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Wow! That's a very good price for an LE out the door. I am in Tucson, AZ. For this price, you may not even get a Camry Std. I wish I could go to Houston.
17,477. Out of door, $19218. in south bay, ca.
If you can get between $17100-17300, that is the best deal you can get. $17500 is still a very good deal. I heard some of my friend get somewhere
at 17700 - 17900 at different times. I got it last month.
Thanks,
2005 Camry XLE 4 cylinder
-sunroof
-leather seats
-6 disc in dash CD changer
-automatic climate control
-dual driver and passenger heated seats
-front and side curtain airbags
-stainless steel exhaust tip
-car and truck mats
-alloy wheels
-alarm system with remote
-wood grain(beautiful)on the dash on all 4 doors
The no haggle price was $22,978(which already includes the manufacture's rebate of $750) less $500 dealer rebate which ends 3/21/05 for a total no haggle price of $22,478.
Is this a reasonable price for a 2005 XLE with all the above features?
Consider that an LE w/o options is ~17K, and can quickly get to 19K with options. An SE is about ~20K, but has 4 wheel disc, and the LE has disc and drum. Both the SE and XLE have larger wheels than the LE... and you got aluminum wheels.
Finally, for an XLE 6 Cyl, $25K seems to be a good price... so it looks like you have a good price for a 4 cyl. Congratulations.
- hank2
The additional charges "title, tags, tax, etc" is approximately $1,500.
The dealer was so confident in the "no haggle price" listed on the car with all the options I mentioned above that he encouraged me to "shop around" at regular Toyota Dealers if I so desire.
The deadline for the dealer $500 rebate ends tomorrow as her reminded me as well as indicated on the carmax website.
I fell in love with the car. The car only had 5 miles on the meter. I added about another mile when I test drove it.
It says it has xm satillite enabled radio.
My question is If I dont enable this does the normal radio works? please respond asap
Price quoted by dealer is
24,270 ( not including 1000 rebate or low APR)for 2005 SE V6+ SE premium Package + side and curtain airbags.
Is this price good in Texas? TMV in edmunds is 24007( not including 1000 rebate or low APR).
i didn't want a moonroof, they had to search around for it but they got it.
xle is a great car. mileage is better than posted and it is so refined. last car was an 03 accord ex there is no comparison. camry wins, camry wins.
I would suggest if you want to compare OTD prices, don't go for anything over $19000.
i just purchased an xle w/out moonroof. all it had optioned was alloys (which i want to replace) and floor/cargo mats.
they are out there, but, no moonroof will mean no other fancy extras.
i had a very difficult time finding this car. toyota is darned determined to cram moonroofs down our throats.
jep
It's evidently a loss leader they run, about every other Friday or so. Nearly as I can tell, INVOICE price on that car is $18,011 plus all the charges. The $15,756 figure takes in the $1,000 rebate of course.
I talked to the salesman, asked for his card, and he told me to call him at 6:30 AM tomorrow morning, then meet him at the dealership. We'll be there with bells on!
I am looking for the same car(Camry LE w/o side airbag) now. The best deal I currently get in Atlanta, GA is $17500 for drive-out. This price includes the $1000 rebate plus $400 new graduate incentive from Toyota. The bad news is that I have to get financial service for at least $7500 from Toyota Financial Serice, otherwise, they won't give me this $4000.
Acutally, I have a friend got the same car for a drive-out price $17000 last May. But these dealers just don't give me this deal at this time.
before rebate, 18700 something.
Bob Baker Toyota and Toyota of El Cajon also had similar deals today (special, only two at this price etc.). I was leaning on the door at Mossy Toyota at 6AM, and was first one in. The second guy showed up around 7:30 after they opened. He was very PO'd, saying he had gone to all the other dealers, only to find they had sold out their specials already. Bob Baker Toyota had a night watchman who handed out number as people came in at 3 in the morning! But he got the same deal I did at Mossy.
My wife is VERY happy, doubly so since she handles all finances. And a happy wife, is a happy life, as the saying goes. :^)
Anybody in the Atlanta area knows of a dealership offering a drive out in the $17500 vicinity?
phil
Since I bought my first Toyota in 1982, I always knew to bargain up from the dealer invoice and not down from MSRP. But in today’s era where literally everyone knows the invoice price, the game is for dealers to seek their profit outside that very public number. If you think you are getting a great deal by being offered the car “at invoice” you are getting cheated!
