2013 and Earlier - Audi A4 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

vibes

I just finished a deal for an 05 A4 Ultrasport 1.8T MT6.
  
 Here are the specs:
  
2005 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro
Ultra Sport Package
Dolphin Gray Metallic Paint
Premium Package
Manual 6 Speed
Sirius Satellite Radio
Xenon Lighting Package
Cold Weather Package
Included Winter Rubber Mats
Included Front Stainless Steel Audi Plate
  
STICKER: $35,920
  
MY PRICE: $33,670  
  
The lease is for 36 mos w/ 10k miles per year.
Due at leasing: $1633.07
 
$435 per month including all taxes
  
I think I got a good deal, interested to hear what others think.
 
Thanks.

vibes

are these getting quotes for Quattro A4s?

mvs1

OK just finalized my lease and opted for the A4 w/ Bose & XM at the stated price posted earlier. I should take delivery no later then mid-week. And yes it is a quattro.

One thing that I heard from more then a few people (some being Audi salespeople) was that Audi pushed up the scheduled intro date for the new body style A4 by two weeks. It's safe to say Audi's special edition program achieved it's goal of clearing out the remaining 05's.

Just to comment on the above Ultra Sport deal. I would assume Audis lease special extends to non-SE A4's? If that is the case then the above ultrasport deal falls in line with what others are being quoted. Audi incentives discounted this car (via lease rate)in line w/ SEs. And per sites such as Edmunds the mark up from invoice to MSRP is approximately 2K, you realized a heavy discount as well by the dealer in that amount.

rodist

The A4 special editions are flying out the door.
I was luckey enough to get a Dolphin Grey with Ebony.
I tried to deal on a non SE edition of both an A4 1.8 Quatro and an A4 3.0 Quatro but the money factor was much higher. They may change that soon.

mvs1

Funny thing happened today. Figured I'd share. As posted above I put a deposit on an A4 SE. I had to look out of state to get a decent deal (closer to whats been posted in this forum). Today I received a call from the "other" and more local dealer's internet manager and asked why I wasn't buying from them. I stated I preferred to buy and service with them but the other price was better. They agreed to reduce my inception from the $1500 to $1240 and match the monthly price for the Bose/XM stereo. I was up in the air about the additional $700+ for this option (total $ over lease term + additional money at inception )which was just reduced by $260 with the latest offer. Making it a little sweeter.

What I was told was the new A4 arrived today (Not sure on this statement). The lease special is over 2/28.

I'm going to lump dealers into two categories. Those that are moving units before the 28th and swapping/buying from other dealers ( several states away)not moving these cars. The other being dealers holding onto their inventory assuming a better deal after the 28th from Audi. Strange hedging logic? I'm basically making this judgment from what I've experienced the last week. Some dealers being very aggressive with pricing while others state to pay "their" price or hit the road and try to find a better deal.

With this being presidents day weekend a supposed semi-car sales event period. A little closer to the end of the month with dealers needing to meet projected sales volume. Maybe better deals are here that previously were not. In any event, I do believe this car will be out of stock shortly and I've been told the new A4 leases out over $500 per month "standard lease terms". Making the 05 A4 SE a great value for consumers shopping this class.

rodist

I agree with you about the 2 kind of dealerships
The dealership (Napelton) I got my car from (Picked it up yesterday) brought my car in from another dealership and made most of thier money on my trade in. They also have a client for life. The other dealer (Schaumburg Audi) hated the fact that the money factor was so low and people wanted 300 over invoice.
Schaumburg had a deal made with me and when I came to pick up the car, they lied and told me it was sold. I think they thought they can get more once inventories were gone.
Read my review of Schaumburg Audi here. Also, check your dealers ratings.

http://1.8t.org/dealers/?m=v&d=1

Last thing, The 2006 A4 arrived at Napelton on Friday the 18th. I got to see it while closing on my car.

kyfdx

I went to the Cincinnati car show yesterday.. and they had one.. and it had the local dealer's Monroney sticker on it... And the local dealers are advertising them for sale.. Nice car.. A fairly loaded 2.0 turbo Quattro with manual shift was $36,7XX...

