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Toyota Tundra 2000

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  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    I ordered mine with the TRD off-road package and had the dealer double check, no problem
    Also made sure there were no anti-lock brakes.
  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    Since you actually build Tundra's maybe you can answer this; why doesn't the Tundra have the aggressive "riding high" look like the other Toyota 4X4's?
  • joeldjoeld Member Posts: 3
    I just got my SR5 Access Cab 4WD Tundra, from here in Northern CA. I've been looking for 6 months, and had twice almost bought the GMC (same as Chevy) Xtra Cab, but I just hated the bench seats (the stupid center section is not at all usable, even for my 8 year old). And the bucket seats were just not comfortable to me. That and the 3 door thing kept me from buying it. My best price on the 4WD was about 28900 through a friend of my father in law.

    In June, the Tundra came out and my wife (who hates my Ford F250 Diesel) took me down to see the Nissan (too small) and the Tundra. The test drive was all it really took. It was, by far, the quietest of all trucks. The bed size was almost too small (short bed) but inside is quite comfortable, actually a little bigger than my 84 F250 (front to back) but a little smaller side to side. Kids ride fine in the back (they chose the Tundra over the GMC, it seems that the GMC seat was a little too tilted for them). I have noticed it start "funny" like it needs 2-3 seconds to crank. But at least I don't wait for the glow plugs.

    I probably paid too much (MSRP, 28995 exactly) but after checking the internet and the closest Toyota dealers, they all had the same story .. "We can't get enough to fill our orders, no discounts" At least I didn't pay the dealer markup. It also had about $1500 worth of extra's I probably wouldn't order. One problem...my wife drove back from the in-laws, and we had a big fight about her driving down the freeway at 65, I said keep it under 55 for the first 500 miles. After the fight, she had her eye on the speedometer (me too) and she had it at 53, then a CHP pulled us over and said he clocked us at 72. Now we told him our story and he let us go, so I don't know if he just wanted to see the new truck (his first comment was "New Truck? trying to see what it can do?). But I'll need to check it later and see if he was just jerking our chain 'cause its a RED truck. It didn't seem like we were passing anyone.
  • hall2hall2 Member Posts: 40
    Did you get running board, bedliner, or tonneau cover? The running board is really expensive. Is there any aftermarket running board out there that you know of that will fit the Tundra. I got a black one just a few weeks a go at MRSP (28347) in MN. Love it.
  • leewleew Member Posts: 32
    joeld - Congrats on the truck! Just got mine (red also) on Friday. I too am keeping it around 55 for the break in period. Hard to do when you've got so much power under the hood!

    hall2 - I've been looking for aftermarket accessories for the tundra as well. So far all the shops I have spoken with say that stuff for the Tundra isn't available yet. I've been looking for a bug guard with no luck. My next step is to contact the dealer, though I get the feeling they'll want a lot of dough for theirs.
  • leewleew Member Posts: 32
    Anybody know why there are so few Tundras (at least in my area) with ABS available? Is it just not a popular option with full sized owners? There was one on the lot when I got mine, but I figured I'd save a few bucks and not get it. I've never used ABS before and I've never been one to lock up my breaks is a panic.
  • scoobymommyscoobymommy Member Posts: 1
    I was wondering about towing with the Tundra. Someone had asked me about towing a boat and the boat pulling the truck around. They say it is not big enough to handle the weight like a F-150 or a Chevy. They said it would sway and get tugged around. Do you think this is true? Can it truly handle the road like the heavier ones? I don't know much about trucks and I have owned Toyota's in the past. I realize the quality, but do I want to buy this over the others if my sole purpose is towing a boat or trailer?
  • zbad71zbad71 Member Posts: 226
    I towed a 3800 lb bass boat with a 1996 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 Ext Cab with V6 Manual 5 Speed. I had "some" problems on hills, but other than that it pulled the boat great. (If I have to downshift, I consider it an annoyance so actually to most people the truck probably pulled as good as any)

    I traded that truck after 47k miles from new. Never so much as had to change a light bulb while I owned it. I only traded it for more pulling power *so I wouldnt have to downshift*. I traded for an F150 4X4 with 4.6l. Daily, I wished to have my Tacoma back! That Ford was the biggest dog.

