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In response to the person complaining about size. Well, if Toyota would quit marketing the Tundra as a full size truck and comparing it to F150/250's, Chevy Silverado's, and Dodge Rams maybe people would lay off the size/room issue.
I've been negotiating with two dealers. One is offering $500 below msrp the other insists on getting msrp. It turns out the dealer offering the discount was getting his discount, plus, back in the form "commission on an inflated interest rate".
I have good credit but not great, and I'm self employed. Because I can't qualify for the premium financing I am always subject to something slightly higher than market. The Dakota I have now I am paying 10% interest on and expect something similar from Toyota.
The dealer offering msrp offered 9% but was absolutely firm on the price. The dealer offering the discount was offering 12.9% financing. It turns out after much discussion with him that his dealership was making a commission on the inflated interest rate. He finally folded and admitted the real interest rate was 11.9%, the additional point was "dealer profit" from the bank. He mentioned the terms "contract rate" and "market rate". The problem now, I don't believe he's come completely clean on the "real" rate, I believe it to be closer to 10%.
This is my sixth new purchase in the past ten years. I really thought I knew most of what was to know regarding financing, leasing and dealer "tricks".
Thought some of you might benefit from the info.
By the way:
With 5k down, the additional 3 interest points added up to approximately $2400 over the life of the contract.
6.95(sudsidiary of Nationsbank/Bank of America). Try the Carfinance.com website.
I'm ok with paying a bit more interest because of my foolish past. I generally don't qualify for the "premier" financing. It just blew me away that they were making a commission from the bank too.
I think the next question for the dealer offering the $500 discount is "will the price change if I arrange my own financing?".
Thanks for the tip, I'll try carfinance.com
I figure the problem is he can sell all the trucks he can get from people walking in, and isn't worried about me. With the size of the fullsize market Toyota is really foolish for only building a factory to build 200,000 or so vehicles. A lot of people like myself are turned off by this indifference, and dealers charging MSRP (take it or leave it attitude).
My wife has liked the Chevy Silverado better because of more room, so we went and put in an order for one the other day. A 2000, Autotrac 4x4, X-cab, 5.3L (now 285hp, 325 torque), auto., CD, power options, heated mirrors, alloys, Z-71, trailer package, and choice of colors. Total = $27,500 del.
I agree that talking to Toyota is difficult. It usually results in a copy of "Pattern Letter OU812". Their customer concern has dropped off sharply since they have become Americanized. We can only hope that their quality remains intact.
I also used the Internet. Autobytel referred Torrance Toyota. Since Torrance Toyota didn't call me, I called the representative and told her what I wanted. She said she couldn't quote prices until she checks with her boss. She promise to call me back. That was about 6 weeks ago. She never called back.
CarPoint referred Cabe Brothers Toyota in Long Beach, CA. They never contacted me.
Tundra business must be good in Southern Calif. I'll remember that.
V-6 2WD Auto? I want to compare them. Thanks
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Maybe we can weed out some of the bashers who
can't stand to see others enjoying something they
can't have, of course they would say "don't want".
I asked my dealer if I could get color-keyed
fender flares with my Tundra, I ordered a SR5 4X4
loaded with the TRD off-road package,with the SR5,
black fender flares come with the TRD package and I
think color keyed would look better (my opinion).
He said he would check, anyone else tried this?
10 days and counting!
I think that there is a design defect with the bench seat. Try putting your arm rest down and smacking it from the side. It appears to visually occulate about four times and possibly more. The resonance goes through the seat back to both the passanger and driver seat. With those harmonics every jolt becomes four or more. When the timing is correct or incorrect the magnitude of sucessive impacts becomes magnified. While I am an engineer, I have a limited knowledge anout vibration. I don't beleive a complete redesign will be necessary, just the addition of a couple of diagonal braces. Hopefully Toyota will take care of this. If they don't I try it myself.
I hope this can be of some help
Does anyone know if a baby's car seat fits safely in the back of a Tundra Access cab?
Since I've had my truck I road in a friends fullsize, quad cab, V10, long bed, Dodge (yes this truck is about 450 feet long +/-) his back seat is about the same size as my Tundra's.
