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Yes, but the other 99.9% of us here don't use snow tires. If you have an Escape with the extra setting, you don't need them as much. Especially because we "Southerners" don't know what ice and snow really are.
Same goes for how you replaced your OEM wheels with 16 inchers. You're not alone, but you aren't even in the same city as the ball park the majority is seated in when it comes to CR-V "rolling stock" either. I can't say that I pay too much attention, but I can't recall ever seeing a CR-V (current or last gen) with anything other than the OEM wheel/tire package bolted to the hubs. I see my fair share of each around here too.
I should also mention that I am basing all of this on my Escape and my brother-in-law's 2001 CR'V. I have not driven, nor do I know anyone who owns, a 2002+ CR-V in the snow.
Seriously, find some test numbers from people who don't drive Camcords to and from work.
Oh you mean like...
JDPOWER.COM
INTELLICHOICE.COM
Why? No one has anything negative to say about them! They just ignore those posts!
So I should start getting numbers and reviews from rags that take ad revenue into account when doing reviews and determining their car of the year? Hmmmmm... I guess that's the only way to win for the big 3.
People keep slamming CR, but never back up any of their statements with FACT. It's getting pathetic already! You don't have to respect their opinions but numbers?? NUMBERS DON'T LIE PEOPLE!
Thanks again, and the argument goes on ......
We can see your points just fine.
That reminds me of the quip: Figures don't lie but liars figure! :-)
tidester, host
Since you brought up safety, and we've been over this 1000 times before too, the fact that the Escape handles and stops better means it is capable of avoiding accidents better. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be able to stay out of the accident than to be a little safer when I'm in one. Also, the Escape earned 5 stars in all but one category where it earned 4.
During accidents there are so many variables that are out of your control such as road conditions suddenly changing, other drivers, being rearended or t-boned etc......Considering these conditions are out of MY control my choice for safety is Honda!
hondaman02 wrote:
Sure you will beat my automatic 0-60 but if you didn't with an extra 40hp, I would be very concerned.
After a few back to back test drives I WAS concerned. Where the heck did that huge 40HP/40FT LBS advantage go????????? And yes, that was with three adults and AC on.
rlei wrote:
If not for the so-believed better reliability, I would buy a domestic over an import any day.
I REALLY did want to buy a domestic this time around. They really have improved in the past few years........but after numerous conversations with domestic owners that quickly put my interests to rest. To be fair though baggs know numerous folks that have many trouble free miles on Fords;)
Reed
Any of you northern folks have some sunscreen.......it's 84F in Austin today!!!!!!
They do when they don't tell you where they came from. No where is it reported how many surveys CR's data comes from. They only tell you if they did not receive the required 100 for any given vehicle.
"During accidents there are so many variables that are out of your control such as road conditions suddenly changing, other drivers, being rearended or t-boned etc"
...and that is exactly why you can't judge the safety of an entire vehicle by one isolated test.
I'm not talking CR reliability ratings, CR is an unreliable source for reliability ratings. It has been proven (I forget how exactly) by many posters that they are a biased company supported by the Japanese. Their tests have no merit. IF I was talking about reliability, I'd bring up J.D. Power or Intellichoice. I am talking road test numbers, braking, acceleration and others posted. Numbers that "vary". How about something to substantiate your posts?
By the way, if were talking about reliablity I'd say take a look at jdpower.com or intellichoice.
I think somebody has to calm down.
We can see your points just fine.
I'm calm, just highlighting things some people seem to be passing over while reading. Just thought it'd be helpful.
Did I mention jdpower and intellichoice?
Steve, Host
As for my 16 inch wheels......I was only comparing what you and Scape have been saying of how much of an advatage it is for handling.....well your right! I have them now and I am sure my numbers would beat your now however, that is not important here now is it? I don't understand why Honda put 15 inchers on there anyways because the look is amazing!