mvs1

I looked over these Audi/VW dealership review boards. This one in particular I saw after visiting several dealerships. IMHO the reviews are under developed thus far. Although in line with some comments (not yours rodist) are the condition of pre-owned or better stated, "used" cars. Before shopping the A4, I was interested in the Passat and a new body style will be replacing the current by August. I figured I'd get a decent deal on a used Passat but could not find a low milage vehicle that reflected "real" depreciation on these cars. I talked with the used car manager as well as the nose in the air salesmen. They stated they hand pick these cars and reject those that do not meet their criteria. I was then showed a just reduced from $26.5k to $23k 03' Passat V6 w/ 20k miles. As stated by the manager a "pedigree" vehicle with a deep gouge in the drivers door, 1/4 of the VW logo on the trunk missing, a missing rear ash tray and a carved up steering wheel. The funniest part about it was that they would not acknowledge any of this as I was pointing it out to them. When I asked a loaded question, if the in-dash CD was single or 6 disc. The salesman stated 6 disc and the Used GM nodded his head in agreement. Both being wrong. It's almost like anything will come out of their mouth to get your name on the doted line. That dealership is listed at the bottom of the rankings on the site you provided the link, and by my experience rightfully so. They are also an Audi dealer and had used A4 1.8T quattros listed around 29.5k w/ 30k+ miles on them. The point on any used car is buyer beware. The only reason it's on their lot is because of the profit associated with the potential or inevitable sale. They won't stay in business long buying and selling at the same price.

As far as the new body A4 the reviews by Edmunds rave about the engine although state the interior isn't of better quality or a jump ahead in styling then the current. I personally do not like the new styling and will enjoy my 05 SE once I take delivery.

vicc

Here is what the dealer is offering:

2005 1.8T Quattro Special Edition, 6-speed manual
with:
Cold Weather Package
Bose

36 months, 15,000 miles per year, "zero" down.

Monthly payment, including 6% sales tax = $421.88

Security deposit = $425

Total first payment = $421.88 + $425.

Is this a good deal?

kyfdx

Yes... YES... YES

Did I say yes?

rodist

That's a good deal.
Just watch the paper work closely.
Check term, mileage, residual, rent fee and lease and what is due at lease exception. They may say 425 + 421.88 and License and Tag @ 130.00 and your bottom line at inception might read 1551.00.
Some how they might try to sneak that magical $ 575 acquisition past you twice. Once into the Cap cost and once up front.

vicc

Thanks!
I'll check this tomorrow with the dealer.
One final question:
I was planning to drop off my current leased 2002 Audi A4 (my lease expires this month) to the dealer who is leasing me my new 2005 Audi A4. The bank that has my lease will sell me my current A4 for $16,370. (However, I think they need to add 6% sales tax to this, bringing my total cost to purchase my A4 to $17,352. I've got a call in to the bank to check this). Edmunds estimates the "private party" value of my 2002 A4 to be $18,000. Would I be better off to not turn in my car to the dealer and, instead, buy it from the bank and then re-sell it myself? Or, can the dealer who will be leasing me my new car be able to offer me something for my "trade in" if I decide to leave my car with him?

rodist

I had a Lexus 300RX Leased and turned it into the Audi dealer. It had low mileage and was super clean. My buy out was 22,500 plus 7% tax which is $1,540. They gave me 22,500 which I knew was a little low but in turn, I received a tax credit on my new lease. My new lease (IL) tax due is 100% of the value of the car up front, in my case $ 2205.00, minus the tax credit 1,540 made my tax liability only $665. A monthly saving of about $30/month over a 36 month lease.

Try to trade your Audi in!

kyfdx

You might try trading it in...just ask the dealer..chances are slim for a profit, though.. You can almost guarantee you'll lose money by buying it, and trying to re-sell..

And Illinois is a strange place.. I don't think you'll get any tax credit for trading anywhere else..

One other thing.. make sure the bank does an inspection on your car BEFORE you leave it at the dealer.. You want everything itemized.. otherwise, you might get stuck with end-of-lease charges you weren't expecting (won't apply if trading it).