    I now own a 99 Z71 and am pretty happy with it, but to compare V6 in the Tacoma and the V8 in my GM, I would say that although my Z71 does tow better, with the 5.3l V8, I expected a bigger difference than there is. That V6 Tacoma pulled pretty darn good considering it was a V6.

    All this to say that, I think the claims you have heard are bogus. Especially if you get a V8 Tundra, you should have VERY LITTLE IF ANY problem pulling a boat. Definately no worse than one of the "big three".

    This is coming from a proud owner of a 99 Z71.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Don't be so sure about that. Which axle do you have Zbad71? I have the 4.10 with the 5.3L, 8,000 pound tow rating, and pulling a 4000 lb trailer is an effortless proposition, even in the mountains. The 4.7L Tundra wouldn't be a problem I'm sure. And while it has the same torque as the 5.3L GM, it doesn't have a tow/haul transmission mode to help it from feeling gutless off the bottom.
  • zbad71zbad71 Member Posts: 226
    I have the 3:73 gear. Although there may be some difference on hills with the gearing difference, there is very little difference overall between the 3:73 and the 4:10, with the same size tires. Two of my buddies have the exact same truck with the 4:10. We have "switched trucks" for a day, and I would say that honestly, with the exception of slightly higher rpm highway speeds, I saw no pulling capability differences. Now if the 4:10 gear had smaller tires, yeah, there would be a significant ratio advantage.

    As far as the Tacoma V6, you have to realize that the Tacoma still has almost as much torque and horsepower as the Chevy 4.3l which has been a dang good pulling V6, but the Tacoma is much ligher (weight, not strength) framed.

    Those Toyotas are way under-estimated by the "American Proud". Frankly, I know I could have driven my old Tacoma 300,000 miles with little or no real repairs. Thats how solid it was and how confident I was in it. I like my new Z71, but had I not needed that little extra power for towing my boat with a comfort zone, I would have never parted with that Tacoma.

    I was raised in a very American Proud, buy Chevy attitude family. However, when I bought that Tacoma (first foreign truck I owned) my Dad did agree that they are darn good trucks. He just would never buy one because he believes in buying American, even at the risk of having a lot of quality problems. The quality of service and quality of product just aren't as important to the American "big three." Chevy has done me better than the other two, but even they have not been as concerned about customer satisfaction as Toyota was.

    I too hate to admit it, but I know from first hand experience so I can't deny it.

    BTW: I don't have any trouble at all towing with my Z71. I did not mean to imply that the Toyota compared favorably with its capacity. I just stated that with the difference in displacement, I expected the difference in tow capability would have been tremendously greater. Also, with knowing how well the Tacoma did for a V6, I can't see the Tundra V8 being worse, and actually the seat of the pants feel of driving the Tundra V8, I thought it had more stop light to stop light acceleration than the 5.3l Chevy.

    Just my opinion and by no means gospel.

    Take care all.
  • hall2hall2 Member Posts: 40
    I just got my "under-the-rail" bed liner from the dealer at $253.00 + tax.(dealer cost, that's what they told me). I searched at www.carpoint.com, they have these accessories as an option at a lower price. For the bed liner $170.00. That's almost 50% cheaper. can anyone tell me on how to purchase the option from Carpoint.com without ordering the truck?
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    It sounds like you miss your old Tacoma, but if you had kept it, no way would you have gone 300,000 miles with repairing some gaskets, along the way. It's a well documented design problem with the six.
  • bygbribygbri Member Posts: 3
    I've spoke with dealers here in So. Ca., they do not know of any offerings from TRD for the Tundra.
    What's available? GOT MONEY! and ready to buy.
    Silverado is nice but, no tooo many problems!
  • joeldjoeld Member Posts: 3
    No- I didn't get any of those things, but the truck was originally ordered with a bedliner,
    but I was told the factory bedliners were on
    backorder.