Towing may be "adequate with your CRv and 2 snowmobiles.. but the Escape would tow it better and more confidently. This just amazes me how CRV owners try and try and try so hard to discount the 40HP and 40ft/lbs of torque advantage the Escape has..
I also love how they choose to believe all the stat numbers that are the least beneficial to the Escape.. Some pubs show the Escape stopping up to 9 feet better than the CRV.. 0-60 numbers for the Escape range from 8.2 - 8.5 depending on who you want to believe..
Have you visited www.alldata.com and tried to pull TSB information?? Obviously not.. you can't. A note pops up.. read it..
Overall though, the 2 are so closely matched in almost every category that the factors that will cause you to lean one way or the other are pretty much your own unique personal opinion.
Which one looks better on the outside?
My opinion: I like the more rugged truck like look of the Escape, vs the cutsy look of the CRV with its swept headlights, and pontiac transport style brake lights.
Which one is more comfortable to you on the inside. I prefer Ford's interior.
Can you get the interior features you want, and the color you want?
Which dealership do you like better. (both sales and service departments)..
What are your previous experiences with Ford products or Honda products?
Stop trying to justify your 40hp scape nobody cares! I can pull my snowmobiles no prob and that is all I want to pull. I don't want your Escape after 2 tows my friend! I would take a Liberty no problem however BUT not your thing!
How about following up this post with the numbers you think are MOST beneficial. I Only posted from CR because they put the numbers in a clear concise format for me to compare from. (That and, I am at work...working...) If you can do better, do so, and gimme a link to your source.
I would NEVER discount the Escapes added HP for towing. I also would NEVER use the Escapes added HP for towing. Don't need it. Didn't want it.
Why would I go to alldata when NHTSA offers all of the info you were looking for. They also will give you the entire TSB for a price (like alldata).
Did I mention JDPOWER.COM and INTELLICHOICE.COM?
A lot more depends on the driver than the type of tire. Snow tires would help a lot, but they aren't necessary if you're careful. I have not slid once (knock wood) this winter. My wife is another story though. I wouldn't mind so much if she didn't tell me about it.
"How about something to substantiate your posts?"
I guess you haven't been around here long enough so I'll humor you with some links and data. Next time you're going to have to do a search or go back a few hundred posts to see where all of this has already been posted. More than once.
C&D (Pages 6 and 7 for the Escape)
Escape
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2000/July/2- - 00007_roadtest_ford_escapexlt.xml?&Manufacturer=Ford&Name- - =Escape&class=18&page=5
CR-V (Does not include the full test results for some reason. Some are scattered throughout the article though.)
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2001/novemb- - er/200111_roadtest_crv.xml?Manufacturer=Honda&Name=CR-V&c- - lass=18
0-60 Escape 8.8 CR-V (5 Speed) 8.4
70-0 Escape 171 ft CR-V 192 ft
Unfortunately MT does not have all of their test data online like they do in their paper version. I'll see if I can dig those up for you again sometime.
*edit*
icvic,
Post 1345 of this thread will be of some interest to you if you want some numbers.
Contrary to what you'll be told by the dashboard markings, your Ford Outfitter salesperson, and even Ford's press materials, the Escape's Control Trac II system does not offer fully locked four-wheel drive. Rather, this on-demand all-wheel-drive setup only sends power to the rear axle when the front wheels slip.
Braking from 60mph -
Escape 130 feet
CR-V 135 feet
60-0 stopping
Escape Its ABS-assisted 10.9-in. front discs and 9.0-in. rear drums ground the Escape to a panic stop from 60 mph in 132 feet.
CR-V is the only one of the trio equipped with discs at all four corners (11.1 in. front and rear), it took the longest distance to stop: 133 ft. The ABS was busy, but provided consistent, linear stopping without a fuss.
Acceleration
With its best-in-test power rating, we expected the Ford to rule the acceleration tests. That wasn't the case, however, as it posted a second-best 8.5-sec run to 60 and a 16.3 at 85.4-mph pass in the quarter mile.
