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Quad....glad to hear at least you will give her a try sometime........the keys are waiting anytime your in Boston....
First, What I would like to clarify is my thoughts on quality - Toyota may have a slight edge in initial and longterm quality. You just don't have enough statistical information to judge, and that is why J.D. Powers and Consumer Reports exist. These reports state that almost any brand has very good quality these days.
Design - I think the Toyota engineers went 98 yards, and kicked a fieldgoal. Nice but no TD. They should have matched the largest interior and box dimensions of the big-3 if that's who they're comparing themselves. I'm sure it's a nice truck for the size, and I did testdrive it and sit in the back. The GM trucks are better design by my meaning they are bigger, and have angled backseats. Again some people don't care about the little extra room but for the same money I want it.
Content - Get on a road and hit a patch of ice or snow while accelerating and you'll find out why an Autotrac system in a GM truck is nice. There is no way in a Ford, Dodge, or Toyota that you'll engage 4wd to help you from seriously fishtailing or losing control. A saw one comment before that said something like "oh yeah that'll be broke" (inferring because it's from GM). It seems that if someone points out that another brand has a better design or feature that the Tundra doesn't ... there's that negative response of that'll be broke. Also why doesn't the Tundra offer rear disk brakes?
I guess veryone is defensive about their choice. I'm simply telling those people who come here to research what to buy why I feel the Tundra was not the best design, content or engineering choice. Also Toyota is screwing the consumer by not having enough supply, thus allowing dealers to have a take-it-or-leave-it attitude.
It is results that count not the means as to how I get the results. Kind of like the tow haul mode thing. Cool idea really but a good tranny will shift right regardless of load. Personally the tranny on the tundra is very smooth and tows a 21 foot open bow blue water easy, even going over the mountains here in Oregon with plenty of passing power even. Again results not how it gets them that counts.
Just my two cents but if it works and works well who cares how it was achieved as long as it is reliable.
Obviously some people don't care that their trucks are a couple inches shorter and a couple inches narrower then others. I don't need em. Is there a problem with communication here. Once agian, I DON'T NEED THEM. Maybe you do, that's fine. As for 4X4, I DON'T NEED IT. So obviously I don't need autotrac. I think the last time it snowed here with any accumulation was about 4 years ago, guess what it was all gone the next day. Oh yeah, maybe you should actually look at the list of options available for the Tundra before you talk about them. They do offer 4 wheel disc brakes. Then again I DON'T NEED THEM. I never felt I needed them on my Ford or Chevy trucks either. It all comes down to this. I bought what I felt I needed and wanted. A 1 ton crew cab duelie has more room then a 1/2 pick up why didn't you buy that? I'm guessing it's because YOU DIDN'T NEED IT right? Oh and speaking of engineering design, as I've said before, I wouldn't even consider a Chevy because they don't have a drivers side back door. I NEED THAT. BTW, I'm about to buy a new sportbike. Perhaps there is a particular model you think I should have?
Now, I'm 6-3, 258lbs and need all the room I can get! BUT, I was not willing to sacrifice QUALITY for an extra couple of inches of room!
I also had a REAL problem with Chevy's "Third Door!" It took me FIVE minutes before I finally figured out how to open it! I'm not an uneducated person either! With the Toyota the door handle is ACTUALLY where its supposed to be! DUH! Idiot proof!
I also love having FOUR doors that open instead of THREE!
What I dislike the most about the Tundra is available options especially with the wheels and tires and the limited slip! The kit for the limited slip is SUPPOSEDLY on the way!
I happen to think that MOST GM trucks look better than my Tundra! Truly! But ... If I could have kept the 17inch tires and wheels that I put on my Tundra ... The Tundra looks MUCH better than GM's!
I had to choose between LOOKS and DEPENDABILITY! I chose DEPENDABILITY! My Tundra still looks nice though! PLUS it rides like a damn Lexus! How many GM owners can HONESTLY say that!? Probably as many as Toyota owners would claim that there Tundra's will pull a house! Not happening!
I'm happy with my purchase but Toyota can and will improve the Tundra.
I will say one more thing ... I can't even count the times I see GM owners "Wooing" over my truck! I never "Woo" over a GM, definitely not a Ford and CERTAINLY not a Dodge!
SO, I guess my truck is pretty darn nice ... For a TOYOTA!
I also read a post above about brakes ... My truck stops a lot quicker than a GM!
Each manufacturer has its own plus and minuses and that's what makes this country great!
Long live the boards!
2000 Tundra SR5 Access cab V8 4x4 owner AND proud of it!
My wife's reaction was, "What a hideous looking thing, is it an army jeep?" I had to agree. Although I anticipated fine workmanship and a silky engine that had been promised, I simply was not prepared for the looks. (Much different than it looks in magazines)
Perhaps the designers have named it "Tundra" because it resembles the stark barren Tundra of the North? Even the redesigned Silverado, often accused of being too conservative, is starting to look great compared to this ugly Toyota Truck.
Are my wife and I the only ones who are reluctant to spend 30 grand on an ugly vehicle?
