Hummer H2

biodiesel

The HUMMER H2 may be the most offensive car made in the last 25 years. Not only does it have the worst fuel economy of any passenger car made in the past 25 years : 10mpg, it also stands a much higher chance of killing anybody else it happens to crash into, due to its high center of gravity and high bumper, putting it at head and chest level of most other passenger cars.

Please consider others, including your children, when contemplating the purchase of one the worst vehicles ever made.

For the record, I drive a 50mpg VW 1.9L TDI (turbo direct injection) New Beetle.

stever

Welcome to Town Hall, Biodiesel. I think you'd enjoy the I don't like SUVs, why do you? discussion.

Steve, Host

h1vc

The H2 is not a car, it is a commercial truck. Its weight and size makes it very safe for its occupants.

megasuvowner

The H2 was nice and all but im in no hurry to get another. Im enjoying quality time with my G-Class for now. The police told me he was doing around 45mph which was way to fast for a little residential street. And at least i have some much needed room in my driveway. It would have been fun to take the h2 out in all the snow we are receiving, but whatever. And to the hippy dude, cars arnt offensive, its the drivers that are. You can have some crazy hippy in a beetle running over people if he wanted to.

beach15

Fine! I love it and can't understand comments like that, but to each his own. Also like Bugs like yours, but not as much. The big, black, menacing Chevy Avalanche we drive is also very "offensive" to many just because of it's looks--good thing, because when the V8's pumpin, everyone better be out of the way! Love it to pieces too...

Now, if I could only hit the Powerball or PCH soon, the first thing I'd buy would be a new yellow H2 and I'm a car nut. Some use their millions for MB's and BMW's, but the H2 is still the absolute coolest vehicle out there and would be my choice.

hybridfan

To sell and own cars like the Hummer is the equivalent of flipping the bird to all the U.S. soldiers own their way to the Middle East. But, hey, a few body bags is a small price to pay for all the fun we're having driving 'em.

h1vc

Also, last I read, most of US oil imports don't come from the middle east. The H2 is a commercial truck, not car.

speedway86

My father just purchased a 2003 H2 and there is a gas or fume smell that you can smell when you're driving the car. He's had it checked at the dealer for leaks of any kind, but they can't find anything. The gas cap is on tight as well. It almost smells like a solvent or cleaner smell inside the cab.

I have reviewed over 300 posted messages here and still can't find anyone who shares this same problem!

HELP PLEASE!

speedway86

edwardt1

Although I respect the right for
individuals to express there opinions,
it is annoying to have people come
on a board that is geared to a particular
vehicle and then slam the vehicle. If you
find the H2 offensive why post on this
board? The H2 has a look that is very
appealing. My wife would love to have
one and I'm sure we will take a look at one before long.

h1vc

Check the fuel lines into the injection system for tightness. A very common problem with Yukon's and Suburban's

Check for anti-freeze solution coming thru heater or something spilled on engine compartment...gets hot...filters thru fire wall.

Did he change the OEM non-locking gas filler cap to a venting/locking type

Let us know outcome.

speedway86

Thank you "h1vc" Response #326 re: Gas Smell.

The H2 goes in tomorrow and will bring this info up to them.

Thanks again!

speedway86

fitnessguru

If you're going to post such an idiotic message, at least list some facts to support your view. It's incredible to me how many people have anti-SUV views without any real life facts to back them up. For those of you who think we SUV owners are somehow Anti-American because of the poor gas mileage of our vehicles, answer these questions honestly and see if your views still hold water:

1)If a group of 6 to 8 went on an outing, would they burn more gas taking ONE SUV or TWO sedans?

2)If you drove a car with great gas mileage, would you be more likely to drive it alot or less likely?

3)Do you think SUV's are driven more or less due to there MPG when the owners have the option of driving a second vehicle?

4)Did you know that non-SUV's like the Rolls Royce and Bently get worse gas mileage than 90% of SUV's? Are all of those folks who worked hard to be in a position to afford such luxury Anti-American to?

5)Did you know that cars that are lighter in weight are often lighter due to the increased use of plastics, and these plastics are made from petroleum products(Oil) in larger quantities than we burn driving our SUV's?