CR-V From a standstill, 60 mph came in a scant 8.1 sec and the quarter mile passed in 16.1 sec at 85.2 mph. Who says a four-banger can't keep up with bigger boys?
And the best part is, the Escape won this comparo test/review! Hmmmmm...I wonder who spends more money on advertising in M/T? ; )
Seems to me like there isn't much more for you to say.
(See, I do have CRV and Escape in my posting.)
Today where I am it is -28c and -38c windchill! Don't know what that is in F degrees but I will say COLD! I am used to this however as we have been snowmobiling since the first week of December. Some of you are very lucky!
What do you mean by linear stopping?
tidester, host
Linear means line so, I guess it means the CR-V's ABS kept the stop controlled and straight, in a line.
That's my interpretation, couldn't tell you for sure. You'd have to ask M/T.
Does anyone know? I am curious.
tidester, host
I would think that the plot would not be linear though, more like a curve, b/c as the car slows down, the brakes heat up and doesn't that inhibit the braking force?
"Seems to me like there isn't much more for you to say."
I'm not sure what you mean by that. I gave you numbers that differ from CR's and you picked out those that best favored the CR-V again.
The only category that the CR-V is consistently ahead in is 0-60. That's when a 5 speed is used for the test which is not available in the V6 Escape, so we aren't exactly comparing apples to apples here. But we can't, so the CR-V does have an advantage in that it can be had with a 5 speed too.
I was going to post those Truck Trend numbers again, but they too have been discussed to death on this thread. We must have spent about a month arguing over those.
By the way, the comparison that is on Truck Trend's site actually appeared in print in MT. The CR-V in that test was a 5 speed.
"this on-demand all-wheel-drive setup only sends power to the rear axle when the front wheels slip."
You forgot the rest:
"That way, there is never any crabbing or binding in tight turns, and there's no need for a center differential."
From Truck Trend:
"Unlike the rest of the trio, the Escape's system is lockable, providing a 4x4 high mode for light off-roading."
Crabbing and binding will occur if "ON" is used on dry pavement. Owners are warned of this on the driver's side visor, and in the manual. Why? Because all four wheels are locked together.
There is no clutch which means that the axles are not mechanically locked. All four wheels are getting power in the "ON" mode. How much the power split actually is has been debated here and on other Escape boards quite extensively. Ford says 50/50 on their web site and in the Escape brochure, but articles like C&D's appear every now and then saying that the ratio is slightly less until the front wheels slip.
To recap:
4X4 Auto mode = 100% power to the front until slippage occurs. Same as in the CR-V.
4X4 ON mode = Partial power to the front (whether it be 50% or 80%) and partial to the rear. If it is not 50%, the rest will be sent to the rear upon slippage.
However, slippage is not noticeable at all in "ON" mode.
hondaman,
Snow tires will decrease stopping distance. You got me there. I was only thinking of handling and getting started.
-38C is about 36F, and -28C is about -18F. That is cold. We're going down to about 0 tonight with a wind chill of -15F. It's about 13 and cloudy with scattered snow flurries right now. It's been like this for nearly two weeks now. I don't know how you guys do it for longer periods of time. I'd much rather have a nice balmy 28F with 12 inches of snow.
Here's what Ford lists as the Escape's advantages -
Engine
3.0 L V-6
2.4 L I-4
Horsepower
201 hp
160 hp
Transmission Cause the CR-V can't be had with an auto?
4 speed automatic
5 speed manual
Leather upholstery Not a leather guy. Would like heated seats though.
Package
Not Available
Retained accessory power This would be nice to have.
Standard
Not Available
Ashtray In case I want to take up smoking?
Standard
Optional
Lighter element(s) Again, why would I want it?
Standard
Optional
Seats
Power driver seat
Standard
Not Available
Height adjustable driver seat
Power
Manual
Driver fore/aft adjustment
Power
Manual
Driver cushion tilt
Power
Manual
Front center armrest
Standard
Not Available Mine has one on each front seat!
