hondaman/bess - www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html allows you to easily calculate the per-centage your speedometer will be wrong when varying the tire size from the stock size. Going from 205/70/15 to 225/65/16 results in the speedometer being 4.6% too slow - the speedometer will read 60 mph when the vehicle is travelling 62.8 mph. Hope this helps.
Thanks paride, I will have to have a look. I am off for the next week on business and will keep tabs on the site. This time I am flying so I guess a direct comparison to airplanes would not be appropriate!!!!
Did everyone miss the rest of the story in reading about the Focus?
"Separately, NHTSA said it had also upgraded an investigation into thousands of complaints about engines stalling without warning on Ford's Escape compact sport utility vehicle and the Tribute SUV sold by Ford's Mazda subsidiary."
Nah, Steve. I didn't miss it. Until we have some real numbers, we can't say much about it. "Thousands of complaints" isn't much to discuss. We already know that stalling is an issue (even Scape cannot deny that it exists). When the NHTSA releases a definitive statement, we'll have some fodder for the cannons.
ceases to amaze me how HOnda can get away with transmission failures, recalls, ect, along with hiding TSB information.. on its model lines and its "ok", yet when Ford has problems.. watch out...
Well, sort of. A lot of people think that Ford is going to go under or be bought out. That article shows things in a different "light".
"Honda's are not catching on fire or stalling or blowing tires left and right."
Yes they are. We have gone over this a thousand times. The whole ignition cable recall that affected millions of Honda's was to stop fires and stalling. The current Civic also had a recall or two to stop fires. The transmission fiasco that is currently out in the open causes vehicles to not only stall, but cease moving too. At least you can still navigate the Escape when it stalls! That one affects something like half of the vehicles that Honda produced in the past 2-3 years.
Also, if any Honda had those Firestone's on it, it had to go into the shop for new ones too. That wasn't Ford specific. They just used more of them than anyone else.
I stand corrected about the fire issue, I wasn't aware of them.
However, the firestones on the Explorer was a unique issue. The Firestones had issues when they were stressed as much as they were in certain conditions. These conditions were on a heavy Explorer "who" was recommended to have a tire pressure of 26 psi to prevent body roll. This combination along with Firestones was the issue.
Okay, I see what you mean. I've never believed that Ford was looking at such doom and gloom, so my baseline is a little different. In fact, I was just considering buying Ford stock. It has no where to go but up, right?
varmint, I was considering buying some myself. I think it pretty much has been rated as a steal right now. Better get moving before Bill Ford and his family buy the rest!
davegh, We all have our views on the Firestone issue, but the fact is, Firestone recalled all of the tires due to a defect. Any vehicle equipped with them, Ford or not, had to go into the shop for replacements. I believe they used manufacture dates to determine which tires could fail.
I do agree that a combination of things made them fail. My combination probably differs from yours though.
Information that Honda deams ok to release to the public of course... If you would get out on the internet and visit other site/chat rooms you will see there are plenty of peeved off Honda owners out here.. Did a little experiment. Honda owners are always screaming about resale value. As you know my wife owns a 2000 Accord LX automatic. I wanted to see what kind of deal I could get for a 2002 EX since it was end of model year ect.... I bought this car for just under $17,000. I brought it to my friends dealership for a trade in value. $11,000 tops was all he could give me!!??? Went to another larger dealership $9,750!!?? This guy told me "LX's are are all over, nobody really wants them"?? Whats going on here Honda people??? Where is this golden trade in value??
I bought a 98 CRV in 1998 (new) for $19,000. I put 68,000 miles on it and in November 2001, 3 years later, I traded it in and received $14,000 for it!
That is a $5,000 loss over 3 years and 68,000 miles! That IS my experience.
I am not talking about an Accord I am talking about my CRV. Although, my friend who had a 4 cyl Accord EX received a great deal for his last spring when he traded it in for a 99 CRV.
These two examples are Honda dealers and that may be why they are willing to pay more for them because they know that people will be looking for used Hondas. If you brought yours to a Ford dealer then I can see why they wouldn't want to offer you a lot.
Paid $20,820 for it in Nov. 2000, just traded it in on my Miata in August 2002 for $17,500. That's $3,320 depreciation in nearly 2 years and 24,000 miles.
I think that the CR-V will have a higher trade-in value than an Accord, in terms of rate of depreciation, for the simple fact that there are waaay more Accords (especially LXs) than there are CR-V's. Likewise, I'm sure the Escape has a lower rate of depreciation than a Taurus or an Explorer.
When I was looking for a used car, I wanted to buy a Civic. Dealer wanted ~$10,000 for a 3 yr old Civic whereas a brand new one was ~$14,000. Needless to say, I bought new.
Manager friend who runs a Honda dealership and asked about these claims of 14,000 for a 98 CRV with 68,000 miles and 17,500 for an 01 with 24K miles. His response was " they made it up some other way, either financing, or in the sale of the new car".
