2013 and Earlier - Toyota Camry Prices Paid and Buying Experience

clipper1

There are no DOC fees for out-of-state-buyers.....

at Fitzmall.

I waited 2 days for my fully loaded TCH at $699 off of msrp.

Do your Hoemwork!

wveco

I happened to call Fitzmall today. They do not have any TCHs in stock. They actually did have one fully loaded that was not showing up in inventory, because someone had ordered it, but then backed out when it was delivered a day or two ago. But by the time the salesperson could check on it, it was already sold. And he did not believe he could get one in before the end of the month. He said about the only chance to get one from them before the end of the month was if the same situation occurred as happened with the one they had today...someone who had one on order backed out of purchasing it when it actually arrived. I didn't discuss the doc fees with him, so I can't comment on that. I had assumed that it would be the $99 they have posted for MD since that is where I would be picking it up. I wasn't aware that my titling it in another state would allow me to escape those fees, but thanks for the info.

Do your Hoemwork!

Isn't that what monitoring/participating in this forum is...doing homework? People sharing their knowledge and experience so we can all learn and benefit from that knowledge.

jb_turner

Shop around you will get more than $699 off of MSRP. What really matters is the OTD price.

nnnnnpatel

Is it possible to get fully loaded V6 XLE with navi, and vsc for $27,000 or so from a dealer in southern california?

angie

wuzhj

A dealer gave me a quote for this Camry 07 CE (AT) with the price of $19215.00 plus fees. Do you think this is a good deal? Thanks a lot!!!

tuebrook

Boo Hoo , nobody had a response for me. I am going ahead with my deal. I will choose to believe that no response means that nobody wanted to tell me I might be crazy.

I sure hope I don't end up as a poster in the Woes forum.

rcellio

Hi, I have a Barcelona Red TCH with about 500 miles on it. All options. I'd be willing to sell it to you. I like the Hybrid system so much I'm getting a GS 450h.

rcellio

I forgot to mention that I'm located in Monterey, CA.

clipper1

Nope -- not a good deal at all.

wvgasguy

wvgasguy, I've seen in your earlier posts that you live in central WV. Anywhere near Buckhannon? Did you check out more than one dealership? Any recommendations?

Sorry I didn't notice your post earlier. I'm in Jane Lew. I bought the first one at Buckhannon Auto Mall. They treated me well (but then again I bought 5 cars off of then in the last year). I've never had much luck at Cava's and the former owner in Fairmont. I could have dealt in Charleston where I have bought several Toyotas but I wanted to buy local if treated righ. They wanted my business and I wanted a TCH before the June 5th deadline for the WV Tax Credit ($3750)

But what is "real" city driving? Is driving around little 'ole Buckhannon at 25-35 mph "real" city driving? Any insights based on your TCH experience driving in central WV?

We don't have "real" city driving around here like some of the areas discussed on this forum. We have highway and rural 55 mph roads. Driving from Jane Lew to Buckhannon I get 38 mpg over to Lowes but by the time I'm back home I'm at 42 mpg (Buckhannon Mountain really helps that) I'm averaging 39 mpg over almost 11,000 miles but I work at it. I wouldn't think less than 36 would be possible in our area unless you're doing a lot of 5 mile commuting daily. Driving around Weston is almost all battery if I work at it and the back roads around Jacksons Mill are 46+ (my high is 57 on a 15 mile loop)

I have a 4Runner as well and if the HH will tow 3500# I may consider trading at some point. 25 mpg does not justify trading but if I were reconsidering I would have bought the HH. I don't put a lot of miles on the 4Runner.

I like the new RAV4 and for resale and overall cost to own and utility it's hard to beat.