Storage
Full floor console
Standard
Not Available I'm glad it doesn't have one!
Exterior Features
Roof rack
Standard
Not Available Actually, it is avaliable.
Rocker panel extensions
Standard
Not Available
Front fog/driving lights
Standard
Optional
Variable intermittent wipers I do wish they were!
Standard
Not Available
Front tires
235/70TR16.0
205/70SR15.0
Rear tires
235/70TR16.0
205/70SR15.0
Engine litersLook Ma! I drink more fuel!
3.0 L
2.4 L
Cylinder configuration
V-6
I-4
Horsepower
201 hp @ 5900 RPM
160 hp @ 6000 RPM
Torque
196 ft.lbs @ 4700 RPM
162 ft.lbs @ 3600 RPM
Engine oil coolerWhy? Towing? Look my oil is cool too!
Package
Not Available
Alternator amps We're really diggin now.
110
90
Battery amp hours That's a biggie.
60 Ah
47 Ah
Automatic transmission Please see price difference.
Standard
Optional
$800
Security system
Standard
Optional
Exterior Dimensions
Front track (")
61.0
60.4
Interior Dimensions
Legroom (front, ")
41.6
41.3
Headroom (front, ")
40.4
38.9
Headroom (rear, ")
39.2
39.1
Fuel tank capacity You'll need it
16 gal.
15 gal.
Max trailer wt (properly equipped) (lbs.)
3,500
1,500
Engine displacement (cu.in.) A phallic thing? "Mine's bigger than your's?
181
144
Engine horsepower (hp @ RPM)
201 @ 5900
160 @ 6000
Engine torque (ft. lbs. @ RPM)
196 @ 4700
162 @ 3600
Destination Charge is $130 less.
ALG Residual Value after 36 months is 12% greater.
ALG Residual Value after 60 months is 12% greater.
CR-V 4WD EX gets 3 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in City Driving.
CR-V 4WD EX gets 2 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in Highway Driving.
CR-V 4WD EX features Rear Disc Brakes.
Stereo Anti-Theft is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Air Filtration is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Power Sunroof/Moonroof is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Remote Trunk/Tailgate Release is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Remote Fuel Filler Door Release is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Maintenance Interval Indicator is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Cassette Player is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Splash Guards are Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
CR-V 4WD EX has 111 less pounds of Curb Weight for Automatic Transmission.
CR-V 4WD EX has 5.6 more inches in Length.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.1 more inches in Width.
CR-V 4WD EX has 2.9 less inches in Height.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.3 more inches of Ground Clearance.
CR-V 4WD EX has 5.9 more cubic feet of Manufacturer's Passenger
Volume.
CR-V 4WD EX has 7.2 more cubic feet of Maximum Cargo Volume.
CR-V 4WD EX has 3.0 inches more of Second-Row Legroom.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.6 inches more of Front Shoulder Room.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.6 inches more of Second-Row Shoulder Room.
CR-V 4WD EX has 1.1 inches more of Front Hiproom.
CR-V 4WD EX has 4.5 inches more of Second-Row Hiproom.
But alas, the CR-V doesn't have cool oil! LOL
icvci: Front Splash guards weren't stock on my 02' EX, they may be on the 03's. (I almost didn't buy the vehicle because of it......lol)
Base Price MSRP is $2,425 less. Add auto tranny, roof rack, larger wheels/tires (not optional though) body cladding, two more cylinders, fog lamps, etc. and that difference goes away.
Destination Charge is $130 less. Get's waived by the dealer any way.
ALG Residual Value after 36 months is 12% greater. Don't care.
ALG Residual Value after 60 months is 12% greater. Don't care.
CR-V 4WD EX gets 3 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in City Driving. Escape's larger tank evens this out.
CR-V 4WD EX gets 2 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in Highway Driving. See above.
CR-V 4WD EX features Rear Disc Brakes.
