I'm been following this conference for a little while so I deciced to do a little research on my own I looked up on consumers reports best buys on pickups compact 4x4, #1 ford ranger #5 toyota tacoma , fullsize #1 ford f150, toyota tundra wasn't even mentioned,then I went for a nice ride in my F150 lightning supercharged 360hp beast with 440 lbs of tourqe when eventually I was pulled over by a nice police officer when I asked what I did wrong he said nothing he wanted to check out my truck I wonder if that would have happened in a lundra.Oh by the way you're talking about this breaking stuff the lightning does zero to 100mph and back to zero in 22 seconds and the the lightning also won the desert rally 24 hr race by 7 full minutes and that was with 2 wheel drive the lightning may be a hyped up truck but is has the heart of a F150 5.4 triton flareside which I would take any day over a tundra.
boch toyota has 11 tundras in the front row of there lot one of them has a 4000 discount on windshield but you better hurry there was a line to get in the door tell them barlitz the moron sent ya maybe I'll get a free roll of fuji film. sayanara
barlitz-glad to see an objective consumer exists on this forum. Your ford is my 2nd choice-I don't need that much motor but it would be nice. The interior seemed a little chramped to me, the door panel sticks out to far. Spoog-you fail the course and need to take it over, physics 101 ( F=MA) force equals mass X speed. wilbit-a 95 Z71 is very desirable and will bring top $ or trade but drive one of the new GMs they really are a new level you won't find with a toy. Bregan-if you really have to buy a toy muliply the sticker price by .83 and offer That much-cash today-say-are you ready to deal today cash?-and watch them squirm. They will not let you leave but do not offer a penny more and don't let them sell you any extended warranty scam.
Knuckleheads check out my statement in 204. Problems? Questions? Direct them there. This is a glorification of Toy-o-ta toy trucks thinking of delusions of grandeur. Toy makes a fine toy truck and I'm sure that the "Tundra" is a sound vehicle. We naysayers should heed my call back in April of 1998 when I started discussion 204 in which I was kicked out of a Chevy area. I would love to hear pros and cons on the new addition to man country.
"Spoog-you fail the courseand need to take it over, physics 101 ( F=MA)"
LOL. The Toyota outbrakes the Chevy. Are you going to deny that? Ill come right back here with the facts. THE TUNDRA OUTBREAKS THE CHEVY. Get over it. Anyone with a clue knows that Chevy and Ford are notorious for bad brakes and rotors.
"force equals mass X speed. wilbit-a 95 Z71 is very desirable and will bring top $ or trade but drive one of the new GMs they really are a new level you won't find with a toy."
Hold on a second. The Toyota Tacoma has a MUCH higher resale value than the Chevy s-10. The 4runner has the highest resale value of any compact SUV. The Toyota LandCruiser has the highest resale vaule of any full size SUV. Based on these FACTS , what makes you think the Tundra will have poor resale value???? On what past evidence are you basing "your" conclusion on?
Go ahead and spout more gibberish and lies Citrus.
As of midnight 7/2 I am the proud owner of an SR5 Tundra. I ended up sitting at that stupid damn table for 6 hours before we squeezed a price out that we could agree on. (I think it took years off of my life.) I am extremely glad that I did my homework and knew exactly what the invoice was on that truck and options. Don't be afriad to make your first offer right at or slightly above invoice. They'll probably reject it but at least they'll know you don't intend to pay MSRP. I also said that I wouldn't even sit down at the table before they dropped the dealer markup. Edmund's advice on buying a new car was invauluable. Read it! Anyway, I ended up paying 6.5% over invoice, and got a truck that puts a grin on my face.
its official car and driver rated the tundra the yuppie pickup truck of the year, no wonder I can't imagine any real construction workers driving one and if you're worried about braking maybe you should go back to drivers ed school and polish up those driving skills then you won't have to lock em up every time you go to the store for a half gallon of milk
I have placed an order for the V8 SR5 Access Cab Tundra 4X4. Options included the convenience package,6 speaker/cd stereo, fog lights, and distributor installed alloy wheels(std. tires). Two internet sites show the invoice price to be $24810(approx). Dealer sold the vehicle for $25,716 plus tax and tags. Will take delivery in three weeks. I hope this helps future Tundra buyers. F.Y.I. this vehicle was purchased in North Carolina.