I'm trying real hard to get my company to get me an Escape Hybrid for my new company vehicle (they won't buy a "foreign" brand name). Jenkins has a nice looking Blue one in their showroom. It's not a HH though as far as comfort.

moondog4

I may be wrong but I can't, for the life of me, see why anyone would pay near list or list much less anything over list. A deal is when you get a good price for the car you want. If people stopped paying these rediculous prices you would see the prices drop in a heart beat. This is just my humble opinion.

topgun7

"A deal is when you get a good price for the car you want. "

Moondog, I think you answer your own question. Whether a deal is good or not has nothing to do with MSRP or invoice. When you buy a house, do you ask what the previous owner bought the house for? I don't think anyone care. But for whatever reason, we get very emotional about what a dealer may be making. A good deal really is just the best price one can get within a reasonable distance. For people in LA, there seems to be a lot of dealers and they will certain get better deal that it is hard to match. For people who live in a town with only one dealer, the deal will suck unless he/she shop in one of the bigger town near by. If a dealer is desperate to move their inventory, they will sell their car below invoice. If a car is hot and they have buyers line up, why should they sell less than the top price that they can get??? Isn't that how capitalism work? And if we value our money, we would wait for price to go down before buying. For other who has money and want to be the first kid in the block to own the best toy in town, they will pay top dollars. Right now Accord is pretty much below invoice in California. Wonder why Honda dealer need to discount it so much and should we cry for them (no, I won't)??

wvgasguy

I may be wrong but I can't, for the life of me, see why anyone would pay near list or list much less anything over list.

So instead of a loaded TCH at $30,589 with no discount you'd consider my $48,000 Expedition with a $12,000 rebate and discount as a "better" deal?

Supply and demand determine market price.

My friend just paid $23,000 for a Hyundai because he got a "deal". I got the TCH witha total of $6300+ in state and federal tax credits and I will have less than $24,000 in my TCH. Who got the better deal?

Answer: Both of us got the deal we wanted. However we both agree I got a good deal and only he thinks he got a good deal.

agnosto

I found out that you can get a navigation on a base TCH like the one I am negotiating, as it is easy for the dealer will not have to do all the add-ons at the port... below is a sale price for a 2007 TCH:
>Options:
>
>Heated Outside Mirrors
>Navigation
>Carpet Mats
>Mud Guards
>
>Out the door Price:
>
>MSRP: $28,163.58
>Discount: 878.00
>
>Selling Price: 27,285.58
>
>Tax 818.57
>Doc. Fee 399.00
>Title Fee 49.00
>Tag Fee 68.00
>Inspection 9.30
>
>Total $28,629.45

Is it a good deal (no factory leather or moon roof, just a plain TCH with NAV and heated mirrors from factory) ???

clipper1

Not bad -- because you got stuck paying doc fees -- you got the TCH for MSRP minus $479 -- Not bad -- actually pretty good.

Never -- EVER -- EVER get stuck paying those excessive doc fees.....

wvgasguy

MSRP $30,589.00
Discount $500.00
Purchase Price $30,089
DOC FEE $49.00
PLATES & TITLE WORK+Taxes $71.95

Fed Tax Credit $2600
WV State Tax Credit $3750 (over 3 years)

My taxes were low because I traded "even" and in WV you only pay on the difference.

moondog4

You are comparing apples and elephants. If you pay $30500 for a TCH and I pay $29000 for the SAME car- then who got the better deal. It is true that the market sets the price but who is the market (you and everyone else). If the market resists then the price seeks the level of the market- just like water seeks its own level - Moondog4

moondog4

In a recent Consumer Reports report they discussed the value of a hybrid and when I read it I was supprised to see many of the benefits evaporate. They say that the premium that is paid for a hybrid is not offset by the cost of fuel, mileage difference, increase in Insurance, expected depreciation and cost of repairs because of the dual power system. As for the government tax breaks - you have to qualify for them , those tax breaks come with a lot of hooks on them. The market will change considerably as the competition heats up and the prices will drop on these cars.

clipper1

Then you should WAIT for years?????

wvgasguy

You are comparing apples and elephants

Sure I am because when I make a purchase decision I am comparing two cars. You said you wouldn't buy without a discount. I'm saying some cars in demand won't discount and that's OK. The MSRP IS it's market price and thus it's what it's worth. My $48,000 Expedition was only worth $36,000 because of the discounts.

I made the mistake once of NOT buying a MB because at the time they said they had a new policy of pricing their cars at MSRP. I said I'm no fool I won't buy unless I get a discount. Well I bought something else because they gave me a discount. I was a fool. I never was happy with the car and wish I had sucked up my pride and bought what I wanted.

There are a lot of cars out there selling at or near MSRP and they are still "good deals" because you can't really compare (as you imply) a BMW 330Ci with no discount to a Hyundai Sonora with a $3500 discount. They are indeed both "good " deals but are apples and elephants.