Stereo Anti-Theft is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
A lot of good those rear discs do. Stereo alarm? Who would steal an OEM stereo from a CR-V?
Air Filtration is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
This I would have liked to have.
Power Sunroof/Moonroof is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
It is standard on other trims, and it has a larger opening than the CR-V's.
Remote Trunk/Tailgate Release is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Tailgate unlocks with the rest of the doors. Not necessary.
Remote Fuel Filler Door Release is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Maintenance Interval Indicator is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
We have one of these in our Civic. It's pretty much a joke because you reset it with the ignition key, and the service folks at our dealer always forget to do it anyway.
Cassette Player is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
6 disc in-dash CD player is standard instead. You can have the dealer change it to a single CD with cassette at no extra charge though. I always thought that was kind of odd.
Splash Guards are Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
CR-V 4WD EX has 111 less pounds of Curb Weight for Automatic Transmission.
I thought it was more than that?
CR-V 4WD EX has 5.6 more inches in Length.
Extra leg room and cargo room are good, but I think this length (How does it go? Mine's bigger than yours I think you said.) is because of the spare on the CR-V.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.1 more inches in Width.
CR-V 4WD EX has 2.9 less inches in Height.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.3 more inches of Ground Clearance.
Not if the Escape is wearing the 16 inch wheel/tire package.
CR-V 4WD EX has 5.9 more cubic feet of Manufacturer's Passenger
Volume.
See above.
CR-V 4WD EX has 7.2 more cubic feet of Maximum Cargo Volume.
I do like how you can vary the cargo volume while still fitting someone in the back seat.
CR-V 4WD EX has 3.0 inches more of Second-Row Legroom.
Again, depending on what position the rear bench is in. Still a good thing though.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.6 inches more of Front Shoulder Room.
A thick sweater will eat that alive!
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.6 inches more of Second-Row Shoulder Room.
See above.
CR-V 4WD EX has 1.1 inches more of Front Hiproom.
CR-V 4WD EX has 4.5 inches more of Second-Row Hiproom.
This is a good thing. Especially if your family doesn't consist of super models.
I don't get why rear splash guards are standard but front are an option. Seems silly to me.
I'll tell you one thing I LOVE about Honda vehicles in general. The wiper fluid resivoir holds and entire gallon. None of that 1/2 a gallon fill it up over and over again crap.
I would think that the plot would not be linear though, more like a curve, b/c as the car slows down, the brakes heat up and doesn't that inhibit the braking force?
Good point! I don't know how big a factor it would be but I came across this.
tidester, host
I'm actually putting a question on my next Physics test which is loosely related to this. It has to do with cheap brake materials used on a certain Serbo-Croatian car that resulted in the brakes melting after very short braking distances. Its mostly for a few laughs while the kids solve the problem.
tidester, host
I don't think our Civic holds a gallon of washer fluid, but that is a nice little touch if the newer one's do.
I like to use the rear wiper (what can I say it's a new toy) and the fluid goes a lot faster when I do. I don't think the Escape holds a full gallon which makes me a little jealous.
My wife and I were really wishing we had a 2003 Escape with the new optional heated seats this morning. That leather get's mighty cold. Even if it is parked in a garage (detached = no heat).
I don't think the CR-V has these but one thing I really like about the Civic is the way you choose which vents will blow air with buttons. You can direct A/C from any vent or combination of vents that the buttons offer. Ford only lets you blow A/C out of the dash vents but heat can be directed anywhere. Sometimes I like to have the A/C blow on my feet. No, it's not a fetish either.
One problem with this system, at least in our Civic, is that air is always blowing through the end dash vents no matter what setting you are using, and you have to manually close them off to stop it.
Increasing the tanks capacity doesn't off-set better fuel economy. (I know you know that.) The money you save over the life of the vehicle on gas (and the live's you save over time with better emissions) is worth alot to me.
We'll see on the air filtration thing. If it cuts down on dust I'll be happy. I'm thinking it's gimmick.