Good luck with that new lease..

regards,
kyfdx

dl7265

Texas sales tax is 6.25% based on the trade difference. The only snafo I see is that they artificially low ball trades bringing up the tax savings. Its really a win win for the dealer.

DL

bigdveedubgirl

If the Audi is on a Premier Purchase then try to trade it in, because you can possibly get a tax credit (depending on laws applicable in your state) If it is a true lease, you do not get any tax credit because the car is not yours it is the banks. It sounds like you got an awesome deal, run with it, dump off the audi you have and enjoy your new SE 1.8t.

vicc

Just drove to Fort Wayne and back (5 hours total from Ann Arbor) to pick up the car.
The acquisition fee and the documentation fee were rolled into the cap cost. Just gave them a check for $846 and I was out the door. Couldn't have been easier. Came with 3 months of XM satellite radio. I called XM to have it activated and listened to it all the way home. Now THAT is a great option. I'm sold on satellite radio. The A4 is also wonderful...but I already knew that since this is my 3rd A4. Anyhow, I thank everyone for their wonderful advice! You took the stress out of selecting and then leasing this car.

kyfdx

Good job..

Funny.. my sister-in-law got her Audi in Ft.Wayne... she lives there now, but at the time, she lived in Cincinnati..

The salesman drove her car down to Cincinnati to deliver it to her on a Saturday.. His girlfriend followed him down to take him back to Ft.Wayne..

expertbi

The new 2005.5 A4 has just hit the stores. Has anyone tried to lease or buy? What has been your experience?

I test drove one yesterday and they have some pretty cool features.

mvs1

Hey all just took delivery of an 05 SE with Bose/XM. Dolphin gray/Black interior. Total cap cost was 32k which included the bank fee rolled in. Total out of pocket was $1240 at inception. payment of $401.XX, 36 month lease, 12k milage annual. Overall great experience with the internet manager.

As far as prices for the new 05.5 leases, I'm told are going for a little higher the mid-$500s, with the same terms as above.

kyfdx

The local paper is advertising 24 month leases on both the '05 and the '05.5...

The spread is $120/month..

cal_smurf

Has anyone bought or negotiated a new A4 Avant yet and could share what to expect. Can I get a price below sticker?

Another question which does not belong to this forum but maybe someone knows the anser anyway. Does Audi has an Oversea Delivery program similar to Volvo or BMW?

Thanks a lot.

demianwulf

I just got into the market for an Audi A4, but if i'm reading correctly the lease special is over as of yesterday. So what is the best option for me now? My curiosity was peaked after reading some favorable reviews for really nice lease packages here at edmunds..so what is the recommendation now buy or lease?

falcon_2005.5

I have a price for A4 3.2 Avant quatto for $1,350 below MSRP ($43,655). My price ($42,290)
With the following:

Preimum package
Lighting package
Tire Pressure monitoring system
Sport package
Cold weather package
Walnut wood interior trim
Wheel locks

But, I am now think of waiting until the 2006's come out around May or June. I have to order one now why not just wait and order the 2006.

mvs1

If I were you I'd head down to your dealership and see if they'll honor the SE lease. The dealer I leased mine from stated the Special Editions dried up over a three day period. Although, I know of one dealer local to me that was holding their SEs, not offering as competitive a price as others in the state (CT). I got my A4 at a cap cost of 32k which included the bank fee, roughly $500 over invoice. Well under Edmunds TMV pricing. This dealer was extremely aggressive and had blown threw their inventory weeks earlier and were swapping and buying A4s from other dealers not moving theirs. Maybe other dealers in your area are applying the same logic. The few that were holding there inventory were waiting for an even better program then the one that expired 2/28.

rayainsw

Has anyone purchased or leased a 2005 S4 recently?

I would expect that, with 2005.5 A4s arriving (I drove a 3.2 – not quite what I want, acceleration wise) and the 2005.5 S4 due soon, AoA would be helping dealers with remaining S4s. And dealers would be motivated to move them, if they have them. The S4 (Tip.) is on my short list – only 2 or 3 cars.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
- Ray
Looking for an acceleration “fix” every time I press the narrow pedal . . .

vwmon

I understand that the Audi incentives from Feb. have been extended to Mar. 4 and will be then reevaluated. Not many SE's are left though.

jstawski

I want to lease a 05.5 A4 2.0T with Navigation, Leather and nothing else. According to the "Build your Audi" feature in Audiusa.com, the Base MSRP is $28,550 and the Price as configured is $33,770. I live in Miami and the state tax is 6.5%
I want a 36 month lease with 12k miles a year.