What we bought the week is what many here seek- A 2005 Camry LE, auto, with side airbags and floor mats. Lunar Mist was our color choice. I have to admit I was pretty jealous reading that California buyers are sometimes getting their Camrys at out the door prices of $17,500 to $17,700 (low CA ad pricing is usually without the airbags we insist on). That’s nearly impossible here in the Southeast because of the supposedly forced $590 Southeast Toyota Administration Charge that most dealers claim they have to pay, too. And the destination charge (delivery fee) is now raised to a whopping $590 and an onerous $20 gas fee is piled on, too.
So, with such challenges, getting the car this week in Florida at $17,950 for a total of $19,245 out the door was WAY better than I thought I could do after my first discussions with dealer internet departments. It really helped by digging deep into the past six months posts here and learning the right strategies for today’s market. Kudos to all of the CA folks who can do better but for buyers around here, I’d like to return the favor and try to do my small part to help you save a bundle, too. ($1500 below invoice) How we did it:
I decided to use the “Fax Attack” approach advocated in two newspaper articles I read online that were found through a Google search. The CarBuyingTips.com site refers to another website that charges about $35 for a package on such buying tactics but I didn’t think I needed to spend the $35 to understand the technique.
At CarBuyingTips.com there is a free downloadable spreadsheet that you can customize for each offer bid that you make. I faxed six offers, each on a specific in-stock individual VIN number car. The advice I found is to send up to about ten such offers. This is a cinch now since you can go to BuyAToyota.com and easily check the inventory at any dealer in your region.
My strategy was to best estimate the true cost to the dealer (not the invoice price!!) and make an offer that gives the dealer a 2.5% profit. I figured that was more than fair with five or six months left in the model year and so many automatic Camry LE’s sitting on dealer lots now.
From what I learned, I called each dealer and asked the receptionist the name and fax number of the Fleet Manager. To each, I faxed a cover letter with a price offer and IMPORTANTLY, a “firm out the door bid price” including tax and tag transfer. Also included was a printout directly from BuyAToyota.com with the features on the specific VIN number and Toyota’s MSRP on that exact car. I also faxed the 2.5% profit spreadsheet I did for that particular car. It’s easy to do this spreadsheet once and then resave the file with the minor changes for a particular car’s features.
My typical cover letter read like this:
Dear Mr. XXXX,
I’d like to make an offer on one of your in-stock vehicles, a 2005 Camry LE, Vin #XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
With inventories and sales expectations high this month, I’d like to buy the car at a fair profit to you, and price to us. You have XX similarly equipped Camy LE’s in Lunar Mist in stock. (check the inventory for that dealer at buyatoyota.com)
Our offer is based on the enclosed spreadsheet and enclosed copy of the vehicle’s options.
The offer of $17,970.46 assumes an additional $100 tag transfer fee and sales tax of $1174.58 for a firm out the door offer price of $19,245.04.
Please let me know if we can do business. We are ready to buy immediately. I can be reached at XXX-XXX-XXXX or emailed at XXXX@XXX.com
Sincerely, . . .
My offer was based on a car that had a MSRP of $22,223. This MSRP did not include the $590 Southeast Administration Charge, nor the $500 dealer prep fee that most dealers also try to squeeze. My offer at a 2.5% dealer profit also ignored the Southeast Charge and any other fees, since I wasn’t about to get suckered into paying $500+ on dealer prep, additional ad fees, etc. The current rebate here in the Southeast is $1,000. On the CarBuyingTips.com spreadsheet, I typed in the Dealer Holdback profit at 3% even though some websites claim it’s only 2%. I figured that if Honda's holdback is 3%, why would Toyota dealers expect anything less.
Central Florida Toyota in Orlando called me the next day to inform me it was accepting my offer. I had also sent the offer to dealers in Jacksonville, Tampa and here in Gainesville. Our key to success could be that was my offer was made within the last 15 days of the month and this particular dealer had 10 Camry LEs in auto in Lunar Mist with side airbags. They had 46 total auto Camry LEs in Lunar Mist. I guessed they had to move inventory and was likely right.