I know what you mean on those side vents, I wear contacts and that air drys them out in a hurry. Have to leave the vent open a little for some air but, they get annoying.
I like the cold feet thing too. Sometimes it's just nice to have cold air everywhere.
My 2000 Civic holds a gallon and the V does too.
Took the V in yesterday for the HVAC fan shutting off for no apparent reason. They had to replace the fan. Brought the car in at 7:30am told them I needed it back by noon and they called me at 12:03 to tell me it was done. Not bad for warranty work.
My Dad's Sable has one and the air from the vents does seem fresher.
A lot of people claim that it removes exhaust smell (from the vehicle in front of you) from the air too. The odor is a gas and if the filter didn't let gases through, no air would get through either. I think they just had the A/C on recirc mode.
"The tailgate release thing is for the glass."
I just don't see any benefit in that because you still have to raise your arm to lift the glass up so you can put whatever you are holding into the cargo bay. If it were one of those power thingies like the Caravan's rear hatch, I'd be more interested. I use the glass partition a lot on the Escape. My wife does not because she is shorter.
My sister-in-law complains of getting wet all the time from the spare on their 2001 CR-V when she tries to load cargo through the rear glass. She's not very tall either, but I can see it being a problem for those that are more vertically challenged than I.
Hold down the button on the key fob for 1-2 seconds and it unlocks
Use the key in the door.
Pull lever.
If your keys are inside the house, you may want to open the glass with the lever. Or, if the vehicle is running and someone wants to put something in the back, you may want to pull the lever. I don't know, it's no big deal one way or the other. If it wasn't there, I'd probably want it.
To open the glass on the 2001 (I think) you have to swing the spare out of the way? It was a big complaint with testers. 2002 and later, the glass is shaped so it goes over the spare.
Rant for the day:
I wish every vehicle had an accurate gauge on the fuel tank so you knew with out a doubt how much you had. Seems like it's 2003 and every vehicle should have a digital read-out with this info.
This is pretty standard procedure for all Ford SUV's.
"Seems like it's 2003 and every vehicle should have a digital read-out with this info."
My Dad had an 87 Taurus with the full digital dash that had a "Miles to Empty" and "Gallons Remaining" readout for fuel. They were more accurate, but still not perfect.
Destination Charge is $130 less. iN WHAT REGION, ONCE AGAIN NO ADVANTAGE HERE
ALG Residual Value after 36 months is 12% greater. aCCORDING TO WHOM? CRV'S ARE A DIME A DOZEN HERE
ALG Residual Value after 60 months is 12% greater. ACCORDING WOT WHOM?
CR-V 4WD EX gets 3 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in City Driving. WOW!@ 3MPG... PLENTY OF GAS STATIONS AROUND..
CR-V 4WD EX gets 2 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in Highway Driving. OOOH.. 2MORE MPG.... PLENTY OF GAS STATIONS AROUND AND BESIDES I ALSO HAVE 40HP/ AND 40FT/LBS OF TORQUE MORE!
CR-V 4WD EX features Rear Disc Brakes.
Stereo Anti-Theft is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
THE ESCAPE LIMITED CAN BE HAD IN MY REGION FOR ABOUT $200 MORE THAN A CRV EX AND HAS MORE OPTIONS..
Air Filtration is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Power Sunroof/Moonroof is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Remote Trunk/Tailgate Release is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Remote Fuel Filler Door Release is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Maintenance Interval Indicator is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Not Available on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B. THIS IS HOW HONDA MAKES $$$
Cassette Player is Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B.
Splash Guards are Standard on CR-V 4WD EX but Optional on Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B. SPLASH GUARDS... TOOK ME ABOUT 20MIN TO PUT MY 4 ON AND WERE ABOUT 50 DOLLARS..
CR-V 4WD EX has 111 less pounds of Curb Weight for Automatic Transmission.
CR-V 4WD EX has 5.6 more inches in Length.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.1 more inches in Width.