The few disappointmets:
Where's the keyless remote?
Need a key to unlock the gas filling cover plate.
Ignition keys "bounce" against the dash on bumpy roads (I only have four or five keys).
No lumbar adjustment on the captains chairs, still reasonably comfortable though.
Can't keep off the gas pedal for an entire day, especially when next to a domestic truck!
If this were a car these comments would be complaints. I bought a truck and my expectations have more to do with performance, function and reliability. Luxury is second. In the ever growing "luxury truck" market Toyota needs to improve.
By the Way: paid $500 under windows sticker. That's the only part that hurts.
I have a question about bed liners:
Anyone tried these "spray on" bed liners? I've heard the conventional liners rub paint off and start to squeak after a while, beside the fact that they all have a smooth surface which doesn't seem to keep cargo in one place. Any "pro and con" would be appreciated.
and the sexual innuendo elsewhere. We are here to talk CIVILLY about trucks. Be a passionate advocate, or a detractor, but keep it about trucks and not other community members.
Front Porch Philosopher
SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host
I had my truck for about two months and 1000 miles and now I had hail damaged. It p me off.
Did you get the underspray?
Artp, I ended up getting a Line-x spray on. So far I have been happy with it. Its a bit spendy (400 bucks.) But when you consider that the Toyota liner, which is the only one available (to my knowledge) is 375, it aint that bad.
A drop in will give you better impact resistance, although the line-x is pretty thick and inflexible. But,If you drop something heavy enough back there, it will dent.
The drop in will rub your paint after a period of time, though some of the nicer liners have rubber in places to help prevent that.
If the spray on starts to wear you can have it spot sprayed. Depending on how it wore off, it may or may not be covered by warranty.
The Line-X is grippy as hell. Great if you don't want things to slide around, bad if your trying to push something heavy to the back of the bed (though cardboard helps.)
Lastly, the Line-x liner looks pretty darn nice. Its just a pain to wax or polish around. The material picks up and holds the white polish and is almost impossible to get off. I use masking tape to prevent that.
Despite what people here think of domestics, that's the way we went - we went for that large Chevy Silverado interior. And though the 5.3L engine is low-tech compared to the Tundra, I would not want to see what a rebuild would cost on a 32V DOHC. Also parts and aftermarket for Chevy are cheaper and easier to get.
So even if you have less repairs, you'll probably pay more for them.
One more thing I just couldn't get over - if I'm spending $25 - 30K on a vehicle, I want to get exactly what I want - not pick from a limited supply. For that kind of money I want to pick the exterior and interior colors, wheels, tires, trailer pkg, Off-road, and power options that I want. Consider what you are missing, or the options you don't want (and will pay for) that are on that Tundra, when the dealer tells you he is doing you a favor by slling you one at all!
We are interested in ordering Tundra Limited 4x4
Were did you order your Tundra for $900 over invoice. Others may also be interested. Thanks
FOR $600 OVER INVOICE - $28500 FROM STALLWORTH
TOYOTA IN MARSHALL TEXAS. IT'S DUE TO ARRIVE IN
4 TO 6 WEEKS.I CAN'T WAIT TILL IT GETS HERE!!!!
I have a childseat in my tundra ltd. It fits fine. I have it in the middle. more legroom for the little one
Do you have the phone #, E-mail address, or Web Site address, and the name of the person to contact at Stallworth Toyota in Marshall TX?
Any information will be appreciated. Thanks.
Plenty of room in the rear for kids (I have three). I have the bench in front and the little guys like the front and I feel that they are a lot safer in the front of my truck rather than in the back of my van.
Regarding the tire pressure: I had a vibration problem from the rear. I discovered that the tires were inflated to 40psi on all fours with the 245x70x16's Bridgestone's. Now I'm running the front at factory pressure (26) and the rears at (32). Now I know why the bigger tires (265's) ride better: they run at a much lower pressure than the 245's (30 or less? factory setting). I'm curious as to how low I should drop the rear inflation pressure for daily/unloaded driving.
I just changed the oil and of course it looked like honey. I am getting 18.5 mpg with a heavy foot. Hope all of you get your Tundra's soon. I have only seen a few on the road during the past month.