Eusasc - the reason I am comparing the Tundra to the Silverado 1500 is because that is what I'm buying, what is fair, and what Toyota says is the competition. The Tundra does not COMPETE with a 1-ton dually. It COMPETES with the 1500 Silverado, Ram and F-150. You are lucky that you don't need 4wd. However when I wrote it, I figured a lot of people do as that's the way many?, most? trucks come equipped.
t100todd - I am comparing the '99 and particularly the 2000 Silverado to the Tundra. The '98 was a 10 year old design, which would be compared to the T100 in that year. BIG difference. Also I don't want to insult a big guy like you, but try this test: open the backdoors on a Tundra and the backdoor on a Silverado, afte adjusting the front seat for comfort. See if you can get THRU (in 1 side and out the other)in much less time than you could get in the Silverado back, all the way across, and all the way back (essentially over twice the distance since the Silverado is wider). If you use the truck for passengers besides kids, they'll thank you for buying a Chevy.
Lexmark - I find the Tundra's looks likeable. Now Ford has an ugly 1/2 ton. The Tundra should have been bigger to compete with the big-3. Toyota had their head-up-their-you-know-what last time with no V-8 in the T-100. They nearly missed the boat again until some salesmen yelled at the Toyota executives to stay home if they didn't have a V-8. Again it is Toyota who says in their literature that they are COMPETING against the big-3, 1/2 tons. The fact is the Tundra is the smallest inside and overall. IF YOU PERSONALLY DON'T CARE FINE ... you may not need it. I am simply stating facts, and pointing out why I think Toyota made mistakes IN DESIGNING THEIR TRUCK IF THEY WANTED TO COMPARE AND COMPETE AGAINST THE BIG-3. Chevy has the advantage now, with Toyota a good 2nd.
Although the new Silverado has changed it
still looks pretty much similar to the trucks made
over the last several years.
I can't tell you how many people have stopped
me at red lights, while I am in parking lots etc to
talk about and look at my Tundra. Its unbelievable. Just the other day a young lady in a 4 Runner stopped in the middle of the street while I was parking and asked about it. She then parks her car and comes over for me to show her how the rear doors worked etc. She said "I bet you feel like a car saleman".
I am glad I have a vehicle that is different than the rest of the world, at least for a short time.
I got him all excited then the "well sorry I just bought one the other night....good by" Made my night!
So if anyone is looking for one let me know...the end of the month is close by......and I don't think they will be letting another offer slip by.
P.S. Are you now questioning Toyota's off-road capability? I've owned stock 4 cylinder 4x4 Tacomas that could go ANYWHERE any Chevy could go...no reason the Tundra won't do the same.
I'm 6'4 and about 260# and too fit great in the Tundra. With respect to your Tundra looks comment, why does everyone keep trashing the looks of the Tundra? It's a GREAT looking truck, if anything the GM trucks are ugly and Cliched', they have had roughly the same shoe box look for eons!
Like my momma always said,"Ugly is as ugly does". Why you felt you had to comment on just the looks of the Tundra in such a negative way is beyond me. If you are that shallow then you deserve a GM or Ford or God forbid a Chrysler product. The look you refer to as ugly is in reality aggressive and unique. So don't buy a Tundra, go buy a REAL ugly truck!
Tundra is locking, is one piece and has some
way of holding it self open.
Any help would be appreciated!
I live in New Hampshire, in the country but near the more urban areas. I had an '88 Jeep Comanche 4x4 last year, it had All-Terrain tires on it. Without a load in the bed or chains it does not go up my dirt driveway that gets packed snow/ice or over the hills in the area when snowing in 2wd.
Also though I don't have a boat yet, I hear that boat ramps can be rather slippery, and require 4wd. Also my friend has a 2wd truck bought for towing a horsetrailer - which has been stuck in any moist field; they wish they had bought 4wd. You may live in a city, or not have ANY offroad or weather issues. Do you have a truck just to go to work and Home Depot? If so you could have bought a Camry wagon.
If you think 2wd (I'm talking rwd) alone is good in anything except city type driving, if you're in New England you can try my '98 Camaro and see how far you get. I'll put on my crosscountry skis and beat you anywhere.
If you have a bedliner it should be an under the rail type. Even though over the rail can be used extensive modifications to it must be made, no bedliner? you're ok or if you have a spray in liner.
Speaking of bedliners, you will have to cut the liner at the front of the bed (below the rear window). I removed the bedliner (factory installed) and took my power circular saw and cut it down about 9". I put it back in and the cannister fit perfectly.
As far as being leakproof. The manufacturer says that it is possible to have water leakage. There are two points that can leak, 1) through the stake pockets, although if you have a bedliner this will not occur, 2) where the cover butts up to the tailgate. This area does not leak for me since I adjusted the rails in such a way that the rubber weathersripping at the end of the cover compresses against the tailgate creating a really good bond.