How much should I pay monthly for that car? How is the monthly payment calculated and what should I negotiate to make the monthly payment lower? Remember I'm going to lease the car and i'm probably not going to keep it so I'm only going to give the neccesary down payment (the sales manager told me it will be around $1,800).

Thank you in advance...

concrete1717

BUSINESS WEEK, 14 MAR 2005:
"Hot Audi"

"...the division [Audi] accounted for nearly 100% of VW Group's net earnings last year. In 2004 the average operating profit per car at Audi was $1,374, while Volkswagen brand cars, suffering from high costs, model mistakes, and an aging fleet, lost an average $13 per vehicle...".

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DER SPIEGEL (english site), 12 JUL 2004:
"Turning up the Heat in Wolfsburg"

"Automobile industry: For the VW group, the whole basis of its business is crumbling away: Customers are no longer accepting the carmaker's high prices. A drastic programme of savings is intended to come to the rescue. The aim is for costs to be reduced by altogether three billion euros.".

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ctorrey

1. You need to know three numbers:

Capitalized Cost: The negotiated price of the car

Residual Value: Value of the vehicle at the end of the lease term (sometimes expressed in a percentage). This is set by the leasing company and cannot be negotiated.

Money Factor: The effective interest rate. Multiply by 2400 to get the equiv APR. This is typically set by the leasing company, but dealers sometimes build a little profit here.

2. Do not put anything down (aka cap cost reduction). I won't get into details, but there is risk making a cap cost reduction. You may have to pay a security deposit, acquistion fee, and first month's payment and that's OK.

3. Determine the length of lease (typically 36, 39, 42, and 48 months) and the number of miles (typically 10k or 15k per year).

4. Navigate to car_man's lease thread on edmunds.com, post a request with the above figures and vehicle information and he will layout the calculations.

Good Luck!

dl7265

Was quoted 3.6% which is .0015 (I think) ?58% residual on a 36 month/12kmiles 2.0TQ.Did not sound horrible.Any one used these figures ?

DL

wco81

Is that the only inventory left?

Or are there cars with the old premium package or sports package with leather and so on?

On Carsdirect, they're only displaying the SE. Edmunds is displaying all the old configurations as well as the SE.

Do you option an SE with the PSE package or is that already included?

twinrotts

Have my eye on 98 A4 1.8T Quatro with 76 K. Car has the Sports package and an aftermarket 10 CD changer, 5 spd auto/tip.
Some body moldings need replacing plus a chip in windshield. Small rust spot on hood will require total hood repaint. Has not had the timing belt done yet. Drivers sideview is discolored and need replacing.
Is this car worth $7700?

mabubba

I am currently looking at a new vehicle and I have been offered 7500 for my trade, which is:

1999.5 Audi A4 2.8 Quattro w/80K. I believe it has the Sport package(how do I confirm this?) and it's an auto/tip. It's black/tan leather and the exterior/interior are is excellent condition.

If I sold mine privately I would ask 10k. So I guess 7700 for the 1.8T is a little high, but not too out of line. The reconditioning is going to cost you 1000-1500 though, making the deal only 800-1300 better than mine. Plus I have the v6 and its a year newer.

I don't know if that helps much, but I thought I'd share.

mabubba

audifan2

I do not like the new steering. I am familiar with leasing Audis.

The new 2005.5 ride quality is better but the car is definitely less sporty.

I prefer the 2004 and the 2005 versions over the 2005.5 version. The 2005.5 looks great and the ride quality is excellant. It just feels more like a cadillac than a traditional Audi.

