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1. Must fix: Front door closure restraint mechanism is too weak as they tend to close by themselves when the vehicle is inclined more than 20 degrees / front-up. This needs to be corrected as it is a safety hazard when children are exiting the vehicle.
2. Should fix: Driver's visor mirror needs a cover: this is too cheap on a 23K$ truck. The engineers should jump all over the product planners for this one.
3. Must fix: Console on the front bench seat angle of incline is not adjustable. The standard angle of the console is tilted back too far for my preference which also robs rear seat/leg room.
Also, the rear of the console protrudes too far back into the passenger area when its folded down. Again, too cheap for a 23K$ truck.
4.Must fix: The clock is mis-located: too far away from the drivers view of traffic. The clock face is glossy making it very difficult to read in sunlight. Bad ergonomics: textbook error.
5. Must fix: Passenger's bench seat, particulary the console portion, vibrates too much.
6. Must fix: The standard SR5 wheel paint job was poor quality. Wheel vendor should be called immediately.
7. Must fix: My truck has a vibration at highway speeds >65. The dealer is baffled. I prefer to wait out this one until the Toyota production quality engineers do their homework on some production sample trucks with accelerometers and a good datalogger.
8. Must fix: One dash rattle: right side, sounds like a giger counter. Noticed it when the cabin has been heat soaked, goes away when the cabin is cooled down. Plastic expanded when hot....?
9. Preference: I prefer to rest my elbow on the windor sill, but this window sill is almost nonexistant and too hard.
10. Rear passagers seatback too vertical. I would have added 4" to the length of the cab and given all to the passenger: 2" to the seat back and 2" to the passenger footwell. This item will probably never be changed in this truck model run (4-5years).
Overall, these items are minor except for item 10.
Now, I wait for Toyota's response.
extra cab Limited with the TRD package. The truck rides real nice. I have to drive about 8 miles a day on gravel washed out roads and it is still very smooth, better than my 4runner.On the Hwy at 60-70 it rides just like a car.
Tuck
All comments appreciated.
606zpx
hows the gas mileage?
acceleration?
overall satisfaction with truck?
thanks
Desert Package:
and
Offroad Package:
I have seen both listed and not in the brochure.
Desert Package:
and
Offroad Package:
I have seen both listed and not in the brochure.
I hope some more info surfaces on the Limited towing package problem though.
Went to Longo Toyota here in Southern california today. They have not received any Limiteds at all. They do have some in their order log though. They are the Number 1 Toyota dealer in the world. Is it just So. California, or aren't there ant Limiteds available yet?
Thank You
Todd
I am trying to decide between a new Dakota 4x4 club cab and a Tundra LTD Access Cab 4x4. (I'm not sure why everyone seems to be comparing the Tundra to other full size trucks.) It seems to me that I can get a Dakota loaded with more options, for less $$, and it looks better too. I have a Dodge dealer lined up that will sell me a Dakota for 200 over invoice plus $80 document charge which seems very fair to me. Any comments?
One last thing; I couldn't resist saying something about the Toy dealer who said that the warranty would be voided if you put an aftermarket tow hitch on the truck. What a load of bull. That particular dealer is obviously trying to strong-arm customers into buying this equipment from the dealer (even if it was currently unavailable). I wonder what the manufacturer would have to say to this dealer if they found out about this kind of mis-information being disseminated. I bet it would not be very approving. Who ever heard of marketing a vehicle as being able to tow up to 7k pounds and then saying that the warranty is void if you don't use our hitch - totally ridiculous.
With respect to your purchase of a Dakota, yeah but it's a Chrysler!
Personally, I think that a 245hp V8 on a Tundra Access Cab with a bed larger than an F-150 XLT's ought to be regarded as a full-size truck in anyone's book.
The Tundra is full-size enough. Agreed?
By the way, is your current pride and joy subject to recall? I notice that a lot of pro-domestic disruptors in this Toyota forum have been as quiet as a church mouse regarding the GM 3.2 MILLION vehicle recall. Seems that the GM ABS systems are a menace to our great nation's roadways...
