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Toyota Tundra 2000



  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Best put the order in on that limited now. Make
    sure to get the one with the hard shiftin trannie,
    rattle cab, and hard startin motor now. These
    be the best features and in high demand, could take a while to get one of them ones now. I heard them Chevrolets are powerfull, smooth and quiet, you sure don't want one like that now! Good luck on that future one now!
  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    If anyone has any doubts about Toyota towing let me clue you in. I drove a company truck part time, a Toyota 1 ton with a large box and trailer. We hauled dealer supplies (55 gallon drums of rustproofing, car wash, etc.). We put five 55 gallon drums in the truck and five in the trailer and filled the rest of the box and trailer with other supplies. The trailer would weigh about 4000 pounds and the truck would have at least 1200 pounds in the bed. The truck had a 4 cylinder with an automatic. I made the 250 mile run with my foot flat on the floor going up I-95 hills. When I left the company the truck had 50,000 miles on it and had never overheated or even developed a miss.

    This led me to buy a new 96T100 4x4 XCab with a 3.4 V6 and 5 speed. I towed a 4700 lb. boat with 450 lbs. of tongue weight from LA to Lake Meade (Vegas), among other places, regularly. This include grades of 5-10% in 100-135 degree weather with the AC on. I never dropped below 45 mph on any hill nor below third gear. It got a consistent 13 mpg running it that hard in the desert heat. I never had a single problem, never turned off the AC, it never overheated (unlike many domestics sitting at the side of the road), didn't blow the head gaskets. In fact, the truck was bulletproof. The only problem I ever encountered was a radar gun towing my jet skis (2000 lbs.) that got me doing 75 mph while passing a line of big rigs.

    My friend who I followed, on the other hand, with a Z71 Chevy 5.7 liter had multiple problems. Last trip, his alternator caught fire. We had to use 4 fire extinguishers to put it out. And he was only towing a 2000 lb. jet ski trailer.

    I expect the same excellent, bulletproof service from my new Tundra Limited 4x4 that DOES have a Toyota Class IV hitch rated at 7200 lbs total and 720 lbs. tongue weight without weight distributing equipment! I have no rattles, vibrations or hard shifting (nothing harder than a shift from any normal high performance motor, since it is 4 cam, 32 valve, injected motor). In fact, the truck is perfect!

    Believe me. I've worked as an Olds and Chevy service advisor and as a buyer for a wholesale dealer.

    Good luck on that one!
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    To improve customer satisfaction, put in defective head gaskets and leaky A/C now, make warranty repairs later.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    If you GM freaks could read properly you would notice that IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. Some people pay extra for a transmisision that "chirps" when it shifts.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Spend R&D money on features, to hell with making what we have work. Who cares if they last, no one. Make lots of money off of parts and service in the end
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    As a followup to the above post on Toyota's customer service I will repeat a post made a few months ago.

    1. Had a stone hit my windshield 3 weeks after I bought my Tundra in early June. My insurance company referred me to a local glass shop. Glass shop says they do not have the glass and must get it from dealer. Dealer says won't be available for 2 months. I called Toyota 800 number and the very next day my dealer calls and says glass is being air freighted and would be there the next day.

    2. Had an aftermarket alarm installed. Installer not very careful with his tools and scratched some of the interior dash panels. I wrote the local Toyota office. Two days later my dealer's service manager called said to bring in the truck they would have someone from Toyota Mid-Atlantic distributor come out and fix the scratches. Dealer gave me a loaner and they fixed the panels to like new condition. When I picked up the truck the repair invoice (which was at no charge) said "Toyota Goodwill Repair". This was clearly not their problem, probably should have charged me but they did not. So far their customer service is a-ok with me.

    How about it GM junkies, would they do this. Probably not!
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Anyone notice GM changed their advertising slogan?

    Old Slogan:

    "The most dependable longest lasting trucks on the road."

