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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues

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  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    One more note on this subject. Only Honda with it's huge parts database of all models and years can come up with accurate quality numbers. Those of us who rely on our own experiences and sharing information with others may get a different perception of Honda quality than what is actually real. Those of you that are on your second Accord and are experiencing more problems than your first Accord will feel Honda quality is slipping. Also remember, the internet wasn't around 5 years ago the way it is now so there wasn't information sharing like we have with this forum. The internet contains a wealth of information, and also mis-information, so be careful.

    You folks have been great, keep sharing your experiences and ideas.
  • gonzo1124gonzo1124 Posts: 27
    I have had 6 Honda's in the last 20-years. Civics Accords and Preludes. My experience has been this...NOT A SINGLE PROBLEM!!! All I have done is change the oil/filter, batteries, and after some miles on them, brakes tires and timing belts. (I wish I could say the same thing about other cars I owned during this period also). 20 years of not problems...yes I think I'll buy another one.
    Gonzo
  • dkrabdkrab Posts: 77
    I have owned a 94 dx, 96 lx, and I still own a 98 LX, all with 4cyl, 5sp., all built in Ohio. I will list the problems encountered and let the readers draw their own conclusions:

    94DX:
    Misaligned drivers door (dealer said it was close enough, I fixed it myself)
    Noisy power steering at low speeds (characteristic of the car, not a reliability issue)
    Creaking air intake box (fixed under TSB)
    Clutch judder upon engagement when cold (charateristic of car, not correctable)
    Crack in engine block where exhaust manifold bolts to it (Honda replaced short block under warranty, factory man said he has seen a few like it)
    Wrecked at 34K, just when I had it like I wanted it!

    96LX:
    Clutch judder when cold (characteristic of the car, not correctable)
    Power steering noise at low speed (characteristic, uncorrectable)
    Stolen at 36K

    98LX:
    Clutch judder when cold (what can I say?)
    Clutch master cylinder made scrunching noise when stroked (replaced under warranty 4 times, last one was the charm when a redesigned unit was installed under a tech. service bulletin)
    Power steering fluid leak at rack (rack replaced under warranty)
    Body creaks in B pillar drivers side and rear package tray (corrected under warranty)
    Trunk lid misaligned (corrected myself)
    Still own it at 67K miles, drives like new, and will own it until someone steals it from me or it gets wrecked. Maybe I'll get a chance to wear this one out some day.

    Paint on all Hondas above has been thin and easily damaged by bug guts and bird droppings.

    In defense of VW, the best car I have ever owned was a 85 Quantum 5 cylinder. 125K with very few problems. Tight, rattle free. I wish I had never sold that car! Much better paint than Honda, too. I seriously doubt the current Passat is a POS. I drove one, and it drives better than the Accord (subjective opinion, but hey, I'm entitled!) Still, Honda will likely have much lower overall cost of ownership.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    I agree, the Accord paint and clearcoat is one of the thinnest in the industry. I also have noted that the sheet metal seems to be a lot thinner than its competitors.
  • pblevinepblevine Posts: 858
    I'll agree that my Accord Coupe '98 EX V6 is a very good car, and yes, the engine is both great and quiet too. The paint now being used, however, is another story.

    Isellhondas: If you remember the good olde Acura Legend, that was a great car. My brother-in-law's '90 Legend is still going strong with about 500,000 miles on it! The paint on that car was much thicker, and more coats, and each coat was much longer lasting. On my car, the slightest little pepple or hard piece of sand hitting my car will leave a little pock mark cutting right through the clear coat and paint. My "counter measures" now include touch-up paint and losts of Zaino.
  • ravynravyn Posts: 101
    sending out my letter to the president of american honda today after exhausting all local options. previously i'd posted about paint problems on my '00 coupe and commiserated with several other unhappy owners. i now have two independent appraisals stating that the paint has poor adherance to the substrate and metal and upon closer inspection with a lighted magnifier, is actually shattering, not just chipping...an indicator of several possible problems with the paint process. cross your fingers, and we'll see what certified mail gets me.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Wow! 500,000 miles !! Pretty impressive.

