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On another note, I test drove a new 04' today and did not experience any vibrations on the highway.
I was in to the local Ford dealership and they now have pics of all the changes for the Premium edition package.
It is basically the monochromatic paint job, different wheels, different headlights and that is it. The funny thing is that the wheels look remarkably similar, as do the headlights and the only notable difference I see is the paint. The paint does make it look different, but I kind of like the 2 tone color on the EB. I think it breaks up the line of the vehicle and makes it look a little smaller than the large vehicle it is.
For $900, it seems to me that the 'differences' in the packages ought to be more notable. I'm still having a hard time understanding why Ford has not one pic of this on the website.
-tg
I have been going nuts looking for pic's on fords site.
The marketing slick I saw had no (that I remember) interior shots. Does the interior have a monochromatic scheme too? I wonder if the leather is all one color on the premium edition. This would seem to command more of the sticker this option group is boasting. Although all they'd have to do is take the leather out of the XLT line to make this work.
I saw pics of wheels (I could be wrong, but they looked like a 17" version of the F150 rims), headlamps (which looked like an Explorer with the dual cones), and closeups of the grill (painted to match the body), and a wide angle side shot to take it all in.
I'm going to have to see more pics and I want to see it in person. My local dealership is getting one in. Apparently they ordered one some time ago. I asked them to let me know when it comes in. I'll take my digital cam and take pics when it arrives. That could be a number of weeks yet though.
-TG
I went to the dealer and it sounds like I saw the same marketing info you did. It did not show any interior shots, the rims where not impressive, the monochrome bumpers, grill and cladding looked nice, and I could not tell the difference in the head lights over the standard EB. One other thing, it had a chrome tipped exhaust. My dealer told me they ordered one also, but I don't know when it will be in. I am waiting to see one before I order that option, if you get any pic's I would thankful if you could post them, I will do the same.
It includes:
Nav system, Rear entertainment DVD, AdvanceTrac, Climate controlled seats, Safety Canopy airbags, power 3rd seat, trailer tow pkg. MSRP is $49,085 incl delivery.
We got it from Lithia Ford, Concord, CA with a total of $11,000 in "discounts", $7,000 dealer, $3,000 Ford cash, $1,000 Ford Motor Credit. They matched Diablo Ford in Pittsburg, CA which runs an ad each week for this deal on loaded EB models. Their deal applies to any EB with an MSRP of $48-50K. So you should currently expect $7k discount by the dealer, the $3k from Ford, and $1k if you're willing to go to the effort of refinancing since FMCC's rate isn't great.
We took the FMCC loan only to get the $1,000 rebate. We are going to refinance the FMCC loan (6.2%) with our credit union after the first payment to get our CU's 4.25 loan rate. (Note that the FMCC loan is simple interest, no pre-payment penalty.)
Anyway, I had the salesman from Diablo Ford call me while the deal was being inked but not yet signed; I would have just gone over there to get the same vehicle if there had been a problem. Theirs was a Wedgewood Blue. No reason to, as the sales service at Lithia was very good, everything was smooth, no pitch for extended warranty, just add sales tax and license.
The dealerships are: Lithia Ford, Concord, CA, or call Diablo Ford in Pittsburg for the same deal.
What deals are going on in Mid NJ (Morristown)area and what can I expect to pay. Any recent experiences ?
as Safety is my #1 priority.
That's exactly the configuration I'm looking at right now. Have 2 prices already, with rebate I am looking at less than 17,500 on each quote. Hope this helps.
Don't you mean $37,500? I think this is the reasonable range for X-Plan pricing like you're talking about.
I am going to hold out for a late build 04 or an early build 05 with the new 3 valve 5.4. It is supposed to be coming for sure in the 05 production run. It is the new motor in the 2004 F-150. I'm holding out for one of those.
yes, meant $37,500. Think it was about $37,300 or thereabouts.