As a employee of a company that participates in the Ford X plan (Mazda S plan), I was assuming that I could get a better deal on the Tribute than with other vehicles such as the Honda CRV. I was shocked by the amount of money that the Mazda and Ford dealers were willing to accept for my trade (98 Jeep Cherokee Sport with many extras ($5100). $5200 at a Ford dealer). We left both dealers with no plans to purchase an Escape/Tribute. We liked the way the Tribute/ Escape handled with the exception of how the transmission upshifted and seemed never to be satified with the gear it was in. This morning we got a price on a 2003 Honda CRV 4wd LX ($20000) and $7100 trade for our Cherokee with 77k. We drove the CRV and really enjoyed the way it handled, The transmission shifted much smoother than the Tribute and overall the CRV seemed more pleasant to drive. If we would have purchased the Tribute LX 4wd (no extras) we would have paid over $2500 over the deal we got on the CRV. I guess you can tell which vehicle we purchased
And for you to say so just shows how easy it is spout one's ignorant mouth off while cowering behind the anyonymity of the internet.
Don't see how they made up the "loss" they took on my trade. I got my 02 Miata for $100 over invoice (according to Edmunds.com) + $149 doc. fee and 0% financing for 60 months (no back-end profit here folks). Maybe I got lucky, but I wouldn't have bought the car for any more than what I paid for it.
that picture looks alot like the M-ONE-11 ford escape concept for a convertable version. The only downside to the M-ONE-11 is there is no top for the back, and I for 1 would not want an open back car here in PA in the winter. It needs a rag-top.
As you some of you are aware I have a neighbor with a 2000/01 Gold CRV EX. Pulling up tonight I noticed rear damage along with plastic covering the back window area. I walked over and asked if everyone was ok. The vehicle was still drivable. But... Someone hit her doing about 10mph and yyeeeeeeouch! That rear tire is a bad deal CRV owners.. Bumper toast, back glass exploded she said..., tailgate huge dent... I am sure many of you remember the posts about this way back.....
I thought you might like to read this. This is a post by sgwilson33763 from the Ford Escape topic...
""It's no secret Ford is in serious financial trouble. Now, apparently to cut costs and avoid further layoffs, it appears "Job 2" is to stip the Escape (and other Ford vehicles?) so cars can be made more cheaply while holding the line on the retail price.
For the Escape XLT--all cars to be produced starting early next month--it means:
* raised white letter tires are no available even as an option
* the rear security/privacy shade will no longer be available
* the overhead console is being removed as standard equipment and not available as an option
* lumbar support on the driver's seat being eliminated
* even the cheap, plastic coathooks where you hang your jacket in the rear seat area are being removed
There may be other deletions...I have not received a complete list and would appreciate a more-detailed post on "Job 2" from any insider who knows.
Bottom line: if you're thinking about an Escape XLT, find what you want on a lot near you NOW...the ones that are coming are going to be much, much "cheaper"...cheaper MADE, not cheaper priced!"
I do not think that anyone should say that the Escape is a BAD vehicle because it is not. Some of us had BAD experiences with it but this can happen with every vehicle........period. However, how frequent problems happen are part of a companies structure and Ford has the most of the big three right now and does not really seem to be on the road to recovery. The Escape has some advantages but in the long run, I don't think that it is built on a very strong platform.
Separately, NHTSA said it had also upgraded an investigation into thousands of complaints about engines stalling without warning on Ford's Escape compact sport-utility vehicle and the Tribute SUV sold by Ford's Mazda subsidiary.
The complaints involve vehicles from the 2001 and 2002 model years, NHTSA said.
Adding to a litany of vehicle safety and quality issues at Ford, NHTSA said it had also opened an engineering analysis into complaints of engine compartment fires stemming from alleged defects in a speed control deactivation switch on several full-size Ford sedans.
About 1.8 million Town Car, Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis sedans from the 1992-1997 model years were the target of that investigation, NHTSA said.
A spokesman for Ford said the world's No. 2 automaker was aware of the NHTSA investigations and cooperating with safety regulators.
That looks like a cut and paste from some Reuters article? Please just link to copyrighted work and just quote a brief paragraph or so. More gets us in trouble with the copyright lawyers. Thanks!
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What happened to American brand loyalty?
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=13522&make_id=trust
http://hondanews.com/forms/corp/sales/02oct.html
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/021105-8.htm
Way to go Ford! Wow... that company never ceases to amaze me.
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"Separately, NHTSA said it had also upgraded an investigation into thousands of complaints about engines stalling without warning on Ford's Escape compact sport utility vehicle and the Tribute SUV sold by Ford's Mazda subsidiary."
Forbes
Steve, Host
http://www.forbes.com/home/2002/11/04/cz_jf_1104flint.html
Baggs - That was a lighter note?
Honda's are not catching on fire or stalling or blowing tires left and right. I think that is a very clear difference...
Yea. Right.
Well, sort of. A lot of people think that Ford is going to go under or be bought out. That article shows things in a different "light".
"Honda's are not catching on fire or stalling or blowing tires left and right."
