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By the way, Chloe is a darling!
Any idea about the shape of the space behind the third row? I'm looking for enough space to fit a double stroller.
Cheers
Pat
The MDX is pretty fun to drive. Has some body roll, but not really bad. Steering is good, turning circle is tight, and the power is terrific.
Cheers
Pat
I need to decide on a color so I can secure my place on the list with a color that I am fairly confident will look good in reality.
Hey Varmint, Don't you have some more photographs of the Pilot from the dealership up northeast? I think your holding out on us.
What colors are everyone else here planning on?
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The MDX's leather is of average quality but is not anything special. Leather is used on seating surfaces (the stuff that touches you) and only a few other places. Elsewhere it's vinyl that matches the leather. Some is relatively trivial, e.g. the third row seat is not leather but I think that's fine given the general target audience of that seat.
My main concern about the leather quality is that it seems relatively thin, and is only surface dyed. Many MDX owners have reported significant amounts of wrinkles and creasing at stress points (e.g. the part of the seat below your thigh near the knee). In the worse cases, one or two have reported actual cracking. In those cases, it probably wasn't as much cracks as it was the edges of the wrinkles getting the color rubbed off through abrasion (e.g. jeans).
I've been carefully using Lexol to try to extend the lifetime of the leather, and I hope that helps.
Some of the MDX's competitors have clearly thicker leather, and leather that is fully dyed, not just surface dyed.
The MDX leather is perforated while the Pilot is not. I don't think there's any loss there. Some MDX owners have reported a brief time when little "hairs" from the fabric underneath the seat popping through the perforation holes, until they get worn off (picture an owner trying to shave them off ...). This is known as the "hairy seat" feature. ;-)
Since I expect the Pilot's leather to be of a similar quality to the MDX's, I think it's something to look out for. Be sure to clean and condition the leather carefully!
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I was thinking of getting the EX with cloth. Let the kids (7 & 3) do their spills and stuff on the cloth for about 1.5 - 2 years and then do the leather upgrade through katzkin (this should be enough time for them to come up with the Pilot kit).
I figure the difference between EX and EX-L is about $1500 for the Odyssey so it should be an almost break-even deal.
What do you guys think?
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There are some vehicles where the designer pulls it off (RX300 and S2000 come to mind). Those tend to be the understated designs.
Bob
ot - he also promised to sell us our pilot at msrp (b/c he has a business relationship w/ my father-in-law); in general they plan on selling for $5k over. we'll see...
I suggest you check with katzkin or with the person they recommended to see when the
leather kit for the Pilot will be available. These are kits that fit the factory seats like a glove.
I assume they have to somehow work with the car manufacturer and the Pilot being a brand
new car...
I don't know his source, but 29+ for the EX without leather or other stuff, puts the price perilously close to the MDX (34.7K which includes leather, sunroof, ... and a track record.
He may have been speculating, or trying to guess high so when it came in lower, we'd be happy. But it would be irritating.
Looks like coming soon. Early ones go to autotesters but with 366 out there should see one soon.
INKY
None of the other stuff, either: heated seats, outside thermometer, compass, heated mirrors, etc. At the NY Auto Show I was told by a Honda rep that this MIGHT have been part of a deal with Acura about selling something too much like the MDX. Makes sense.
(Actually, my local Acura dealership does provide a lot more than my local Honda dealerships, like loaners and wash/vacuum with any service, but that hasn't been the case for a number of owners, so it's a your-mileage-may-vary situation.)
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-mike
Suggested Retail Price $498. This changer kit comes with the required attachment and mounts under the passenger seat. - Six disc capacity. - Direct access and scan functions. - Direct disc selection. - Repeat function. - Skip and search functions. - Three-beam laser pickup with die-cast zinc chassis. - 8X oversampling and 16-bit linear system. NOTE: LX models come standard with a CD Tuner. EX models have a standard 6 Disc In-Dash Changer.
It says the EX models have a standard 6 Disc In-Dash Changer.
Does anyone know if this is true?
I believe that the EX WILL come with an in dash 6 cd changer, probably similiar to the on found in the 2002 CRV EX. It is a great system as far as not having to go into your trunk to change the cd's when you are sick of one of the ones in the changer.
-mike
That is what I am hoping because we will be traveling a lot with the Pilot and having 6 discs up front makes a nice trip. If that is true then the only options I will be getting will be the trailer hitch package, the cross bars and the front air deflector. Thanks for the info.
Joe
2500lbs should be fine on the highway.
As for the torque to pull it up a wet ramp...
It's hard to say, could you pull it up the ramp with the S10 blazer in 4wd hi? Don't forget the MDX/Pilot doesn't have low-range gears which can effectively double or triple the torque you have available. If the S10 can pull it out in 4wd hi, then you shouldn't have a problem. I have a 2500lb 17ft boat and usually pull it out in 2wd with my trooper, sometimes I use 4wd hi even on a wet ramp.
-mike
- One dealer refused to take preorders or deposit - preferring to tell their potential customers that they will get 8 vehicles in June and 12 in July - with no chance to pre-order specifics. Wow - it felt like they were afraid to take my money!
- I then called another dealer who checked his inventory and found that he had three vehicles available from the May allottment and offered to let me order to my specs for the next available production run if needed. Both have stated that they will not sell for more than MSRP (however, they wouldn't sell for less, either). The second has had a lot of inquiries to date, but only a few consumers have been willing to put down a $500 deposit. Might be some hesitation because of the low level of exposure on the Pilot. He also stated that the leather will be the same leather as the Accord and Odyssey. Any experience with either type?
I have heard conjecture about heated seats and CD changer with the EX - however neither is shown on the Honda web site under the specifications section. I think we are setting ourselves up for a letdown on these items.
Also, the reason for no sunroof lies in the fact that the entertainment system will be in the same location. Since the DVD model (EX) would most certainly be expected to have the sunroof option, the design-around could not be completed before rollout. Oh well, maybe next year...
I track this post often - thanks for the enlightening discussion!
I can pull the boat up the ramp in both 2wd high and 4wd high on the s-10. I like using 4wd low because if the nice low end power. Well it will be interesting the first time I pull the boat out. Thanks for all the input.
Joe