Am not going to hold out for the 3v engine since my wife wants this thing done months ago. Have read varying opinions about the performance of the current 5.4 ranging from a dog to quite powerful. Our experience is that performance appears fine though we have not had one in the rockies nor have we towed anything. My guess is that the 3v would also give better gas mileage based on a better power to weight ratio. If we were to get 14 to 18 city/highway, I'd be pretty happy for a truck this size.
also, the dealer is going to customize the truck. we have a 3 car garage, each a single door, each a maximum of 96" across. the expedition eb width is 94.1" from mirror tip to mirror tip. the dealer is going to contact me today about how they will mount navigator mirrors on the eb and place a switch in the truck to power fold them in. this leaves a max width of 80" (from outside running board across) that will neatly fit in the garage w/o manually folding both sides. so far, the mirror, fitment, functionality to the eb is the same. both are heated, both angle down in reverse, both look and mount identically, both are black; slight differnce in the turn signal lens color. the dealer, has been amazing in how responsive they've been on making sure they can do this. other local dealers punted on trying. am hoping this type of effort carries over to maintenance and support. the mirrors will add a bit more to the price and am also considering buying an extended warranty. otherwise, we'd be buying a sequoia ltd w/ power folding mirrors instead.
anybody know the invoice costs of the extended warranties? thanks in advance.
As as I already have some Ford vehicles, 2001
Escape, 96 Taurus, plus a 2003 Saturn and 95
Voyager (as soon as the Voyager goes with 159,300
I'll be getting the Expy and have looked into
extended warranty's. Found this site regarding
a discounted Ford Warranty at http://www.fordwarrantycentral.com. I usually go with a 100k one and it has usually paid off.
With the Escape at 49k, I have only had 1 or 2 minor items. On the other hand my sister-in law with a 2002 Honda Odyssey had to have the tranny
rebuilt at 42k. It definitely paid off for her....
We already ordered the expedition and are awaiting confirmation of arrival date. Good suggestion, though.
- Heavy Duty Trailer Tow Package
- Rear Seat Entertainment DVD w/Wireless Headphones
- AdvanceTrac® w/Non-Limited Slip Axle & Message Center
- 1st & 2nd Row Safety Canopy™ w/Rollover Sensing
- 2nd Row Captain's Chairs
- Climate Controlled Heated and Cooled Seats w/Power Passenger Seat and Power Rear Quarter Vent Windows
- 3rd Row PowerFold™ Seats
This is an out-the-door price and includes sales tax (6% in MI) and fees. This figure is a hair under what Edmunds TMV pricing comes out to.
Most of the other dealerships I checked on price were $1000-$2000 more than the one I am probably going to buy from.
our total/drve-off price w/ttl is 40,717 @ 6.25% tax rate. your deal looks pretty good to me. we also got the estate green color since we're in a hot climate (lighter) but have to admit that the red and medium wedgewood blue colors also loked really good on the eb. best wishes for your mission.
btw, if anyone is interested in brand new expedition mirrors in basic black, I have a pair...
All in all I was happy with the price I got. X-Plan ended up saving me ~$1500 give or take. I am glad I was able to get a pin.
In this process I did my homework and I've been researching this for some time so my expereince was good.
Oh FYI - If you're looking for extended warranties. I've come to the conclusion in shopping ESP plans around that it is better to buy these online, at least in this area. Every dealership I've talked to wants MSRP for the plan I'm interested in (7 yr/100,000 mile - $0 deductable).
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I ordered through a premier dealer and I think I may be able to get in on these incentives.
Yahoo!
Been reading these forums for info & have come across a few mentions of "X-Plan" for better prices. Would someone kindly explain & give info on where to find this plan?
Thank You
X-Plan pricing is invoice - ~$200 or (MSRP * .87)= X-Plan pricing. It is a good price and *should* be the same no matter what dealer you go to. The only people getting better prices than this are A or D Plan people (employees working on the assembly line, or for a dealership).
Please write to jfallon@edmunds.com no later than Monday, July 12, 2004 with your daytime contact info and thoughts on the subject.
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-Nav System
-Power 3rd Row Seat
-Tow Package
-Power Moonroof
-2nd Row Captain Chair
-Saftey Canopy
-Air Susp
-Climate Control Seats
The sticker price is 48,940. After rebates I can walk away with 38,174 w/o tax. With tax added it would be about 40464.44. Is this a good price? I expected the X-plan price to be a little more then $77 below invoice. Any feedback would be appreciated. Should I take it, this was the first offer I received without looking anywhere else, should I continue to look.