Yes they are. We have gone over this a thousand times. The whole ignition cable recall that affected millions of Honda's was to stop fires and stalling. The current Civic also had a recall or two to stop fires. The transmission fiasco that is currently out in the open causes vehicles to not only stall, but cease moving too. At least you can still navigate the Escape when it stalls! That one affects something like half of the vehicles that Honda produced in the past 2-3 years.
Also, if any Honda had those Firestone's on it, it had to go into the shop for new ones too. That wasn't Ford specific. They just used more of them than anyone else.
I stand corrected about the fire issue, I wasn't aware of them.
However, the firestones on the Explorer was a unique issue. The Firestones had issues when they were stressed as much as they were in certain conditions. These conditions were on a heavy Explorer "who" was recommended to have a tire pressure of 26 psi to prevent body roll. This combination along with Firestones was the issue.
Okay, I see what you mean. I've never believed that Ford was looking at such doom and gloom, so my baseline is a little different. In fact, I was just considering buying Ford stock. It has no where to go but up, right?
I was considering buying some myself. I think it pretty much has been rated as a steal right now. Better get moving before Bill Ford and his family buy the rest!
davegh,
We all have our views on the Firestone issue, but the fact is, Firestone recalled all of the tires due to a defect. Any vehicle equipped with them, Ford or not, had to go into the shop for replacements. I believe they used manufacture dates to determine which tires could fail.
I do agree that a combination of things made them fail. My combination probably differs from yours though.
http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_045377
Did a little experiment. Honda owners are always screaming about resale value. As you know my wife owns a 2000 Accord LX automatic. I wanted to see what kind of deal I could get for a 2002 EX since it was end of model year ect.... I bought this car for just under $17,000. I brought it to my friends dealership for a trade in value. $11,000 tops was all he could give me!!??? Went to another larger dealership $9,750!!?? This guy told me "LX's are are all over, nobody really wants them"?? Whats going on here Honda people??? Where is this golden trade in value??
That is a $5,000 loss over 3 years and 68,000 miles! That IS my experience.
I am not talking about an Accord I am talking about my CRV. Although, my friend who had a 4 cyl Accord EX received a great deal for his last spring when he traded it in for a 99 CRV.
These two examples are Honda dealers and that may be why they are willing to pay more for them because they know that people will be looking for used Hondas. If you brought yours to a Ford dealer then I can see why they wouldn't want to offer you a lot.
I think that the CR-V will have a higher trade-in value than an Accord, in terms of rate of depreciation, for the simple fact that there are waaay more Accords (especially LXs) than there are CR-V's. Likewise, I'm sure the Escape has a lower rate of depreciation than a Taurus or an Explorer.
$17,500 for a 2001 CR_V with 24000 miles?
Yeah right!
grow up
Scape,
I paid MSRP for the 2002 CRV on the trade. I got 5.34% financing.
I think there are far better ways of expressing skepticism - let's use them! :-)
tidester, host
Don't see how they made up the "loss" they took on my trade. I got my 02 Miata for $100 over invoice (according to Edmunds.com) + $149 doc. fee and 0% financing for 60 months (no back-end profit here folks). Maybe I got lucky, but I wouldn't have bought the car for any more than what I paid for it.
tidester, host
Odie
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=13661
Posting too much on too many boards...can't keep track.
I am sure many of you remember the posts about this way back.....
I thought you might like to read this. This is a post by sgwilson33763 from the Ford Escape topic...
""It's no secret Ford is in serious financial trouble. Now, apparently to cut costs and avoid further layoffs, it appears "Job 2" is to stip the Escape (and other Ford vehicles?) so cars can be made more cheaply while holding the line on the retail price.
For the Escape XLT--all cars to be produced starting early next month--it means:
* raised white letter tires are no available even as an option
* the rear security/privacy shade will no longer be available
* the overhead console is being removed as standard equipment and not available as an option
* lumbar support on the driver's seat being eliminated
* even the cheap, plastic coathooks where you hang your jacket in the rear seat area are being removed
There may be other deletions...I have not received a complete list and would appreciate a more-detailed post on "Job 2" from any insider who knows.
Bottom line: if you're thinking about an Escape XLT, find what you want on a lot near you NOW...the ones that are coming are going to be much, much "cheaper"...cheaper MADE, not cheaper priced!"
The Escape has some advantages but in the long run, I don't think that it is built on a very strong platform.
I will also give Ford and some other manufacturers credit for improving quality and workmanship.
The complaints involve vehicles from the 2001 and 2002 model years, NHTSA said.
Adding to a litany of vehicle safety and quality issues at Ford, NHTSA said it had also opened an engineering analysis into complaints of engine compartment fires stemming from alleged defects in a speed control deactivation switch on several full-size Ford sedans.
About 1.8 million Town Car, Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis sedans from the 1992-1997 model years were the target of that investigation, NHTSA said.
A spokesman for Ford said the world's No. 2 automaker was aware of the NHTSA investigations and cooperating with safety regulators.
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