    The paint on the leading edge of the hood on my 99 Accord V-6 Coupe (black) has it's fair share of chips also. As I look at the hoods of late model other make trade ins I see similar chips.

    Last night I took in a 2000 Sebring Convertable with 17K. It has it's fair share of chips too.

    So, I don't know...I'll probably get my hood "fogged" soon and start the chip process all over.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    I have noticed a lot of 1998-2001 Accords with a lot of paint chips on the front of the vehicle. Most noticeable of course is the hood on black Accords. This issue of paint shattering on the Accords probably makes lot of sense. When you try to cut corners to save a few dollars on the bottom line, this happens. Ford back in the mid 1970's had a tremendous problem with paint chipping on their cars. It was later found out that one of the executives at Ford made an arrangement with their paint supplier to "cut" the paint. Hey maybe Honda hired this old Ford executive to handle their paint purchasing? Honda definitely is cutting corners to keep their cars competitive.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    I see as many chips on the older Accords.

    But, I guess if you want to think quality has slipped you'll notice more chips I guess.

    I also see chips on Buicks, Toyotas, Fords and Studebakers. A rock WILL chip paint!
  • dash400mdash400m Posts: 55
    To date, the paint quality on my raisin pearl '98 Accord (4cyl/4dr) has held to its high standard. Heck, I'm just glad these cars don't rust out anymore!

    This Accord has been flawless to its present 50,000 miles. Yep, it'll go 200,000+.
  • I am curious to know if your Accord was made in the United States or Japan? Personally, I have noticed Accords with Japanese Vin #'s seem to have better fit and finish as compared to those built in Ohio.
  • ravynravyn Posts: 101
    i think it's great that you're enthusiastic about the cars you sell. i've also been a big honda enthusiast for many years, but it's almost to the point that you're taking the comments made here personally. you don't have to neigh-say everyone's opinion. this particular board is about quality control, and people's different experiences with their cars. it's especially nice when people have had more than one honda in their lifetime and have something to compare the newer ones to.

    we have an '88 accord, white, that doesn't have chips on it at all. driven up and down the east coast by several different people in my family. sure it's got dings and some dents, and yes, the paint is starting to crack in certain places-due to age, but CHIPS? no. there aren't any chips.

    and as to other companies, my brother has a '97 camaro, black, driven all over virginia, with maybe 2 chips.

    i would really like to think that honda quality isn't slipping. and perhaps overall it isn't. but you're bound to get a few lemons in any car company, especially with the volume of cars that are built now.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    Your comments are well said and to the point. This is a board discussing Accord quality control. Accord owner's experiences and comparisons are what this topic is all about.
  • pbagratpbagrat Posts: 25
    My 2001 Accord LX V6 has a few "bubbles" sticking up from the paint. They have not ruptured, but this doesn't seem right. I've purchased four new vehicles in my lifetime so far and never seen this. I assume this would be covered by the rust warranty wouldn't it?
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    Definitely take the car back to the dealership and show the service manager.This is not normal and Honda will correct the problem for you under warranty. I would suggest to take it to the dealership as soon as possible.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Yep, a good post. I take nothing personally. Some balance is needed in these forums I believe and I tell it as I see it.

    Heck, I've even defended Toyota, my biggest competitor in other forums.
  • dash400mdash400m Posts: 55
    My Accord was made in the U.S. Funny thing -- raisin pearl (plum) wasn't the most popular color, and I believe that it's been discontinued [?]. It's been a great car.

    I've driven Civics on and off since '74. Empirically, I believe that the Japanese Civics are better than the U.S. versions. I have two Civic Wagons; an '85 with 245,000 miles (new engine installed at ~240,000 miles), and an '89 with 173,000 miles. Both look near-new. OK, so this is an Accord forum...