<*cough!*>
Having the flutter in the steering wheel minimized, I still say that there is way too much vibration in the cab under normal driving conditions. I believe now that the shocks are probably too stiff for normal driving and in time I will probably change them out for softer ones. One thing I did notice is that the cup holders that come out of the dash do not vibrate nearly as much as the ones in the armrest, meaning that alot of the problem is in the way the armrest is mounted. Now that I have driven the truck a little more, I would make the following observations/recommendations to Toyota:
--move the clock-it is in an akward place
--there is a blind spot on the left side-I find myself looking behind when changing lanes
--softer springs and shocks-most of us will be doing a whole lot more commuting than hauling in our trucks
--the armrest on the bench seat-first, remount it so that it doesn't constantly shake. It also needs something to hold the lid in place when up-if you are driving and you try to retrieve something out of the console, the lid keeps falling down on your hand, creating a dangerous situation and, last, shorten the back of it so that when it is down, you can still reach into the back seat from the driver's seat.
This is not whining, but rather my suggestions for making what is already a very nice truck a little better and safer. I will not change my mind, though, about the ride. I am not satisfied and I will keep trying things until it gets better.
The funny thing is, there are "full-size" domestic trucks with bigger beds, bigger engine and bigger everything else but have less payload and towing capacities than my puny little Tacoma with 2.4L. Oh sure, Toyota always over-rate their trucks. We've all heard that lame argument before.
Then there are those "full size" domestic trucks with flare-side beds that are smaller than my again puny little Tacoma. What say you pundits?
I'm only using the Tacoma as an example, you could use the Frontier if you'd like. The ratings are similar.
Also I'm not bashing the domestics, I think the V6 5sp. "full-size" domestic trucks are very usable for many applications. In fact, I've been considering one myself. My point is: buy the truck that suits your needs, regardless of what others may say. If everybody listens to the macho manly my-truck-is-a-bigger-penile-extender-than-yours talk, we'd all be driving F-850 diesel rigs rated to tow Manhattan.
Or maybe, just maybe...way down deep in your sub-conscience, you've come to realize what the rest of us already know...Chrystler..IS a dirty word.
But I'm glad you're having fun with the recall. No, my pride and joy has 4 wheel disc ABS, and was not part of it. But for those trucks that were, they have something in common. Unlike Tundras, they ALL have ABS. Something we can agree on?
The GM trucks recall for ABS brake problems is probably no worse than the head gasket problems the Toyotas trucks are famous for.
Now I totally agree with you, that you should buy the truck that fits your needs. And if you have already bought one, I'm sure it does. But if full size is what you need, the Tundra isn't! The cargo box is fully two inches shallow, a foot shorter in wheelbase, 3 inches narrower. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just not full size according to the dimensions, any way you measure. And there is just no avoiding it. If you want to play the full size game, comparisons are inevitable. As Chris Berman says, "That's why they play the game!"
No one said "my-truck-is-a-bigger-penile-extender than yours." To receive such a message would be your choice, or interpretation. And to assume everyone, or even ANYONE in this topic would be listening to macho manly talk is a farce anyway. Consider it as just "telling it like it is!"
Heres why I'm impressed though. The truck is five years old, out of warranty and has 70,000 miles on it. This service (other than the inconvenience) will cost me nothing. I was even provided a free rental car for this two day fix. I've been looking at the Tundra as a step up. Toyota customer service and regard for customer satisfaction has impressed me. Toyota is fixing head gaskets on all Toyota trucks since 1991 free of charge.
Yep, that probably adds a few dollars to all the other vehicles they sell but its the way I like to be treated by a company.
We all choose products for different reasons. Individual choice is what this is about. There are no right or wrong choices...
The engineering philosophy I was taught and one to which I subscribe in practice is: optimization. Anybody can build a large strong machine. A well-designed machine, however, is one that is just large enough and just strong enough for the application (with proper margins of safety, of course). Over-engineering is not always a virtue.
Larger springs may look beefy and satisfying, but they add unsprung weight (particularly in the case of leaf springs) and affect ride and handling. The larger springs you described are likely to compensate for higher "dead load" or weight of the truck itself before payload, and they add no more load capacity than smaller springs with less preload. The similar payload ratings reflect this trade-off exactly.
Toyotas have traditionally been lightweight trucks. While this may seem to many like an undesirable attribute, to me it simply indicates the Toyota engineers subscribe to the same philosophy of design optimization.