Two other dealers said they’d sell me the car at $19,700-$19,800 out the door. All others came in at an almost identical price, roughly $20,700, reflecting the so-called “dealer invoice (not so) bargain price.” I also received a bid from CarsDirect.com at a very high $20,700.
When we went to the dealer, we expected games so I asked the salesman to, in advance, fax us a Buyers Sheet reflecting the Out the Door price of $19,245 with the VIN # listed. We still expected games. After the 120 mile drive, we nervously went inside, and simply had my best buying experience in 20 years of haggling for cars. Not a single problem! We were even allowed to charge the purchase, netting another $200+ in rebates on my cashback rebate credit card.
Thanks for indulging this LONG post—I really hope it can help buyers in the south and elsewhere. . . This dealer, Central Florida Toyota, doesn’t charge the $590 Southeast Toyota fee on its invoice. The salesman told me it was built into the $20,125 MSRP. (This price was raised $150 on 2-8-05.) So, I really don’t know if the other dealers are working in collusion or if my dealer’s inventory is so huge that they find a way around having to deal with it. When other fleet managers tried to tell me on the phone that it was forced on them, too, I replied that there would certainly be a dealer revolt in this part of the country if none of that money ever came back to the dealers as other incentives they receive from time to time beyond their Dealer Holdback. When I said that, I found reluctant agreement. (continued)
Be sure when you negotiate that you get a firm Out the Door Price. That’s key. If not, you’ll get stuck with surprise charges at the end. The two dealers that gave me the lowest prices both rejiggered their own numbers on the Buyers Sheet to hit the Out the Door Price. That price is what is truly important and it should reflect EVERYTHING including sales tax and tags.
Also, at first I was going to ignore any dealer that had cars with that dastardly, supposed $699 Toyoguard package on the car. But I decided that since the package likely cost the dealer next to nothing, and since it meant nothing to me, if I could still get a great deal on a car with the package, so be it. So, my car has it and I put only $125 on my spreadsheet for this item’s dealer cost even though I saw sites that say it costs dealers $239. The saleman claimed the undercoating makes the car 11% quieter but who knows--our Camry is as quiet as any Lexus or Mercedes I've ever been in.
If the Fleet or Internet Manager doesn’t meet your price, I urge you to be friendly and polite. Consider letting them know you have already received lower offers than theirs. Two dealers did indeed call me back later with lower prices so it pays to play it cool, but friendly and respectful.
The car is incredible, by the way. Happy hunting!
After we proudly pulled our new Camry into the garage, I noticed that the tires were the Goodyear Integrity model rather than the different stock tire reviewed by Consumer Reports as part of the Camry review--and not reviewed as being particularly good, at that. I looked up the Goodyear Integrity reviews at TireRack.com and one other site, expecting good things. However, this current Camry LE stock tire is universally hated with many hyproplaning complaints! Since we bought our Camry with side airbags for safety, I immediatlely traded in these tires locally and paid a $172 difference for new Kumho 716 tires. These well-priced tires are rated by literally hundreds of buyers as tops and make our new car even quieter. With the torrential Florida rains we've again had this week, we sure are happy we immediately switched to a much better rated tire. Something to consider when you budget for your new purchase.
This is a cinch now since you can go to BuyAToyota.com and easily check the inventory at any dealer in your region.
How do you check dealer inventory through BuyaToyota.com? I've been all through the site and don't see that capability. Thanks.
Another thing to try is to go directly to a dealer's own website. Most that I checked have links to the same pages to check inventory.
Also, if you are not even seeing the place to enter the zipcode at the bottom of the www.buyatoyota.com page, you may want to try a different web browser. Be sure you have relavitely recent version. Common browsers include Explorer, Mozilla, Opera and Safari.
Brought an XLE 4 GY,AW,CF = $20,500
Need to add tax, fees, whatever to figure your OTD price!
Not as comfortable as my 2002 and the 6 CD radio is lousy (had the bose in the 2002
If you get an LE 4 GY, CF < $18,100 + fees/tax
You did good.