The point I'm trying to make is this, think your position through before you even take a position. There are many benefits to owning SUV's that can actually be beneficial to the environment such as taking fewer vehicles on trips because SUV's hold more people. Isn't this the whole idea of taking public transportation, like the Bus? (More people in one vehicle cuts down on the number of cars on the road). Yes, SUV's don't get good gas mileage, but H2 owners like myself are just as American as the men and women in the Armed Forces driving there Military HumVee's, or did you forget they drive Hummers to?

sbcooke

You should jump in the SUV owners are unpatriotic discussion.

stever

Are SUVers Unpatriotic?

Steve, Host

gsgman69

you could take one Hummer that gets 10 mpg and use 2 gallons of gas...............

or two Honda Civic EXs that each get 32/37mpg and would consume 1.16 gallons of gas between the both of them. Even accounting for a greater loss of mpg in the two loaded civics they still come out ahead.

And of course if you are only transporting 4 people the Civic would win using 0.58 gallons vs. 2 gallons for the Hummer.

Also more bad news from Car and Drivers' worst performers of the year "awards:"

Hummer - worst roadhandling
Hummer - worst braking
Hummer - worst MPG

hybridfan

To those folks who responded to my earlier post, let me clarify - Hummers, SUVs, pick-ups and minivans (and, of course, the usual high-performance sports cars) on the market in the U.S. today simply don't meet any sort of responsible fuel efficiency/emissions standard (the best I found when shopping for a vehicle this week was 23 hwy 18 city on the Ford Escape). Sorry if that offends you, but that is simply unacceptable. And when we all know people who are on their way to the Persian Gulf to fight for U.S. interests, it is, to say the very least, ANNOYING that the rest of us aren't willing to insist that Detroit produce something that at least takes our independence on foreign oil into account. We now import tremendous amounts of oil on daily basis from Iraq (particularly since Venezuela has dried up), a regime we're prepared to spend $50-60 billion dollars fighting. Don't you think it's time we factored national security interests (and maybe environmental ones, too) into our purchasing decisions? For your info, I ended up buying a VW Passat Wagon (the best from an environmental standpoint that I could find for a family of (soon to be) four). Admittedly not ideal, but I'll thank Detroit on that one since they gave me so few options.

tidester

Though you make interesting and provocative points, this really isn't the place for it. I urge you to join the discussion in Are SUVers Unpatriotic? and I don't like SUVs, why do you?.

tidester, host

sbcooke

This forum is more for people that want to drive their hummer over a little hybrid vehicle. :-)

A lot of negative political things can be said about the VW (wwII, holocaust, slave labor). This is not the forum for that, but I guess you didn't truly research your vehicle choice, but I won't call you any names. Basically bad things can be said about just about any vehicle.

I think the new hummer is cool, and happy that Detroit is offering us great choices. I am a fan of offroading and think the H2 offers real competition to the G500, LandRovers, etc, at a quasi reasonable price.

beach15

Our Avalanche is our first SUV, and will not be the last. We love everything about it, including putting gas in it! I cannot believe the absolute idiotic comments people are making like "You're a terrorist if you drive an SUV." Sorry, I don't know how this logic is supported, but it's just dumb. You drive what you want to drive, and we'll drive what we want to drive. I'm not a terrorist, and neither do I believe in all the downing of SUV's.

Jeez, just get back to the H2! Not it's gas mileage, not that someone in a VW thinks it is a disgrace, but just that it's an awesome vehicle, probably the most awesome of everything on the road today. Some day, I will buy a new yellow one.....!

bpraxis

I for one am very grateful to live in a country where we have the wonderful array of choices in autos that we have. And the Hummer is a fantastic choice.

  Your premise is completely flawed and is based on emotionalism, not facts or reason.

  The purchase of an automobile is an individual decision and is an expression of free choice.

  The ability to trade dollars for oil in the mideast promotes peace, not war. It is the political entanglements that are creating terriorist problems.

  Trade always promotes peace.

  What vehicle someone purchases is none of your business.

  As far as supporting terrorism, did we not provide Iraq with 5 different strains of anthrax in 1989? Did we not give Iraq chemical and biological weapons to use against Iran when he was our allie? It is called blowback.

  You make me want to drive an aircraft carrier just to annoy you, lol.

  But I will settle for that wonderful sculpture of sheetmetal, the beautifully handsome new H2. Given that the vehicle is a first year GM product I would definately wait for the second year of production.

tidester

As far as supporting terrorism...