    Has anyone found a "bed mat" for this truck.
    Also, I want to put on a shell, any ideas?.

    I've got 450 miles on mine now: here's some more
    feedback

    1) The armrest in the bench seat rattles side to
    side A LOT if no one is sitting in the passenger
    seat, especially on moderately bumpy roads. This
    is my biggest gripe.
    2) The power is really really good in this truck.
    It is hard to keep it under 65.
    3) The mirrors are also really good.

    Joel
  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    Well maybe we're getting things here in Kansas sooner than California for a change.My Tundra was ordered with the TRD package almost a month ago and just found out the wait shouldn't be too much longer. Buy a GM product? Not in a million years, especially after looking at the design of their new trucks, they need some new blood in their design department.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Zbad

    do remember your new truck is a lot heavier than that Tacoma was. I know a lot of s10 and ranger pickups with v-6's that will run circles around full sized chevy's and Ford's with large v8s. probably the fastest truck i've ridden in was a little Ford RAnger Splash...
  • toyloyaltoyloyal Member Posts: 17
    Been waiting for Tundra for nearly 18 months. I'm somewhat disappointed.
  • toyloyaltoyloyal Member Posts: 17
    Bad blind spot over driver's left shoulder. Sound system sucks. Clock poorly positioned. It would help if Toyota would make a sound system as good as their vehicles.
  • toyloyaltoyloyal Member Posts: 17
    I'm really starting to think that Toyota is loosing their edge. Their idea of customer service and satisfaction is a series of pattern responses. ie: "We thank you for your input and we will put in on file." They don't address the issue. I asked if they could put the premium sound system in a Tundra SR-5. Now how much trouble could it be to take one or all Toyota Tundra's and put the premium sound system in it. They're made in Princeton,IN. I don't think the dashboard configuration is that much different between an SR-5 and a Limited. Just another corporate screw job, "If you want this sound system, you have to buy all this other stuff you don't want". Why? Just because someone in a corporate board room wanted it that way. Nissan will put a 100 watt BOSE system in any Nissan you want and Silverado is starting to look good to me and I've been with Toyota since 1984. Camry is no longer #1. Toyota is no longer concerned about customer satisfaction they just blow smoke up your rectal cavity when you ask them about these things or they just ignore you. Toyota is not what it used to be. Toyota is truely Americanized. Quality slipping and corporate greed over consumer loyalty.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    toyloyal,
    What "premium" system are you referring to? Both the SR5 V8 and the Limited V8 come with the same Six-speaker stereo(I know the brochure and some pricing sites note only a 4 speaker stereo on the SR5 V8). The four speaker stereo comes on the regular cab models only...not the access cab models. The only other option I am aware of is the 6-disc in-dash changer. I think the stereo is fine for a factory system. If you really want a great system, you have to go after-market. Please provide more info regarding your stereo problem. thanks.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    toyloyal,
    I meant to say the 6 speaker sytems are options on all SR5 Tundras not just the access cab models.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    The SR5 Access cab 4x4 V8 model I looked at said 4 speaker cassette/cd stereo system on the window sticker.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Every SR5 Access Tundra on our "local" lots(3 dealers) show the DZ package(a $250 option) having six speakers & a CD player. The sticker shows the STANDARD stereo(am/fm w/cassette) with 4 speakers. I was referring to the AVAILABLE option packages in my previous post. I was responding to toyloyal's post about a different stereo system available with the Limited models. My father-in-law has the Access Cab V8 2WD and his sticker shows the DZ package with 6 speakers as well. Mine arrives soon, I sure hope it has the six speaker system.
  • kevhuntskevhunts Member Posts: 11
    From the book...
    4 speakers are standard on SR5 Access cabs,
    6 speakers are optional
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    That is correct.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    I wish they would have had the limited-slip option available to begin with. It sure would have saved me a couple thousand dollars. I had to buy the 4X4 instead because of my occasional light off-road use. Patience is not one of my virtues! Waiting for my Tundra to arrive is killing me!
  • toyloyaltoyloyal Member Posts: 17
    I've been buying Toyota's since 1984. I can't recall a decent sound system, ever, in a Toyota.
    They say they have 3 grades of sound systems in the Tundra. 4 speaker standard (which I've never seen and only heard of).(This is what you want if you are going for after market, but it's like the premium sound system, "unavailable"). The Delux with 6 speakers and CD (which is on all of the Tundra's)(this is what you get whether you want it or not) and the 6 speaker Premium with 6 disc in dash changer (which I don't think really exists, never seen it, never heard it). Ahh, marketing. There is only one sound system in the Tundra. Bait and switch. Toyota builds the finest quality vehicle in the world. They are just no longer consumer oriented. We got all this quiet in the Tundra, how about a decent sound system to go with it? The delux 6 speaker is only OK.
  • kuz1kuz1 Member Posts: 10