    BTW: I know an individual in Fauquier County, VA who has an '87 Accord (Japanese/LX-i [?]) with 405,000 miles. This car is well maintained, and has never had any problems associated with the engine.

    Keep the great topics going.
  • qqqqqq Posts: 8
    I've noticed on the 4 cylinder 2001 Accords (2 or 4 door) in the SF Bay area (even brand new!) that if you look underneath from the back of the car that a) the round bar that welds to the back left of the muffler is rusted, and b) if you look further forward (in the middle in line with the back tires) there are two vertically aligned bolts and the bottom one is rusted as is the bar attached to it.

    My questions are:

    1. Is this only for 2001 4 cylinder Accords in the Bay Area? (Owner's can you take a look and let us all know about your vehicle?)
    2. Is this normal? (Doesn't seem like it!)
    3. Is it cosmetic?

    Thanks.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    That only happens in the Bay Area. From Vacaville north and Salinas south you won't have that problem.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Just heard a report...it's been spotted as far east as Antioch.
  • qqqqqq Posts: 8
    Let's stick to the issue, as opposed to belittling it since you sell Honda's and don't want to admit it's an issue with rust.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    It happens and noticed it in the area I live in. When Honda cheapened up their exhaust system, you can see it on the welds from the muffler to the tail pipe. Has Honda not galvanized the whole undercarriage of the vehicle excluding the exhaust system? Cutting corners in the manufacturing process will result in the rust you are talking about.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    Honda had an engineering design flaw on he 1995 Accords. If you live in the Northeastern USA or Canada where a lot of rock salt is used during the winter, you will see Accords have a rust problem on the upper rear wheel wells. A collision shop owner pointed this out to me once since water collects and sits in that area which causes rust. Add rock salt to the mix and you have rust. Strange that it happens exactly 5 years expires on the rust threw warranty.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Of course I was attempting to interject a bit of humor.

    The truth is, I have no idea what you are talking about. Here in Seattle we get a LOT more rain (like today) then you get in the Bay Area.

    Of course I follow behind a lot of Accords and I've noticed nothing like you have described. Are you crawling under the cars or something?

    I'll take a look at some Accords that are up on the lift in our shop.

    Someone else mentioned the black paint peeling off the back of the mufflers on V-6 Accords.

    Again, something I had never noticed or cared about. BUT!! I took a close look at my own V-6 Coupe and...HORRORS...one of the mufflers has a slight bit of peeling paint!

    I'm a pretty fussy guy....but...big deal!

    So, first nice sunny day I'm off I might buy a can of heat resistant flat black paint...psst..fixed!

    Rust on exhaust bolts BTW, hurts nothing.
  • qqqqqq Posts: 8
    My point was that it was for 4cylinder Accords only, brand new on the lot there is rust...doesn't sound right to me. Just wish some other owners would pipe up on this issue.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Since you've posted the same message in several other boards.

    I think you are looking at surface rusting on the exhaust bolts. I'll look today when I get to work.

    I'll report what I see.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    As anyone can tell you, service rust can lead into body and metal rust. Usually, those bolts in question are galvanized on the under carriage of the auto. Maybe Honda is cutting corners on the galvanization process. By the way, isellhondas, I read reply regarding the chipping off of the black paint on your Accord's muffler. That is the first defect that you have admitted to on this board or any board. Congratulations!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Yeah...isn't that horrible? A 1" square of chipped off paint...on a stupid muffler of all things! A terrible "defect" after 38,000 miles.

    I'll continue to "admit" to any other terrible things that I find. In the meantime, I'm sure a couple of Honda haters will be able to nake a great big deal out of other minor things.

    I have nothing to gain by not agreeing with people who think the sky is falling.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    They probably would have been smarter to simply not paint the mufflers in the first place.

    Anybody would know the paint will eventually peel from the heat.

    That way, nobody could call that a "defect"!
  • qqqqqq Posts: 8
    Now that you've had a chance to take a look at work, what's it look like in terms of underside rust? You mentioned yesterday you would take a look...
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