If you got the same car I bought for $29,000 that's great, you'd be the only one in the US out of 18,000 sold that has gotten that deal.

wvgasguy

In a recent Consumer Reports report they discussed the value of a hybrid and when I read it I was supprised to see many of the benefits evaporate. They say that the premium that is paid for a hybrid is not offset by the cost of fuel, mileage difference, increase in Insurance, expected depreciation and cost of repairs because of the dual power system. As for the government tax breaks - you have to qualify for them , those tax breaks come with a lot of hooks on them. The market will change considerably as the competition heats up and the prices will drop on these cars.

And I believe EVERY thing I read???

My hybrid system costs NOTHING extra after tax credits, I actually saved on a compariably equiped car.

My milage is AVERAGING 39 mpg, I've already saved $1,000 in three months over my previous car

My insurance went down $9 / month

The "dual" power system (hybrid) componets have a 100,000 mile warranty

Any yes you actually have to have a job and pay taxes before you can claim a tax break. (comment not directed at those with the AMT)

The prices of the Prius have not dropped and used ones are commanding near MSRP of their original sticker.

Any other concerns?

You're certainly not going to convince any of us we made a bad decision.

agnosto

You are missing the point once again others and my self try to make. Stooooooooooooooop paying MSRP or high sale price and then you will ONLY see (besides other factors) the drop in price, but people simply do not do it and get excited and say heh what the heck a couple more thousands... no big deal.

jb_turner

The price of the vehicle paid is USELESS if a trade is involved.
I have noticed people paying MSRP or a few hundred lower for the TCH... next time start invoice up or shop for the best prices comparing apples to apples.

wvgasguy

You are missing the point once again others and my self try to make.

No, I don't miss your point, you're missing mine.

The reality is that a car that only sells 40,000 units a year where there is a buyer lined up for every single one they make you're not going to see a drop in price anytime soon. Sure if no one buys them they will drop. That's not reality, it's a fantasy. Thus finding one you want and paying at or near MSRP is as good as a deal as you can expect and it's a "good" deal in today's market.

Hot items, reguardless if it's cars, iPods, X-boxes or beany babies are HOT because people want them and they want them now not three years from now when the supply catches up with the demand of 300,000,000 consumers in the United States. If I decide to sit out and wait until the price drops then I'll be buying it when the next hot (and better) item comes out.

kyfdx

If anyone wants to post their price paid or buying experience, please do so...

There are a lot of theoretical discussions in the Smart Shopper forums...

thanks,
kyfdx

wvgasguy

The price of the vehicle paid is USELESS if a trade is involved.
I have noticed people paying MSRP or a few hundred lower for the TCH... next time start invoice up or shop for the best prices comparing apples to apples.

Again, this is not living in reality for a TCH. Invoice on a TCH is meaningless. I do agree what many people have done is to see a bad deal hidden by the true cost due to a trade.

KBB, NADA and Edmunds all have trade in prices and private party sell prices. Most dealers in my area use KBBtrade-in prices AND they seldom will allow more than a "good" condition allowance even when the car is almost new and on warranty. That's rediculus but it is the price to pay if you want to trade.

In WV there is an advantage to trading because the taxes are only on the difference rather than the full purchase price on a cash purchase. Of course the dealers know that and try to screw you on a trade knowing just how far they can take it.

Trading a car is seldom a good experience, at least financially.

Most of the posts here do not tell you what they got on trade. I did a long time ago show my deal. I've had over 35 cars and usually took a beating. My last deal though I had an exceptionally clean low milage Infiniti FX45 and was given PRIVATE PARTY Value against a $500 discount on a TCH.

I dare say NO ONE got a better trade deal than that.