CR-V 4WD EX has 2.9 less inches in Height.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.3 more inches of Ground Clearance. PER WHOM?? THIS IS INCORRECT. ESCAPE XLT WITH 16" WHEELS HAS MORE GROUND CLEARANCE..
CR-V 4WD EX has 5.9 more cubic feet of Manufacturer's Passenger
Volume.
CR-V 4WD EX has 7.2 more cubic feet of Maximum Cargo Volume. FORGOT TO MENTION... WITH THE SEAT PUSHED UP...SO NOONE CAN SIT IN THE REAR TWO SEATS....
CR-V 4WD EX has 3.0 inches more of Second-Row Legroom.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.6 inches more of Front Shoulder Room.
CR-V 4WD EX has 0.6 inches more of Second-Row Shoulder Room.
CR-V 4WD EX has 1.1 inches more of Front Hiproom.
CR-V 4WD EX has 4.5 inches more of Second-Row Hiproom.
But alas, the CR-V doesn't have cool oil! LOL
I WOULD BET YOU MEAN AN OIL COOLER.. SOMTHING YOU WOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT... YOU CAN'T TOW 3,500LBS!
And how about "WOW!@"?
CR-V 4WD EX gets 3 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in City Driving. WOW!@ 3MPG... PLENTY OF GAS STATIONS AROUND..
CR-V 4WD EX gets 2 more mpg than Escape XLT 4X4 Popular 2 - 400B in Highway Driving. OOOH.. 2MORE MPG.... PLENTY OF GAS STATIONS AROUND AND BESIDES I ALSO HAVE 40HP/ AND 40FT/LBS OF TORQUE MORE!
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Scape2, I know you like your escape's bigger gas tank, and there're plenty of gas stations in your area. But that doesn't make your escape more fuel efficient (that's the point by the person posted the original posting). From the numbers, CRV is a bit better in this category, you can say you don't care about it or you'd pay the extra for more power that you don't constantly need/feel, but that's not what you said. A lot others do care about the additional mileage you can get from the same amount of gas (not from more gas).
BTW, if used CRVs are a dime a dozen in your area (I know this was relatively speaking, but even if you meant used CRVs are cheaper than used Escapes), I'd really like to know where that is. You can make your postings as funny as they can be, but I take these postings seriously (informative wise, at least).
FORD: INCENTIVES ARE HURTING
A senior Ford executive tells Reuters that the cost of the latest vehicle incentives is reaching a terminal point. Lloyd Hansen, Ford’s VP of revenue management, insists his company will not give up the market-share push to General Motors, now the incentive champ for a year running. Hansen does see a point where cutting production is better for the company’s balance sheet than adding more cash on the hood: "We're finding out that our (revenue) model is screaming at us to avoid taking incentives up further, and when the market starts to soften, let the production go down a little bit," he told the news service. “[But] am I willing to give up market share to make money in the short term? The answer is no," he said. Ford is targeting no net change in pricing for the first half of the year, Reuters adds, but has no new models coming during that period to help preserve current pricing.
Ford Loses $980 Million in 2002 by Joseph Szczesny (1/21/2003)
What's so interesting about that article?
That it doesn't tell the whole story of their financials is what I find interesting.
http://www.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?story- - ID=2080462&ric=F&infotype=news&compname=FORD+MOTOR+CO
They lost a billion dollars last year, but that's a four billion dollar improvement from the year before. Rome wasn't built in a day...
It says according to Honda. You'd save us all time (and yourself) if you read the posts before you replied.
Ground clearance on the CR-V is greater than that of the Escape WITH the 16" wheel/tires per BOTH Honda's site AND Ford's site. Again, a little research BEFORE you post goes a long way.
No one forgot to mention capacity in the CR-V is greater with the seat pushed up. It says MAXIMUM volume. READ.
I did mean oil cooler. I did SAY oil cooler. READ.
The CR-V is cheaper than it's Ford counter-part per BOTH Honda's site AND Ford's site. They don't argue about it, yet you do?