I am interested in the Tundra Access Cab 4X4. Because I do a lot of winter mountain and some off-road driving I want a manual transmission. I like the additional control which a manual transmission provides. This would obviously limit me to the 3.4 V-6 engine. I would appreciate comments from anyone who has either test drove or curretly owns the Access Cab 4X4 with a V-6 manual or automatic transmission. How is the overall power, acceleration, comparison to the V-8?
By the way, I currently own a 1984 Toyota 4X4 4 cyl X-tra cab which now has almost 167,000 miles on it. It has been driven relatively hard to and from the mountains but still runs great and should keep going for much longer. It has been very reliable and "cheap to keep." Over the life of this vehicle, my repair costs over and above oil changes and tuneups, which I do myself, have averaged about $400/year. Bed rust, which has been a problem on these models has been kept to a minimum since I have always had a topper on it and kept it garaged when not in use. My son now has his eye on it, so it is time for me to step into the present.
Spoog.I will admit the 98 and older GM trucks had less quality brakes than the new 99 design 4wheel discs. The old ones were a lot like the new tundra brakes, primitive drums at rear and small discs and pads up front(two large pistons not 4small ones). While the tundra weighing 5 to 8 hundred pounds less than the sierra and brakes 20 feet faster from 60 and Your impressed. If the tundra had the Sierras brakes it would stop 50 feet faster. If the Sierra had tundras brakes it would brake like the 98 model much slower and less control. NADA is my source for resale, whats yours, and I have owned and sold seven toyotas, all were hard sells or trade ins (and I only wanted to get ave loan price) and were clean very solid mechanically loaded SR5s.Toyotas are not highly regarded at other manufactures dealers (personal communication). Just for your awakening bring yours a few places and have them put a number on it towards their new truck, (prepare to be stunned). Usually used toyota are wholesaled. The wholesalers bring them to the auction and cross their fingers. Like they say, there's an [non-permissible content removed] for every seat. bregan and leew no need to haggle with sales managers just offer .83 the sticker and watch them squire. 29k x .83 is 24k the real invoice without adding advertising and holdback,(they don't deserve to get it). Tell them if they won't sell you the truck someone else will. If you start walking towards the door. You'll be tackled. Dealers have been told to sell at least one vehicle a week at real cost if they have to to make the sale (thats thousands more sales and they get you at the service end anyway). Let them make it up on the next guy. Its there game and court and they deserve no mercy don't let them bully you.(there are professional negotiators on the internet, I've seen their adds)
Hey cit, sounds like you have a severe case of truck envy. Pull up next to me in my Tundra and you in your Chevy rattle trap and I'll blow your doors off and beat you off-road with my higher ground clearance. Go whine on a site where all your little Chevy buddies will listen.
why preach to the choir. We all knowing blessed need to educate the ignorant. One inch won't do much. GM actually lowered theres to 10" from 11" for ease of entry for your girlfriend.
Thanks citroen7 for letting me know that I payed too much for my Tundra. Shoot, maybe you ought to be an automotive broker.
I don't know how your regional market is for full sized pickups and/or Toyotas, but if you can get a Tundra for 24000 thats great. Don't forget sales tax (of which we don't have to pay in Oregon) Go get one man, trust me you'll love it!!
Has anybody seen an aftermarket bedliner for the Tundra. $300 from the dealer is too steep for my blood. I'd sooner get a spray-in liner for that much dough. Though that may be the route I end up going.
I'm not to sure if Toyota offers a V6 4x4 Access Cab Tundra. I think as a 4x4 it would be too much truck for the 3.4L V6. I'm waiting for 4x2 V6's to show up as well. Apparently, Toyota is making mostly V8 Access Cab for now, bummer.
chevy owners don't need buddies, and leew you should of wasted more of their time and they would of come down. Remember its their court but its your ball and your can leave and take it home anytime.
Thanks again. While I won't bore ya'll with the details I assure you I played my hand well. The two worst feelings you can have after such a large purchase are, buyer's guilt and that sinking feeling that you bought 2nd rate goods. I have neither. Citroen, your attempts at stirring those feelings have fallen flat.