    The six speaker system sounds a little better than the four. The four sounds like the one I have in my T100 now no changes! The six I believe is the same placement as mine now but they added one on each topside of the doors. The Limited I just order has the 6-disc CD changer in it that I have yet to see in all the ones I have driven that being 6 different trucks. The interior is the same as the T100 to a "T" and the box is the same also other than some changes on the skins on the inside of the box. If a radio ever made a difference in my determination of my vehicles I would still be riding a bike.
  • mbs17mbs17 Member Posts: 10
    I have seen and heard the "premium" system. Not a bad system for the upcharge, however, can do better in aftermarket.
  • walters1walters1 Member Posts: 2
    To the union worker sounding off in June:
    I am on my third Chevy/GMC pickup. I am going to buy a Tundra before the end of the year. My current Chevy required a motor at less than 80,000 miles due to nothing more than poor engineering standards at GM. Even though the Tundra is US built I would still make this choice if the truck were Japanese. I don't care one bit about UAW workers or GM executives. I've spent a lot of money keeping my last two Chevy's running and neither the UAW nor GM has offered me an apology. GM needs to get their act together or go home and draw unemployment. We own a Mazda, which we bought new ten years ago, that has almost 200,000 miles still running and driving like the day it was new. All we've done is change the timing belt, tires, plugs, oil and muffler. NOT the usual GM routine of water pump, air conditioner compressor, starter, transmission, etc. UAW: Wake up! I'll spend my next money on a Toyota (and yes, I realize it is not a Mazda). And I don't have any more faith in Ford or Dodge compared to a Chevy.
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    OK, which way do I need to go??? I like leather, but at a $1420 premium??? Is it worth it?? I can get basic captin chairs for $395. Of course they don't have the neat 8-way power.
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    OK, I haven't seen anything about a place to hold your change. I know, it sounds kind of sissyish, but the SuperDuty F250 has change holders in the center armrest/bin. Any news for the Tundra???
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    OK, one more question for tonight then off to bed. Does it have a power antenna, or is it just up in the air all of the time???
  • coffeycoffey Member Posts: 7
    I have seen a change holder in the center console of the captains chairs for the Tundra. I think it is more interesting that today I can buy a 2WD FORD Super Duty Camper special w/diesel w/extended cab (not a crew, darn) @ a $3000+ discount, that makes it about the same price as an equivalently equipped 2WD access cab that the dealer is insisting on getting MSRP. I think I am going to seriously consider specifications for $, rather than just specifications per say.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    The mazda is made by ford and is essentailly a Ford Ranger,and the new tundra is also made in america and I think by UAW workers,although I don't know if your mazda was built by ford 10 years ago.Most of the problems with trucks I have been reading throughout all these topics has mainly been with the gm products.But all vehicles can have problems including Toyotas.
  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    Toyota blew it. The Tundra has 1 inch less leg room front to rear and 3 inches less side to side than the T-100. The Tundra also has 3 or 400 lbs. LESS Gross. I compared the my T-100 brochure to the Tundra brochure. Not to mention the straight seatback. Keep your money in your pocket until they fix it, and work out the first model year bugs. They also plan to produce a SUV based on the Tundra in a year or so.
  • joestapletonjoestapleton Member Posts: 15
    From reading all the discussions I would like to give some thoughts and would really like to hear from Tundra Owners. My perspective:
    * The back seat is poor BUT the Turning radius is Great. Try the Chev x cab or Ford,Not good.
    * The 6 speaker stereo is no better than my T-100 which is so,so and doesn't compare with the "American Trucks".
    *The Cab is ultra Quiet,The engine Smooth,Powerful and hopefully fuel efficient.
    * It is not too big of a vehicle to park or handle.
    * The suspension is smooth and braking is great.
    * The fit and finish is Toyota supurb.
    Comments- No this truck is not the ultimate 1/2 ton but it is Very nice. Toyota why didn't you put Daytime Running Lights and Anti-Lock brakes on all trucks for Safety. Lord knows we already pay a high price for Toyota's because of their Quality so include all the latest Safety features. No I don't think Toyota will win over loyal Ford and Chevy owners as they tend to stick with their trucks even with all the problems and because the Tundra on appearance, interior room and sound system isn't as nice as it's "American" counterparts. It is the hidden Engineering and Quality that we owners have come to enjoy. American Toyota workers please keep the Quality tradition.
  • bashbash Member Posts: 1
    Here is SoCal the dealers all seem to be insisting on MSRP. Anybody in the L.A. area seen anything different?
  • joestapletonjoestapleton Member Posts: 15
    I DO NOT believe we will see reasonable prices until production catches up with demand. I will wait.
  • myersedmyersed Member Posts: 102
    Has anyone other than me noticed that the truck beds on the Tundra floats above the truck frame. It is the only truck manufactured that has that defect!
    The bed is bolted solidly to the frame at 4 locations (2 front /2 rear). I believe 3 crossmembers (mounted under the bed) are to rest on the frame between the bolts, providing support for the bed when loaded. In fact, Toyota has installed rubber bushings into the these crossmembers so that they rest on the frame.

