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Toyota Tundra 2000
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Also made sure there were no anti-lock brakes.
In June, the Tundra came out and my wife (who hates my Ford F250 Diesel) took me down to see the Nissan (too small) and the Tundra. The test drive was all it really took. It was, by far, the quietest of all trucks. The bed size was almost too small (short bed) but inside is quite comfortable, actually a little bigger than my 84 F250 (front to back) but a little smaller side to side. Kids ride fine in the back (they chose the Tundra over the GMC, it seems that the GMC seat was a little too tilted for them). I have noticed it start "funny" like it needs 2-3 seconds to crank. But at least I don't wait for the glow plugs.
I probably paid too much (MSRP, 28995 exactly) but after checking the internet and the closest Toyota dealers, they all had the same story .. "We can't get enough to fill our orders, no discounts" At least I didn't pay the dealer markup. It also had about $1500 worth of extra's I probably wouldn't order. One problem...my wife drove back from the in-laws, and we had a big fight about her driving down the freeway at 65, I said keep it under 55 for the first 500 miles. After the fight, she had her eye on the speedometer (me too) and she had it at 53, then a CHP pulled us over and said he clocked us at 72. Now we told him our story and he let us go, so I don't know if he just wanted to see the new truck (his first comment was "New Truck? trying to see what it can do?). But I'll need to check it later and see if he was just jerking our chain 'cause its a RED truck. It didn't seem like we were passing anyone.
hall2 - I've been looking for aftermarket accessories for the tundra as well. So far all the shops I have spoken with say that stuff for the Tundra isn't available yet. I've been looking for a bug guard with no luck. My next step is to contact the dealer, though I get the feeling they'll want a lot of dough for theirs.
I traded that truck after 47k miles from new. Never so much as had to change a light bulb while I owned it. I only traded it for more pulling power *so I wouldnt have to downshift*. I traded for an F150 4X4 with 4.6l. Daily, I wished to have my Tacoma back! That Ford was the biggest dog.
I now own a 99 Z71 and am pretty happy with it, but to compare V6 in the Tacoma and the V8 in my GM, I would say that although my Z71 does tow better, with the 5.3l V8, I expected a bigger difference than there is. That V6 Tacoma pulled pretty darn good considering it was a V6.
All this to say that, I think the claims you have heard are bogus. Especially if you get a V8 Tundra, you should have VERY LITTLE IF ANY problem pulling a boat. Definately no worse than one of the "big three".
This is coming from a proud owner of a 99 Z71.
As far as the Tacoma V6, you have to realize that the Tacoma still has almost as much torque and horsepower as the Chevy 4.3l which has been a dang good pulling V6, but the Tacoma is much ligher (weight, not strength) framed.
Those Toyotas are way under-estimated by the "American Proud". Frankly, I know I could have driven my old Tacoma 300,000 miles with little or no real repairs. Thats how solid it was and how confident I was in it. I like my new Z71, but had I not needed that little extra power for towing my boat with a comfort zone, I would have never parted with that Tacoma.
I was raised in a very American Proud, buy Chevy attitude family. However, when I bought that Tacoma (first foreign truck I owned) my Dad did agree that they are darn good trucks. He just would never buy one because he believes in buying American, even at the risk of having a lot of quality problems. The quality of service and quality of product just aren't as important to the American "big three." Chevy has done me better than the other two, but even they have not been as concerned about customer satisfaction as Toyota was.
I too hate to admit it, but I know from first hand experience so I can't deny it.
BTW: I don't have any trouble at all towing with my Z71. I did not mean to imply that the Toyota compared favorably with its capacity. I just stated that with the difference in displacement, I expected the difference in tow capability would have been tremendously greater. Also, with knowing how well the Tacoma did for a V6, I can't see the Tundra V8 being worse, and actually the seat of the pants feel of driving the Tundra V8, I thought it had more stop light to stop light acceleration than the 5.3l Chevy.
Just my opinion and by no means gospel.
Take care all.
What's available? GOT MONEY! and ready to buy.
Silverado is nice but, no tooo many problems!
but I was told the factory bedliners were on
Has anyone found a "bed mat" for this truck.
Also, I want to put on a shell, any ideas?.
I've got 450 miles on mine now: here's some more
1) The armrest in the bench seat rattles side to
side A LOT if no one is sitting in the passenger
seat, especially on moderately bumpy roads. This
is my biggest gripe.
2) The power is really really good in this truck.
It is hard to keep it under 65.
3) The mirrors are also really good.
do remember your new truck is a lot heavier than that Tacoma was. I know a lot of s10 and ranger pickups with v-6's that will run circles around full sized chevy's and Ford's with large v8s. probably the fastest truck i've ridden in was a little Ford RAnger Splash...
What "premium" system are you referring to? Both the SR5 V8 and the Limited V8 come with the same Six-speaker stereo(I know the brochure and some pricing sites note only a 4 speaker stereo on the SR5 V8). The four speaker stereo comes on the regular cab models only...not the access cab models. The only other option I am aware of is the 6-disc in-dash changer. I think the stereo is fine for a factory system. If you really want a great system, you have to go after-market. Please provide more info regarding your stereo problem. thanks.
I meant to say the 6 speaker sytems are options on all SR5 Tundras not just the access cab models.
4 speakers are standard on SR5 Access cabs,
6 speakers are optional
They say they have 3 grades of sound systems in the Tundra. 4 speaker standard (which I've never seen and only heard of).(This is what you want if you are going for after market, but it's like the premium sound system, "unavailable"). The Delux with 6 speakers and CD (which is on all of the Tundra's)(this is what you get whether you want it or not) and the 6 speaker Premium with 6 disc in dash changer (which I don't think really exists, never seen it, never heard it). Ahh, marketing. There is only one sound system in the Tundra. Bait and switch. Toyota builds the finest quality vehicle in the world. They are just no longer consumer oriented. We got all this quiet in the Tundra, how about a decent sound system to go with it? The delux 6 speaker is only OK.