    New Slogan:

    "Dependable, long lasting trucks."
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Got you a class 4 on that tindra now? From toyota now? What be the feature # ? How come
    that Edmunds and KBB not list the hitch on them
    limited ones? How you get that factory hitch when
    no other has now? How you get that factory hitch
    when it be stated by that Edmunds and KBB that one
    not available for them limited ones? Sound like a story, like that Chevrolet story now. Like that t100 story now. Eveybody know that them t100 ones were junk! Even the factory admit that
    them t100 ones were crap. Good luck on this one now!
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    I, too, do not have any of the rattles or trannie problems but I am very sure you have had problems with your Chevy. If not yet, then soon, trust me my friend you will have them, just wait and see.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    A have the answer on the limited hitch...

    They call it a limited because there's a limit to how much stuff you can put on it. They limited the hitch.

    No stop askin'
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Off that back cover of the 2000 Silverado brochere:

    Like a Rock
    Its more than a song. They're the words we live by. They mean we build Chevy Trucks to be the most dependable, longest-lasting trucks on the road*. Built rugged....

    * Dependability based on longevity: 1981-1999 full-line light-duty truck registrations. Excludes other GM divisions.

    Guess them words like longevity don't have much
    meaning when talkin about toyota trucks, all them
    ones from the 80's be used up now!

    Good luck on this one now!
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    They don't say how much it costs to keep them trucks on the road.

    Regarding their modified slogan. The commercials they air on the radio have changed. I'm not kidding. May be it's just here in Northern California. Anyone else notice the change?
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Anyone care to comment on the Dodge thing I posted?
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Guess you not been followin this topic much. It was made clear by some of them tindra owners that
    them hard shiftin trannies, rattle trap cabs, and
    hard startin engines was actually a feature and not the defect! If you don't got'em, you must not
    have ordered em on that basic model tindra of
    yours now.
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Them dodges not as big as them Chevrolets now.
    That Silverado got the biggest cab of them all.
    That Silverado got the most powerful gas engines too, including that v10 of dodge. That dodge does
    have a fine diesel engine now, but it belong to
    cumming not dodge. That Chevrolet will run the
    circle round them dodges, this is the on that
    fact now!

    Not heard them modified radio commercials here in
    the grand old South now.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    The Dodge is the biggest truck, overall measurements.

    So Rube why aren't you a fan of the Dodge 3/4 Cummins? Tow circles around those Chevy's.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Rebuttal to Cwirth msg #1240, point 1.) above:

    I had my glass shot out by a vandal with a BB gun. Called dealer and they said truck was too new, none stocked anywhere in the GM system. They located independent glass shop. Had it in stock. Would I prefer LOF or PPG? Solar ray or non-tint? Replaced next day while I waited. It cost $325 parts and labor. I can only imagine what the windshield in a Tundra would cost.

    Vandal was caught, by the way. His little party did $35k damage that night, before his tough love parents had a conscience, turned the punk in to the sheriff.

  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Here is the tale of the tape on that one:

    Chevy - 143
    dodge - 138
    tindra - 128

    Overall length:
    Chevy - 227
    dodge - 224
    tindra - 217

    Chevy - 79
    dodge - 79
    tindra - 75

    Chevy - 71
    dodge - 71
    tindra - 70

    Max Trailer rating:
    Chevy - 8200
    dodge - 7800
    tindra - 7200

    Fuel Economy:
    Chevy - 16/20
    dodge - 13/17
    tindra - 15/19

    Looks like we got a clear winner here now!
    All number per Truck Trends:
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    I still prefer my slightly smaller tundra. Those Dodges do look bigger and taller (looks can be deceiving), wondering about Truck Trend's accuracy.

    Also it appears you're comparing 2WD models.

    Don't forget to state that the Chevy you're using in the above "compare" puts out less power than the Tundra. Care to state those numbers?
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    artp, what say on that size now? That dodge be
    bigger than that tindra, but not even close to
    that Chevrolet now. Them Chevys just simply the
    best. If most of them tindra folks would drop
    them big egos and do the compare, they too would
    make the right choice now, it be very obvious that the Chevrolet is the best of them all now!

    What say on this one? Good luck on this one now!
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Till it's in the shop.

    Go back and re-read my post a few hundred back. About why the Tundra is best for ME.

    Do you know the difference between a Tundra owner and Silverado owner?

    The Tundra owner doesn't care what YOU drive.