This is a forum to discuss the truck (it's positives AND negatives) not play monday morning quarter back with a case of sour grapes.
I was wondering if all you tundra owners were gonna be rooting for china when they play the USA woman in the world cup saturday ,and I believe the tundra has a higher ground clearance than the chevy is so all those chinaman can walk under it rather than around it? thats a good ?
Sorry buddy didn't mean to step on any toes, just can't think of driving a foriegn pickup in the usa, can you imagine John Wayne picking up Paul Revere with a truck load of apple pies going to a yankee red sox game in a Tundra?
Interesting comment - considering that most Dodge Ram extended cab pickups are "foreign" - built in Mexico - and many GM and Ford pickups similarly are assembled in Mexico and/or Canada.
Yes, Toyota is a "foreign" name, but the people who build them live in or near Princeton, Indiana - not Saltillo, Mexico City or Silao, Mexico, nor in Ontario ...
Considering we all just celebrated 4th of July, I'd say the countless Americans who died protecting the freedom we enjoy in this Land would toss in their graves if the sign at the gates at Yankee Stadium says "CHEVY TRUCKS ONLY".
I guess everyone in the US should drive American cars and the big three should not bother exporting to any country with an auto industry beause every other country should be as patriotic as Americans and buy their own automobiles only.
There are reasons why Russian and Eastern European cars were such pieces of [non-permissible content removed]. Not having free enterprise and open market competition is a big one.
No matter how you spell it, Tundra is not even second best in the full size truck class. The value of Tundra is in offering the status conscious buyer an affordable alternative to the Land Cruiser.
1 "Why would you buy a vehicle not made in the USA.You live in the USA, go to move to china if you want a foreign vehicle.I work for a union shop anybody pulling up in a foreign truck and the iron workers turn it into scrap metal.keep americans working buy American."
part of being american, as you so proudly claim to be, is the option of choice. And to save you from furtherexpressing your ignorance, the Tundra is 100% Indiana built. i think the issue here is your fear of "others",no so much where a truck is built. get over it, for DECADES american manufacturers have been producing piece of [non-permissible content removed] cars, thats why japanese makers got a stronghold in the 80s. if american union quality would have been reasonable, more people would support USA builders. I would never buy a piece of [non-permissible content removed] for the sake of supporting an American family -that family wont be paying for repair costs. FYI, i am going to be buying a new GMC, not becasue its "american", rather its a good value with, i hope, greatlyimproved reliability. i dont want to rip on you, but when people make claims as you did, i makes "americans" look stupid.
2 "I thinkin the long run the ford is a better value and has a better resale.ford and chevy have been makingtrucks for years in the usa, you don't see to manyold toyotas on the road and if you do the're allrusted."
ok, again, let me inform you of the facts. you see TONS of old toyotas on the road (70's and 80's)! the reason you dont see 40's, 50's, and 60's is becasue toyota didnt make stuff back then. ever heard of the toyota 22r motor? without a doubt, most bulletproof engine ever built. not uncommon for 200,000 plus miles on original engine. Toyotas also do have a better esale than any american truck, you have no argument there. ill give you one thing though, older toyos do rust, but the are mechanically superior to older american stuff. i just want to re-educate you to further your knowledge base....
Powercat your tripping. Think tundra, think gimpy, thin, small, overpriced, yuppy, nerdy, preppy, spoiled, daddys money buying. Barlitz if one inch more ground clearance gets you excited why doesn't a better all round truck for the money. Leew you did buy 2nd rate perhaps 4th or 5 th or 6th rate and payed a grand or more than you should but don't let that bother you. There will be a chance to sell it in a year or two (if the economy is ok but thats unlikely)to someone stupid like some the ignorant ones here.
Can we all get back to discussing the truck and leave all this crap to another topic list. We'll call it [non-permissible content removed] and bitching. Cool?
Citroen7 - Leave this site and go to the Chevy truck site. Please don't return. We're here trying to learn about the Tundra and don't want to hear all about the Chevy on this site. You're an instigator whose opinion carries no value here. Go away.