It did take though me threatening my dealer. I had bought 5 new cars in the last two years from them and told them I expected a good deal (a token discount and a good trade) if they wanted to keep me as a customer. From what I read on these forums though most people don't have a dealer they can call"their own" and many people actually buy over the internet. Don't expect any dealership loyalty like that.

moondog4

:surprise: I just got a price for a Camry LE 4cyl with sunroof pkg, VSC, Aluminum wheels, carpets and body side moldings for $20800 and an SE without VSC for $21800. Do you think I am being BS'D or does this sound in line? This is for the cars only - no TTL etc.

wvgasguy

I like the SE looks enough to put another $1000 in it. It's a shame though that they don't all come with the VSC.

sammya_md

I have a different view. All the SE's I've seen have VSC on them.

moondog4

That may be true with the 6 cyl but I am not sure about the 4 cyl - they do come with 17" alloys and leather steering wheel and shift and some other little sporty goodies like the suspension. Both were a great ride a real pleasure to drive. Befor I drove these I tried a Hyundai Azera and all I can say is WOW. The manufacturer name is the problem but the cars was really nice and peppy - a limited for $22500. Has a 6cyl Leather and is loaded.

w9cw

The included "options" on the Camry SE depend upon in which Toyota region of the country you purchase the car. For example, you can't get an SE at a local dealer here without a sunroof, but this is not the case elsewhere in the USA.

The absolute best way to negotiate a purchase price of any new car is: 1). Do not have a trade-in (sell your car privately), and 2). Write a check for the new car, i.e. pay cash. Now, you may be able to get a better overall deal if you use Toyota's financing - if they should offer a financing rebate (seldom offered, but if they do, always take the money) - and, pay it off after 30 days.

Re. "moondog4" post: Hyundai's name is the problem. Yes, this is indeed true, but it's changing with every new model, as Hyundai's quality is far better than most consumers perceive - unfortunately, only current owners know how good they really are. After all, Hyundai did rank 3rd in the most recent J.D. Powers Initial Quality Study, behind Porsche and Lexus, but above Honda and Toyota. Nevertheless, the Camry continues to be a fine car, even with the reported transmission and cruise control teething problems.

moondog4

I drove a Camry 4 cyl yesterday and I did notice a hesitation when giving it the gas but not all the time. Does anyone know if there is a fix in for this. I have a 4cyl Highlander 04 and don't have that problem. I also drove a 6cyl and didn't have that happen.

Regarding the Azera - if I didn't know it was a Hyundai I would probable bye it.

moondog4

Anyone out there have any stories about purchase prices for a 4cyl Camry LE?

agnosto

Here is my deal for a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid Titanium Metallic/Ash Leather for an OTD $32,500 (MSRP $31,099.00) to be delivered by 9/28/06 with the following options:

CQAT (Comfort & Convenience Package)
LAAT (Leather Package Includes: Power Driver)
NVAT (Navigation w/ JBL Premium Audio 4-Disc)
SRAT (Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof)
MG30 (Splashguards - Color Keyed)
PV50 (Carpet Mats and Trunk Mats)
XY40 (Toyoguard Protection Group)

littlejohn600

DO NOT EVER-EVER BUY THIS OPTION UNLESS YOU GET A HUGE DISCOUNT. The mark-up is a few hundred dollars (See Kelley Blue www.kbb.com).

agnosto

I know that and I am fully aware of the markup... XY40 is a port installed option and some dealers remove it others do not, which I do like to have it as I am fully aware of the value of ToyoGuard, but some do not value it, personal preference. I was able to have them remove the IL10 (interior console light) and TW50 (window tint) port installed options...

jb_turner

What does "port installed option" mean? and how do dealers remove XY40?

agnosto

"port installed option" means that when a SE Toyota dealership vehicle arrives at the port (i.e. Jacksonville, FL or Brunswick, GA) it gets a list of items that the SE dealer has requested to be added. Some dealers that are less greedy can work a deal and have these "port installed options" removed where others do not.

As a matter of fact, today I confirmed that I will not get the following port installed options:

1. IL10 (Interior Lights -- $249)
2. TW50 (Window Tint -- $259)

I also did verify (in their NEW TOYOTA INVENTORY) that the MSRP changed from $31,973.00 down to $31,465.00 = ($31,973.00 - $249 - 259)

BTW, I did get the port installed XY40 as I have seen on my other vehicles big difference the one that had it with the ones that did not...

XY40 $619 consists of:

1. Exterior Paint Sealant

2. Glass Etch Theft Deterrent

3. Interior Fabric Protector

4. Toyo Guard Sealant Cleaner

5. Undercoating/Sound Shield




I hope this helps...

wvgasguy

XY40 $619 consists of:
1. Exterior Paint Sealant
2. Glass Etch Theft Deterrent
3. Interior Fabric Protector
4. Toyo Guard Sealant Cleaner
5. Undercoating/Sound Shield

I know many of you are stuck getting this, but it seems like the only value here is the $50 wax job and the $10 scotch guard. Personally I don't want the undercoating on a car that is undercoated from the factory already.