I also prefer the 1.8CVT over the 3.0CVT. As far as quattro is concerned the new 2.0 is better because of the additional power over the 1.8.

mvs1

When I leased the 05 (wife actually), another salesmen was trying to sell me on the new model. I was not paying him much attention, but he did mention the "new" steering and how it adapts to the speed of the vehicle. Meaning it's more or less responsive depending on how fast you are driving. Don't quote me but the faster you drive the less responsive it is??? and vise versa??? I think it would the opposite but for some reason I recall him saying otherwise. Since I did not test drive the car, they did not have one ready, and you did. Can you confirm this? Maybe that's why you feel as if it drives like a Caddy.

As far as power (HP) the 1.8T actually is rated between 150hp-225hp depending on what model it is in, Audi/VW. I've heard of many Audi/VW owners who want more HP simple chip their engines. Again it's not something I've personally looked into. Although I believe it changes some of the programming including gear ratios, etc. (hmmmm.....waiting for Mark to jump in here). If I were considering doing this. I would go through the dealership and have them perform any mods for warranty purposes.

bigdveedubgirl

The steering in the 2005.5 Audi A4 is called Servotronic steering and in simple terms the steering wheel stiffens in higher speeds and is looser at lower speeds. What that means is you have more control at high speeds and for low speeds such parking, the wheel is looser.

As for chiping an 1.8t engine, what I know is certain chips such as Nuespeed will not automatically void the warranty but if a turbo blows and they find a chip VW Audi will not cover repairs. Now APR makes a chip that passes through the Audi/VW diagnostic machine and is built more for safety then for power and performance and has and awesome warranty. What I recommend, is unless this car is being purchased as a race vehicle, something that is going to make you money, leave it alone until the warranty expires. Also chips automatically void emissions warranty. To get a little more horsepower and better fuel economy, K&N airfilters (properly installed and fitted) are inexpensive........

winsome

New to this site. Never posted before and unsure how to post a new message. Need some input on the purchase of the following car and the terms being offered. Here's the car:

2005 1/2 A4 2.0 Auto
Premium and Cold Weather Package
17" wheels
Light wood interior (the metallic int. is ugly)
Cambridge Green

I'm buying this under Audi's Premium Purchase Program with $2000 out of pocket (includes tax, tags, license, which means I'm putting $700 towards the payments) and payments of $422/mo for 39 months. The out the door cost for the car is $32,929 (includes finance charges)

Any help is appreciated.

winsome

New to this site. Never posted before and unsure how to post a new message. Need some input on the purchase of the following car and the terms being offered. Here's the car:

2005 1/2 A4 2.0 Auto
Premium and Cold Weather Package
17" wheels
Light wood interior (the metallic int. is ugly)
Cambridge Green

I'm buying this under Audi's Premium Purchase Program with $2000 out of pocket (includes tax, tags, license, which means I'm putting $700 towards the payments) and payments of $422/mo for 39 months. The out the door cost for the car is $32,929 (includes finance charges)

Any help is appreciated.

sojoso

Thought to share my buying experience as well as some thoughts on Audi purchasing...

I bought a 05.5 A4 2.0T Auto Quattro over the weekend: Prem, Cold, Sport packages. Generally, it went very well. MSRP was $35,420, trade in worth $3,800 (KBB) and got $4800 off sticker, for a net discount of about $1000. Smartest thing I did was approach the dealer with a final target price and let them work out what portion was the trade in and what was the discount.

The (very nice) dealer rep I dealt with initially told me that his dealership offered $250 off sticker, and "hey, I've been doing this five years, and these cars sell themselves; but here's $400 off 'cause I'm a nice guy". Don't believe it; there is $2500 between invoice and MSRP, and a buyer can get at least a grand of that (I probably could have gotten more if I was any good at auto price negotiation.)

Remember that there are no dealer holdbacks for Audi, so the spread between MSRP and Invoice is probably more or less accurate of dealer profit. However, you have to look at a given dealerships' inventory turn. The dealership that I bought from sells about 10 A4s per week and has an average inventory age of about 25 days. If you're looking at a dealership that moves a fair number of vehicles, and you are looking at a less popular configuration, they will likely look to unload a less popular car off the lot. Many of these "less popular cars" are the more expensive 3.2L variety, so if you're constrained to the 2.0L (like me) you're liklye stuck.