    The problem I see is that these crossmembers do not properly set on the frame, creating stresses to the weldments which hold the bed together along the sides. The gap I have seen is between 1/8" and 1/4".

    Bottom line- It is in fact the only truck bed on the market that was either engineered wrong, or not properly built to spec. Every Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Nissan and Tacoma (if that counts) has the bed solidly resting on the frame!!!!!

    I have looked at over 25 Tundras in N.J, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois and Missouri and have seen this with every one of them.

    Why don't some of you guys take a look at it and let me know what your thoughts are.

    Ed
  • toyloyaltoyloyal Member Posts: 17
    To: myersed.

    Do you think they may have done the bed that way to keep the ride quiet? Very good observation and very good information. Toyloyal
  • jcm1jcm1 Member Posts: 48
    ok...I love great stereos....but if anybody wants great tunes and as heard great tunes knows the only choice is to rip out the factory stuff and put in aftermarket stuff. If you don't want to deal with that, then tunes aren't that important to you....and thats ok.
  • 3peasinapod3peasinapod Member Posts: 26
    Longo Toyota 500.00 disc. off MSRP.
    Ventura Toyota 950.00 disc. off Msrp.
    Toyota Town of Simi Valley. If you order one,1500.00 over invoice. So I'm told?
  • 3peasinapod3peasinapod Member Posts: 26
    I noticed that the Tundra does not come with a limited slip differntial? Is this important for towing? A differntial shop told me yes, Toyota said no. There maybe a kit to change the differntial to a limited slip in the future.
    Cost:600.00
    Should Toyota have placed it in the Tundra since most of the big 3 offer it as an option for towing purposes? Toyota is getting closer, but is not quite there yet!
  • 3peasinapod3peasinapod Member Posts: 26
    After test driving both vehicles (4X2). For quality, 4dr. access,quietness,handling,trans. shifting, reliability,longer powertrain warranty,and the i-force V-8, the Tundra wins. For more interior room,performance (5.4liter eng), more options,and a limited slip differential for towing, the F150 wins.
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  • myersedmyersed Member Posts: 102
    To: Toyloyal
    Re: Bed mounting
    The rubber mounts under the bed crossmenbers should suffice to provide the necessary cushioning or noise abatement. In fact, several other trucks use the same technique. As I mentioned however, all others are solidly attached to or, are firmly resting on the truck frame. I would not think that it is intended to be off the frame.