    I'll buy the silverado, you pay for the repairs. Do we have a deal?
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    That Chevrolet is the most powerful one too!
    270hp/4.8 285hp/5.3 300hp/6.0
    Anyway you do the compare, the Chevrolet come out
    on top, the clear winner now.

    Yes, I did the compare on the 2wd, but the dimension/engine will be the same, exceptin the height and wieght now.

    What say on this?
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Pay for my repairs?
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Them forein factory sure have many fooled on that
    reliability myth now. If them ones from that island so great, how come they all used up after
    10 or 15 year now? Them Chevrolets go on to become what is knowin as the classic. Them
    forein ones just get used up now. That reliabilty
    is just a myth started by them forien marketin folks, to be used on them gulliable ones.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Edmunds posts the Chevy's stats at:

    Horsepower: 230 hp @ 4600 rpm
    Torque: 285 ft-lbs. @ 2800 rpm

    Tundra is 245 & 315
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Vortec 4800 V8 w/SFI
    255 HP @ 5200 RPM
    285 LB-FT @ 4000 RPM (Torque)
    (Standard on 1500 Extended 4x4)

    This was called the "new" Silverado, also had numbers for the old Silverado, which were less.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    For emissions reasons, law in Japan requires new engines after (I believe) 40,000 miles. The engines are shipped to America and sold as "used". Nothing wrong with them, just not as environmentally friendly.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Vortec 5300 V8 w/SFI
    270 HP @ 5000 RPM
    315 LB-FT @ 4000 RPM (Torque)
    (Standard on 2500 Series)

    Nice numbers but, Rube you're wrong again.
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    You be correct for 1999. The 2000 model 4800 and 5300 got the 15 hp boost. The 5300 also got the boost on that torque up to 325, the torque for that 4800 remained the same at 285. The 6000 was
    unchanged for the 2000 model year. Them Chevrolets are like rockets! Got the most powerful engines in the light duty pickup class.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    If the Chevy is 800 pounds heavier with a 3.73 rear end (as opposed to Tundra's 3.9 rear) and only puts out 10 more foot pounds of torque how do you figure it's faster?
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    You just off a year, like I said them 2000 models
    be kickin even harder now! Them Chevrolets always
    gettin hotter, Chevy be know for them small block
    V8 power houses don't ya know? Once again, them
    Chevys be top dog! That lexzy v8 just can't compete with 44 years of Chevrolet V8 history now!
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Here is the actual wieght on them ones now:
    Chevy - 4635
    tindra - 4480
    That Chevrolet be only 155 pounds heavyer.

    It has the 50 hp advantage now.

    Plus it has the much steeper low gear:
    Chevy - 3.06
    tindra - 2.80

    Good luck on this one now!
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    I was using your 2000 numbers.

    Chevy 5.3 325 torque
    Tundra 4.7 315 torque

    Lighter, better rear end = faster
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    I heard one of your Chevy guys saying the Tundra was 800 pounds lighter. If it's only 155 pounds different how do you figure it's more truck?
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Got to look at the entire drive line now artp.
    HP + Torque + Total Gear ratio = Chevy winner!
    That trannie ratio make the difference now.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    My dad drives a late model 2500 silverado. I live in hilly country with a steep driveway. He's afraid to take the Chevy down my driveway for fear the transmission will fail and he won't be able to get out. Says the transmission does funny things in reverse.
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Them 3/4 ones wieght alot more than them 1/2 ones.
    That Chevy guy must have been talkin on that 3/4 one now. I not judge which truck is better based on that wieght, I base it on that total compare now. Good nite for now, it be 1:30 on this side.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    We all got nice trucks. Why don't we be thankful and fortunate and call it a night?

    I've told you many times Rube. I'd love to have a Silverado, I just don't trust the reliability.
  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    Hey Ru, you quote Truck Trend's #s but ignored what they say about the Tundra's faster 0-60 times. Something about a horsepower to weight ratio. How come you haven't refuted the GM ABS, fires, failing transmissions and diesel issues? Maybe because they're true?

    Once again, read the words: The only Tundra you can't order from the factory with a hitch is the Limited 4x4 Access Cab because of a disagreement with EPA ratings. Tundra 4x4 Limited owners can buy a Class IV hitch from the Toyota dealer and have them install it as soon as they take delivery.