Also, and as always when buying a new car, don't let the dealership push you into options you don't want. The car that you are looking for, with the options you want, is probably out there some where. Dealerships trade cars all the time, but there are transport costs to doing so. So, a dealer will often give you a huge price break on an car that has an option that you don't want/need, just because they have it on the lot. Why pay $700 for the Bose system if you don't need it, even though that's a $300 discount off the MSRP. Stay firm to your price and your model, and you're likely to get just what you want.

BTW, love driving the A4, even with the smaller engine it cooks pretty good and responds really well. After 24 hours, no complaints yet....

munu

Hi
I am getting following deal from the local Audi dealer. Please let me know if it worth it:

- 2004 Audi A4 1.8T
- Certified pre-owned with 6 yr/100000 warranty
- 13,500 miles
- Premium & Sport package
- XM radio (external)with 1 year service included
- Grey color and in excellent condition

Price : 25,200 + tax/dealer fee/title

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

tbonephile

A4 3.0 Quattro 6spd with cold weather, sport, bose, premium package and paint MSRP $39,860 Invoice of 36,863 I did a lease of 36/15 with 0 cap cost and got a rate of $489 a month plus 6% CT sales tax for $518 and $2142 due at signing, the total cap on the lease was $38,207 or $1333 over invoice and money factor was 0.00025 and residual was 53% is this a good deal? If not what should I ask for?

nyaudi

We're paying about that for the same car except no paint option, but with 18K/year and no cap reduction at signing. That was about 3 months ago. I think your offer is reasonable, but given how late it is for this model by now, you might be able to do a little bit better. Of course it may be hard to shop it around too given lack of 2005 models left.

robert17

I spent approximately 10 hours doing research (Edmunds.com was extremely helpful) and practicing role playing the negotiations with the dealer. Believe me, it was time well spent. I live in the LA area and visited three Audi dealerships. Once I decided which dealership I wanted to negotiate with, I did a final prep and went in. The process took approximately 3 hours, but I was very pleased with the outcome. I purchased a Silver Audi A4 2005.5 with premium package, 17" alloy wheels and headlight washers for $30,648. This was almost $2,000 below the MSRP of $32,620 for the same items. By being prepared and knowing the pricing structure for the vehicle and options, I was quickly able to take control of the negotiating process. Take it from me, do your homework and don't be afraid to say no to anything you don't want. Remember, your ultimate weapon is your feet (the thought of you walkling out of the dealership is the salesperson's ultimate fear). Happy shopping!

jenhew

I'm looking into purchasing a 2002 pre-owned Audi A4 Quattro, 3.0 6 cyl. One I am considering has 52K miles. Anyone know what the approx life expectancy would be? 100K, 150K, more?

nospam

Trying to do my homework before making a purchase of a G35x. I'd prefer an Audi but last I checked lease rates on their website - I just couldn't justify the added cost. I thought I would analyze things again - but the website is reporting back "Not Yet Available" whenever I try to calculate a lease or premier purchase (in NY State).

Am I missing something here?

jm2lane

The APR on the 39 month premier purchase is 4.1%. The residual for 12k miles per year is 58% if i remember correctly. You can figure the payments yourself depending on your taxes, fees, down payment, and trade using an online calculator.

Kirstie_H

Don't forget tonight's chat with Marc Trahan - 6-7pm PT/9-10pm ET

http://www.edmunds.com/townhall/chat/audia4chat040605.html

burnouts

im going to save for a 96 or 97 audi A4. i want to add more power to it so i was wondering if i should put a turbo or a supercharger in it, and if i can what kind?

jaman

I'm in the process of leasing/purchsing a 2005 1.8T sedan in Toronto, Ontario, with the following specs, tiptronic, quattro, premium package and metallic paint. The msrp is 45,200 (cdn) and the dealer is willing to discount by 3,000.00. Is this a good deal? I anticipate that I will be leasing but am concerned that the capital cost is still too high.

My alternative choice has been an acura tsx which, taking into account audi's incentives, is relatively close in terms of price. My wife and our infant child will be using this as our primary car. Any thoughts?