See my previous post! :-)

tidester, host

h1vc

how did your trip to the dealer turn out?

beach15

Does anyone have a pic or know where one is of the H2's interior with cloth seats? Since introduction I knew they were standard, but of course, you can never find one. For the first time since they've been out, I just found a black H2 with cloth seats, and the only options of black crossbars and side steps. Not that we're buying one, I just want to see the interior in cloth. Anyone have one?

computerdrives

I'm trying to determine if the H2 qualifies for the SUV tax break. The info that I find says vehicles weighing more than 6000 lbs are qualified for the tax break but the Hummer isn't listed as one of the 38 qualifies vehicles on the list that I found. Here's the web page where I've found the most info about the SUV tax break:
 
http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosinsider/0212/18/c01-38875.htm

Does anyone have info regarding this?

h1vc

It does qualify, H1 also, I know of people that have done it. Wait a while though, there aren't any signs that the current program will end anytime soon, but I read somewhere congress or pres, someone, is thinking about increasing the amount or something.

hummerbabe

There is an article on www.msnbc.com re: this issue. (Search "hummer of a 75,000 tax credit") President Bush is proposing to triple section 179 of the federal tax law. I hope it passes!

trishield

The news about SUV tax credits was very overblown in the media. The program is nothing new really, I'll keep this short and sweet.

You can only write these vehicles off your taxes if you have a personal business you use the vehicle for, and if you turn a profit.

aaa_edgar_poe

First, the world is awash in oil. New oil field in the artic of Russia to be drilled, as an example.

Second, rich people fly in their private planes and consume 2000 gallons at once.

Third, it your life, and to be safe, how much is that worth. The main goal of like is to live; number two is to procreate.

Fourth, Hummer is made in America, so buying one keeps an America employed and not out of work commiting crimes (yes, its blackmail, but so is marriage).

Fifth, If we all got one, we could save billions of dollars since we would not need to have paved roads.

Does anyone now how far off the ground the H2 center of gravity is?

jogiba

http://www.cars.com/carsapp/chitrib/?srv=parser&act=display&a- mp;tf=/features/autoshow2003/coverage/chicago/posted/coverage_02_- 13_06.tmpl

h1vc

Very weird how the Hummer plant used to be studebaker's old plant. GM is suing them, it might get very interesting.

tidester

Does anyone now how far off the ground the H2 center of gravity is?

I couldn't find any explicit listing of the H2's COG but if its track width is 72 inches and it can traverse a 40° side slope, then the COG should be about 43 inches above the ground. If anyone has "real" numbers, please share!

tidester, host

odie6l

I see the Unimog will be available in the U.S starting with a 2003 model.
Here's the website;
http://www.unimogtrucks.com/

The only thing I didn't see on here is the price these monsters are suppost to run. But with all the added accessories you can purchase... it will be up there in price I bet. I personally like the how you can switch which side of the vehicle you drive on (Left or Right hand drive). Click on the "Explore the Versatility" to get a better view.

Odie

eyedxtx

speedway 86

Did you find out on the fume vapor smell? Mine had the same! Took the spare tire out of the rear cargo area to leave out awhile. The odor somewhat irritates your eyes while driving! Any feed back from others?

kbowen

I read somewhere that the Hummer would have difficulty with the 100 mile canyon rim trail in Moab--and similar size trails-- because of its width, some of the sections being narrow. I've done the Rim Trail in a Disco II and can see where even the H2 MIGHT have a problem, even though it is not as wide as the H. Since most of my offroading is on trails of this size, and since I'm considering the H2, does anyone know whether the H2, because of size, would have a problem with the rim trail or others like it (i.e. Silverton, CO--Black Bear or Silverton to Lake City or Telluride).

h1vc

H1s have done those trails, the H2 is narrower than H1s so they should be fine. You just have to be more careful.

tgalati

I know that everyone is "gung ho" on their new H2s. However, has anyone found the H2's performance in sand or snow to be less than what they expected? I own two H2s and have been surprised at how poorly they have performed for me. First was in sand on the beach- it was embarrassing! It would not move. Then, trying to go through 2 feet of snow- not even close. Granted, it only has 10 1/2 inches of ground clearance but I still thought it would plow through. Anyway, has anyone had problems like this? Please be truthful. I love the look and feel of my H2s but, I am selling one of them because I just bought a new H1 so I will not be stuck in snow again! I appreciate your feedback.

stever

Air down your tires for the beach.