    Here's the Tundra 7200 lb. capacity hitch part #s for the those on the site who aren't GM owners:

    Class IV Towing Hitch Receiver - PT228-34990
    Wiring Harness - PT207-34002
    Fuse Box and Hardware - PT220-34990

    As far as reliability, check Consumer Reports. Their Frequency of Repair records are accurate, judging from my 25 years of experience in the automotive field and as a wholesale buyer. I believe the T100 does pretty good in their reliability ratings. Maybe even recommended?

    Don't choke Ru. Or maybe it's that Chevy Bowtie cutting off the oxygen.

    Good luck with that one now!
  • dockinsmdockinsm Member Posts: 15
    you will never get the Chevy lovers to understand you. I believe it's because their mentality is "Like a Rock". I personally don't want them to buy Tundras, as the Tundra is hard enough to get now. Add their numbers in the supply to demand ratio and the price will skyrocket. My philosophy is let everyone do their own research and buy the truck they think suits their needs. Then they have no one to blame but themselves for the decision that they will ultimately have to live with.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    when TOYOTA makes one! Anyone who STILL claims that GM products are of superior fit and finish and have better reliability than Toyota vehicles is an absolute IDIOT!!! Period. There is no other "clean" way to say it.
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Come on now dogster, we both know that EPA has
    nothin to do with that hitch. A Wieght issue?
    What about the big3, they all wiegh more than
    them tindras, with or without them hitchs now!
    And even them sr5 ones come only with the class 3
    from that factory! That factory be cutting back on them hitches now, cuz they know something about that limited haul now! And that Chevy will
    womp the tindra in the 1/4, fact is fact. Fit and finish now? Them little tindras don't hold a stick to the Silverado, use your eyes on this one now! Then egos on them tindra owners never cease to amaze! As far as your ramblings on fires, abs, trannies, and such, nothin here to refute, never heard of that tell till now, back it up with the link, and we can disscuss it. Good luck on this one now!
  • eostereoster Member Posts: 54
    Larger towing capacity brought to you by the company that brought you exploding gas tanks and defective ABS brakes. The GM engineers or marketing folks think that the GM lawyers need work.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I think I agree we ought to give this Toyota vs GM brawl a rest. It's obvious the Toyota owners would like to have a forum where they can share problems, (which there are plenty) without a GM owner throwing it right back to them.

    I'm taking a hike while you ponder over all those misgivings you have about GM, while on this beautiful snowy Saturday (2nd snow in Oct), I note how much fun you're missing if you aren't experiencing it inside the roomy cabin of a full size Silverado, great sounds, powerful hvac, the best seats in trucking, the security of on-demand 4wd and 4 wheel abs. Strike the chord Bob Seger. It's THE TRUCK.

    Enjoy yours.
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Wish we had that snow now, we be lockin down for
    that hurricane here now! You be right on that rest, these here tindras owners need all the post they can get in now to figure out them hitch mysteries and such. Good luck on that one now!
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    From Qudrunner

    "I'm taking a hike while you ponder over"
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    artp, me and you talk about them trucks, argue bout em, even bash them trucks. I think it is
    good to talk bout them trucks now! I try to keep it to them trucks, so do you. That rwellbaum2
    run his mouth awhile back, and it was not bout
    them trucks, this got Franklin steamin. Now
    he just lookin out for me, that be all. He is
    a good one, but he not look kind on the type of
    talk that rwellbaum2 was spewin forth now. I say it now, said it before, lets just keep it to them trucks now! What say on this?
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    Despite the fact that I don't agree with you on the reliability issues, I have started to like you and understnd where you're coming from. I just don't completely agree.

    Franklin - It looks kind of bad when you just show up here for one thing... To threaten others. Besides, do you really think anyone is going to drive cross country to fist fight over some trash talk? I think not. Please get real, unless you're the one who wants to do the driving. If so, give me your email address and I'll email you my residential address.
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    I agree artp, Franklin just respondin to the rwellbaum2 one, he be out now, we all getin ready for that dang huricane now! Gotta go help now...
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    I re-read rwellbaum2 recent post. I don't see where he said anything, or used any kind of language that YOU haven't used. What's Franklin's trip?
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