As far as etching if someone steals my car and does who knows what with it I would just as soon get a new one and hope they never find the old one.

jb_turner

Agnosto,

Thank You for the prompt response. I guess there are some options that can NOT be removed such as undercoating or paint sealant. So if a Camry is built in Georgetown, KY can it have port installed options?

agnosto

Some options could be removed but it is entirely to dealership's discretion whether to install them or not when the vehicle arrives at the port.
Although I am not sure what the process is in GeorgeTown KY, I do believe it would be pretty much the same, except the ToyoGuard but not sure though...

basskey

Hi,
I was at a Toyota Dealer in the Bay area, and here was the story I was told.
I put in a deposit for the Camry now, at which time the dealer orders the Camry.
Once the Camry arrives, the negotiation for the Camry is done at that point in time with the Camry in his lot(and there are hardly any LEs in his lot). Here the Minimum Price is 21,300 for LE - AT with Moonroof (Invoice as per dealer), and the max price is the MSRP.
At that point if there is another consumer prepared to pay more than me for the car I wanted, he gets preference and I go back in line.
This kind of a market almost appears like a strong sellers market, almost akin to buying houses in the bay area with buyers over-bidding on each other.
Is it that bad, and if it is, is it worth it?

wvgasguy

At that point if there is another consumer prepared to pay more than me for the car I wanted, he gets preference and I go back in line.

Sounds like they need to get rid of their sales staff and just auction their cars off on eBay.

sammya_md

I am not sure about the entire auction atmosphere that you are mentioning. I ordered an SE, which will be arriving in a month, and the car will be labeled as "SOLD", and no one will be able to drive or touch it except me. Basically, I have the right of first refusal on it (which of course is nice, but I want the car obviously). So if this is what the dealer told you, then perhaps you should look elsewhere.

mawizard

I've been talking to a dealer in CT for my fully loaded SE V6. It's been close to 2 months since the car was ordered. It's scheduled to arrive soon. Now the dealer says Camry's are being sold on premium prices and by the time my SE hits the road it might cost me $ 35,000. :surprise: I'm planning to lease this car. Why should I pay 35 for a camry ? Any similar experiences with SE V6 ?

wvgasguy

Why should I pay 35 for a camry ? Any similar experiences with SE V6 ?

I wouldn't, that puts you in the range of a Lexus ES350.

I'll assume they ordered it into stock (even though for you), but you had no written deal.

This is a nice car but it's NO $35,000 car. There are other options in that range that I would consider.

guru_g

If I were you, I would get a fully loaded Infiniti G35 sedan for around $32K OTD. A significantly better car than the camry SE in terms of handling, engine, acceleration, HP etc. Your dealer is just trying to take you for a BIG ride!! If you want a camry, I would strongly suggest that you go to another dealer who is not trying to swindle you.

mfletou1

Talk to a trustworthy dealer like Fitzgerald Automall in MD. Lots of us have bought our cars there. Or at least talk to them and see if they can get you the car you want. If they can't, they'll sell it to you well under MSRP like this one.

If you strike a deal, grab a flight into DC, IAD or BWI, and they'll meet you at the airport. Others on the board have done it had a great experience. This is the best dealership group in America.

Body: CAMRY SE V6 AUTO
Color: Super White
Interior: Ash Gray Leather
Stock#: 520032
Model#: 2550
VIN#: 4T1BK46K17U520032
Delivered Internet Price: $27,156

Delivered Value Price: $27,525

Factory Invoice: $26,656

MSRP: $29,988

http://www.fitzmall.com/carfind/resultsb.asp?Search=NEW&ID=520032&photo=TO072550- &loc=LFT&mall=GA&year=2007&mk_code=TO

basskey

The best quote I have got so far for this car is from carsdirect..pricing a little below 21000...any other experiences for this car (LE with moonroof)...what are the prices that you folks are getting?
Dealers typically come in 300-400 above that.

wvgasguy

I would get a fully loaded Infiniti G35 sedan

If not for getting the TCH, the G35X would have by far been a lot higher on my list of favorites to consider. I enjoyed my FX45 ownership experience