There is one thing I had a problem with. I bought one of the first Tundras on June 3. When I went to my local accessory shop and ask about the cover he called Pace-Edwards to see if they had a cover for the Tundra yet. They said yes and I ordered it. When it came in the box said Toyota T-100. I called the manufacturer before I opened the box and told them I had the Tundra not the T-100. They said that it would work. When I did a dry-fit install first I notice that the rails were about 5/8" too long. I called them back and they said they measured the Tundra's box and said it was the same as the T-100 and that it must be my bedliner. I measured without the bedliner, they said they would make me new rails for whatever length I requested but it would take a few weeks. The tech support guy at Pace-Edwards said that the rails could be cut. That is what we did and it worked out fine.
Overall, I really like the cover. I haul computer equipment since I am in the network installation business and sometimes I pickup many computers and monitors and need to remove the top (roll it up).
Sorry to be longwinded but I thought I would provide enough info in case anyone else is interested.
Too bad you didn't get a picture of you towing that GM to show all the little GM buddies on our site.
Like I said before, my folks were able to get around in snow just fine with 2WD. If you say you need 4WD then you need it, I won't argue with you on that point. But just because a person lives in an area that gets snow doesn't mean he has to have 4WD. Now then, are you sure you want to trust a Texan with your Camaro in the snow? :-)
I have only been to Texas once (San Antonio, and I guess you wouldn't need 4wd. It's pretty much a given around here (new Hampshire or New England in general) that you spend the extra (I'd say the mix is 80-20 or 75-25 on 4wd vs. 2wd.
I just look at it as you can't have enough power or enough traction - only too little. If I lived in Texas, Florida, Georgia, etc. I'd question it.
As far as my friend getting stuck in the field with the horsetrailer... well when you go to places they usually have a dirtdriveway, and people park on the side on the grass which may be more mud - remember we probably get more rain. Hook a horsetrailer to it and now try and go. Too much mud or too much initial gas only digs the hole deeper.
Anyway good points. Happy trails.
YES I'm looking for a Limited around the Boston area. Who has one - and where did you buy yours?
Hey do I get a finders fee??? Have fun!!
Now I'm looking for opinions on bed protection. I had a York drop in bedliner in my last truck. Load locker I think it was called. Used 2x4's to keep things from sliding around too much. Not a bad solution but the truck bed sure did take a beating underneath the liner.
I think I want a spray-on liner this time but I need to get more information on the process before subjecting my $28K truck to something I can't take back if I don't like it. Does anyone know of a web site were I can get more info on this.
CWIRTH- Thanks for the 'longwinded' response on the Pace-Edwards roll top cover. I'm gettng one right after I make up my mind on the type of bedlner. Sounds like it should be fairly easy to install but any installation tips you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Also could you tell me if the rail system covers the stake pockets?
BTW, 265/70R16 BFG's. No vibration problem.
This is the best truck I have ever driven!...IMHO
As far as the stake pockets, well you will probably lose them. The front two pockets (near the rear window) will almost be completely covered by the cannister. The rear two pockets will be about 1/3 covered by the rail assembly.
Also, I found that I had to remove the two front tie down brackets (the ones near the rear window). I unscrewed the brackets, removed them and then put the screws back into the holes. So the only tie downs you will have will be the two near the tailgate. I really wanted to have tie downs up front but the box would not fit with them. I am still trying to figure out how to get them back, maybe putting something in front of the box. I saw the ones you put in the stake pockets but again remember they are partially covered.
Hope this helps.
It's an Access Cab SR5, with the following options:
Deluxe 3-in-1 combo radio
4-wheel anti-lock brakes
Cloth captains chairs
16" 5-spoke cast aluminum wheels w/mudguards
CQ Convenience package
I LOVE IT!!!! Best vehicle I've ever owned. No vibrations as others have reported. Absolutely no problems of any kind.
I weeded through all the BS from the anti-Tundra crowd and paid attention only to those who had purchased a Tundra. Since I heard very few negatives from them, I knew it must be a great truck.
I think I got lucky because Priceline.com had just started advertising in Florida, and I believe they and the dealer were anxious to get some trucks sold via Priceline.com in Florida. I purchased it at Courtesy Toyota, Brandon, FL. I highly recommend Priceline.com. Easiest, most pleasurable vehicle purchase I ever made. In and out of the dealers with the truck in 45 minutes, with no hassle over price, since it was already set.
Good luck to all you desiring a Tundra. You are very intelligent.
I'm not sure I want leather, but I want to see it. Woburn is only a few minutes from here. I'm on my way!!!
I am currently doing the cat and mouse game with a local dealer. Still waiting.
Let me know how it goes 'cause I'm in the same situation as you, but I've got a couple of months before I get the truck.
Thanks for any responses
I'm thinking of giving them a try, but there aren't any participating dealers around here. I may have to go to NY/CT to pick it up.
Tundra with your own selected options as the factory was only making a couple of configurations which the dealers than selected from. In other words, all the SR5's were coming with the alloy wheels which are standard on the limited.... All limiteds were coming with leather captain chairs etc.. In other words, I could not order a SR5 with steel wheels etc. This was being done as the factory could sell all these packaged orders so why should they need to customize according to specific customers needs. This makes sense...from factory standpoint although limits getting exactly what you want.
I then here on message boards that you can order specific configurations? What has been experience of those oredering Tundra's?