What tires are you running this winter? Winter rated tires will generally work better than a summer, or all-season tire, or an "off-road" tire meant for mudding. Maybe yours are so big they float on the snow instead of digging in? (counter-intuitive to your sand problems though).

Are there any clubs in your area you could hook up with? There's lot of off-roading tricks that you could pick up on in a hurry that way. Besides being more fun to go with a friend, it's safer to have a buddy along if you do get stuck in the boonies.

Steve, Host

tgalati

I didn't let air out of my tires because I never had to do that for any of the other 4x4s I've owned. My local dealer did tell me to let some air out as you just did. There is a hummer club in my area that I was going to hook up with, but I can't imagine the H2 would hang- from my experiences. This week my H1 will be arriving and I can't wait to see the differences between the two. Thanks for the tips.

stever

You might enjoy looking through the old posts in the SUV for Beach Sand discussion....

Steve, Host

h1vc

I haven't heard anyone else say anything about getting stuck in sand. You should lower your tire pressure, you should also raise the rear end if you can. Join your local club, other H2s do fine offroad.

sbcooke

2 H2's and a now a new H1? I assume you must have 2 houses...one in a warm climate and one in a snow region. Any sand in a colder climate should be fairly hard and easy to traverse by a 2wd vehicle.

If you are spending that kind of dough on offroad vehicles, you should look at a G500, it will give you H1 ability and significantly more road manners.

It depends on what you are going for? If you don't want to get stuck, try an late model Toyota Land Cruiser and add a few options to it (i.e. lockers, lift, tires)

Also, if you want the ultimate vehicle not to get stuck in, get a Mercedes Unimog. They are bringing those back to the US, and you can import them as well. They should be able to drive over an H1.

odie6l

You can test drive the unimog's at any frieghtliner dealer. I went and test drove one and the dealer even let me switch the steering wheel from left to right so I could see how it was done... only took me 5 mins. And boy is it a blast to drive. Just REALLY BIG.
Http://www.unimogtrucks.com

Odie

lok888

odie61 - Just came across and found this forum. This is a monster! Looks like a multifunctional vocational duties truck. Just downloaded the brochure. It has 1 year bumper-to-bumper warranty. Any idea what the retail costs?

budfox1

I'm looking for a new SUV and keep coming back to the H2 but I don't know if it can handle my towing needs. I had to trade an Expedition for a 2500 Suburban to tow my boat--approx. 6500 pounds. Has anyone tried to tow anything of this weight and if so, how did it perform? The specs say it can do it but the specs on the Expedition also said it could tow 8500 #'s.

odie6l

you know..it didn't even have a sticker in the window when I went and drove. But then again I didn't ask either. I told the guy a saw one and wanted to see it up close, so he let me test drive in the parking lot.

Odie

tgalati

Well, I drove up north to get my H1. Who has time for a transportation service. Wow, what a vehicle! Unimogg?? The H1 is uncivilized enough. Thanks for the info on the Landcruiser SB. I have owned many an LC and think it is one of the greatest sport utes of all time but it is no HUMMER. The G500 is a nice vehicle also- but again, the H1 is the ultimate SUV and she's made right here in the good ole' US of A.

h1vc

What did you get? 02 or 03? Got pics? Have fun with it!

intmed99

In sand and mud, weight is the main offender. Your H2 is simply TOO heavy. It does not matter what type of lockers you have. The H2 weighs way too much to play in deep sand or mud. It will sink like the Titanic! Changing to a more aggressive tire (mud-terrains) MAY help in mud, but will not for sand (because aggressive tires will dig in sand). Airing down your tires is a very good idea...may help.

My brother's LX470 sank too in deep mud. In comparison, my other brother's Jeep Wrangler and my 4Runner had no problems. Even my '02 4Runner (4000 lbs) had a lot of problems in deep sand because it would tend to sink.

Keep in mind that the H2 is about 1000 lbs heavier than LX470!

I am sure the Merc. G500 will encounter similar problems in sand. In sand, you need a light vehicle, like a Wrangler. Otherwise, you'll sink immediately.

lok888

Will that be the same situation with H1? What about the original Hummvee?

h1vc

I've never heard of a H1/Humvee getting stuck on a beach.