an interesting post in the Accord Problems Part II postings where one person stated "That All Salesman Lie" when it comes to selling a car. Sure this is a broad statement but it is something to think about regarding your posts. Your opinions are welcome but your condasending nature isn't.
  • Why is it that Honda only offers a 3yr/36K powertrain warranty on the Accord? Toyota's is 5yr/60K on the powertrain. Is Honda telling us something what to expect after 3 years?

    I am tired of reading isellhondas posts also. Personally, I feel he is a gadfly regarding these various boards. Noticed he is chiming in with comments all over the place.

    I think everyone should take his posts with a grain of salt. He loves attacking comments but never offers anything of the positive nature.

    Just Ignore him and maybe he will go away.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    I'm happy to share my thoughts and opinions. when the Honda bashers get out of control I feel the need to comment.

    As far as positive comments, I think you are the one with all of the negative input.

    As far as the warranty gos, that's a marketing decision. Hopefully you will agree that a longer warranty does not automatically mean a better product.

    Personally, I wish Honda would match Toyota's warranty even if it meant raising the prices a bit. It tends to make people feel better.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    I think that if you knew me you would find me to be a pretty straightforward type of guy.

    And, I have to admit that sarcasm doesn't bide very well with me.

    I don't mind an open discussion or friendly debate.

    I'm surprised that you don't just come right out and call me what I know you think I am...A Liar.

    I read these forums with great interest. I like to know what my customers are reading. I do NOT come here to promote myself or promote sales.

    When I hear of problems that I've never heard mentioned in our store, I'm surprised and will say so.

    Now, rattles in 2001 Civic dashboards, screwed up radio codes, yep! you bet!

    But, fuel tank sending unit problems? That's a new one on me. since I was surprised at the number of comments here, I asked one of our Service Advisors. Like I said, he said that he had been aware of "just a few"...his words, but was surprised that it was any kind of an issue.

    Now, I didn't comment on the distorted windshield posts, but...again, this is the first place I've heard this. a horrible, widespread problem? perhaps, but a new one on me.

    But, anselmo, I know you don't believe any of this.

    Hopefully someday, someone will be able to produce a perfect car!
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    That was the most sincere post I have read from you. I will have to compliment you on your straight forward approach. Please remember this is not a Honda bashers forum but a place where customers can exchange ideas, problems and corrective measures regarding their Accords.

    The fuel sending units have been a problem for seven years. It has to be supplier related. The "wind Whistle" which I have never commented on has also been around for the same number of years. The balancer shaft seal problem on the Accords has been corrected with a simple $5.00 clip. Up until early 2001, this was a very serious problem which could have caused permanent engine damage.

    I suggest you read more of these posts and you will see what the customers are experiencing. Like I have said numerous times, this is a place where problems, ideas and corrective measures are discussed.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Hell, I learn a lot sometimes.

    What annoys me is when a problem is magnified beyond reality. For example, the "ongoing" V-6 transmission problems were isolated and solved a long time ago. The problem is not ongoing.

    I also realize that this forum is a meeting spot for those who actually HAVE the problems.

    Most owners, like myself would probably read these posts and say...huh? what? I've never had a problem.

    On one hand, yes, I probably get a bit defensive when the product I sell is being dissed. On the other hand, misery does like company and I have to wonder, as an example, how many Accord owners went outside to inspect their windshields to see if they were distorted.

    I'll admit it...I took a close look at mine as I drove to work this morning.

    And...you guessed it, it wasn't distorted at least that I could tell.

    Peace
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,487
    Hyundai and Kia offer 10 year/100,000 mile warranties on their cars. Does that make them better than Toyotas, with their 5/60 or Honda, with their 3/36?
  • Hyundai and Kai had real reliability problems and their sales exemplified that fact. They figured give them 10years/100,000 power train warranty and maybe they would increase their sales in the US/Canada. Hyundai actually has improved their cars dramatically to the point that even Consumer Reports has reported favorable reviews of their product line in 2001.

    Kai is just desperate for sales to make their dealership network happy.
  • dash400mdash400m Posts: 55
    What exactly is the exhaust buzz problem? My brother's '96 Accord has this problem, but he's been unable to resolve it through his local Honda dealer. The noise sounds similar to an out-of-resonant organ! Sorry, the "B" pipe doesn't sound as good as Booker "T" & the M.G.'s!

    Thanks in advance for any specifics.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    There is a special gasket kit that they fit between the B pipe and cat/converter. Honda service has a technical service bulletin on the subject. Just ask for the "Buzz Kit" and that will eliminate the "raking sound" at 1800 rpms. It would have been covered under the 3/Yr-36K mile warranty by Honda. Your 1996 is out of warranty so it will run you around $75.00 plus installation. You might be able to buy the kit a lot cheaper from one of the Honda parts dealers on the internet such as Manchester Honda.

    The kit will cure the problem.
  • dash400mdash400m Posts: 55
    Thanks much -- I really appreciate the reference. Maybe my brother will kindly remind the Honda folks in his area that there is a TSB out on this issue! I must have missed the TSB, because I checked out alldata.com a couple of months ago for any references. Then again, Honda had requested earlier that alldata.com not post in notices [?].

    Thanks again...
  • As of a few years ago, the paint quality has gone down on all cars produced in the US. Thanks to the EPA. They outlawed all of the stabilizers used in paints. The new stabilizers, just like the new R-134, is not nearly as good and causes paints to chip and flake easily. This is not only Honda's problem.
  • dash400mdash400m Posts: 55
    Thanks much -- I really appreciate the reference. Maybe my brother will kindly remind the Honda folks in his area that there is a TSB out on this issue! I must have missed the TSB, because I checked out alldata.com a couple of months ago for any references. Then again, Honda had requested earlier that alldata.com not post in notices [?].

    Thanks again...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    To give you an idea, my impression of an "ongoing problem" with a car would be something like say an 8%-10% failure rate of a particular part in any given year of car. That would indicate an enormous defect from the supplier or manufacturer in my opinion, and a warranty nightmare for the automaker. But still, that means that 9 of 10 owners will not experience the problem.
  • fritz1224fritz1224 Posts: 398
    I don't have the windshield distortion mentioned here, but I do have what appears to be water spots on it which won't come off no matter how much rubbing I do. It's like they're in the glass, not on the surface. I know the windshield is laminated to keep it from shattering, so I'm thinking it has something to do with that.
    I finally found a product that actually gets the windows and windshields clean without streaking. Windex just didn't cut it, streaks and smudges like crazy.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Well, to me "ongoing" means exactly that.

    If the 96-97 models had a problem that was solved by 1998, the problem is no longer ongoing.

    And I would agree. If 10% of the production is affected the problem is, indeed, a major one.
  • eeeleeel Posts: 57
    a guy at work went on and on about his honda and how bad us cars are - after awhile i told him he was a little off base - when i told him i drove an 88 intrepid he really went off on us cars - said he'd prove to everyone in the office just how bad us cars are - so he went to the nhtsa site to show us the complaints on the 98 accord, taurus and intrepid. accord had 4 times as many complaints as the intrepid (the greatest percentage of serious problems were the hondas - trannys, fuel problems, axle/steering loss of control problems).

    suffice to say i had quite a laugh - went to lunch in his 98 accord - ac needs work - his tranny is going up, rotors too. makes you wonder.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    I didn't think they made Intrepids until 1993?

    BTW we bought an Intrepid, brand new in 1995. Don't EVEN get me started...
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