Thanks
It WAS a surprise to me as the dealerships themselves can get into trouble for selling an X-Plan vehicle at a price higher than they're supposed to.
Bottom line - DO get two or three other prices for the SAME optioned vehicle (apples to apples).
- 5.4L
- Leather
- Powerfold 3rd row
MSRP was $41,310 and I paid the invoice amount of $36,965 less $400 for the college graduate. Also got 60 mos at 0.0%. I bought the truck in Texas, but am an Oregon resident...so no sales tax.
The quote was a no-haggle internet price. Since there were only about 3 or 4 NBXs in all of Texas at the time, I was more than happy with the price.
I bought it at New Braunfels Ford, just North of San Antonio.
Thanks in advance,
mel
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What is the out of door price?
Eddie Bauer 4x4
MSRP 50185
The car has:
58F Nav system
91V DVD entertainment
90D Climate seats
87P 3rd row power seats
67D Safety curtain airbags
536 Tow package
47T Advanced traction
43M Moon roof
Std Rebate: -4500
Matching rebate: -5500
If I finance -1000
Resulting total 40098
Good or bad?
Thanks
Good luck, and keep us posted.
Invoice $43,834
minus all rebates $11,000
net $32,834
The heck with holdback.
Factor in $750 profit and the total is $33,584. Offer it and see what happens. This is what I do when I buy and I've gotten some really great deals in the last few years. I have a hunch they'll consider it.
Good luck.
thanks for the replys. First off,
This is the dealers 1st offer. We have not sat down at the table yet. I was surprised by the "matching rebate" but that is what they put down. They are throwing in $5500 right off the bat.
I will crunch some more numbers tonight but thank you all soooo much on the feedback and the example numbers. It gives me something to go on.
I do like the truck (as it is called) however I am concerned about the reliablity. Any thoughts? I know this is the prices paid place. Email me if you would like:
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to see what other owners are experiencing.
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The total invoice on the car was 43,800
I offered 33,500. They countered with 34,500.
Final price out the door was
34,500 + tax, license, DH, etc.
That equates to about $9300 under invoice. Maybe not as good as possible but good enough for me. Plus... I talked them into throwing in the following free:
2 years of free maintainance (oil, etc).
2 year extended warranty (bumper to bumper) so total is 5 years or 60K. Includes free rental car for any service longer than 1 day.
Tires for life. 2 free sets of tires within 5 years.
Now I just hope that I don't have any major problems!
Thanks everyone for your help.
I did check 05s. This was a very tough decision because we have a perfectly good 87 ford explorer and I have a wonderful 2001 toyota tundra. Both cars are in excellent condition and needed zippo for repairs since owning.
The decision to purchase something new was due to the fact the my son and I are doing more traveling and he needs room to spread out. Riding in the back of the Tundra was tough. We also moved to colorado and are just in general doing more day trips.
So our decision was to keep the two cars we have. Turn the tundra into a work truck (take shell off and use it to haul stuff with). Get me a larger SUV for these trips.
I looked at everything. The problem was the Sequioa which is really a Tundra just didn't do anything for me. For the extra $10K I got virtually nothing. None of the other big SUVs had as much to offer.
I rolled the dice on the Expy because my sister had one, a 2002 and loved it. I met several people in the area 2003s and one 2004 that all swore by them. Now I just hope that mine will not be a problem car. So far with 75 miles under my belt not one complaint.
I looked at the 05s but the dealer was dealing hard on the 04. I feel like I did well on the price. I don't plan to sell it anytime soon.
Sorry to hear about the price drop.
M
If I understand your figures correctly you got that Expedition for $15,686 under MSRP?
MSRP $50,185
Final price $34,500
Thats a great deal in my opinion. on top of that you got them to throw in some free service.
The best offers I have gotten so far on '04 EBs are $9000- $11000 under MSRP.
As a rule of thumb, should my target price be more than $11,000 under sticker for an '04 EB?
Any guidance would be appreciated
maybe you should price getting 2 of your garage doors swapped for a double door. might be less headaches in the long run. have 8 1/2 foot wide doors, didn't have to fold in a mirror like my neighbor across the street to get the expy through it.
the 5.4 has plenty of power, it's just not available under light throttle. if you boot it, it will run; if that is important to you.