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probably no worse than the head gasket problems the Toyotas trucks are famous for."
Oh? Any confirmed incidents of a Toyota's head gasket causing the vehicle to slide through an intersection smack into the side of a dynamite truck?
... Yeah, we're having fun with GM's ABS brake problems, Mister 'Head Gasket'. Toyota's problems are over, while GM's are just beginning.
Turn-about is fair play, Quadrunner.
;P
(Heaaaartbeat of Uh-Meri-kuhhh...)
"...#3 of 532: quadrunner500 (quadrunner500) Fri 01 Jan '99 (11:13 PM)
That's a lot of praise for a truck not yet here,
and when it does arrive, remember it is not a full
size truck you can compare to F150's."
.. But just above in message #522, Quadrunner reponds:
"...The F150 XLT Sportside, like any
sportside, is a play truck. They have lower
payloads than full size."
So, Quadrunner... Can we compare the Tundra as a full-size truck to the F-150, or just SOME F-150s? If true, you admit that the Tundra is closer to full-size than some F-150s? *Who* has a problem with size? >;]
You appear to be at the crossroads of a dichotomy headed towards hypocrisy.
Does anybody else find this to be a problem. If not, how do you manage to get around this problem.
Other than this one problem I have with the truck, it is pretty sweet.
Potential Buyer
Comments?
In response to 536. I ordered my Limited in March 99 and was told I would first see it in September 99. So I was very surprised when the dealer called and told me my truck was in.I supposely got the first Limited in the midwest region (right).
Every day I drive the Tundra I like it more. I would never go back to one of the big three. I have owned trucks SUV's or cars from all three.
Tuck.
Back to the original topic. I am the past owner of a 96 t-100 sr5 extra cab 4x4 pu. While it was smaller than others, not dakota, it was perect for my family at the time, and the driving position could not be better for me, and I am 6'-5" tall and 270lbs. It was great looking in the extra cab 4x4 only, and ran perfect for the 45000 miles i had it, the head gaskets the only problem. My brother in law now has over 75000 miles on it with only I problem that was covered by toyota.
so what am i getting at, only someone who wants the toyota size, quality, and resale will buy this truck, and have smiles on our faces all day.
although, the back seat used in production trucks does suck. the seat used in the show truck was excellent. aftermarket to the rescue soon. If i needed to tow my house with me, I would have a ford powerstroke, but I dont need to tow my house.
It is perfectly sized.
I was told(back in June) the Limiteds will be available in August. I live in North Carolina and regularly visit 3 local dealers(helps pass the time until my Tundra arrives)...no Limited has been spotted yet.
I buy trucks to be trucks. Do not want that 'car like' ride in a truck. Nothing worse than a willowy suspension with a load or towing!
For all the comment about the limited slip not being offered, get a life. Give Toyota time and it will be offered. Just cough over the extra cash and go the 4x4 and learn to drive it. I've been around the world and the Toyota Landcruiser models (std. and pickup)are used without this option. If you gotta have the limited slip and need a new truck now, then buy a Tacoma or go buy the GMC. At least the parts can be found in the smaller communities that do not have a Toyota dealership in sight!
Thanks for all the comments about your Tundra's, just sitting on the fence trying to decide which bucket to pour out my pockets.
KirbyT
I believe that the dealers will be even more inflexible with negotiations on the Limiteds. Fortunately, I am position to wait until the sellers market turns into a dealers market.
I am curious if anyone knows about the new Tundra based SUV due out within the next 1-2 years. I have driven the 4runner but it is somewhat small and does not have enough towing capacity (otherwise it is great but well overpriced in comparison to the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the V8 given the difference in abilities).
I do not know any details of the SUV but I did find a "spy" photo at www.thecarconnection.com
At the site click on "photo gallery" and then click on "caught in the web". There are a couple of photos with a little text. When I ordered my Tundra, the dealer told me the new SUV will replace the Forerunner. I have read elsewhere that it will replace the Landcruiser. Whatever happens, I am interested in seeing it up close.
Todd
Tuck
Published specifications for ground clearance have always been nebulous, and fudged.
With a live axle in front, you may start out with less clearance under the differential. But when you consider that unlike an independent set-up which loses clearance as it compresses, the live axle maintains the clearance it does have as it articulates over obstacles.
You've been asked directly what it means and have generally avoided the question. We're not finding any satisfaction in trusting in your secret belief of what 'Full-size' means. Unless you've defined the ANSI and SAE standards for what properties constitutes a 'Full-Size Pickup', perhaps you can clam up about the 'Full-size' issue.
...And we'll promise to do the same, friend.
I did notice a slight flutter in the steering wheel. But this does not seem to be consistant on every vehicle.
Nice Truck. I am torn between the Tundra and the Silverado.
Arguing a subject that has no parameter. Dakota considered a compact? T-100? Tundra? Who cares? The Tundra is close enough in size to the other half-tons for comparison anaysis.
Has anyone seen info yet on an aftermarket back seat for the Tundra. As far as i am concerned, that is the only weak spot of this truck. Even my 6 year says it is uncomfortable.
why didnt they leave the seat from the show truck, did anyone else see it. It was nice.
Quadrunner said shorter wheelbase was one of his SIZE things which disqualified the Tundra from being a "full-size". Okay, fair enough. The Tundra Reg Cab Long Bed is 4.7" shorter than his very own Silverado Reg Cab Long Bed. But hold on, his truck's wheelbase is 5.5" shorter than the F-150 Reg Cab Long Bed. Surely he will have an argument for why this doesn't disqualify his truck from being a "full-size".