It just bugs you that the Tundra whipped up on the big 3 in those performance tests, doesnt it? The fact that it was faster and accelrated faster while towing except for 2 big 3 v8's reall gets you.
All you spout is lies and myths. Get a clue. You say the big three trucks have a higher resale value then Toyota trucks. Your wrong. Why dont you for once provide some numbers to back up your BS? I dont think ANYONE is going to buy your crap until you post some reilable sources to back up your claims.
All you have to do is look up the resale value in the NADA book (not rocket science). Chevy owners don't have to hear that their truck is the best value in the market they know it. Again, why preach to the choir. Its the iqnorant toy owners and prospective buyers that need to analyze all the lies and hype perpetuated on them. I'm only a messenger of truth. A lighter truck will brake faster. Towing and hauling its not even close to the Dodge Dakota w/318 V8, that brakes faster and is faster 0-60 (weight is equal),(its class mid-size truck actually) much less a full size mans truck 99 GMC.
I guess Tundra did whip up on the big three in those performance tests, that is if you choose to base your conclusions on the ONE test, that is, the ONE paid for by Toyota marketing, and hyped in the ads.
I guess it whipped up on the big three if you throw out the acceleration test it lost to the Ford and tied with the Chevy 5.3L. And if you ignore that it gets stomped by the Dakota in price and acceleration, its most direct true market competitor.
Funny how you guys rave about how it gets EPA certification as a zero emissions vehicle, but then when the EPA fuel economy ratings come out and Tundra is worse than Chevy full size, all of a sudden the EPA test is bogus.
Hey guys. I am new to this BBS. I am a mechanical engineer working for a government equipment fleet operation. I used to own a chevy, after my first truck (a Toyota). I am here to say that Toyota builds a product that is far superior to Chevy and Ford. Dodge comes close - if you must buy American. We throw away all American trucks at 100,000 miles due to the fact that they start to fall apart. I will be buying a Tundra as my next personal vehicle. Will keep in touch.
Powercat, actually I agree with you that Tundra is in a class by itself. But it's not the full size truck class.
Curley, I've bought some of those junky, abused government trucks at auction that you refer to. Many are falling apart at just 40,000 miles. But the 32 valve OHC Tundra engine is a high rpm engine to be coddled, and would have no chance under the flogging foot of a government employee.
You Chevy guys are like 'em Jehovah Witnesses: you own one and now you're saved. Then you want to "spread the word" and knock on every forum door begging people to join your religion. Except... us heathens just don't care to be saved. So take a TicTac and spare us your breath.
Then there are those of you that just have to beat on anything Japanese. Like the UAW workers in the early 80's who take turns with a baseball bat on a Japanese car in Union parking lots - it was the only way they could make an Import inferior to an American car.
Guess what, the Big Three do make some very decent cars and trucks nowadays that can stand their own without your help slamming on the imports. So put away the baseball bat. Defending what don't need defending is actually making what you're defending look worse. A bunch of mean hairy Hell's Angels ranting and raving about their Softtails in a Yamaha store kinda turns people off Harleys, if you know what I mean.
Don't you guys just love good arguements. like I said my brother was a salesman for toyota for years they are nothing but overpriced pieces of crap ,I also had another friend who's engine siezed up a month after the warranty expired.I'd be interested to know if the tundra was built just for the US market it looks a little like an F150 to me.Oh and by the way the jobsite I was on today had about 400 workers on it alls I saw was the big 3.Its made for yuppies people who think they are good in golf and tennis "give me break"
And for that guy who works for the US goverment,I don't know what I'd rather have protecting me an F17 stealth fighter and some cruise missiles,maybe an air craft carrier like the Ronald Reagan or a nuclear sub or maybe you "d rather have a fleet of tundras thats your choice,
I am not sure I understand your joke. I am a mechanical engineer. I don't work for the Feds. I used to work for Boeing designing jet liners. I know good engineering and bad engineering when I see it and drive it. I am very patriotic. I support America by paying very high taxes. I prefer to spend what little I have left to buy a truck that will last a very long time. My Dad was a Ford man. I used to own a Chevy. My Grandpa used to work for Ford (giving me access to a great discount, should I want it). I procure Chevys, Fords, and Dodges for a living. Toyota makes a better product. I dream of the day when American automotive engineers catch up.