GY=side airb CF?=mats AW=alloy wheels
According to the sheets Lunar Mist and Grey are the most produced colors. 25% and 20% avg. respectively. I love the grey myself but opted for the Lunar Mist since everyone says its much easier to detail and its cooler in the sun (this will save on gas, right!). I had the grey and the scratches show up well. Also interesting is VSC (Veh Stab) is only installed on the XLE 6 model. $$$$ Buy a Lexus or Avalon at this price. The only problem is the Avalon and Lex don't have the 40/60 split. Bummer.
Hope this helps:)
Tally-ho
~alpha
Is this good deal or not?
Total Cash Price 19976.00
document preparation fee 45.00
Tax (7.75%) 1551.63
official fees like license, title, tire fees 199.75
- 1000.00 rebate
20772.38 (OTD)
and also how to calculate taxes and other charges in TX state?
The prices discussed here in the board seem too low for the dealers here, any suggestios?
Yes SE's were also built with VSC.
I think Toyota has regional sales offerings. The sheet I was looking at was the Tri-state area (NY, NJ, PA?) I wanted VSC and GY in an LE and could not get it cause its not built in this area.
Thanks for pointing this out.
The price you pay leaving the dealership which includes tax, title, reg, advertizing.
the dealer said he was quoting $1 over his cost at $601 for a 72 mo 100,000mi ext war.
$601 for a 6yr / 100k warranty is a steal provided :
1. It's a Factory Toyota warranty.
2. $0 (Zero) deductable. Meaning when you make a claim that something needs to be repaired, its costs
$0.
Typically this type of warranty costs about $1500
I've been to goggle for an hour but didn't find the fax attack which details how you can arrive at a reasonable price which is below invoice but won't shortchange the dealer so much.
However I did some basic math and I arrive at the following figures (price you paid for Camry LE)17970.46 divided by 22,223 (msrp) = .8086423.
Doing the reverse, 22,223 x .8086423 = 17,970.46. Is it safe to multiply any msrp with the no .8086423 and get a figure that would still allow a dealer to get a 2-3% profit?
Don't know what the tax and fees are in Ohio though!
What color did you pick?
I chose desert sand. Just feel that the Apr is high, but the price includes $1100 incentive ($400+$700).
Most of them seem to do this about every Friday, or maybe every other Friday. And so tomorrow is the day! Poway Toyota also does it frequently, but didn't do it last Friday, so maybe they are due! These are the deals where they say "Two only at this price! Serial Numbers XXXXXXXX and YYYYYYYYY only!". But at Mossy, they let me substitute a different color car from the two they named. That might have been because one of the specified cars had a big scratch on it and had been sent to the body shop the day before, so they used that as an excuse to swap it out and keep a customer (me) happy. Bob Baker is said to have four Camry LE's when it does this.
Camrys have a $1,000 cash rebate from Toyota, which ends April 3. The above superdeals include that, obviously. So I'd guess that deals after April 3 will have prices $1,000 higher. 2005 Siennas have college-graduate rebates of $400, but you have to show you just graduated from a college, and it ends today (March 31) anyway.
Does anyone know if any other Toyota dealers in other areas, do this? Either on Fridays or on some other day? Please post!
Does anyone have any pros or cons they can share about the extended warranties and car maintenance programs that you can purchase from Toyota? For a new car up to 5,000 miles, you can purchase an extended warranty costing a little more than $1800. I think it's good for 7 years or 10,000 miles. If you decide before the 7 years is up that you have not or do not want to use the warranty, then you can have your money refunded. Hence, it's no cost to you if you don't use it. However, I am leery about Toyota coming back to you after your 6th year or something and telling you that you can't get your warranty back for this reason or that, or because you did or didn't do this or that. Does anyone have any experience with that? How about the car maintenance program for about $1200.
My second question has to do with a used car. I drove my old car to the Toyota dealer hoping I could trade it in for a new car. The problem is that it didn't make it there. I don't quite know what's wrong with it, but it overheated and is burning oil. I don't know now whether it will even pass smog. Since I couldn't get it to the dealer, I couldn't get it appraised. The trade-in value is around $500. The private sale value is $1800, and the retail value is $3400. I know I have three choices: 1) donate it, but the new tax laws are not in my favour, 2) get it to the dealer and see if they'd give me much for it, 3) put money into it and sell it private party. I only thought I'd throw this question out there to see if anyone had any other creative ideas on what to do with this car. I went ahead and purchased a new Toyota despite not being able to do a trade-in for it.