I am on my third Chevy/GMC pickup. I am going to buy a Tundra before the end of the year. My current Chevy required a motor at less than 80,000 miles due to nothing more than poor engineering standards at GM. Even though the Tundra is US built I would still make this choice if the truck were Japanese. I don't care one bit about UAW workers or GM executives. I've spent a lot of money keeping my last two Chevy's running and neither the UAW nor GM has offered me an apology. GM needs to get their act together or go home and draw unemployment. We own a Mazda, which we bought new ten years ago, that has almost 200,000 miles still running and driving like the day it was new. All we've done is change the timing belt, tires, plugs, oil and muffler. NOT the usual GM routine of water pump, air conditioner compressor, starter, transmission, etc. UAW: Wake up! I'll spend my next money on a Toyota (and yes, I realize it is not a Mazda). And I don't have any more faith in Ford or Dodge compared to a Chevy.
* The back seat is poor BUT the Turning radius is Great. Try the Chev x cab or Ford,Not good.
* The 6 speaker stereo is no better than my T-100 which is so,so and doesn't compare with the "American Trucks".
*The Cab is ultra Quiet,The engine Smooth,Powerful and hopefully fuel efficient.
* It is not too big of a vehicle to park or handle.
* The suspension is smooth and braking is great.
* The fit and finish is Toyota supurb.
Comments- No this truck is not the ultimate 1/2 ton but it is Very nice. Toyota why didn't you put Daytime Running Lights and Anti-Lock brakes on all trucks for Safety. Lord knows we already pay a high price for Toyota's because of their Quality so include all the latest Safety features. No I don't think Toyota will win over loyal Ford and Chevy owners as they tend to stick with their trucks even with all the problems and because the Tundra on appearance, interior room and sound system isn't as nice as it's "American" counterparts. It is the hidden Engineering and Quality that we owners have come to enjoy. American Toyota workers please keep the Quality tradition.
The bed is bolted solidly to the frame at 4 locations (2 front /2 rear). I believe 3 crossmembers (mounted under the bed) are to rest on the frame between the bolts, providing support for the bed when loaded. In fact, Toyota has installed rubber bushings into the these crossmembers so that they rest on the frame.
The problem I see is that these crossmembers do not properly set on the frame, creating stresses to the weldments which hold the bed together along the sides. The gap I have seen is between 1/8" and 1/4".
Bottom line- It is in fact the only truck bed on the market that was either engineered wrong, or not properly built to spec. Every Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Nissan and Tacoma (if that counts) has the bed solidly resting on the frame!!!!!
I have looked at over 25 Tundras in N.J, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois and Missouri and have seen this with every one of them.
Why don't some of you guys take a look at it and let me know what your thoughts are.
Do you think they may have done the bed that way to keep the ride quiet? Very good observation and very good information. Toyloyal
Ventura Toyota 950.00 disc. off Msrp.
Toyota Town of Simi Valley. If you order one,1500.00 over invoice. So I'm told?
Should Toyota have placed it in the Tundra since most of the big 3 offer it as an option for towing purposes? Toyota is getting closer, but is not quite there yet!
Re: Bed mounting
The rubber mounts under the bed crossmenbers should suffice to provide the necessary cushioning or noise abatement. In fact, several other trucks use the same technique. As I mentioned however, all others are solidly attached to or, are firmly resting on the truck frame. I would not think that it is intended to be off the frame.
I was going to send a note to Toyota, but my last response to a previous request left me thinking it is a waste of my time.
Previously (March-April 1999), I requested info on their selection of rear-end ratios particularly, if the truck was not going to be used as a hauler and, I also probed the lack of availability of a limited slip differential. Their reponse: "it was determined that rear ends selected were deemed optimum for the truck". It may be optimum for the truck (or their business profit picture) but, it is sure not optimum for me.
I only want a 2 wheel drive which may occasionally be used to haul short distances. The AOD lockout would meet my temporary hauling needs while providing a fuel economy 2-4 MPG better. I currently drive an 81' F150 with a 302V8, Aotomatic OD (.85 ratio) and 3.24 axle. This combination has served me well at 19 MPG for the past 190,000 miles. In fact I was getting over 21 MPG Hwy when it was new ( the first 70,000 or so)- it's starting to get tired!. But this is my need only, not the general consensus.
Either way, sending a note to Toyota about the bed seems to be a waste of time- from my experience.
So, I drove the Silverado a couple of times again and liked it the best. The Silverado has the most room plus alot of extras and unique features. The Silverado seems to really be a nice truck.
Hope this helps you decide. Everybody seems to be making nice trucks these days.
Just some thoughts. As the previous owner of a 96 T-100 SR5 4X4 that was flawless, I am looking forward to the new Tundra.
Have you had any problems with it? Most of the people I talked to who had a Chevy or GM. truck said that they always had some sort of problems with the drive train.
It is a tough desicion between the Tundra and the Silverado. The thing I like the most about the Tundra is the pep and smoothness of the engine.
The people I have talked to about chevy trucks dont have any real complaints with the older modles or the 99's.
I think it depends on who you talk too. There are different experiences with different people.
The 2000 Silverado seemed to drive and handle fine with no vibration. Ofcourse, the engine isnt as smooth as a lexus engine but, that's is to be expected.
For my needs, I am going with the Silverado.
I currently own a 84 Toyota Celica. It has 202,000 miles on it. It hasnt been a perfect car. It has needed its repairs to stay going s well. I had to have 1st and 2nd gear replaced in it. No car is going to be trouble free.