Not to change the subject, but... I bought a new T-100 in '95, SR5 4wd extracab, fairly loaded for $23,500. It's been a very good pickup, and my 4th Toyota. A few months ago, I made the last loan payment, and my wife and I were discussing what vehicle we would buy next. We were seriously considering waiting for a Tundra, but when I saw that it wasn't much bigger than my truck, particularly the back seat, we went out and bought a 99 4Runner, kept the T-100, and sold our '91 Rodeo. The 4Runner came with equipment not available for the Tundra, yet, and dealers wouldn't laugh at offers less than sticker price. My local dealer did offer to let me drive a new Tundra, with a 2 week wait on the test-drive list. My T-100 still books out at $15k trade-in and $20k retail on Kelly Blue Book, just as an example of how Toyota's trucks hold their value...
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I would love to hear pros and cons on the new addition to man country.
"Spoog-you fail the courseand need to take it over, physics 101 ( F=MA)"
LOL. The Toyota outbrakes the Chevy. Are you going to deny that? Ill come right back here with the facts. THE TUNDRA OUTBREAKS THE CHEVY.
Get over it. Anyone with a clue knows that Chevy and Ford are notorious for bad brakes and rotors.
"force equals mass X speed. wilbit-a 95 Z71 is very
desirable and will bring top $ or trade but drive
one of the new GMs they really are a new level you
won't find with a toy."
Hold on a second. The Toyota Tacoma has a MUCH
higher resale value than the Chevy s-10.
The 4runner has the highest resale value of any compact SUV. The Toyota LandCruiser has the highest resale vaule of any full size SUV. Based on these FACTS , what makes you think the Tundra will have poor resale value????
On what past evidence are you basing "your" conclusion on?
Go ahead and spout more gibberish and lies Citrus.
Tundra 4X4. Options included the convenience package,6 speaker/cd stereo, fog lights, and distributor installed alloy wheels(std. tires). Two internet sites show the invoice price to be $24810(approx). Dealer sold the vehicle for
$25,716 plus tax and tags. Will take delivery in
three weeks. I hope this helps future Tundra
buyers. F.Y.I. this vehicle was purchased in
North Carolina.
By the way, I currently own a 1984 Toyota 4X4 4 cyl X-tra cab which now has almost 167,000 miles on it. It has been driven relatively hard to and from the mountains but still runs great and should keep going for much longer. It has been very reliable and "cheap to keep." Over the life of this vehicle, my repair costs over and above oil changes and tuneups, which I do myself, have averaged about $400/year. Bed rust, which has been a problem on these models has been kept to a minimum since I have always had a topper on it and kept it garaged when not in use. My son now has his eye on it, so it is time for me to step into the present.
" why preach to the choir. We all knowing blessedneed to educate the ignorant"
Wow. Your scary.
I don't know how your regional market is for full sized pickups and/or Toyotas, but if you can get a Tundra for 24000 thats great. Don't forget sales tax (of which we don't have to pay in Oregon) Go get one man, trust me you'll love it!!
This is a forum to discuss the truck (it's positives AND negatives) not play monday morning quarter back with a case of sour grapes.
The Constitution protects your right to show your $ss to the world, but wear your white sheets somewhere else.
Yes, Toyota is a "foreign" name, but the people who build them live in or near Princeton, Indiana - not Saltillo, Mexico City or Silao, Mexico, nor in Ontario ...
Should be easy to follow that an old technology like pushrod motors gets better fuel economy and equal acceleration than the lightweight Tundra.
I guess everyone in the US should drive American cars and the big three should not bother exporting to any country with an auto industry beause every other country should be as patriotic as Americans and buy their own automobiles only.
There are reasons why Russian and Eastern European cars were such pieces of [non-permissible content removed]. Not having free enterprise and open market competition is a big one.
Protectionism works about as well as socialism.