    I was going to send a note to Toyota, but my last response to a previous request left me thinking it is a waste of my time.

    Previously (March-April 1999), I requested info on their selection of rear-end ratios particularly, if the truck was not going to be used as a hauler and, I also probed the lack of availability of a limited slip differential. Their reponse: "it was determined that rear ends selected were deemed optimum for the truck". It may be optimum for the truck (or their business profit picture) but, it is sure not optimum for me.

    I only want a 2 wheel drive which may occasionally be used to haul short distances. The AOD lockout would meet my temporary hauling needs while providing a fuel economy 2-4 MPG better. I currently drive an 81' F150 with a 302V8, Aotomatic OD (.85 ratio) and 3.24 axle. This combination has served me well at 19 MPG for the past 190,000 miles. In fact I was getting over 21 MPG Hwy when it was new ( the first 70,000 or so)- it's starting to get tired!. But this is my need only, not the general consensus.

    Either way, sending a note to Toyota about the bed seems to be a waste of time- from my experience.
    Ed
  • dknickdknick Member Posts: 6
    I had the same question you did about a month ago. I have been round and round with all the trucks, trying to decide which one to buy. When Toyota came out with the Tundra, I test drove it and loved the acceleration and quietness of the engine. However, I have concluded that the Tundra just seems to small and to expensive for what you get. I had made mind up to go with the F-150 but, I didnt like its looks in the front exterior or the quality of the interior.

    So, I drove the Silverado a couple of times again and liked it the best. The Silverado has the most room plus alot of extras and unique features. The Silverado seems to really be a nice truck.


    Hope this helps you decide. Everybody seems to be making nice trucks these days.
  • james24james24 Member Posts: 17
    Alot of the talk seems to keep hitting on the bigger is better theme. It all depends on what your needs are. Someone early was talking about diesl powered F series trucks and there prices. I dont know why anyone looking at these would even be considering the Tundra, or any 1/2 ton pickup for that matter. Its not apples to apples. Honestly, there isnt a 1/2 ton extracab out there that really is large enough to carry adults longer than across town, and if that is what people think they are going to find in this segment, good luck. I know that the big 3 offer many ways to equip their trucks, but Toyota went after the most popular layouts sold by all 3. So if you need something other than what the Tundra offers, go get it. Demensions are not always what they seem by the numbers. While the F-150 bigger according to epa numbers, I feel more comfortable in the Tundra front seats. And if I wanted to tow something that was 8000lbs, I wouldnt buy any 1/2 ton truck to do it in, even if the specs say it can be done.
    Just some thoughts. As the previous owner of a 96 T-100 SR5 4X4 that was flawless, I am looking forward to the new Tundra.
  • 3peasinapod3peasinapod Member Posts: 26
    Is your Silverado a 99?
    Have you had any problems with it? Most of the people I talked to who had a Chevy or GM. truck said that they always had some sort of problems with the drive train.
  • dknickdknick Member Posts: 6
    I havnt purchased a new truck yet. I am going to in about a month. I am trying to decide. Currently I have been test driving and reading the post.

    It is a tough desicion between the Tundra and the Silverado. The thing I like the most about the Tundra is the pep and smoothness of the engine.

    The people I have talked to about chevy trucks dont have any real complaints with the older modles or the 99's.

    I think it depends on who you talk too. There are different experiences with different people.

    The 2000 Silverado seemed to drive and handle fine with no vibration. Ofcourse, the engine isnt as smooth as a lexus engine but, that's is to be expected.

    For my needs, I am going with the Silverado.

    I currently own a 84 Toyota Celica. It has 202,000 miles on it. It hasnt been a perfect car. It has needed its repairs to stay going s well. I had to have 1st and 2nd gear replaced in it. No car is going to be trouble free.

    Good Luck
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