But really, why go on with this silliness? He truly believes his Chevy truck is better than the Tundra. We can fault him for being a little confused, but he is entitled to his opinion.
Now, on with the banter...
IMHO, I like the way the Toy drives....smoother, quieter, seemingly faster, more comfortable driving position, less cab shake. However, the Chevy definitely has a clear edge in room---I don't think that the Toy can really carry adults in the rear for any distance comfortably and without my knees on the dashboard trying to accomodate them.
Also the Chevy only has 3 doors with the third being on the passenger side with the 4 door version out at sometime this fall....truthfully this is much behind their competitors. The stereo is really not that much better than the Toys and the cassete and cd parts are separate (seems like an afterthought or lack of desire to incorporate both into one--this is probably a result of the Toyota being double DIN and the Chevy being somewhat smaller).
Ultimately the toyota serves somewhat different needs than the Chevy...I believe it is intended for less work and more daily use...hauling kids, PWC's, plywood, trips, driving around town, etc.
My brother has owned Chevys for as long as I know and has had good reliability and even if something breaks the parts have been relatively available and minor repairs can be made yourself-----the OHC 32V motor is great but we'll see how it holds up to prolonged work in the future.
One things for certain---I sure as heck won't buy a FORD after my previous experiences-----but that is how we all make our decisions....based on our own experience and those we trust. Some are loyal to ford and have good experience. I cannot argue with that and don't intend to.
I think that this site is intended to make honest comparisons between the Tundra and its competitors as well as the owner experiences of Tundras,etc.
In other words, the posts should be focused on the topic ( even though I strayed in my above statement).
Until I hear more out of new Tundra owners I still am undecided.
Thanks
606
THE DEALER TOLD ME IF I CHOOSE TO KEEP
THE TRUCK AFTER LEASE END I WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY
FOR ANY MILEAGE THAT I WENT OVER, IS THAT A BUNCHOF @#$^ OR IS THAT TRUE?
Yes and no. Most leases will not require you to pay any excess mileage penalty if purchasing the vehicle. But remember that the buyout price will be decide at the initial signing. So you will be paying more for a vehicle than it's calculated value with the assumed 12,000 or 15,000 miles per year allowance. But woe to you if you do go over and decide you do not want the unit. Those extra miles are not cheap ones! I have had relatives and friends that have had to just park the unit to keep the mileage in check.
Hope this helps.
As I have stated many times before, the Chevy is a fine truck and a good package IMHO. But must you put down Tundra just to make yours look better? Perhaps you enjoy a good-natured debate? Or are you looking to incite a flame war? Okay by me. Open another Topic called "Tundra vs. Silverado" and bring you M-1 carbine. This one here is a place for Tundra owners and prospective owners to share notes, not the Guadalcanal.
A $1420.00 (MSPR) Option.
Tuck
Someone tell me a better investment than that!
but then, in 97, i made a big mistake and bought my dad's 1993 v6 chevy blazer for $11,000. now it's worth maybe $5000 two years later. i wont go into all the problems, but the rig sucks and so does the investment.
so i'm selling the chevy to help pay for my new sr5 v8 tundra. sure, the tundra costs the same as three [non-permissible content removed] blazers, but the truck rips! I'd forgotten how great toyotas are -- solid ride, quiet, responsive. and i'm fishing, hunting and skiing in comfort and style. why settle for less? compare the tundra to any domestic truck (the toyota v8 engine is the only v8 engine made in the US... ironic, huh?) and you see the quality difference (and don't forget, the entire truck is made in indiana!)
I know my tundra is going to hold its value like all other toyotas do -- way better than its competitors.
Eric Oster
I don't think that the Tundra V8 is made in the US. I pretty sure that it is made in Japan and shipped to Indiana for assembly in the Tundra. But don't get me wrong, I think that is a good thing. The Tundra 4.7L V8 is the same basic engine as the 4.7L V8 in the Toyota Landcruiser and the Lexus LX470, which are still made in Japan as far as I know.
Thanks
The Access cab bed is 76.5 in long 61.2 in wide
16.7 in high
The bed is bolted solidly to the frame at 4 locations (2 front /2 rear). I believe 3 crossmembers (mounted under the bed) are to rest on the frame between the bolts, providing support for the bed when loaded. In fact, Toyota has installed rubber bushings into the these crossmembers so that they rest on the frame.
The problem I see is that these crossmembers do not properly set on the frame, creating stresses to the weldments which hold the bed together along the sides. The gap I have seen is between 1/8" and 1/4".
Bottom line- It is in fact the only truck bed on the market that was either engineered wrong, or not properly built to spec. Every Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Nissan and Tacoma (if that counts) has the entire bed solidly resting on the frame!!!!!
I have looked at over 25 Tundras in N.J, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois and Missouri and have seen this with every one of them.
Why don't some of you guys take a look at it and let me know what your thoughts are.
Ed
Anyway, I have owned a few GM products in the past and I can tell you they were the biggest pieces of junk I have ever owned. I would never buy another. So what the only way GM employees will do commit to building a better product is to have a better contract? Weren't they getting paid all along. So if they are not happy they are to build junk. Now that's a nice job to have.
This is the first Toyota I have owned and I love it more each day. I was once the true 'Buy American' person and would give people I knew a hard time when they would buy a 'foreign' car but that has all changed when I had GM cars going back to the dealership many times, a Chrysler that lost the auto trans at 57k miles.