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"Why would you buy a vehicle not made in the
USA.You live in the USA, go to move to china if you
want a foreign vehicle.I work for a union shop
anybody pulling up in a foreign truck and the iron
workers turn it into scrap metal.keep americans
working buy American."
part of being american, as you so proudly claim to be, is the option of choice. And to save you from furtherexpressing your ignorance, the Tundra is 100% Indiana built. i think the issue here is your fear of "others",no so much where a truck is built. get over it, for DECADES american manufacturers have been producing piece of [non-permissible content removed] cars, thats why japanese makers got a
stronghold in the 80s. if american union quality would have been reasonable, more people would support USA builders. I would never buy a piece of [non-permissible content removed] for the sake of supporting an American family -that family wont be paying for repair
costs. FYI, i am going to be buying a new GMC, not becasue its "american", rather its a good value with, i hope, greatlyimproved reliability. i dont want to rip on you, but when people make claims as you did, i makes "americans" look
stupid.
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"I thinkin the long run the ford is a better value and has a better resale.ford and chevy have been makingtrucks for years in the usa, you don't see to manyold toyotas on the road and if you do the're allrusted."
ok, again, let me inform you of the facts. you see TONS of old toyotas on the road (70's and 80's)! the reason you dont see 40's, 50's, and 60's is becasue toyota didnt make stuff back then. ever heard of the toyota 22r motor? without a doubt, most bulletproof engine ever built. not uncommon for 200,000 plus miles on original engine. Toyotas also do have a better esale than any american truck, you have no argument there. ill give you one thing though, older toyos do rust, but the are mechanically superior to older american stuff. i just want to re-educate you to further your knowledge base....
Tundra-bad
You-good
Can we all get back to discussing the truck and leave all this crap to another topic list. We'll call it [non-permissible content removed] and bitching. Cool?
Thanks
It just bugs you that the Tundra whipped
up on the big 3 in those performance tests, doesnt it? The fact that it was faster and accelrated faster while towing except for 2 big 3 v8's reall gets you.
All you spout is lies and myths. Get a clue.
You say the big three trucks have a higher resale value then Toyota trucks. Your wrong.
Why dont you for once provide some numbers to back up your BS? I dont think ANYONE is going to buy your crap until you post some reilable sources to back up your claims.
I guess it whipped up on the big three if you throw out the acceleration test it lost to the Ford and tied with the Chevy 5.3L. And if you ignore that it gets stomped by the Dakota in price and acceleration, its most direct true market competitor.
Funny how you guys rave about how it gets EPA certification as a zero emissions vehicle, but then when the EPA fuel economy ratings come out and Tundra is worse than Chevy full size, all of a sudden the EPA test is bogus.
Go ahead and buy one. It's your money.
Curley, I've bought some of those junky, abused government trucks at auction that you refer to. Many are falling apart at just 40,000 miles. But the 32 valve OHC Tundra engine is a high rpm engine to be coddled, and would have no chance under the flogging foot of a government employee.
Guess what, the Big Three do make some very decent cars and trucks nowadays that can stand their own without your help slamming on the imports. So put away the baseball bat. Defending what don't need defending is actually making what you're defending look worse. A bunch of mean hairy Hell's Angels ranting and raving about their Softtails in a Yamaha store kinda turns people off Harleys, if you know what I mean.
And for that guy who works for the US goverment,I don't know what I'd rather have protecting me an F17 stealth fighter and some cruise missiles,maybe an air craft carrier like the Ronald Reagan or a nuclear sub or maybe you "d rather have a fleet of tundras thats your choice,
I bought a new T-100 in '95, SR5 4wd extracab, fairly loaded for $23,500. It's been a very good pickup, and my 4th Toyota. A few months ago, I made the last loan payment, and my wife and I were discussing what vehicle we would buy next. We were seriously considering waiting for a Tundra, but when I saw that it wasn't much bigger than my truck, particularly the back seat, we went out and bought a 99 4Runner, kept the T-100, and sold our '91 Rodeo. The 4Runner came with equipment not available for the Tundra, yet, and dealers wouldn't laugh at offers less than sticker price.
My local dealer did offer to let me drive a new Tundra, with a 2 week wait on the test-drive list.
My T-100 still books out at $15k trade-in and
$20k retail on Kelly Blue Book, just as an example of how Toyota's trucks hold their value...